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By Jeralyn, Section Democratic National Convention 2008
Posted on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:14:26 PM EST
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watching now. On all but Biden, he rocked.

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    "Rocks" is an inadequate word (5.00 / 18) (#1)
    by litigatormom on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:19:06 PM EST
    He's a one man Woodstock.

    The speech is brilliant, and he is delivering it brilliantly.

    The two of them, Hillary and Bill, are brilliant, and brave.

    And now Bill is hitting the Republicans.

    They are (5.00 / 13) (#20)
    by Jjc2008 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:27:41 PM EST
    too bad the very dull Dean and very petulant Pelosi are so damned jealous they had to rig things to make sure the Clintons could not be important in the party.....
    but they failed...
    and I am laughing my arse off at these fools who refused to let got of their stupidity and their CDS.

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    Brilliant, brave and (5.00 / 11) (#56)
    by oldpro on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:38:28 PM EST
    generous.

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    Oh he sure does (5.00 / 8) (#2)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:20:05 PM EST
    As I said in the other thread, the critics might pan this. But who cares? The critics never get the Big Dog's speeches right.

    This is good.

    Bill's statement: (5.00 / 22) (#3)
    by theprosecutrix on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:20:07 PM EST
    The power of example v. the example of power.  

    Ohhh, the Big Dawg definitely sent a chill up my leg on that one. ;)

    These are the people (5.00 / 15) (#4)
    by echinopsia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:20:10 PM EST
    the "new" Democratic party wants to purge.

    Asinine.

    You mean the New New Democrats? (1.00 / 2) (#126)
    by jtaylorr on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:59:17 PM EST
    Because, if you'll remember, it was Bill Clinton along with the Democratic Leadership Committee, who became the flag-bearer for the "New Democrats" after 1988 as they pushed the Democratic Party to the right-of-center and, according to Wikipedia, repositioned the party to represent "more moderate social/cultural positions and neo-liberal fiscal values."
    This shift to the right was beautifully disguised as "Third Way" politics and has brought us NAFTA, deregulation, and welfare reform.
    And it didn't stop in the U.S.! Bill, the DLC, and the New Democrats are responsible for the death of Social Democracy in Great Britain! (see: Tony Blair, New Labour)
    The New Democrats are Bill Clinton's legacy. And unfortunately, I don't see them being "purged" any time soon.

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    And Obama taking the party (5.00 / 6) (#165)
    by echinopsia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:20:44 PM EST
    farther to the right - beyond any true Democratic/Clintonian idealogy to conservsative Republicanism - is supposed to be better?

    You should thank the gods for the Clintons in the Democratic party. They're the only successful brand we've had in 50 years. They know how to to do bipartisanship to achieve liberal goals without caving to Republicans. Obama does not.

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    Oh really? (none / 0) (#189)
    by jtaylorr on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:46:51 PM EST
    I never knew free trade, welfare reform and deregulation where liberal goals!

    I dislike Obama as much as I do Bill, but to say he is more conservative than Bill is ridiculous. Can you provide examples? On several issues (mandatory minimum sentences, don't ask don't tell) he's more progressive than Bill was.
    Remember, this was the president who put an embargo on Iraq that was responsible for, according to the UN, the deaths of 5,000 children a month and whose Secretary of State said that the price was worth it.

    Now that we've seen how disastrous conservative policies actually are we should be rejecting Clinton's neo-liberalism-lite. Unfortunately, Obama is only a small step left of the Clintons. It's ridiculous that our Democratic Party is farther to the right than European conservatives.

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    even krugman says welfare reform (5.00 / 1) (#202)
    by sancho on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:37:27 PM EST
    made it possible for democrats to win national elections again. in a democracy sometimes even the best intentions get the best results when you work with what it is possible. i didnt like welfare reform either, fwiw. and obama is almost certainly comfortably to the right of bill and hillary (the lefty, albeit pragmatic, person of the family).

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    Obama is to the right of Hillary.... (5.00 / 5) (#203)
    by sallywally on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:44:39 PM EST
    on nearly everything - health care, economics, FISA, etc., etc.

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    Pkease explain ... (5.00 / 2) (#210)
    by Inky on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:19:25 PM EST
    Unfortunately, Obama is only a small step left of the Clintons.

    Please give me just one issue where Obama is truly to the left of Hillary Clinton. I can give you several issues on which Hillary is to the left of Obama (UHC, NCLB, FISA, how to address the subprime mess, etc.). And yes, she is a bigger fan of regulations than Senator "Chicago School" Obama. And please don't give me crap about the Iraq war vote. I agree with you that the sanctions against Iraq were awful, but they were the byproduct of Gulf War I and imposed before Clinton came to office. Obama was a huge fan of GWI, and his differences with McCain on our FP are purely operational--he merely wants to more redirect our present troop capacity to Afghanistan than McCain does. I'm sure that's going to work out just great.

    If you feel the way you do about the Clintons, you sure as hell shouldn't vote for Obama.

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    Same crap. (none / 0) (#170)
    by chel2551 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:23:02 PM EST
    Different day.

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    I thought he was on later! (5.00 / 4) (#5)
    by chel2551 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:22:25 PM EST
    OMG.  He's good.

    Democrat's need him (5.00 / 8) (#7)
    by mmc9431 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:23:13 PM EST
    To not use him would be a disgrace. Who is better ae zeroing and and making a point that everyone can relate to?

    Too Short... (5.00 / 0) (#9)
    by Brillo on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:24:02 PM EST
    I can't believe he's only getting 10 or 15 minutes up there.  I hate that the networks are only covering this stuff for an hour.  The parties end up totally shortchanging the people who speak by trying to cram all the good speeches into an hour maybe an hour and a half.

    He'll take what he needs (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:24:40 PM EST
    He always did before.

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    Like I said earlier, they said 15 minutes (5.00 / 11) (#13)
    by DemForever on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:25:24 PM EST
    to keep him to 30

    He is doing an amazing job.  He is unparalleled.  

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    Already the (5.00 / 4) (#12)
    by Jjc2008 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:24:57 PM EST
    CDS sickos of the pundit class are getting ready to pound "How dare Clinton talk about the economy of his administration....bah humbug...how dare Clinton use the facts....."

    I can see it now.

    Bill is GREAT.

