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Obama's Worst Enemies: Clyburn Still Stirring The Pot

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Democratic National Convention 2008
Posted on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:35:10 PM EST
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The disgraceful Jim Clyburn, can't keep his mouth shut:

Q: During the primary, you suggested that Bill and Hillary's relationship with the black Democratic base had been irreparably damaged. Do you still believe that?

CLYBURN: I simply said that I thought that things were being said and done that could very well make the nomination of our party not worth having. I was around when the Willy Horton ads literally annihilated our candidate for president. That [sort of attack] didn't start out with Republicans; that started out in the Democratic primaries. Right now, we see the McCain campaign doing things that seem to be taken out of the Democratic primary. We see a tightening in this race. And we have nobody and nothing to blame except things that happened in the primary.

Clyburn is simply a liar. By the way, he now falsely smears Al Gore with the Willie Horton lie invented by Republicans in 2000. Do us all a favor Clyburn, STFU.

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    thanks, BTD (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by Eleanor A on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:38:14 PM EST
    If Obama wants Hillary voters, he'd do himself some good by loudly and unequivocally denouncing this kind of talk.

    Clyburn (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by litigatormom on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:52:33 PM EST
     Someone needs to send him this.

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    Obama could have used public apologies ... (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by RonK Seattle on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:24:04 PM EST
    ... from the podium by Clyburn, JJ Jr, Shirley Franklin, etc., but this game is being played by the rules of the New Sportsmanship -- it's not whether you win or lose, it's how much trash talk you give your opponent after time runs out.

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    He never has (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Roz on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:10:23 PM EST
    and never will. Unless and until he has to. Then he'll give the greatest speech evah. Again.

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    Disgusted all over again (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by christinep on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:38:53 PM EST
    What the heck is really wrong with Rep. Clyburn?  What is the point of harking back to the primary in this regard? Is he trying to humiliate the Clintons further as he earlier did? His race "bait and switch" tactic may have been a successful play in the demographics of the primary, but how does this grousing work here? (Is he really looking at his neighboring North Carolina to maximize the number of Black voters in that potentially competitive state? Or Georgia? Playing the card again in the General?) I agree that this tactic--whatever it is--could have other electoral effects. For me, I'm still emotionally spent (in a kind of absorbing a wonderful speech and atmosphere and whole process way) from having the privilege of being in the Pepsi Center for yesterdays session and Hillary's speech. Tomorrow, my husband & I have good seats (courtesy of the party--with which we have been involved for 40 years) at Invesco for Obama's speech, etc. To tell you the truth, we are "neither here nor there" about going. We just want to listen with an open mind and force a better attitude on our loyal Democratic part. Now, I read you Rep. Clyburn quip...and, I want to turn around and go for a long walk. And, what is really interesting here, is trying to decipher the basis of his most insulting comments again toward Clinton. Yep, I'm disgusted all over again.

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    Put a muzzle on him at least (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:42:03 PM EST
    I still think you should vote for Obama.

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    Perhaps you should write an (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:46:12 PM EST
    anonymous open letter?

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    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:47:48 PM EST


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    I know you do. (5.00 / 5) (#20)
    by Eleanor A on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:49:26 PM EST
    And I understand and respect your POV.  But I just...can't.  Hillary can't stand up for herself and continue to speak out against what happened to her.  Her supporters can.

    It breaks my heart to see this Party rent clean asunder by this issue.  But someone really?  Really.  Should have thought about this before letting the Brazile faction take over the national organization, and before thoroughly disrespecting President Clinton and his accomplishments (and before disrespecting those of us in the South who are ALL that are standing between the most horrible Republicans you can imagine and actual, real racist actions like bringing back poll taxes & etc.)

    If it makes any difference, it doesn't matter who I vote for, since I live in a state that'll go McCain by double digits.  Next week I'm gonna leave for Kentucky to help Steve Lunsford beat Mitch McConnell.  I'm also going to start going door to door for my local House candidate.

