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By Big Tent Democrat, Section Democratic National Convention 2008
Posted on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:51:10 PM EST
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Um, so the message tonight is that Democrats like to go to concerts? And the "Yes, We Can" song? With Obama speaking cuts in the middle and big pictures of Obama? Not a good idea.

In my opinion of course. I'm not following what this is supposed to be achieving tonight.

Speaking for me only.

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    I agree. We come off looking silly here. (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by Teresa on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:54:56 PM EST
    Who exactly plained this event?

    The stage design (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by themomcat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:06:56 PM EST
    was by the same company that has designed stages for Britney Spears. Just saying. ;-)


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    The stage (5.00 / 0) (#61)
    by Grace on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:15:37 PM EST
    looks like it should revolve or something...  It looks like a theatrical set.  

    How are the people behind the set supposed to see the speaker?  Are they going to elevate him above the set?    

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    It looks like any number of (none / 0) (#108)
    by inclusiveheart on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:32:20 PM EST
    the hundreds of Greek-style amphitheaters across this country.

    It is by no means particularly impressive in size nor is it particularly original.  In fact given the fact that the Greek Revival style was at one time considered "American style" architecture and dates back to the founding of this country, I'd say it is about as American as apple pie.

    You can't swing a cat in DC without hitting a Doric column - really you can't.

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    It's supposed to remind people (none / 0) (#177)
    by SueBonnetSue on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:42:52 PM EST
    That Obama belongs in Washington?  Or in a monument?  Or that he's like Greek God?  

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    It is actually considered to be (none / 0) (#185)
    by inclusiveheart on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:27:17 PM EST
    "traditional" American architecture.

    And do you know why we build buildings with Greek architectural references?

    Because Greece is considered the birth place of democracy.

    Of course, Republicans don't understand this or even probably know because there is no history for them before the birth of the baby jesus.

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    'O Judgment, thou art fled to brutish beasts, (5.00 / 2) (#152)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:06:50 PM EST
    And men have lost their reason!
    Bear with me.
    My heart is in the coffin there with Hillary,
    And I must pause till it come back to me.'

    Julius Caesar, Act 3, Scene 2, with liberties, and apologies to William Shakespeare


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    Great quotation (none / 0) (#178)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:44:37 PM EST
    This is all certainly very Shakespearean stuff, and you picked a fantastic quote.

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    Planned dangit. (none / 0) (#3)
    by Teresa on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:55:19 PM EST


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    The Acceptance Speech (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by JimWash08 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:55:00 PM EST
    will be meaty and it will answer all the questions that have yet to be answered about an Obama White House. That's according to his aides. I really hope they're right.

    But it's still two hours away (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by litigatormom on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:08:33 PM EST
    Why am I listening to these stupid musical performances?  

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    Because it's a happening (none / 0) (#44)
    by Brookhaven on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:09:55 PM EST
    Come on get with the program sister. ;)

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    A happening? (none / 0) (#69)
    by BernieO on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:18:09 PM EST
    You are showing your age. And I knew what your were talking about. Groovy.

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    OOOOH (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by BernieO on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:45:29 PM EST
    Now they are playing music from Hair to introduce Gore!!! It really is a happening.

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    Hey, watch it bud :) (none / 0) (#115)
    by Brookhaven on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:34:46 PM EST
    How can anyone not know what a happening means who reads?  ;P

    Or is a fan of Diana Ross and is familiar with her body of work?

    You can not guess how old I am from my font or lack thereof of popular culture trivia.  

    I am a baby boomer wanna be, though.  Is that groovy?  LOL.  

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    Eat your heart out! (none / 0) (#121)
    by BernieO on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:36:40 PM EST
    And I am female, btw.

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    I love baby boomers (none / 0) (#148)
    by Brookhaven on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:00:59 PM EST
    I just missed being one.  I'm 42.  A Gen X'er: the slackers.  LOL.  Bernie, sorry for not being able to think outside the box when I read your screen name.  I'm still trying to learn to think outside the box. ;)

    Sorry for the O/T.  

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    When the moon is in the seventh house (none / 0) (#99)
    by litigatormom on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:29:25 PM EST
    and Jupiter aligns with Mars,

    Then peace will guide the planets,

    And love will steer the stars!


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    If your going to San Francisco (none / 0) (#105)
    by BernieO on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:31:13 PM EST
    Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair....

    Wait! We should be singing "Rocky Mountain High"!

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    slightly OT, (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by ccpup on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:57:54 PM EST
    BTD, but John McCain will congratulate Obama tonight via a videotaped message immediately after the Convention:

    McCain says: "Senator Obama, this is truly a good day for America. Too often the achievements of our opponents go unnoticed. So I wanted to stop and say, congratulations. How perfect that your nomination would come on this historic day. Tomorrow, we'll be back at it. But tonight Senator, job well done."

    Smart politics, in my opinion.

    You Mean (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by JimWash08 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:04:04 PM EST
    this?

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    yeah (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by ccpup on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:07:21 PM EST
    I had only seen the script -- which I included -- and had yet to see the video.  