    Back to unity and hope..... (5.00 / 11) (#15)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:26:10 PM EST
    ...HA! He took back Hope. He is the master. They should have let him talk all night. Now let the bashing begin.

    That was brilliant. Taking Hope back ;-) (5.00 / 3) (#198)
    by bridget on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:16:31 PM EST
    I bet lots of the young Obamafans think Obama invented it ;-)

    The Man from Hope in action. Loved it. And so did Hillary :)

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    Bill rocks (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by janarchy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:26:31 PM EST
    Always did, always will. I won't spoil the moment by my feelings on the contents of his speech.

    Wow (5.00 / 9) (#17)
    by litigatormom on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:26:37 PM EST
    No  one can say he's not endorsing Obama the person.  He's saying the criticism of Obama's youth and inexperience are the criticisms he got in 1992.  He's saying Obama is ready to be president, to be commander in chief.

    And he's making the case, as Hillary did last night, for Democratic values.

    One man Woodstock. "If you believe that America is still a place called hope, join Hillary and me in electing Barack Obama president of the United States."

    I love Bill (5.00 / 8) (#45)
    by echinopsia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:34:59 PM EST
    He's saying what Hillary could not honestly say, in order to save her the agony.

    What a man. What a husband. I'd forgive him for cheating too.

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    That's exactly what I was thinking (5.00 / 5) (#69)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:41:32 PM EST
    To save her the humility and having to lie.

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    Yes (5.00 / 13) (#94)
    by litigatormom on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:48:49 PM EST
    That's exactly what he did.

    Did you see him last night, mouthing the words, "I love you, I love your forever" during her speech?

    So many cynics have said that theirs is an opportunistic, loveless marriage.  However badly Bill has behaved -- and he has -- with his womanizing, I've never had any doubt that he loves her, and she him.

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    The pundits and much of the (5.00 / 9) (#105)
    by Jjc2008 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:52:42 PM EST
    sanctimonious blogging left see the world in black and white, right and wrong, no gray areas.

    Adultery is not a good thing for any or a pleasant thing for the one cheated on.  But every person, I hope, is more than their sins, their weaknesses.

    Hillary knows Bill and still loves him, warts and all.  True love is not just because of, but also a lot of inspite of....
    I have always believed there was love between them...having hard times does not erase the love.

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    and that's the thing the CDSers (5.00 / 8) (#129)
    by echinopsia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:00:03 PM EST
    will never understand about their marriage. It is a true partnership and the best example of an egalitarian marriage I have ever seen. They are such a wonderful team. They know each other's strengths and weaknesses and not only allow for them but use them to their best advantage.

    I believe Hillary could have done what he did tonight - extol Obama personally and make the case that he is ready to be president (even though he's not).

    And even though Bill probably harbors more justified resentment against Obama for what he said about Bill in the primaries, Bill chose to take this bullet for her.  Because he loves her. And she let him, for the same reason.

    Greater love hath no man.

    (Sorry if this is maudlin; I've resorted to gin to soften the disappointment over what might have been)

    And it reminds me of the way his appearance in Hillary's intro video last night was labeled: Hillary's husband. Some people, believe it or not, thought that was disrespectful of a former president. I thought it was a wonderfully humorous way to identify him, and evidence of his devotion to her.

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    He could sell (5.00 / 12) (#18)
    by chel2551 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:26:46 PM EST
    ice to an Eskimo.

    Obama, you'd better grovel (in private, of course) and try to emulate him and his appeal to the people.

    Wow!! (5.00 / 5) (#19)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:27:14 PM EST
    "our humanity"...now them is words.

    Oh crud, they're putting John Kerry on next? (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:27:56 PM EST
    WTF would they do that?????

    Better him look bad... (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by Addison on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:29:44 PM EST
    ...than Biden, don't you think?

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    Poor John Kerry (5.00 / 9) (#28)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:29:56 PM EST
    It's like following The Who or Bon Jovi with Yanni.

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    Kerry (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by litigatormom on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:32:38 PM EST
    Oh. Time to do some laundry.

    Let's see if four years has taught Kerry how to do red meat.

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    I Thought Promoting John McCain (none / 0) (#97)
    by Faust on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:51:00 PM EST
    is not allowed on this site. I could be wrong.

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    Is that your prefered outcome? (none / 0) (#132)
    by Faust on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:00:59 PM EST


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    To give the pundits time to talk over him? (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:30:17 PM EST


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    It's a trifecta (5.00 / 4) (#44)
    by janarchy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:34:12 PM EST
    of boredom:

    Kerry
    Richardson
    Biden

    wake me up when it's November 5th

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    Seconded. (5.00 / 0) (#49)
    by theprosecutrix on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:35:34 PM EST


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    Kill. Me. Now. (5.00 / 0) (#53)
    by janarchy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:37:41 PM EST
    I actually put the sound on for a whole 60 seconds -- big mistake.

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    Wake ME up in 2012. n/t (5.00 / 4) (#50)
    by echinopsia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:35:58 PM EST


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    Do you think (5.00 / 0) (#55)
    by janarchy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:38:14 PM EST
    there will be a country left by then?

    Kerry is so boring that even he looks like he's in a coma.

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    Mmm. (none / 0) (#66)
    by theprosecutrix on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:41:07 PM EST
    An even better idea.  November 7, 2012, preferably.  

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    PBS was setting up for Richardson (none / 0) (#131)
    by LatinoVoter on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:00:30 PM EST
    by saying he suffered the rath of the Clintons then they said he wasn't speaking.

    Did he get the shaft? Could the stars have aligned on this night for Bill to be embraced by everyone there before a jealous Clyburn and have Richardson get the shaft?

    I hope there is a God. And I hope even more that Richardson got the shaft because Bill went over.

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    so that (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Democratic Cat on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:40:50 PM EST
    We could all take a bathroom break

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    It reminds me of (none / 0) (#82)
    by janarchy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:44:07 PM EST
    concerts where the band goes into a 20 minute guitar solo so you can do that.

    I tried to listen to Kerry but all I heard was "blah blah blah blah blah blaaaaaaaah".

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    To cool down the crowd for Joe Biden. n/t (none / 0) (#91)
    by Iphie on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:47:37 PM EST


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    Maddow will whine (5.00 / 5) (#22)
    by Jjc2008 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:28:49 PM EST
    about how Bill mentioned his own administration...and was not really focused on Obama.

    She can't handle the truth so she will spin to justify her nastiness for the last six months.