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    It's pretty odd. (none / 0) (#51)
    by Salo on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:37:31 PM EST
    Gore was simply warning the party that Dukakis would be flayed alive as an soft on crime kinda guy.

    Those attack Ads did originate with GOP oppo and standard GOP tactics against Democratic Governors. Dukakis was the wrong freaking man for nomination in 1988, and Gore was the right one.

    Clyburn tells us all we need to know really.  he's letting on more than he thionks about how crapilly Obama will do in Nov.

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    I know (none / 0) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:16:38 PM EST
    you think that but do you really want to be subjected to this kind of stuff everytime someone goes against Obama? This is why sometimes winning isn't really winning in the end.

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    That's the thing. Legiitimizing this (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:42:38 PM EST
    racist (yes, Clyburn, et al., are the ones yelling "white boy!" at Bill Clinton, over and over) behavior is probably the main reason I just can't bring myself to vote for the Dem nominee this time.

    Of course, there are so many, many more reasons with all that we have witnessed this time.

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    Obama accrued the benefit of Clyburn's words (5.00 / 6) (#2)
    by myiq2xu on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:40:20 PM EST
    It's too late to wash off the stain

    With friends like these (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Redshoes on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:41:09 PM EST
    but we're all giving Obama a pass -- I think he's his own worst enemy.   He just had a Republican nominate him, jeeze, a little respect for the folks who brung' to the party.

    Yeah...just saw that (5.00 / 0) (#8)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:42:33 PM EST
    Dolores Huerta/vs. a Republican.  Oyyyeee

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    Top Ten Most Odious Democrats (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Desired User Name on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:41:42 PM EST
    um, should we all make a list of our top ten DEMS who crossed the line? (seriously)

    Clyburn probably being on all of ours lists, even the "short list".

    I called his office far too many times and wrote far too many emails for he wasn't paying attention to any of it. I felt sorry for his assistants!! hehe

    Top of the list (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:42:26 PM EST


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    CLYBURN #1 Most Odious DEM (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Desired User Name on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:51:02 PM EST
    Yep. Clyburn not only crossed the line, he erased it!

    Last time I called his office the assistant said something to the effect of:  "I have to put you on hold, but I know the next caller will be saying the same thing. So maybe a conference call would be best."

    I nearly fell of my chair!

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    Is Mark Penn a Dem? (none / 0) (#32)
    by bjorn on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:57:45 PM EST
    he should be on the list too, just to be fair!

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    did you see Begala the other night (5.00 / 0) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:07:57 PM EST
    with this funny comment:

    "if it wasnt for Mark Penn Hillary would not be where she is today.  she would be the nominee."

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    Strategic Blunders sure (none / 0) (#43)
    by Edgar08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:13:53 PM EST
    But I'd like to know what Penn has said that compares to the kinds of things Clyburn says.


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    none (none / 0) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:16:34 PM EST
    I have never seen the guy speak in public actually.  I just thought it was funny.

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    he's chubby and pasty (none / 0) (#46)
    by Edgar08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:20:53 PM EST
    an easy target for ridicule.


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    Chubby and Pasty (none / 0) (#49)
    by Desired User Name on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:27:40 PM EST
    Sounds like you got yourself the makings of cool new show for the Cartoon Network! Loving it.

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    Number Two (5.00 / 4) (#23)
    by Dr Molly on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:52:24 PM EST
    Jesse Jackson Jr.

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    no kidding (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:54:00 PM EST
    does Roland Martin count as a democrat.
    he is definitely on my $hit list.


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    not sure (5.00 / 0) (#30)
    by Dr Molly on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:57:00 PM EST
    but he's on my list too. ministry of disinformation.

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    Roland Martin is ON THE LIST (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Desired User Name on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:57:11 PM EST
    for me too! Ya know what, I have to admit that I may need to CHEAT and have 12 people instead of a Top Ten! But I'd TRULY love to see everyone's top ten although I know it'd probably make me CRY!

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    Number 1 (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by christinep on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:54:34 PM EST
    Actually, with the unprovoked "Katrina--tears" remark that Jesse Jackson Jr. made the day after NH, he may well qualify for Number 1 on the list of infamy during the primary and beyond.