    Thanks for thinking to link.

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    The irony "how perfect (none / 0) (#74)
    by weltec2 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:19:31 PM EST
    that your nomination should come on this historic day" is so thick...  

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    I thought he was referring to the rigged (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:22:05 PM EST
    selection :)

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    exactly. (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by weltec2 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:35:11 PM EST


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    I heard and saw what you did as well (5.00 / 2) (#138)
    by Brookhaven on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:48:37 PM EST
    The use of "how perfect" and the intonation in McCain's voice was definitely sarcastic.  Like the Church Lady from SNL saying "Isn't that special".

    His message was double edged imo.  Acknowledging the historical significance of Obama's nomination but with a twist.  

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    Yup - I thought so too (none / 0) (#141)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:52:01 PM EST


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    Just saw it. (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by janarchy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:11:13 PM EST
    He's killing 'em with kindness.

    McCain's pr team for his videos have been unbelievably good so far. This is not an endorsement of him as a candidate, but they've been well done.

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    The same (none / 0) (#24)
    by lentinel on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:05:27 PM EST
    What McCain is doing is the same as Biden and Clinton did with respect to McCain - he's my friend - splendid service - what a hero etc....  Nobody means what they're saying.

    The "historic day" comment is racist, in my opinion - but I don't think anybody else feels that way.

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    Jim Clyburn, is that you? (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by JimWash08 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:09:46 PM EST
    The "historic day" comment is racist, in my opinion

    Wow. Just wow.

    And I commented earlier about the ad. I do not think it is racist, but it sure is politically motivated, needless to say.

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    it sure is politically motivated (none / 0) (#71)
    by lentinel on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:19:09 PM EST
    And the motivation in the "historic day" part, is to highlight Obama's race.

    He could have just congratulated Obama on winning the nomination and left it at that.

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    I assume you know (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by JimWash08 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:27:26 PM EST
    that today's the 45th Anniversary of the "I Have A Dream" speech.

    The DNC and Obama campaign knew fully well what this day meant.

    And they even went all out to recreate a backdrop to signify the Lincoln Memorial, which was where that historical speech was, and invite 70,000 people to witness it.

    If they cared (and they clearly don't) about racial slams -- intended or unintended -- they would have stayed put at the Pepsi Center.

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    Well (5.00 / 0) (#112)
    by chrisvee on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:33:31 PM EST
    if Obama's speech explicitly ties tonight to 'reviving the dream' or 'realizing the dream' or something along those lines, maybe they'll pull it off and justify the spectacle.

    Right now, I'm just thinking about what all of the money that went into this would do for the country especially in such difficult times. Al Gore, save us.

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    I'm not for it. (none / 0) (#149)
    by lentinel on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:01:08 PM EST
    I'm not much for dreaming at this point.
    I don't want to be encouraged to dream.
    I don't want to hear about reviving a dream.

    I want to hear what he intends to do.

    I don't want to hear folk music or rock music.
    I want to hear anger.
    I am furious about what has happened to our country.
    I am angry about the loss of our civil liberties and the suppression of free speech.
    I am especially angry at the fact that the war in Iraq continues unabated as Americans and Iraqis are killed daily for nothing while we sit back and sing songs and dream.

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    Change of Fools (5.00 / 2) (#159)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:13:11 PM EST
    I am angry about the loss of our civil liberties and the suppression of free speech.

    FISA and the Denver Free Speech Cages.  

    Yeah, that's change.


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    To quote Yoko Ono (5.00 / 0) (#160)
    by janarchy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:14:07 PM EST
    Dream we dream alone is just a dream.
    Dream we dream together is reality.

    Of course, that means working to make it a reality, which is what Bill Clinton said last night. How many of the people sitting in that audience in Denver are willing to work for things rather than just expecting someone to magically bestow it upon them by winning an election?

    So far, other than a lot of bullying, blogging and generally behaving like thugs, I haven't seen a lot of action by Obama's followers/supporters. They keep comparing him to JFK, but the thing with Kennedy was he got people to do things -- like the Peace Corp and civil rights work. I would be more impressed if there was more than just a lot of cheap talk (and for what it's worth, I did work my ass off in the past. Didn't get me very far, but I made the effort.)

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    Dreaming (none / 0) (#170)
    by lentinel on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:25:50 PM EST
    "Dream we dream together is reality."

    Or it could be a mass hallucination brought about by manipulative fascists.

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    nope, (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by ccpup on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:13:40 PM EST
    didn't think it was racist in the slightest.

    But, then again, there are those who'll find irrefutable proof of racism in a sneeze, so ...


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    what makes you think it's racist? (none / 0) (#60)
    by Josey on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:15:06 PM EST


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    Really? (none / 0) (#103)
    by weltec2 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:30:58 PM EST
    Listen to that whole sentence again and listen to the emphasis that he places on "perfect" with the ironic frown and notice the knowing smile that comes after "historic day". The reference is to the fact that Obama's whole nomination has been carefully engineered by the Democratic leadership right up to this "historic day". The irony is just thick.

