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[sorry to be so dim, but I haven't been able to figure it out yet]
I'm on the edge but the speech didn't do it for me tonight.
I'm on the edge because I'm a Democrat. I'm waiting for something to sell me on the Obama/Biden ticket.
I'll admit I like having Biden on the ticket but I'm not sure, exactly, how much an Obama administration would allow him to do.
So, I still wait...
Am I still angry? Very. The DNC, Dean, Pelosi, all those people, they can forget getting any help or respect from me. I want to punish them for not standing up when they should have during these primaries. But Obama is a Democrat, he supports what I support for the most part and he is right...John McCain doesn't get it. I don't want to look back in four years and feel guilty that I sat at home and allowed our country to go further down the drain. Parent
I don't know about an epiphany, but I'm hoping he is starting to get it. I hope that Joe Biden has been a calming influence on him & took him aside and said look man, you gotta give the Clintons some props & be more partisan or we're going to lose - sort of the father figure rather than the hyperventilating 20 somethings. I do firmly believe you can't beat Republicans at being Republicans.
Another idea that has popped in to my head is that a certain group kept a wall between the Obamas & the Clintons. You know, like a guy (sorry guys!) who makes sure his new wife hates the ex-wife so they don't get together & compare notes, but somehow they do & realize that each other aren't so bad & that he's the butt head :) Parent
I'm always left with a dream unfulfilled. Gore and Hillary. Maybe Obama will win and be a pleasant surprise. Without huge expectations, we won't be as disappointed as his worshipful supporters, right? Parent
At any rate, we don't always get what we want...
;-) Parent
This was his "I told you so" speech, and he deserved it. Parent
I'm really confused about why they didn't give him a more prominent speaking spot, though. Maybe we just have too many rock stars in this party. Parent
If you truly are issues oriented, you have to become somewhat non-partisan. That's why issues oriented voters can be both a party's base and the thorn in their side. Parent
You've hit on something. Obama adopted the Clintons as his de facto running mates in this Convention.
I am going to write a post about that tomorrow. Parent
You know I'm in a state that won't count, but I am sure there are many families like mine in states that do matter.
Actually, Biden did help in one big way...he isn't Kaine! Parent
It seems counterintuitive that he could win the Democratic primary by running away from the Clintons and win the general election by running with them, but you can't argue with success. I think it's because, while hardcore Democrats would've liked to see a more liberal President, everybody else was suitably impressed by Bill. That's why 80% of Americans say that he was an above-average President. Parent
Not trying to pick old fights, but the only way to win is to deal with realities. Mythmaking comes after you win. If you win. Parent
It was a good speech though. Funny, I want to support this ticket. There are days that I say ok I will. Then something outlandish happens and I change.
I just hope for more of tonight and more specifics. Parent
Big Wasted Opportunity in that speech? Throwing out some specifics of how things went badly for people in the twelve years of Reagan and Bush the First. Deficits, more income inequality, more real taxes on the middle class, etc.--lots of material there, use some of it. THEN TALK ABOUT HOW THAT TURNED AROUND WHEN WE HAD EIGHT YEARS OF A DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION.
Obama isn't running against Clinton any more.
--This would please a gazillion people in the stadium and in their homes.
--It would make him look magnanimus, and like he IS real with the unity program.
--It would make good STORY.
--It's catchy. It's not boring boilerplate. Not now--we haven't been hearing this for eighteen months, "blah blah Bush Bush". I don't want to hear about Bush ever again. Nobody does. This would be fresh, believe me.
But he can't do it. It would stick in his throat to do that. See the David Maraniss article in yesterday's WaPo. Parent
I was expecting an historic speech! A riveting speech! Something that would make me sit up and pay attention!
And it felt like "more of the same."
That's why I was disappointed it had no take-away lines and didn't really say anything about MLK. I wanted something you could grasp onto, something you could take away from the speech.
Obama didn't give that up! Parent
The problem again is hit lack of humor. He comes off stoic and presidential (good, yes) but his seriousness does not let people that are not already his followers truly relate to him. Just my take. I'm voting for him and I think he gives a good speech. I liked both Clinton speeches better and even Biden's and Michelle's despite, or possibly because of, their heart and their faults. Parent
The militaristic dogwhistles (let's use more tax dollars to go get Bin Laden woohoo) the religion... the energy policy dogwhistles... nope, not buying it. The party is moving in a direction I won't follow and is not pushing policies I want. The platform is too broad and shallow. I can't get a handle on one thing the party is committed to. Parent
I worry that the Dem candidate is promising "a chicken in every pot" when that can't possibly be promised at this time.