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    Along with Jesse Jr., (5.00 / 4) (#39)
    by oldpro on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:08:20 PM EST
    Howard Dean, Bill Richardson and the pathetic campaign chair of Al Gore's sad 2000 campaign.

    Keeping the list diverse and non-racial.

    Plenty of disgust to go around...

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    More (none / 0) (#80)
    by Jane in CA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:12:17 PM EST
    Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Donna Brazile ...

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    right up there with Dick Cheney (none / 0) (#14)
    by bjorn on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:47:36 PM EST


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    Huh? (none / 0) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:48:10 PM EST


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    only listing my top Republican (none / 0) (#21)
    by bjorn on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:50:20 PM EST
    sorry about that ...

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    Most odious former Dem (5.00 / 0) (#35)
    by litigatormom on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:02:42 PM EST
    Joe Liebertoad.

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    The guy is a nightmare. (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:43:08 PM EST
    He's been doing the rounds all day stirring the pot.

    hes right about one thing (5.00 / 4) (#10)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:43:30 PM EST
    "I simply said that I thought that things were being said and done that could very well make the nomination of our party not worth having."

    Obama and his minions said and did them and now the nomination is not worth having.

    I'm almost willing to wager that Obama ... (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Salo on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:43:35 PM EST
    ...will definitely lose.

    Here's why. Clyburn is inadvertly admitting/suggesting that Obama is a  Dukakis 2.0.  

    Dukakis was simply the wrong man for the nomination.  Obama will probably blow it big time in the debates against McCain.  There will be a gotcha moment and he'll colapse.  We have never seen him get cross examined by the moderators anchors or other candidates. I think Obama will bomb in the debates at some point and make a complete fool of himself and his party.

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    If Obama fails to do something about Clyburn (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Edgar08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:46:13 PM EST
    And then enough people don't vote for Obama and he loses, then it's Obama's fault if McCain enacts policies that destroy lives.

    If I understand all the logic I've been hearing lately.

    It is not my job to ignore what Clyburn says and then keep my mouth shut and vote for Obama.

    It is Obama's job to make Clyburn go home and enjoy the rest of the proceedings from the sidelines.

    That's my view (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:47:31 PM EST
    Put a muzzle on Clyburn, Obama.

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    Clyburn (none / 0) (#68)
    by Kate Stone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:50:44 PM EST
    Obama let the dog out and now he can't muzzle him.  Clyburn is an old "race man."  Compare him to someone like Deval Patrick who governs for everyone.  Big difference.  Unfortunately, Barack let this guy run his mouth and there is no stopping him now.

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    Hmmmm (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by Desired User Name on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:55:16 PM EST
    Maybe we are being too harsh. Maybe Clyburn is just another one of those "Crazy Old Uncles."

    Maybe Eugene Robinson and Keith Olbermann are crazy old uncles too and basically what we have here is some surreal form of nepotism going on?

    I demand transparency so I want to see Obama's Family Tree, cuz' he's got far too many uncles...

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    great idea (none / 0) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:48:54 PM EST
    but for some reason I dont see it happening.

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    Thanks for the Gore cite (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by MKS on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:47:55 PM EST
    I had always assumed it did originate in its full blown racial incantation with Gore.  Another bum rap for Gore.

    Clyburn's answer should have been:  No, Bill is as strong advocate for racial equality as there ever has been....

    Easy. Simple.  Perhaps a little evasive....but no need to re-hash.

    Frankly (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:53:18 PM EST
    He needs to be OFF the stage. I do not want to see him.

    I tell you no one pisses me off more.

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    Mccain has been runnning refugee Democratic ads (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Salo on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:34:33 PM EST
    It's pretty clever stuff.

    "PO'ed about the Democratic primary? Come petition John McCain and he'll listen to what you have to say."

    I saw one on TV last night.  Obama stands a good chance of losing now in my opinion.