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    That's what I saw. (none / 0) (#117)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:35:30 PM EST
    I thought it was "funny". So they are broadcasting this where?

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    I saw that a few minutes ago (none / 0) (#179)
    by SueBonnetSue on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:44:39 PM EST
    It was actually very nice.  Surprising, but nice.  

    I have to agree, it was good politics.

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    Tonight's Message? (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:58:27 PM EST
    "We think the McCain commercials are amusing and thought they would like some more content."

    "Oh, yeah, and please text everyone you know. We promised AT&T you would."

    Well, Sheryl Crow didn't get prime time (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:05:56 PM EST
    so maybe most of America won't judge us by that.

    And she's in good company, since Bill Clinton didn't get prime time, either.  (The stoooopid, it hurts.)

    Now I await just by what Dems will be judged.  For starters, we've got a legacy pol, Udall.  I thought we were against legacies.  That's what the prog blogs told me.    

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    Too bad she didn't (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by BernieO on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:20:46 PM EST
    because that sleaze Bill Richardson is speaking and CNN is carrying it. Of course Al Gore spoke a long time ago so no one will see him. Richardson is a much better representative for the party. Maybe he will tell some sexually inappropriate jokes just to liven things up. I hear that is a habit he has.

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    Gore already was on? (5.00 / 0) (#88)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:25:19 PM EST
    That's what I really wanted to see.

    So see my comment below about Dems mismanaging prime time yet again.

    And I just would like to know right now:  Does a vote for Obama, and him winning, mean having to see Bill Richardson for four more years?  If so. . . .

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    I think he's on in a little while. (none / 0) (#101)
    by Teresa on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:30:28 PM EST


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    I hope so but when I checked the schedule (none / 0) (#109)
    by BernieO on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:33:08 PM EST
    earlier he was scheduled long before this. Maybe that was wrong. It would make more sense.

    On the other hand letting Richardson have a prime time spot (I thought he spoke the other night?) is annoying.

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    CNN (none / 0) (#113)
    by chrisvee on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:34:25 PM EST
    reports him as next after Stevie Wonder.

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    I just rechecked and it looks like (none / 0) (#119)
    by BernieO on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:35:35 PM EST
    GOre will be on next. I didn't notice that they had it listed in local time.

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    The schedule is in mountain time. (none / 0) (#123)
    by Teresa on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:37:32 PM EST
    I think he's up next.

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    Did you see the McCain ad (none / 0) (#38)
    by BarnBabe on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:08:44 PM EST
    congratulating Obama on this historical night? It was on CNN or Yahoo. Can't find it now. A serious ad. Back to normal tomorrow he said at the end.

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    Yup. And tomorrow (5.00 / 0) (#107)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:32:19 PM EST
    they'll have all kinds of new footage to use, lol!~

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    Tongue planted firmly in cheek (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:58:47 PM EST
    "more meat than the songs."

    Every day is a winding road.

    Or soon, I love a beer bust, early in the morning.

    Isn't the purpose of the name (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:59:07 PM EST
    musicians to fill up those 75,000 seats?

    I agree (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:02:38 PM EST
    Making this even dumber politically imo.

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    Aw come on music and politics (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by inclusiveheart on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:27:43 PM EST
    have a long intertwined history.

    My main complaint is that they should have staged and programmed this event so that they could have easily gone from one act to the next without these long re-sets between the musicians and the speakers.

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    I read somewhere that (none / 0) (#130)
    by BernieO on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:42:53 PM EST
    was how he got so many people at speeches he gave during the primaries and the press just didn't bother to report it. Anyone know if that is true?

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    Spectacle (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by waldenpond on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:00:00 PM EST
    I'm not into ostentatiousness... I wonder how many other average joes aren't that interested.  I always thought the campaign needed to tone down any activities that fed the messianic or celebrity memes.  Stop giving the Repubs ammo.  Too much with the tvs surrounded by pillars etc. Man, I'm getting old. Ha!

    If there is no alcohol, what's the point of a concert? just sayin'

    Just chiming in (5.00 / 3) (#87)
    by chrisvee on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:24:51 PM EST
    to say that I posted about this earlier and now that I'm seeing it, my worst fears are confirmed. While this convention is probably fun to attend, the optics of this type of spectacle in such tough economic times seems to be a big turnoff. That stage looks like a movie set. I hope I'm wrong but I think we're just reinforcing McCain's criticisms.

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    Please explain (5.00 / 0) (#13)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:01:37 PM EST
    how this rock concert helps remove the tarnish.

    And be careful about claiming it as your idea.  As I recall, you are considering a career in politics.:-)

    Or maybe the musical stuff is (5.00 / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:01:48 PM EST
    to show everyone watching TV how young Obama and his followers are?  Except they aren't.

    Comparison (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by koshembos on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:05:16 PM EST
    There is a good chance that Obama's speech tonight will not rise to the brilliance of Hillary's speech. The Obamavans will not see it, but everyone else will. It may be the end of this presidential campaign.

    Hold that thought (none / 0) (#45)
    by DemForever on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:10:43 PM EST
    until after the speech.