    We are so blessed to be able to hear one of the (5.00 / 8) (#24)
    by mogal on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:29:33 PM EST
    greatest of all times and he wrote it himself. I can't stop crying.

    Open up the Gate (5.00 / 5) (#25)
    by Trickster on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:29:39 PM EST
    And let the Big Dog hunt.

    He does. (5.00 / 4) (#26)
    by LatinoVoter on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:29:42 PM EST
    Clyburn on PBS still saying that some of what the Clintons said had more than one meaning but that he never had a problem with them.

    ugh.

    Clyburn has pushed me closer (5.00 / 5) (#85)
    by stxabuela on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:45:32 PM EST
    to voting for McCain than any other human being on the planet, bar NONE.  

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    The Clintons (5.00 / 9) (#29)
    by chel2551 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:30:09 PM EST
    are alive and well and are here to stay.

    Yay!!!!!

    Well, KO and Tweety (5.00 / 5) (#30)
    by litigatormom on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:30:16 PM EST
    got tingles up their legs too.

    And did you notice that Bill called McCain and the Republicans embrace extreme views about foreign policy?

    "Why would you reward the past eight years with four more?"

    Yup (5.00 / 4) (#34)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:31:46 PM EST
    Remember how he took down Newt Gingrich?

    When Democrats define Republicans as extreme (and Republicans are extreme), they win.

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    Facing down Gingrich and winning (5.00 / 4) (#78)
    by DFLer on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:43:31 PM EST
    is an example of righteous partisanship, goddammit!

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    "Eight years of cronyism and Katrina (5.00 / 3) (#88)
    by litigatormom on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:46:21 PM EST
    and torture ... the most unequality... favors for the well-off...." .

    Hopefully after the one-two punch of Hillary and Bill, they will have them out on the road making that pitch over and over between now and November.

    Tweety suggests sending Bill out with Obama to help Barack "with those white rural voters."  Um, I don't think so, Tweety. Because then someone will complain that Bill is hogging the spotlight.


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    Who cares what the critics say? (5.00 / 15) (#31)
    by zvs888 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:30:17 PM EST
    Bill Clinton was the best president we've had the past 3 decades and everyone knows it.

    Chuck Todd (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by chel2551 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:31:13 PM EST
    just called him the "Patriarch of the Democratic Party."

    heh heh heh.

    Chuck Todd is a fool. (5.00 / 17) (#43)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:33:57 PM EST
    They should pick a point of view and stick to it. He said just the opposite this morning. I can't believe how they do that with a straight face. It's not so much that Bill Clinton is a patriarch as that he just made all of them call him Daddy.

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    They could never (5.00 / 6) (#75)
    by chel2551 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:42:26 PM EST
    beat them, as hard as they tried.

    Two stronger people in politics I have not seen.

    They showed Michelle for just a few seconds there after the speech.  She looked pretty lonely, maybe a bit uneasy.

    Tough job being a First Lady.


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    I just turned that tool off and caught some of (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by Rhouse on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:47:11 PM EST
    James  Carville's comments of CNN.  He does love himself some Clinton speechifying.

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    Rachel Maddow (5.00 / 3) (#92)
    by chel2551 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:48:17 PM EST
    is running a close second.

    paraphrase: People were afraid the Clintons would overshadow Obama.  But they didn't, and now Hillary and Biden can go all over the country campaigning for Obama.

    Isn't that wonderful.

    WTF?!

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    Well, really - how can you overshadow (5.00 / 4) (#159)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:11:17 PM EST
    a nominee who's going to appear from out of a columned structure on the 50-yard line of an NFL stadium in front of 3 times the number of people in the Pepsi Center?

    Makes me wonder what they have planned for the inauguration.  Maybe they're already arranging to transport the Bird's Nest from Beijing.

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    Maybe Obama wears a toga (none / 0) (#186)
    by Prabhata on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:41:48 PM EST
    I can't wait to see the picture (no TV for me) of Obama imitating Belushi giving his speech from his Greek temple and his phony presidential seal.

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    Slap my ass and call me Sally! (none / 0) (#118)
    by magisterludi on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:55:38 PM EST
    Even KO was humbled before the power of the Dawg.

    The Dawg abides.

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    Hear, hear! (none / 0) (#209)
    by sneezy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:08:28 PM EST


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    This comment is pure gold! (none / 0) (#193)
    by 1040su on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:55:22 PM EST
    Made me spit my beer through my nose!  OUCH!!

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    I wonder if you have to (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by litigatormom on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:50:56 PM EST
    have short term memory aphasia in order to be a television pundit?

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    I like it (5.00 / 3) (#183)
    by litigatormom on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:30:10 PM EST
    I've been looking for an excuse to quit my day job. Maybe I can write the screenplay.

    Of course, what I really want to do is direct.

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    Well...cr*p! I missed Bill Clinton's address. (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Romberry on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:31:48 PM EST
    I'm sure that his address will be posted somewhere on the web later so I guess I can see it then but it would have been nice to see it in real time.

    Perhaps BC can convince me to vote for Obama. I kind of doubt it, but it's at least possible.

    Must see TV (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:40:44 PM EST
    He's the master.

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    More on why Bill rocks (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by litigatormom on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:41:26 PM EST
    His speech, which he apparently wrote himself, was structured beautifully.  He made the case for why he's come to believe, based on his own experience as president and his subsequent work, that Obama is ready to be president: tested in the primaries, it strengthened him, his first presidential decision (Biden) was hit out of the park. It addresses the question of why he's changed his tune from the primaries, when he said he wasn't ready.

    Plus, he said that Obama has "the intelligence that is essential in any successful president." He has the "judgment" and "understanding" that "America has always had more power when it leads by example, rather than with an example of its power...He will use diplomacy first, and force only as a last resort."  But if it comes to that, "he will stand up" to any enemy.

    It was good.  It wasn't just lesser of two evils. Hillary made the economic case yesterday. The economy was yesterday's theme.  Tonight was national security night, and Bill made his pitch primarily on those terms.

    Heh.  MSNBC goes to commercial during Kerry's speech.  Now he's back.  Heh, he made a fooly on McCain, and himself.  Accusing McCain of being a flip-flopper, he said "Talk about being in favor of it before he was against it.  Before he debates Barack Obama, he needs to finish the debate with himself."