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    I printed out that article (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Xanthe on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:07:06 PM EST
    and I will keep it around.  Too often, I hear stuff like Gore/Horton and because I don't have the sharp facts - am fuzzy about it really - I say nothing.  Yes, thank you BTD.  

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    He was on FOX this morning spouting this sh!t. (5.00 / 0) (#18)
    by Angel on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:48:38 PM EST
    Saw it while I was at the gym.  Boy is he a piece of work.  Somebody needs to tell him to STFU.  Pronto.

    if Obama allows people (5.00 / 5) (#25)
    by ccpup on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:53:09 PM EST
    like Clyburn and Jesse Jackson Jr. to openly advocate for him in the most heinous, unnecessarily divisive ways, what does this say about his Cabinet or the people he appoints to the various Departments?

    Will he have a President Obama who's unable to keep his staff on-message?  A staff which offends and angers large chunks of the American People with each Press Conference and speech?

    If he can't first recognize and then stop people like Clyburn now, how can we believe he'll do it as President when it really, REALLY matters?

    No better way to lose the House and Senate in the Midterms than by having the President (via his Surrogates) offending more Americans than not and finding themselves forever on defense, unable to get any work done.

    Now THAT'S Big Picture thinking!

    They ARE on message!! (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by BernieO on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:46:44 PM EST
    Don't forget the campaign compiled a long list of all the things they could find that were said by the Clintons and their supporters that could be construed as racist. They were going out of their way to find something. They then proceeded to distort statements and took it to the media who suffer from severe CDS so were willing to play along and gin up faux scandals.
    Obama admitted this to Tim Russert in one debate but he has gotten a pass. He and Axelrod knew this was happening - it was a deliberate strategy for them. They desperately want to disappear Bill Clinton's successful record and tarnish both Clintons so they can take control of the party and implement their "western strategy" which will allow them to pander to the "knowledge workers" and ignore the poor and working class who are just not cool enough for them. (In case you missed it Ryan Lizza has an article about this strategy in the New Yorker. The last five paragraphs are a real eye opener.)

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    so, in effect, (5.00 / 4) (#57)
    by ccpup on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:55:30 PM EST
    on the eve of being formally nominated, the Obama Campaign (with the tacit approval of Obama himself) is still intent on "destroying" the Clintons.

    Perhaps at some point they can find time to start attacking McCain and the Republicans with the same myopic intensity and fervor?

    Let's just say I'm not holding my breath for it to  happen.

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    Cabinet (none / 0) (#70)
    by Kate Stone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:56:03 PM EST
    I have to believe that Obama will have surround himself with good people, smart people, people with no agenda except to make this a better place for everyone.  Mind you, I was not a supporter of BO but will vote for him nonetheless.  If he surrounds himself with people with JJ, Jr. then he is doomed and I will be the first on line to see to his downfall.

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    Why believe it (none / 0) (#74)
    by daria g on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:21:27 PM EST
    In the face of all evidence?  Serious question..

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    I think the question is, why is this man (5.00 / 7) (#26)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:53:13 PM EST
    still speaking for Barack Obama, and what does it tell us about Obama that he still has the microphone and is still spewing this garbage?

    The Obama campaign has been relentless in trying to tamp down any dissent from Hillary's supporters, has - reportedly - more or less strong-armed delegates into voting for him in the roll call, established what I could only term "goon squads" to make sure there was no "unseemly" behavior on the floor from the Clinton supporters/delegates - but this guy - Clyburn - is allowed to talk to the media whenever and wherever and perpetuate these smears?

    Okay.  I, once again, am getting a glimpse into the character of Barack Obama, and what I see, I do not like.

    There is no way on God's green earth anyone is going to convince me that Barack Obama isn't just fine with what Clyburn has been saying and continues to say.  

    Someone is going to have to explain to me why it was of vital importance that Hillary Clinton stand up and profess her allegiance to The Great One, while Jim Clyburn is allowed to continue to trash her.

    Obama personally can't/won't address Clyburn? (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Ellie on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:04:44 PM EST
    Someone is going to have to explain to me why it was of vital importance that Hillary Clinton stand up and profess her allegiance to The Great One, while Jim Clyburn is allowed to continue to trash her

    If Obama can't convince Clyburn to adopt a better tone, then Obama isn't prepared, qualified or fit to hold the office for which he's running.