    I don't see this campaign being over until November 4.  You may be getting ahead of yourself just a tad.

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    I hope Obama's speech is positive (none / 0) (#96)
    by Grace on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:28:44 PM EST
    and not just a litany of woes.  His speech in 2004 was a hopeful one.  His speeches in the past few months have basically been all about "this is so bad, that is so bad."  Give us solutions!    

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    According to Anatole Kaletsky (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by weltec2 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:06:12 PM EST
    in the London Times, "To judge by Barack Obama's disappointing performance so far in the opinion polls, reflected in the surprisingly subdued atmosphere at the Denver convention, Democrats are suffering a bad case of 'buyer's remorse'."

    Bill, Hillary, and Al have all given brilliant speeches. But Barack is now going to have to do it for himself.

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    I'm glad (5.00 / 0) (#171)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:26:31 PM EST
    I wasn't the only one that sensed a whole death pallor over the convention. No one really seemed that excited about the upcoming election. Howard Dean looked positively dismal.

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    Some might say that Dean is absolutely dismal (none / 0) (#180)
    by SueBonnetSue on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:46:54 PM EST


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    and many (none / 0) (#181)
    by Redshoes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:48:25 PM EST
    would agree

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    I could do with (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by mmc9431 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:16:39 PM EST
    a lot more meat in the speech and a lot less faith. I don't need a revival meeting. Crossing my fingers!

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    Crow sounded terrible (5.00 / 0) (#25)
    by americanincanada on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:05:45 PM EST
    and the recreation of the video live was a terrible idea, I agree. This combined with the now widely known fact that Spear's people did the set will just gie more fodder to McCain and that's the last thng we needed.

    Spears' designer (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by ccpup on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:09:23 PM EST
    did the set?

    Oh, tell me that's snark ... please?

    If true, they might as well have just HANDED McCain the bat to bludgeon them with.

    So, snark, ... right?

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    Not snark (5.00 / 0) (#49)
    by americanincanada on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:12:04 PM EST
    sadly it's truth....

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    Nooooooo (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by litigatormom on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:13:30 PM EST
    Well, let's look at the bright side.  At least Britney's not performing.

    Tim Kaine is on now. I'm glad he's not the VP pick.

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    She would be (none / 0) (#154)
    by weltec2 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:10:14 PM EST
    at the Republican Convention anyway. I think they should even let her give a speech.

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    No, not snark (5.00 / 0) (#58)
    by theybannedmeinboston on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:13:50 PM EST


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    If I were in charge, I would have (none / 0) (#35)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:07:47 PM EST
    had Crow walk to the front of the runway.  Everyone seems so far away.

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    Why can't I get (none / 0) (#183)
    by addy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:53:30 PM EST
    that Spongebob episode out of my head. You know, where they play in the arena for Squidward and his snotty friend passes out.
    "The winner takes all...." Kapow! Fireworks!

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    BTD (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:09:43 PM EST
    are you kidding or serious?

    The message has been mixed. One story said that he was sticking to the hopey/changey thingy and the other said that he was going to do policy.

    I expect Obama to follow Clinton's (none / 0) (#85)
    by waldenpond on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:23:38 PM EST
    and do serious.  There has to be some kind of cohesive message.  The Clinton's did 'Dem and policy' and 'vote for Obama.  Biden did 'McCain bad' and 'vote for Obama'.  Obama needs to bring it around... policy, McCain and ask for votes.  Hope/Change just doesn't fit if he's trying to shake the rock star image and be taken seriously on policy.

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    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:27:05 PM EST
    but this whole arena rock thing certainly isn't helping. I'm wondering if the message will get drowned out by everything else that is going on.

    And who gives Bill Richardson a better spot than Al Gore? Whoever planned this needs their head examined.

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    heh, rockstar the new politics, (5.00 / 0) (#65)
    by thereyougo on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:16:39 PM EST
    guess I'm getting too old?

    Like we can't get attention unless theres a headliner?

    Obama's Change theme includes religion. Man George Bush has changed this country.

    I'm actually not tuning to any of it,in I want to see results more than hear about it.

    The thing awaiting the next president is a huge cleanup.

    I still miss Hillary and haven't gotten over it. :(

    Remote Control (5.00 / 0) (#66)
    by JimWash08 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:17:06 PM EST
    BTD, what do you make of this? I don't think it's been played on national TV before. It looks like it was released yesterday.

    To me, this is strangest ad yet to come out from the McCain campaign.

    Sinister? Maybe. Damning? You bet.

    Hopefully his speech tonight will clarify some of the things that were said in that ad. It better be really meaty.

    I knew (5.00 / 0) (#82)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:22:58 PM EST
    they were going to use Obama's statements against him. It's like taking candy from a baby on that one.

    The Biden clip is really bad. He is absolutely resolved in that clip that Obama is not qualified to be President.

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    The worst by far was Obama himself (5.00 / 0) (#124)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:37:37 PM EST
    in that ad.  The ummms, the uhhhs, the odd pauses  that just sound like he doesn't believe what he is saying.  I think he has corrected that more lately.