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    But will people believe it? (5.00 / 4) (#106)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:52:45 PM EST
    Does he really expect people to think that his first presidential decision to pick someone other than Hillary "hit it out of the park?"  Because to say that is the equivalent of saying not picking Hillary was the right decision.  Bill Clinton really thinks that?

    He gave the speech they needed him to, but I truly think that as people listen to it again - and they will - they are going to have more than a few "huh?" moments.

    I keep getting the feeling that instead of coming to the podium to celebrate this next logical step in the career of someone who has a real list of accomplishments, many of these people seem to be trying to talk themselves and the crowd into believing that Obama's the right person for this job.

    It's like Peter Pan exhorting us to clap really, really hard so Tinkerbell won't die.

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    I was thinking the same thing (5.00 / 3) (#123)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:57:59 PM EST
    but you said it far better than I could. I am still wallowing in my bitterness and anger from the floor vote.

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    Well, saying Obama (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by brodie on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:07:26 PM EST
    "hit it out of the park" isn't quite the same thing as saying it was the absolute best decision he could have made.

    Pretty smart thing to say, too, since it helps to lessen some any lingering disappointment among the Clintons and their supporters over the VP pick.  Biden is the pick, the ticket is settled, and there's no political advantage in bellyaching about what might have been or in endorsing Biden in tepid ways that reveal an ongoing personal bitterness.

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    How true (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:09:37 PM EST
    the ball is now lost for good.


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    I thought similarly. He is the (none / 0) (#205)
    by zfran on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:49:43 PM EST
    master at speech giving and, just my opinion, is the apitomy of how to read a teleprompter and still connect with the audience. Hillary knows how to do it, too. It didn't really matter whether he meant every word, he did what he knew he had to do for himself, for Hillary, for the party. He couldn't make his speech about anything else! And, he did it with class and style and they showed him lots of love. I cried on many levels. He and Hillary are what this country needs right now.

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    lig-mom (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by DFLer on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:53:15 PM EST
    thanks...I was trying to remember my favorite line...brilliant

    something like the world has always responded to us [USA] when we lead by

    the power of our example, than by the example of our power

    hope to find exact phrase.

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    Yep, Bill had some solid (none / 0) (#93)
    by brodie on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:48:23 PM EST
    remarks about Obama being ready for CinC.  Needed and welcome.

    About the right length too.  Had he gone on another 10 minutes, the MCM would have been foaming about how he was trying to make it all about himself or how he was trying to outshine Hillary.  Carl Bernstein would talk gravely and pompously about this latest "Clintonian psychodrama".

    As for Kerry, dont' get me started about why that guy wimped out at his 2004 convention.  Dukakis just apologized, finally, to the public for running a lousy campaign in 88 and opening the door to years of misrule by two Bushes.  Kerry also needs to step up and apologize.

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    Talk to me (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by chel2551 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:54:39 PM EST
    in November, brodie.

    Obama is being propped up by the party.  

    He'd better stand on his own two feet, tout de suite, or you'll be wanting him to apologize too.

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    Why was he not on during the hour the broadcast (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by jawbone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:31:48 PM EST
    networks would have him reach more people? Stupid, stupid scheduling. Instead the lead ins are Richardson? Kerry?

    Very bad use of a vital natural Democratic Party resource.

    Wait, the main nets weren't covering Bill's (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by Valhalla on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:35:26 PM EST
    speech?  But they're on for Richardson on and Biden??!?

    lol, that's the funniest news I've heard all day.

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    No, I thought they were on prior to Biden. When is (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by jawbone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:39:01 PM EST
    Biden scheduled? Is there going to some kind of big Obama appearance surprise after Biden speaks? With lots of crowd signs and hoopla?

    Did the Obama campaign really refuse to have signs printed up for Bill Clinton? Oooof. I've missed any links to that--anyone have it? t/u

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    Sorry--Kerry on in off hour as well. So, who's on (none / 0) (#41)
    by jawbone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:33:42 PM EST
    from 10:00 to 10:30?

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    I thought Biden was on at 10 EST (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:41:27 PM EST


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    They showed a video directed by Steven (none / 0) (#207)
    by zfran on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:52:46 PM EST
    Spielberg on our military and they had military-type people on. Then Daschle, and I think Biden was scheduled for 10:31. I'm missing someone in there.

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    Really good (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Steve M on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:32:10 PM EST
    Not as good as Hillary's speech last night, not as good as his awesome speech from 2004, but still very strong.  He made the case for Obama on a different level than Hillary and said a lot of things that were important to say.  I don't expect a lot of complaints from the peanut gallery.

    I thought (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:42:09 PM EST
    the exact same thing. Bill Clinton can deliver a speech but this speech wasn't his best. It was like the Obama campaign took him in a room and said "Obama has this deficiency" and "Obama has that deficiency" and you need to try to solve them in the speech.

    Overall, the 2000 and 2004 conventions were much better than this one too.

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    But picking Joe Biden as VP (5.00 / 6) (#42)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:33:52 PM EST
    was Obama hitting one out of the park?

    Okay.  Having trouble believing he really thinks that.

    I would vote for Bill Clinton again in a heartbeat, and am so glad he got the prolonged applause and cheers.

    If they were smart, they would have had Bill introduce Joe Biden, and not put the deadly dull Kerry up next, followed by Bill Richardson.  Ugh.

    He sold the line though (5.00 / 0) (#77)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:43:00 PM EST
    I think he must have muttered 'if you couldn't bring yourself to pick Hillary'...somehow under his breath,

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    Clyburn has lost his political touch somewhere (5.00 / 5) (#47)
    by jawbone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:35:31 PM EST
    on the hopey-changey road.

    And he probably believes he's accurate in his accusations about the Clintons, which is really scary.

    Bill Clinton (5.00 / 4) (#48)
    by lentinel on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:35:32 PM EST
    Bill Clinton was as good as he could be.

    I think the unbridled ovation he received is partly due to what the people could not quite express toward Hillary when she took the podium.

    I wish I could say I was swayed.

    Clinton told us what Obama would do.
    I am not so sure.

    I am curious to hear Obama's speech.

    Bill Clinton told us what Obama SHOULD do-- (5.00 / 12) (#65)
    by jawbone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:41:05 PM EST
    partly he was laying out for the nominee what he should talk about during the GE. I think.

    And, of course, defining Dem Party values, since no one on the Obama campaign does that kind of thing.