    This is by his own parameters. Doesn't matter whether Sen. Clinton said he was qualified or not. OBAMA HIMSELF shows he's unqualified everytime one of his insiders behave as Clyburn is behaving in trashing their fellow Dems.

    Whether Clyburn, as an official Obama surrogate isn't listening to his own leader's message of Unity, or is doing the dirty work to maintain the illusion of Obama being "above the fray", both scenarios speak ill of Obama's character AND abilities to deliver even a glimmer of what he's been promising.

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    Running Down Democrats (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by BDB on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:00:08 PM EST
    what could be better for Obama or the Democratic Party?

    Maybe John McCain can make an (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by MichaelGale on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:00:53 PM EST
    ad starring Jim Clyburn.

    That should do it.

    Clyburn on Biden (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Katherine Graham Cracker on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:07:24 PM EST
    Clyburn said Biden is not a racist but will be helpful with people who are racially insensitive.

    great (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:09:13 PM EST
    he not a racist but racists will vote for him.
    I would call that a backhanded compliment.

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    Because nobody can be racially insensitive (none / 0) (#77)
    by Landulph on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:52:48 PM EST
    like Joe Biden! </snark>

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    Oh (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Steve M on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:10:29 PM EST
    Did you post this before I emailed you, BTD?  My bad.

    I think the true retelling of the Willie Horton issue raises a point that still has currency - it is fair game to bring up stuff in the primaries that the other party might attack you on!

    For example, Gore was basically saying "Dukakis agreed to this furlough program in MA that was pretty radical and would be easy for the GOP to demagogue in the general election."  Now, of course he didn't know the GOP would include gratuitous race-baiting when they ultimately made that attack (although race has always been the subtext of GOP arguments on the crime issue).

    But if we had it to do all over again, wouldn't some people say, "You know, I really don't want to get stuck defending that MA furlough program, let's see if a different candidate might be less vulnerable."  I think it's a fair point!  I bring it up because it has relevance to this year's primary as well as future primaries.

    Nope (none / 0) (#52)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:37:32 PM EST
    Because of your e-mail.

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    Or, at the very least, (none / 0) (#76)
    by Landulph on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:50:49 PM EST
    had Gore kept pressing Dukakis on the furlough issue, Da Duke might had developed a coherent answer to those criticism--which, as it became clear during the GE, he simply did not have. But your basic point is very well taken: there is nothing to be gained by putting out heads in the sand, because the GOP will use any ammo we can give them.

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    If Obama wins, Clyburn will be riding high (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by RonK Seattle on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:27:07 PM EST
    ... as Majority Whip.

    I don't see him uniting anybody, now or later.

    An Obama loss, however ... (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by RonK Seattle on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:04:47 PM EST


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    Agreed. The primaries are over. No idea what he (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by beachmom on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:37:43 PM EST
    is thinking.

    Winning is not enough. And (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:15:48 PM EST
    Hillary Clinton won last night,* despite Clyburn's desperate trashing before.  So he has to try it again.

    I think it was very unwise to do so on the very day that the Big Dawg is gonna get the Big Microphone.  He's also a Sly Dawg.  And he is rewriting a few lines right now, I betcha.  I'll be listening for them.  Kinda like Hillary picking the orange pantsuit.  So far, haven't seen any media picking up that signal. :-)  

    *She won the party and the people's hearts.  Obama, if he wins the White House, has to give up big rock-star rallies and beach vacations.

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    I think he just likes the attention (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by mmc9431 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:13:52 PM EST
    It isn't a case of Obama should muzzle him. It more to the point that he better muzzle him. Racial division will only help the Republican's. (Reagan proved that).

    Nice work (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Rashomon66 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:20:01 PM EST
    Digging up the Slate article on the genesis of the Horton ad. I always thought Gore had dredged this up - but alas not really.
    Unfortunately Gore still gets the blame for this. Just last night ABC News again blamed Gore for the Horton affair. At least the Wikipedia entry has the information correct.