    But at least he was doing his urban Northern professor voice, not his Southern gospel preacher voice.

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    I don't think it is strange (5.00 / 0) (#114)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:34:30 PM EST
    It is the issue, in my view.

    BTW, what happened to Chris Dodd?  I haven't seen him in a long time. Isn't he riding the pony?

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    Under the bus (none / 0) (#172)
    by Brookhaven on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:27:36 PM EST
    with the rest of us but not in the same section.  He's in the section under the bus for those bad boyz and grrls who did something unethical and/or hypocritical.  In Dodd's case, both. Here

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    Did you mean strongest?? (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by K Lynne on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:11:55 PM EST
    I didn't see anything strange at all in it.  

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    People seem to forget (5.00 / 0) (#106)
    by janarchy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:31:36 PM EST
    that people come for the music and tune out the politics. It's like the Concerts for Change 4 yrs ago -- it was supposed to be a get out the vote/vote for Kerry-Edwards things, but plenty of Republicans and Indys for Bush showed up just because they wanted to see REM or whoever else was on the ticket.

    I wrote a term paper about this on grad school -- questioning the point of all the big Live Aid type concerts at the time. Yes, they raise a lot of money for the cause (assuming they're not free) but do they really have any effect on most of the audience. Not to mention the fact that what message is might not be so great but people will ignore it just to see a singer/band they love. How many U2 fans really give a d@mn about 95% of Bono's causes?

    Biggest crowd for a Dem pol (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:39:14 PM EST
    and bigger than Obama's was the 77,000 for Kerry.  And that was only a couple of weeks before the election.

    It was cooler, too, because it was in the streets.

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    And sadly, look where that got him (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by janarchy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:42:52 PM EST
    I remember that one though. I watched it on C-Span and thought Kerry had actually connected with the voters and was kicking some ass (at least I think that was the speech I remember reacting to that way)

    The problem with this is it's all too easily parodied, and as I pointed out to someone this morning who threw a tantrum when I mentioned the bit about Britney's set designer as being another salvo for McCain because it was a non-issue (but apparently harping about McCain's houses is important) -- I would feel this way whether I supported Obama as a candidate or not. There are some things which are just stupid, excessive and asking for trouble. This whole spectacle would be one of them.

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    But it worked. Kerry won Madison. (none / 0) (#137)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:47:02 PM EST
    Of course, he was going to win Madison, anyway.

    I know Obama is in trouble in Colorado, but was he not going to win trendy, latte-loving Denver?

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    Preaching to the faithfull? (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by janarchy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:54:46 PM EST
    Sadly, given the current emphasis on Faith and Religion in the campaign, that's probably a bad idiom to use.

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    bin laden (none / 0) (#167)
    by Ovah on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:23:47 PM EST

    released a video a couple of days after Kerry's big gathering that squelched the positive effect of his speech.

    amazing how you can see this moment, almost 80,000 people gathered to support the Democrat's nominee, as a negative.

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    Amazing how you can see (none / 0) (#186)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:12:07 PM EST
    only what you want to see.  Apparently need to see.

    I see realities.  The commenter stated that it was the largest political rally ever.  It was not.  Now, if you saw hundreds of thousands there tonight . . . you might get yourself checked.  And not just by an optometrist.

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    get your glasses (none / 0) (#187)
    by Ovah on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:14:22 PM EST

    or have someone read it to you. I wrote 80,000 and never mentioned 100,000.

    ...and by all reports the crowd for Obama was 84,000 and Kerry's was 77,000, just sayin.

    if anyone needs to get checked it's the person who is making over 80 posts in one day...whoa, maybe not just get checked but maybe get out of the house once in a while. I'm sure your family is worried about you.

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    No! Not "Let the Sun Shine In" for Gore (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:45:50 PM EST
    Do the people doing the musical selections know anything?  Not the song for the foe of global warming.

    This now has become comedy.

    Let the sun shine on solar collectors? n/t (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by jawbone on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:49:27 PM EST


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    And just in case anyone watching (none / 0) (#150)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:02:19 PM EST
    missed that terrible song choice as Mr. Global Warming entered, they're repeating it to send him on his way, too.  

    And as long as it's canned music, why not keep playing it during all these downtimes between bands and speakers?  The crowd is getting restless.

    Oh oh, the C-Span camera pan just showed sections of empty seats.

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    Entertainment? (none / 0) (#6)
    by TChris on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:58:08 PM EST
    Apart from drawing viewers who otherwise would pay zero attention to politics, the point is to entertain the crowd until the speaking starts.  And as far as I can tell, they're doing a good job.  Have some fun, BTD.

    As Bill Clinton said (5.00 / 6) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:59:59 PM EST
    We, Democrats, have work to do.

    All the cable stations are giving you free airtime to get out your message.

    And the message tonight is Sheryl Crow singing?

    Sorry, no sale Chris.

    This is pretty freaking stupid.