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    Oh goody, the black rep from Arkansas... (5.00 / 13) (#52)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:36:53 PM EST
    ...says that Bill Clinton is not a racist anymore. So now its official boys and girls.

    He has received absolution (5.00 / 11) (#64)
    by janarchy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:40:59 PM EST
    from The One, so it's all okay now. Let's just forget the past 9 months -- we're Unified now.

    I am expecting my pony in the mail any day now.

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    I guess this is where we get (5.00 / 3) (#87)
    by Iris on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:46:18 PM EST
    the aphorism "forgive, but don't forget."

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    I do neither. (5.00 / 2) (#184)
    by janarchy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:34:06 PM EST
    I don't get mad. I get even.

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    What is so sad is that (5.00 / 14) (#54)
    by Jjc2008 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:38:05 PM EST
    on certain blogs, orange one and the Huffpo.....
    they are saying "the big dawg is back."  

    But it's wrong.  Bill was never gone.  The dufus American Idol lovers bought the "sound byte" rovian campaign against the Clintons.......
    the sad part is that what we saw tonight was what has always scared the right wing.

    The republicans KNOW how Bill can get the dems excited and gone which is why they spent 15 years trashing him and Hillary personally.  The so called young lefties bought it hook line an sinker and think tonight's Bill is different....
    sad but true.

    Bill and Hillary are good dems, have never been racist and work hard.  But try convincing the Maddows of the world, and the Matthews and Gergens and Todds.

    The Republicans spent far more than 15 years (5.00 / 5) (#84)
    by jawbone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:45:16 PM EST
    trying to bring down Bill Clinton. Long before he made any national waves, Lee Atwater warned that he was one smart cookie and one great polician and they needed to knock him out of future contention for the WH. The attempts to find scandal to ruin his career began long before he even gave the keynote (the loooooong one) at the '88 Dem convention.

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    Yea, you are right (5.00 / 2) (#155)
    by Jjc2008 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:09:14 PM EST
    we political junkies know that.

    But on the national stage when Bill was running you had to be living on another planet to not see what the right was trying to do.

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    Maddows and the rest work work for GE, (5.00 / 3) (#100)
    by WillBFair on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:51:19 PM EST
    the world's most vicious defense contractor. They're ordered what to say, and they say it. They're honorless shills, and I wouldn't bother trying to convince them of anything.

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    or try convincing Obamabots (4.62 / 8) (#89)
    by Josey on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:46:27 PM EST
    who were willing to trash and smear good people to boost THE ONE.


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    This narrative is tired. (2.00 / 2) (#135)
    by Realleft on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:02:17 PM EST
    The trash talk went both ways, and to suggest otherwise is just dishonest or well, I don't know what else.  That's part of the game, and President Clinton acknowledged it tonight - straight up.  American politics is a rough game.  Politicians (all of them, Obama and both Clintons included) say things for the effect they may have that will give them advantage.  It's an artform to get a negative message about your opponent out that gives you advantage while not being so obvious as to offend your own supporters. Obama and crew did things that offended Clinton supporters while not being so obvious as to offend his own base.  The Clintons did the exact same thing, and the only way to have missed it is if you were so bought into the message that you werwe blind to it.  C'mon, that's politics.  The entire field of political science studies this stuff, it's not a mystery.

    And talking about trashing and smearing good people under the title of "Obamabots" by the way.  Priceless!

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    I respectfully diagree (5.00 / 12) (#175)
    by befuddledvoter on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:26:15 PM EST
    To paint Bill Clinton of all people as a racist was unforgiveable.  To stand idly by and condone the misogyny of Hillary Clinton was likewise unforgiveable.  Custom of the trade does not explain or mitigate in any way.    

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    Oh, Christ. (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by chel2551 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:29:39 PM EST
    The entire field of political science studies this stuff, it's not a mystery.

    Like people in Wall Street study economics?

    You are too funny, but dangerously naive.

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    In a word, bullsh!t. (none / 0) (#177)
    by echinopsia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:27:19 PM EST


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    Americablog's Arevosis (none / 0) (#192)
    by Prabhata on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:53:24 PM EST
    said that he wanted the Clintons to go away and never see their f*%#$%^& faces again.  Or something like that.  I made the mistake of hitting a link once and that's what I read. Arevosis thinks he's a Democrat.

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    I am proud (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by Coldblue on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:38:50 PM EST
    of the Clinton's and proud to remain a Democrat

    Did you notice the music? (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by joanneleon on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:39:04 PM EST
    Before Bill was introduced they played "Chain of Fools".

    As he was coming out, of course they played "Don't Stop..."

    Just after he finished they played a little bit of some version of "Happy Day" then when he left the stage and was shaking hands, they played "Addicted to Love".

    Disgusting.  They just can't seem to help themselves.  After hearing that speech, I hope they are really embarrassed now because it really makes them look bad, and that's an understatement.

    Not "Happy Day" (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by janarchy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:41:39 PM EST
    It was a weird cover of "Beautiful Day" by U2. Only not by U2.

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    Is that true? (none / 0) (#138)
    by Edgar08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:03:16 PM EST
    That means U2 has not signed off on "used by permission."


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    It might have been a weird mix (none / 0) (#173)
    by janarchy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:25:09 PM EST
    It sounded like a gospel choir singing "It's a beautiful day" from the chorus over and over. So it might've been some alt mix of the song by U2 but I didn't hear Bono's signature yowl anywhere (I am a big U2 fan -- just like picking on Bozo)

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    Let me get this straight:This is deliberate, right (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by jawbone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:51:05 PM EST
    1. Chain of Fools
    2. Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow
    3. Beautiful Day
    4. Addicted to Love


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    Music is not a competitive sport. (none / 0) (#140)
    by DFLer on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:03:52 PM EST
    Chain is one a the greatest songs ever....and it's all about the groove...anyway, sheesh

    also want to say, I've seen the "bad cover comment" more than once. It's a live band playing these songs and that's great. God forbid real musicians should actually get a gig and get paid, instead of using canned music, or even original recordings. This is a Democratic Party function. We use Union Labor....viva the AF(of)M

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    Well (none / 0) (#153)
    by dissenter on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:08:07 PM EST
    I personally think Stevie Nicks works a lot better and the poster is right...this music sucks.