    Saddest commentary on media yet (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:18:26 PM EST
    Sorry, had to say that.  Wikipedia is wonderful in many ways but can be so prone to error, open as it is.

    So when media are more prone to error and/or can't even lift a finger to click on Wikipedia to get a clue to check out -- these are not the hands in which to place the precious First Amendment.  And our futures.

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    Gore was just alluding to... (none / 0) (#65)
    by Salo on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:36:50 PM EST
    ...the soft underbelly of Dukakis, that he understood the GOP would use--and had been researching well before the Dem primaries.

    Gore was a very gracious third place finisher but he should have been the nominee that year.

    He'd have destroyed Bush Senior...

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    Why Why Why... (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by prez2008 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:55:17 PM EST
    Why won't anyone also comapare or simply mention the Punjab comment, BO's campaign's comments about Bhutto's assasination or, especially, the Obama SC memo...

    It's beyond me.  Fairytale get's flamed into a racist comment.  'Takes a president' comment gets ratcheted up into something dangerous.  The coverage of all this crap was really amazing, wasn't it?

    Kerry and Kennedy circle the wagons to protect Obama from the big bad Clintons.

    But while this happened, no one protected Hillary when MSNBC and CNN was fixated on her laugh, on what she wears, nutcrackers etc etc etc.  

    The only two-term President in some 40 years get's abused by his own party.  Republicans would take care of their previous presidents, yet... for the sake of building the New Democratic Party, we shat on those that got us here.

    Democrats should be proud of Democrats... and always show our appreciation.  That's unity.

    This isn't the party I know.

    I'm a REAL Democrat.

    I'm a Clinton Democrat.

    It's amazing (none / 0) (#3)
    by mrjerbub on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:40:49 PM EST
    How easy it is to be labeled a racist nowa days. I guess I'm just getting old.

    Democrats as Our Own Worst Enemies (none / 0) (#40)
    by zvs888 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:08:55 PM EST
    Clyburn just goes to show that as usual Democrats end up being their own worst enemies.  Honestly it'd be nice if we just let the candidates speak for themselves without empty postulation on all sides sniping at each other.  The level of residual hate for the Clintons and Obama astounds me every day.

    game theory (none / 0) (#44)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:15:10 PM EST
    working for a game company you get mail like this.
    this is about the "game theory" in the film The Dark Knight. but for some reason it seems strangely on topic and possibly something Clyburn and others should possibly be on guard for. WARNING may contain some small spoilers for the film:

    The robbery scene in The Dark Knight

    The original plan of equal division is flawed. Each robber has incentive to increase his share by killing a fellow team member. Once a member performs his job, he loses his negotiating power and value to the team.
    The Joker plays off this conflict by instructing the robbers to take out fellow teammates once their tasks are performed. The game would be different if the robbers were a group and they repeated crimes together--perhaps an even split could be sustainable. But as the movie hints right away with the first backstabbing scene, this robbery will be a one-shot game.
    Many of the robbers fail to see they can be victim to the same deceit they pull on others. The second robber on the rooftop is a prime example. After his partner disarms the silent alarm, he quickly kills him and then proceeds to perform his own job. He doesn't see the same thing could happen to him.

    This SF Chronicle cartoon says it best (none / 0) (#50)
    by Prabhata on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:37:04 PM EST
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    Correcting the link (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Prabhata on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:38:54 PM EST
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    Ha! (none / 0) (#62)
    by waldenpond on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:18:59 PM EST


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    Jim Clyburn has less honor... (none / 0) (#75)
    by AX10 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:28:21 PM EST
    than Saxby Chambliss.

    I will work to defeat Mr. Clyburn.
    I will work to defeat the current Democratic leadership.  They are as corrupt as Delay, Bush & Co.

    Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (none / 0) (#79)
    by OxyCon on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:35:55 PM EST
    I carries alot more wight when a blog like this tells Clymer where to STFU than if a commenter like me does it, and it is long overdue.

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