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    I like the music. (none / 0) (#16)
    by TChris on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:02:47 PM EST
    And a lot more people will tune in to watch Sheryl Crow than Tim Kaine.  This makes a lot of marketing sense to me.

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    But that is the point (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:03:38 PM EST
    Their tuning in to watch Sheryl Crow does nothing for Democrats for next November.

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    Sheryl Crow (5.00 / 0) (#28)
    by JimWash08 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:06:27 PM EST
    After she finished singing, she merely shouted, "Obama" and left. -laughs- It was so weird and random. I'm not sure she'll get a bump .... in her record sales though.

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    Quite. (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Landulph on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:22:02 PM EST
    We already heard two rock stars who did more for the Democratic cause--and their names were "Clinton." Big difference, no?

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    Per CNN, RNC will be all (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:06:05 PM EST
    country music.  Get it?  Better?

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    Worse (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:07:42 PM EST
    And I doubt they will waste much time not blasting Obama as a Commie Muslim.

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    Too negative. Get on board. (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:09:22 PM EST


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    When addressing (none / 0) (#144)
    by cal1942 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:56:33 PM EST
    a risk averse people, negative works.

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    It's a loss leader. (none / 0) (#33)
    by TChris on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:07:27 PM EST
    It gets people to tune in.  Some of them will stay and listen to the speeches. And that will help in November.

    Meanwhile, McCain is "struggling" to give away tickets to fill a 10,000 seat stadium next week.

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    Would anyone actually tune in (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by litigatormom on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:12:11 PM EST
    for the music?  Really?

    I guess I've really gotten old.

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    That's what youtube is for. (none / 0) (#86)
    by Fabian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:24:21 PM EST
    Someone posted a really old DEVO concert back when they were just starting out.  It was film, not video.  The quality was shaky, but it was a piece of history.

    And if your fave artist is popular - there's concerts galore on Utoob.  No crowds, no cigarette smoke, no reeking bathrooms...  And cheap, too!

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    It's the same rationale (5.00 / 3) (#51)
    by lentinel on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:12:43 PM EST
    for artists who mix in a little commercial crap here and there supposedly to expose people to "art" who would not otherwise pay attention to it.

    What it actually does is expose people to commercial crap.
    It ends there.

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    Bingo (none / 0) (#182)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:51:00 PM EST
    Decades of Boston Pops concerts never sold a single ticket to the Boston Symphony, as far as I ever heard.

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    Uh, a loss leader is used (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:22:58 PM EST
    to get people in to sell them something they really don't want.

    Maybe rethink that term.

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    Exactly (none / 0) (#146)
    by cal1942 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:58:47 PM EST


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    How could they possibly be tied (none / 0) (#84)
    by Grace on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:23:31 PM EST
    in the polls?  McCain can't even fill 10,000 seats while Obama sells out 75,000?  It just doesn't make sense.  

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    Sure it does. The likely voters (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:27:12 PM EST
    are the least likely to go to rock concerts.  If it's a likely-voter poll, there it is.

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    Let's put Sheryl Crow on the ballot then (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:09:12 PM EST
    or at least put her in prime time, not Kaine.

    The tradition of Dem mismanagement of prime time has held true again this week for nights one and three.  Night two was better.  We'll see how this one goes.

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    I have to wonder. (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:13:24 PM EST
    The audience he needs to attract would need to be watching cable. The only part on network is the speech. They may only see all the concert footage in the McCain commercials and news highlights.

    Do seniors really care about Crow/The Boss/and friends? What about working class men? Hispanics?

    Here we have a Jets/Eagles (PA!NJ!) game to watch at the same time, as well as the Giants/Pats (NJ!)!

    If the idea, as they claim, is to bring more voters in and get them working to take back . . I mean elect Obama, shouldn't they have planned something for the over 35 set where they need to increase their numbers? He's doing the same thing with the women's vote. Going after younger women for recruiting.

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    I am waaaay over 35 (none / 0) (#76)
    by TChris on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:20:43 PM EST
    And I like the music.  It's not like us older folks refuse to listen to or enjoy any music made after 1975.

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    So am I, but I still think this was (5.00 / 0) (#91)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:27:12 PM EST
    planned with the youth in mind. The whole spectacle may end up outweighing the meatiness of the speech. Especially if the "meat" isn't anything new or more straight forward.

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    OK, but Stevie Wonder is on now. (none / 0) (#120)
    by TChris on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:35:52 PM EST
    So it's a diverse lineup that has something for everyone -- just like the Democratic Party -- including older folk, particularly with Springsteen wrapping it up.

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    Another mention of Springsteen (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:40:46 PM EST
    makes me wonder.  Did he change his mind, and he is going to be there?  Or is there a rumor that he only said he wasn't going to be there, and he will be as a big surprise?

    Word was that he was spotted in your state today, T.

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    Don't see him on the schedule (none / 0) (#136)
    by BernieO on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:46:33 PM EST


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    acustic set I think I heard? (none / 0) (#139)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:49:20 PM EST


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    Maybe not. (none / 0) (#162)
    by TChris on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:15:07 PM EST
    The well-placed source that had Springsteen performing was wrong if Springsteen is in fact in Milwaukee.