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    whatever (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by DFLer on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:16:53 PM EST
    first of all, Stevie would never make the appearance to play background music second if they played the record, they would still have to pay royalties to Fleetwood Mac anyway. third, not one carpenter, electrician, bartender, janitor working this convention is non-union. fourth, there's a difference in disputing the choice of songs, and the fact that you don't like a soul band's version of "Don't Stop"

    I say pay live musicians, or live with karoke forever.

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    Incredible. (5.00 / 0) (#103)
    by Realleft on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:52:15 PM EST
    How much fabricating can you do?  Just wow.  I can't believe how many people here could miss that the point of Chain of Fools was about the last eight year of Republican rule.  

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    I considered that (5.00 / 3) (#194)
    by joanneleon on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:56:49 PM EST
    and I allowed that maybe they were referring to the Republicans.  It was interesting that they chose it just before Bill's introduction though.

    How about "Addicted to Love?"  Got an answer for that one?

    For instance, after Ted Kennedy spoke, they played "Still the One"

    After Michelle Obama spoke, they played "Isn't She Lovely"

    For Joe Biden, before he was introduced, they played the theme from "Rocky".  After he finished, they played "The Rising".

    After Bill Clinton spoke, they played "Addicted to Love".  Huh?  One of these things, is not like the other.  I'd love to hear your rationalization for that one.

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    yeah ... (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by Monda on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:53:33 PM EST
    The song pissed me off so bad.  Don't stop thinking about tomorrow, yesterday is gone ... etc, because the CNN pundits were all worried Bill would talk about his "yesterday" administration too much.  Who the hell doesn't want to go back to Bill's yesterday I want to know.  
    Michelle again when Clinton was introduced had that laser look could kill.  She brightened up after Clinton said Obama's name about 100 times.

    But let me cut to the chase.  The pundits were worried that the Clinton's would overshadow Obama's nomination.  They are right on that point, and very rightfully so.  No matter how much they endorsed Obama, when the two of them take the stage, there is no comparison.  And the differences are accentuated , just like in the debates.  Let's just call it for what it is.  

    Damn it, why people/dems didn't want them back at WH, I still can't figure it out.

     

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    Um. (5.00 / 2) (#145)
    by Realleft on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:05:42 PM EST
    Don't stop thinking about tomorrow was Bill Clinton's theme song while running for President. It was honoring him to play it.

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    Um, yeah we KNOW. (none / 0) (#181)
    by rooge04 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:29:05 PM EST


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    I wondered about that. (none / 0) (#74)
    by TheRealFrank on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:42:19 PM EST
    THat seemed.. unfortunate. But I also noticed that they stopped before the chorus, so the words were never sung.


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    Lyrics to "Addicted to Love" (none / 0) (#109)
    by joanneleon on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:53:15 PM EST
    Here's the words that lead up the the phrase "Addicted to Love":

    Your lights are on, but youre not home
    Your mind is not your own
    Your heart sweats, your body shakes
    Another kiss is what it takes

    You cant sleep, you cant eat
    Theres no doubt, youre in deep
    Your throat is tight, you cant breathe
    Another kiss is all you need

    Whoa, you like to think that youre immune to the stuff, oh
    Yeah

    Its closer to the truth to say you cant get enough, you
    Know youre

    Gonna have to face it, [you're addicted to love]*


    *this is where the song cut off


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    Apparently, the crowd chimed in (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by dianem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:42:59 PM EST
    According to Joan Walsh at Salon, the crowd shouted out the chorus. That must have been something to see. Bill Clinton leaving to a standing ovation, and the entire crowd shouting out "Addicted to Love" as he left. Given how carefully they planned everything for this event, it's hard to believe that it's just a coincidence.

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    Anything else that happens now (5.00 / 4) (#72)
    by themomcat on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:42:08 PM EST
    at this convention is anti-climactic. After Hillary and Bill's speeches, Obama has some big shoes to fill. Over the next 2 months, Obama has a lot of people to convince to vote for him. As GWB would say, that's hard work. I watched on C-Span and I only watched them. Back to Law and Order re-runs.

    Unfortunately (5.00 / 8) (#76)
    by Edgar08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:42:44 PM EST
    I'll never forget what was said about Bill Clinton by blogs and churches that support Barack Obama.

    And the winning strategy is not to expect me to forget.  But to keep speaking out against the hate they preach.

    That is the winning strategy.

    Or a 55-gallon drum? (5.00 / 0) (#80)
    by BrianJ on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:43:58 PM EST


    The problem I have with all the praise of (5.00 / 2) (#95)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:49:20 PM EST
    Obama's judgement and leadership qualities is that there is no evidence for it. Praise his demonstrated qualities instead.

    I dunno (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Steve M on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:51:06 PM EST
    The uncle who liberated the concentration camp was sitting right there next to Michelle.

    Do you suppose he was a phony????

    He looked rather dazed and confused. (5.00 / 0) (#104)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:52:28 PM EST


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    Well (5.00 / 0) (#120)
    by Steve M on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:56:20 PM EST
    I'm sure he's getting up there!  My grandfather who fought in Europe passed away over 40 years ago.

    God bless the Greatest Generation.

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    In his 80's probably (none / 0) (#142)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:04:35 PM EST
    My dad joined the Marines at about 18, fought in WWII and is 85 years old. The uncle is probably around the same age.


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    Great Uncle (5.00 / 0) (#144)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:05:33 PM EST
    I think he only recently learned he existed, though.

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    Dunno (5.00 / 2) (#147)
    by Steve M on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:05:54 PM EST
    If my mom was an only child, does that mean she never had an uncle???  It's like one of those logic puzzles, I guess!

    I am pretty amused at the thought that you might actually believe they sat some random old guy next to Michelle Obama and pretended he was Obama's great-uncle that liberated a concentration camp.  Are you the ambassador from No Quarter?

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    I don't know if he was really his (5.00 / 0) (#208)
    by zfran on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:59:47 PM EST
    great uncle, but it seems awfully extraordinary that he has such a one size fits all background.

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    Narrative (5.00 / 0) (#102)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:51:46 PM EST
    will kill us.  

    It's funny (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by lilburro on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:52:54 PM EST
    how the Obama campaign has backed away from the Clintons over this past summer.  Using Pelosi, Richardson, Kerry as representatives of the potential of Obama's leadership.  These are minor figures.  They throw floaters, as Carville might say.  If you want to show people you are a leader, you need leaders by your side.  Obama clearly has the Clintons by his side now.