Eight years ago, America was in a fairly strong position. We've gone from that to a compromised position. Bush's tax cuts hurt us, but what hurt us more was unbridled credit offered by the Federal Reserve. They printed too much money and they gave it away too cheaply. On top of that, there was no regulation to prevent jobs from moving offshore and no regulation to stop the issuance of HB1 visas -- so we have tons of jobs in this country that aren't available to plain old Americans.
Both Obama and McCain talk but I don't see the depth of knowledge I would like to see on the economy.
Economy is very important to me, even though I have hardly anything invested in US dollars. Parent
I just can't bring myself to burn the village (collateral damage) in order to save it.
But the idea that the noble experiment that is our republic, constitutional government, fails on my watch deeply saddens me. Parent
But, to be honest, I haven't really decided yet. I can still be sold on the Dem ticket. More specifics on policy measures would help. I'd also like to know what Joe Biden is going to do in the next administration (cuz I like and trust Joe).
Up until I vote, I can still be sold. I'm not convinced on anyone this year -- which is really rare for me.
I do dislike the lack of experience Obama offers. That's my #1 reason for not voting for him and it will take a lot to overcome that. But maybe he'll anounce that Hillary would be his Secretary of State and then I'd be back to being a Dem once again. :) Parent
He says nobody is introducing Obama (like Kerry's war buddies last time) except his family in a personal way. Because nobody knows him.
I've read a lot about him, and I think there is some truth to that--he doesn't have a lot of friends. It is kind of different.
Today, it's Martinez 48%, Diaz-Balart 46%. The outcome is within the survey's 4.0 percentage point margin of sampling error and is not statistically significant. The contest is and should be described at this hour as effectively even. [. . .] Cubans living in the 21st District back Diaz-Balart by 42 points. Non-Cuban Hispanics back Martinez by 19 points. White voters, who are in the minority in this district, break 5:4 for Martinez. Half of voters in Florida 21 see the economy as the most important issue facing Congress. Voters focused on the economy break 4:3 Democrat. Diaz-Balart holds 84% of Republicans. Martinez holds 81% of Democrats. Independents break 3:2 for the Democrat. Moderates break 3:2 for the Democrat.
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Cubans living in the 21st District back Diaz-Balart by 42 points. Non-Cuban Hispanics back Martinez by 19 points. White voters, who are in the minority in this district, break 5:4 for Martinez. Half of voters in Florida 21 see the economy as the most important issue facing Congress. Voters focused on the economy break 4:3 Democrat. Diaz-Balart holds 84% of Republicans. Martinez holds 81% of Democrats. Independents break 3:2 for the Democrat. Moderates break 3:2 for the Democrat.
Moreover, Obama and McCain are tied in the district 48/48. It went for Bush over Gore by almost 16 and Bush over Kerry by 14.
This makes me wonder just how much of a lock McCain really has on Florida.
The poll you show is from Miami-Dade, a county that leans Democrat but particular areas such as the one you mention that have been strongly republican in the past. As George Bush might say, I am beginning to see a tide turn. Parent
In any case, Obama's big problem is that he's going to be obliterated in N and NW FL. (AKA, the south. . .) Parent
The Mason Dixon poll also looks like it underrepresented South Florida where Obama will get most of his popular vote strength. Parent
After the Republican convention, I am interested to see whether Ohio or Florida is closer in the polls. Parent
And I really am surprised by the stability of the tie in Virginia. It hasn't budged for weeks. I wonder what it will take to make it move. Lots of military there, so lots of McCain with POWs on TV? Parent
See what Obama and much of the left doesn't get is that when you slam a former decorated soldier, they all take it personally. They all have been looking for terrorists over there. Having failed to catch him isn't for lack of trying. People are killing themselves trying to find him. Maybe he should have shown some appreciation for that instead of trying to make a point in a very stupid way.
Further, in that speech tonight he displayed absolutely NO understanding of what we are facing in Afghanistan. That doesn't sit well with those of us that have work there. Parent
I say what I say because I do have the war experience that you may not. And that is a fact. It matters to those of use who are running around Iraq and Afghanistan.
I am not voting for McCain. I probably won't vote for Obama though because I am CONCERNED he doesn't know what he is doing when it comes to foreign policy.