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    Diversity is the hobgoblin of little minds. (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:24:41 PM EST
    So it's a diverse lineup that has something for everyone

    This campaign has been squeezed through one too many focus groups.

    Where's the beef?


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    I did not like his first song. (none / 0) (#125)
    by BernieO on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:37:39 PM EST
    This one is more like it.

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    I liked the first song, but a different style. (none / 0) (#133)
    by jawbone on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:45:06 PM EST
    PBS has person on saying tonight's speech will be more "nuts and bolts," and thematic approach. Says will be great, that Obama comes through in a pinch.

    AL GORE! Oh, our lost president!

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    Yes - it is for the grassroots workers that showed (5.00 / 0) (#93)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:27:35 PM EST
    up and have to sit there for hours before the main event.  I'm sure they appreciate it.  Me, in my home, I can do something else.

    And I must say how happy I am Kaine was not the VP selection. I don't need lectures on faith, thank you very much.

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    Goal (none / 0) (#17)
    by OpinionatedOldFart on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:03:15 PM EST
    Organizing and motivating 70,000 people to help win Colorado.  And, that ain't chopped liver.

    Sheryl Crow does that? (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:04:08 PM EST


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    The goal better be to win period. I'm sure (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Teresa on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:05:13 PM EST
    the people in Ohio and PA don't care as much about music right now as health care and jobs. A little is okay but this is wasting time.

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    I believe the message will be that (none / 0) (#29)
    by Redshoes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:06:36 PM EST
    Obama (and you) are the American Dream.

    I'm watching Shear Genius rerun... (none / 0) (#30)
    by Maria Garcia on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:06:54 PM EST
    ...what are the cable channels doing? I'm so sick of those talking head maroons. I don't think I'll switch over from Bravo until Al Gore speaks.

    I'm sue its better live. (none / 0) (#59)
    by Maria Garcia on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:13:58 PM EST


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    where are you, (none / 0) (#63)
    by ccpup on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:16:15 PM EST
    Dalton?

    (just to give you the fantastic opportunity to say it again)

    :-)

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    Do you think anyone but us junkies are watching (none / 0) (#36)
    by steviez314 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:08:02 PM EST
    this right now?

    Nope (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Redshoes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:11:15 PM EST
    There's football on NBC and ABC.  There goes that crowd!

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    CBS and NBC here (none / 0) (#62)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:15:48 PM EST
    Eagles/Jets and Giants/Pats. And yes, that's what I have on!

    Heh, hope they planned for overtime ;)

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    Jags/ Redskins and Vikes/ Cowboys here (none / 0) (#155)
    by BrianJ on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:10:53 PM EST
    And the latter is only now getting to halftime.  Oh well, it's not like there's a swing state within 600 miles anyway.

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    And on (none / 0) (#157)
    by cal1942 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:12:00 PM EST
    ESPN, ESPN2 and Fox Sports we have college football.

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    Ah karma (5.00 / 0) (#98)
    by Redshoes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:29:06 PM EST
    just flip through to the cables and they're screeching (to be heard) over the music.  They're gonna have such headaches tomorrow morning!

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    I dunno (none / 0) (#53)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:13:03 PM EST
    Are all junkies decided on who they are going to vote for?

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    You ever buy a concert ticket because (none / 0) (#68)
    by steviez314 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:17:43 PM EST
    of the warmup act?

    The early stuff is for the faithful.  Gore is for the interested.  Obama is for the undecided.

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    So (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:22:58 PM EST
    The Convention has been a waste of time except for Obama's speech? Just following your theory here.

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    Speaking for me only (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:29:52 PM EST
    yes, it was a waste, because I love the roll call.  The complete roll call.  The silly speeches by every state about its state.  Each and every state.

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    Of course not. (none / 0) (#158)
    by steviez314 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:12:54 PM EST
    But be honest. The non-prime time speeches  (which are only on C-SPAN in full) are just not seen by that many voters.  Sure, they need to be good and set a narrative, but mostly so the talking heads repeat the narrative.

    The prime time speeches are what will be remembered by the undecided voters.

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    Precisely (none / 0) (#153)
    by cal1942 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:08:15 PM EST
    I'm with you on this BTD. This is extraordinarily foolish.

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    No. (none / 0) (#54)
    by themomcat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:13:14 PM EST
    Can't watch this any more than I will watch the Repugs next week. I'm more addicted to "Law & Order" re-runs and blogging with you folks. ;-)

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    Yeh, even reruns look more "fresh" (5.00 / 0) (#70)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:19:01 PM EST
    than this.  And I'm offended by the use of a Beatles song before, ugh, Bill Richardson.  At least that Beatles song.  I have another that would have been apt, but if I name it, I would get deleted.

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    Glad I missed it.. ;-) (none / 0) (#83)
    by themomcat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:23:20 PM EST


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    I'm not watching (none / 0) (#95)
    by janarchy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:27:50 PM EST
    Which Beatles song?