    Bill Clinton clearly just said, Obama is not a cult.  He is a Democratic Party that wins.  

    Finally!  For me this is a speech that vindicated my support of Democrats since I was 15, my sweaty summer of canvassing for the DNC.  It's all worth it, because we know what's going on.  

    And did anyone hear, I think Carville, say Bill and Obama will be together in SE Ohio?  

    Kiss Ohio goodbye, McCain.

    I don't think it's that simple (5.00 / 2) (#190)
    by dianem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:46:57 PM EST
    `I'm not a complete fan of Politico, but they seem to be respected by a lot of people. They had an article about how Bill Clinton is so angry about his treatment during the primary that he's avoiding interviews because he's worried he might lose his temper. Hillary Clinton is supposed to be more enthusiastically behind Obama. I agree with the people who think that Bill Clinton is speaking tonight to support his wife, not Obama.

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    John Kerry (5.00 / 0) (#111)
    by Steve M on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:53:54 PM EST
    was actually pretty good.  Maybe a tad too long.  Shout out to beachmom!

    litigatormom. LMAOOOOOOOOOO (5.00 / 0) (#114)
    by kelsweet on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:54:44 PM EST
    I burst out laughing when I this. Good one.

    Tell us more about your (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Faust on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:55:38 PM EST
    "single mother bull$it" theory. Links please. I look foreward to all the right wing Obama hating sites you are about to link.

    So far if there's a drinking game (5.00 / 3) (#152)
    by Redshoes on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:07:34 PM EST
    Single Mother and 90% of the time win.    

    For those of us who will vote the Democratic ticket in November without enthusiasm for the nominee part is the disingenuousness of his life story and his seeming disrespect for the accomplishments of his mother.  I can still remember the 1st Obama ad I saw and it referenced her cancer and then later stories focused on her single parent status and food stamps.  

    Not once have I heard him speak of her PhD or trailblazing feminism.  Too bad because even more than that distant great uncle she made him.  

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    Are you not capable of supporting links (none / 0) (#166)
    by Faust on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:21:16 PM EST
    Use your keyboard. Post the links. I know you can do it.

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    Educate the ignorant. (2.00 / 0) (#199)
    by Faust on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:16:50 PM EST
    You post an assertion that something is "bull$hit" and then post nothing to substantiate it. What exactly is common knowledge? That he had a single mother, or that he "bull$hits" about it?

    If it's common knowledge then it should be very easy to educate me, the ignorant petitioner. I'm waiting for your lesson.


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    I hope the Obama camp realizes... (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:57:27 PM EST
    ... that the Clintons (both of them) are their best possible surrogates. It's time to drop this "sunset figures" nonsense and put them to work.

    Breaking news (5.00 / 6) (#124)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:58:36 PM EST
    Breaking news: Bill Clinton gave a great speech!!! Wow...Obama wings wakes up from right wing induced stupor that propelled them into collective CDS. Harvard Medical school and NHI have gone to Denver to document the miracle cure. Actually listening to the Clintons vs. to what the bloggers and Media tell you the Clintons think, or what their psychology is results in clarity. Imagine that.

    Stellaaa, (none / 0) (#141)
    by chel2551 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:04:04 PM EST
    you rock.  :)

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    It was fantastic! (none / 0) (#160)
    by Realleft on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:12:38 PM EST
    I am contributing now through Hillary's site.  Hope others are doing the same.

    And I hope both Joe Biden and Barack Obama can follow these acts with inspiring speeches of their own, and that they are given a fair chance by any remaining skeptics in sharing their visions.  No one needs to follow Hillary and Bill just because they support Obama for President, but I think they both made a compelling case to at least listen with open minds and hearts.

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    Well, it all falls on BO now... (none / 0) (#206)
    by NO2WONDERBOY on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:51:59 PM EST
    no more scape goating, let's see if he can convince me. Yes, I'm one of those skeptics. I don't think he can.

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    And, the gramma working the line (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:59:09 PM EST
    for the war effort. Sheesh.

    He didn't even know his great uncle. Not like he grew up getting words of wisdom at the guy's knee.

    Kerry did say those darned Rovian campaign methods WILL NOT WORK this time. Considering Axelrod is the one using them, that's unfortunate.

    Karl Rove (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by MrPope on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:01:05 PM EST
    Rove on FOX"republican"NEWS looked like he was going to blow a sprocket after Bill's speech... it was a joy to see

    Rove (5.00 / 0) (#171)
    by daria g on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:24:06 PM EST
    Immediately got defensive and starting arguing against what Bill said.  I took this as an excellent sign.

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    I had the same reaction (5.00 / 0) (#174)
    by DemForever on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:25:19 PM EST


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    Withdrawal (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by lentinel on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:05:44 PM EST
    Every time I hear one of these democrats say "responsible" withdrawal from Iraq I think - uh huh - That means no time soon.

    This phraseology is right out of the Bush play book.

    It means absolutely nothing.

    The Power of Example, Not The Example of Power. (5.00 / 3) (#185)
    by Sweet Sue on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:38:56 PM EST
    Bill Clinton was brilliant and inspirational as always. The Clintons can sell me on almost everything except Obama.
    The use of "Addicted to Love" after the Great One's speech was the audacity of dope. Unforgivable.

    I'm gad Bill made it clear that (5.00 / 2) (#197)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:13:51 PM EST
    his candidate didn't win.

    I did not hear Bill Clinton say that (4.66 / 3) (#137)
    by FemB4dem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:03:04 PM EST
    Obama is ready to be the C in C.  What I did hear him say was that Repubs made the same argument against him in 1992, that he wasn't experienced enough, and he won because Dems were on the right side of history then, and Obama will win because he's also on the "right side of history."  IMO, that is entirely different than saying "I know Obama and you can trust me, America, he's ready to be the C in C."  Neither Bill nor Hillary could bring themselves to say that.  

    And with all due respect to Bill, whom I love and who gave a good speech, I don't think Obama is on the right side of history as we move on towards November 2008 -- we are in two wars now, in 1992 America had successfully showed its muscle in Kuwait and the public mood was that peace seemed guaranteed, so national security was not a key issue and the country was ready to take a chance on a young, relatively inexperienced governor; the Iraq issue has shifted in the last several months, with a credible argument existing that the surge is working and a kind of victory may be on the horizon there; Georgia (and I don't mean the Peach State) has brought national security front and center and looks to keep it there for the next two months.  With all that, IMO Obama is now on the wrong side of history, and the country is not ready to take a chance the way it did on Clinton in 1992.  We'll see.