    Gregory Peck and Charlton Heston as cowboys are much more fun tonight. (The Big Country on TCM)

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    A friend and I were laughing at the TCM movie (5.00 / 2) (#122)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:37:12 PM EST
    choices this week.  They had 'Psycho' on opposite Hillary, and 'Some Like it Hot" opposite Bill.  Not sure what the movie is later tonight.

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    "A Hard Day's Night" was played (none / 0) (#104)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:30:59 PM EST
    but are you asking which one ought to have been played for Bill Richardson?  And no, not "Hey Jude.":-)

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    Ugh (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by janarchy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:33:24 PM EST
    Of course, now I've got visions of Bill Richardson being chased by hordes of crazed women through a train station as the song plays (although I don't think it's out of adulation...PUMAs maybe?)

    I meant which one WAS played but now I am curious about what you thought should be played.

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    Okay, now I'll get deleted (5.00 / 3) (#147)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:59:34 PM EST
    for being so not hopey-changey.  But the perfect lead-in for Richardson would be "Nowhere Man." :-)

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    D'oh (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by janarchy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:38:10 PM EST
    This proves I'm just not all here today to miss that one completely. Good one!

    Of course, to me, the whole convention just screams "Won't Get Fooled Again" at me, but there I go again being negative.

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    Perspective shift... (none / 0) (#173)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:33:05 PM EST
    Gregory Peck and Charlton Heston as cowboys are much more fun tonight. (The Big Country on TCM)

    My favorite scene: the last fight, which begins Peck v. Heston, mano a mano, flesh, fists, and flailing.  The camera pulls back, back, and further back.  The dueling giants become smaller and smaller, finally receding into insignificance, a pair of specks on the horizon.  That was a great scene.

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    You better (none / 0) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:16:34 PM EST
    hope not.

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    Some of us junkies are enjoying (none / 0) (#72)
    by BarnBabe on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:19:09 PM EST
    the commentary on this thread. Probably more laughs. I will tune in later, but I've been to Sinatra, Stones, Billy Joel/Elton and the Beach Boys to name a few back when I lived in San Diego. Sheryl Crow is nice but where is Bruce? Isn't he going to be here tonight?  

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    No Bruce - hope you enjoyed Sheryl (none / 0) (#102)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:30:32 PM EST


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    Bruce is here in my town (none / 0) (#118)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:35:33 PM EST
    for the Harley anniversary.  Him, the E-Street Band, and 100,000 bikers.  It's a great show even on our streets, and especially at Miller Park tonight.  That's the stadium that ought to be on national tv.  And tonight's show isn't even the one with The Boss.  But word is out that he was spotted coming into town.  Probably to get a special tour of the new Harley museum.  

    As ever, the best show is the Harley parade, though.  It goes on for hours.  And the specialty bikes are something to see.  My fave is the one that looks like a buffalo -- buffalo head and all.

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    Hey, what night is Bruce? (none / 0) (#127)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:39:41 PM EST
    I'm heading up to your general neck of the woods this weekend - Rockford IL - to see my Dad. Might have to look into a detour!

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    Saturday night (none / 0) (#132)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:44:37 PM EST
    but long, long sold out for the whole, long, freeky weekend.  No single-night seats; Harley Fest brings folks from all over the world, so they don't need to break out the single-night seats.

    But I bet there's some on Craigslist, EBay, etc.

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    And E-Street Band set on Friday (none / 0) (#161)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:15:01 PM EST
    without Bruce, as billed.  But we have seen that before, when he has dropped in for a few numbers, anyway.  Just in case you can't do Saturday.

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    Just Bill Richardson's fans and (none / 0) (#73)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:19:29 PM EST
    not-so-much fans.

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    I'm watching the US Open (none / 0) (#48)
    by smott on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:11:22 PM EST
    Serena's kicken' azz....

    me 2 :o) (none / 0) (#67)
    by thereyougo on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:17:31 PM EST


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    I like Gore's speech the best so far (none / 0) (#143)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:56:17 PM EST
    I think he outdid the Clintons in substance.  Not in emotion though.

    Meaning emotional context (none / 0) (#145)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:57:14 PM EST
    of the situation, to clarify.  Would not expect him to bring the Clintons' feelings to this situation.

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    Love Al Gore but... (none / 0) (#168)
    by Romberry on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:24:19 PM EST
    ...that wasn't his best speech. He delivered it well, but it seemed somehow perfunctory to me.

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    And certainly (none / 0) (#163)
    by cal1942 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:15:36 PM EST
    not in delivery.

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    On this historic night. The anniversary (none / 0) (#174)
    by LatinoVoter on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:37:19 PM EST
    of the "I have a Dream" speech and the night Barack Obama accepts the nomination and becomes the first black nominee from a major party-on CBS the cast of Big Brother10 evicts the only black male this season.

    Those racist.

    Sorry... (none / 0) (#184)
    by kredwyn on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:53:33 PM EST
    not watching. It's Thursday before Labor Day weekend. I'm on holiday...and company is coming tomorrow.

    The cat and I have had an awesome evening listening to podcasts of ghost stories...her napping...me knitting.

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