    Bill Clinton (5.00 / 3) (#200)
    by befuddledvoter on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:34:13 PM EST
    was the longest serving governor by the time he ran for the presidency.  Am I remembering this right??  Not quite the analogy to Obama.

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    Yes, Bill had much more experience in 1992 (5.00 / 1) (#204)
    by FemB4dem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:47:19 PM EST
    than Obama has, yet he had to deal with the argument Obama faces now -- and not in the middle of two wars and a resurgence of the Russian bear.  While this may be a change election, it is also an experience election.  In the end, IMO, that is what will sink Obama in this most Dem of Dem years.  Foolish, foolish Dems.

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    yeah but (none / 0) (#149)
    by MrPope on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:06:30 PM EST
    Americans still are more worried about the ECONOMY way more than IRAQ or Georgia..

    not even close.

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    I'm speechless. (4.00 / 3) (#57)
    by lilburro on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:38:39 PM EST
    That was amazing.  Obama should get a bump out of this like no other.  The Clintons just giftwrapped the election for Obama.  And they're right, he will be a good President.

    Wow.

    LOLOLOLOL really? u believe that? (5.00 / 1) (#201)
    by kelsweet on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 10:34:49 PM EST
    It isn't the Clinton's running silly burro. It is Obama, he will have to sell it. Perhaps he took notes?

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    Presidential Decisionmaking (4.90 / 10) (#61)
    by dissenter on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:40:32 PM EST
    1. Put Joe Biden - king of credit cards as the VP
    2. Put Bill Clinton during non-primetime coverage

    Ya, he is gonna win lol

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    What a pleasure (none / 0) (#38)
    by Redshoes on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:32:38 PM EST


    John Kerry..... (none / 0) (#79)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:43:35 PM EST
    in pictures...

    Some comic relief

    Gawd, Stellaaa.... (none / 0) (#116)
    by oldpro on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:55:03 PM EST
    that was...p a i n f u l....

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    John Kerry is reliving his own (none / 0) (#86)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:46:15 PM EST
    campaign.  Kind of:  oh, if only I'd said . . . .

    Who was the elderly Caucasian (none / 0) (#101)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:51:35 PM EST
    gentleman on Michelle Obama's left?

    That would be... (5.00 / 0) (#117)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:55:34 PM EST
    ... Barack's concentration camp liberating great-uncle, who does actually exist, even if Obama got some of the details wrong.

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    I think (none / 0) (#112)
    by theprosecutrix on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:54:01 PM EST
    I heard Kerry say he's Obama's uncle.  

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    Bill Clinton (none / 0) (#122)
    by MrPope on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:57:37 PM EST
    just got Obama Elected President of the United States

    No one (5.00 / 8) (#163)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:18:02 PM EST
    can get Obama elected President except for Obama. Why do all his supporters think that someone else is supposed to do the job that Obama is supposed to do himself?

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    Are Bill Clinton (none / 0) (#136)
    by chel2551 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:03:02 PM EST
    and Barack Obama running for president?

    No. I didn't think so.

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    I wish (5.00 / 4) (#154)
    by lentinel on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:08:58 PM EST
    I wish it were possible for the democrats to win the White House without having to elect Barack Obama.

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    Is anyone else concerned? (none / 0) (#127)
    by Redshoes on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:59:21 PM EST
    Has the Democratic party become the Republican party of 1976?  I'm glad Huston found a safe harbor but really it's my party and I'll cry if I want to.  (No doubt the dimwits handling the music will cue that before this is done.)

    Kerry (none / 0) (#128)
    by MrPope on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:59:33 PM EST
    Kerry was hitting very hard up there...Bill got everyone fired up

    The Clintons (none / 0) (#139)
    by PlayInPeoria on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:03:18 PM EST
    sure add excitement. Now CAN Obama keep it going? ONLY if he has the Clintons with him. If he doesn't use them... he will never get to the WH.

    I have only watched Hillary and Bill's speeches.

    I try to listen... BUT it is just too boring!

    More Fauxgressive imposters (none / 0) (#143)
    by Ellie on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:04:47 PM EST
    Maddow and other carriers of Girl Cooties that have been declared safe for the treehouse -- provided they cheerlead properly -- isn't going to damage her "reward" of being made a star there.

    More pundit madness: The CW that Obama's suck-up to this "new" demographic armed with magical tech no one ever heard of before -- cell phones with text messaging -- will bring out all these new voters that no one's seen in promised force till now, but will DEFINITELY show up on Election Day.

    Apparently there's some element or force within 25-yr old tech that will be unleashed -- not previously seen in a non-Clinton-hating capacity -- that no one but Team Obama can tapped into.

    Republicans of all ages, for example, will be denied access and power over this tech.

    Parsing the words from the transcript. (none / 0) (#164)
    by Grace on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:19:01 PM EST
    Bill said "Barack Obama is ready to be President of the United States."

    In no place in that speech did Bill say "I BELIEVE Barack Obama is ready to be President of the United States."

    Clever.    

    I guess (5.00 / 0) (#167)
    by DemForever on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:21:40 PM EST
    He had  no doubt about it.

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    Excellent Observation (none / 0) (#180)
    by dissenter on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:28:33 PM EST
    I also liked the Joe Biden qualifier.

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    This film is boring. So ponderous... (none / 0) (#172)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:24:30 PM EST
    ...I liked the Michelle Obama video and the Hillary one. The rest don't do anything for me.

    Just banned socalliberal for that comment (none / 0) (#188)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:46:04 PM EST
    and deleted it

    Jeralyn, I was thinking of you (none / 0) (#191)
    by bridget on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:49:57 PM EST
    when Bill talked about Biden :)

    btw. I really have to get used to Biden as VP cause I am not a fan at all. Even Bill can't change my mind in that department although he certainly did his v. best ;-)

    Big Dawg was great (none / 0) (#211)
    by DancingOpossum on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:05:31 AM EST
    Nothing more to add. What a great president, what a great man.

    After Michelle Obama spoke, they played "Isn't She Lovely"

    Which was really weird because the song is about the birth of a baby. WTF???

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