The fact is however, the military is NOT comfortable with McCain for the reasons I have been pointing out. Parent
But I find it more than a tad ironic for Obama supporters to call those who criticize him "Republicans" when Obama himself has gone out of his way to "reach across the aisle," to have Republicans nominate him, "no Blue, no Red, we're Americans!"
I'm a Democrat. I don't like Obama because I haven't seen much evidence that he supports Democratic values (and, you know, that whole other laundry list of reasons I don't like him, which I will not repeat here).
I haven't had a chance to watch the speech yet (I worked late) but it's going to take more than one speech to convince me to vote for him.
And no, I won't be voting for McCain, no way, no how, no chance in hell. Parent
True dissenters have no party, no polls. They have principles. You will learn that. Dissenters are the best of us. Parent
With the attention Va is getting this year, I'd bet on huge turnout. I just don't know about the military vote. My niece (Army wife) swears they all worship McCain but I've read Obama gets a lot of donations from them. It will in interesting if we are up really late waiting on Va like we did with Webb. That was a fun night. Parent
In any case, Bill Clinton won Boucher's district twice, even while losing Virginia as a whole. Mark Warner won it in 2001, and will win it again this year. Parent
I wish I knew why my third of the state is so red. It may just be the demographics of the state.
We also have different accents than the rest of the state. It's strange but you can always tell when someone is from the Nashville or Memphis area by their accent. We have a much stronger accent...kind of hillbilly. Parent
Anyway, isn't the Memphis accent essentially a Mississippi accent? Tennessee is the state where the south and Appalachia collide. It can make for some bizarre political coalitions. Parent
Plus, we are in a different time zone from the rest of the state. When I lived in upper East Tn, we could get to Pa almost as fast as Memphis. I think it's a little over 500 miles from one end to the other. Parent
I'm gonna hit the sack so I can get up to McCain's big news tomorrow. I wonder if they can keep it a secret until noon? It's like they want to one up Obama since his surprise didn't work. It's funny that they are all going to be together when he names one of them (or so I read). Parent
(I'm still skeptical of Obama's chances there...) Parent
I'll be canning all weekend, with lots of cooking involved. Have 10lbs of green beans and 20lbs of tomatoes showing up tomorrow along with a boatload of corn and fresh seafood. And who knows what I will be picking up on Saturday at the CSA, lol!~ Thankfully, my "5th burner" showed up yesterday, so I can use that as a dedicated canning station. My slow cooker will be in use along with the stove, grill and convection oven. We've been blessed with cool weather the last couple weeks, so slaving over a hot stove has been much more pleasant :)
I'll tell you one problem with this weather: it gets too cold at night for the AC to stay on, and I like to sleep COLD. Parent
I've been keeping my AC on low/sleep cycle at night as allergy season came early, so no open windows at night right now. Plus I'm on the top floor, so the apt does warm up a bit. I can suck up the Con Ed costs easier than feeling like crap and having my poor eyes a mess every morning (which makes working hard!). The days have just been amazing strolling with the dog :) Parent
I need to look into/test freezing grilled seafood and such. I usually grill enough to save in the fridge for salads during the week,but want to see how it holds up to freezing. Some things that they say are fine, I don't love after they've been frozen. Parent
I always loved cooking and grew up with a mom who did who also raised our produce, baked our breads etc. I find putzing around the kitchen relaxing and I'm thoroughly enjoying the local food lifestyle :) Parent
I do like seafood but I don't like it with freezer burn. How do you prevent freezer burn? Parent
The internet really helps when trying to learn some of this stuff, along with cable teevee. It gives you a chance to research at leisure and work it into your life and sched at your own pace. Also gives you a chance to research chefs and their books, cooking styles etc so you can learn at your own pace and style. I really like the simple food methods that highlight the food items. After all, I'm getting them straight from the farm, etc, so might as well enjoy their exceptional goodness! Parent
I no longer cook.:-) I appear to love work more than food. Parent
I set aside cooking days and always make enough to have some leftovers in the fridge and some frozen meals. Comes in darn handy and there's no question about what's in your food :) Parent
Her life seemed to be more interesting and more colorful than either Barack Obama or his father. It seems obvious that if she had stayed dutifully married to his father that Barack's life and hers would have turned out very differently and probably for the worse. Parent
Frankly, this line tonight is 'way too ambiguous again. I define that as the sort of line that I can hear from the fundies. Heck, Huckabee could have said this. (And I think he did.) Parent
Hell, the pundits on CNN aren't drinking Kool-aid, they're shooting it straight into their genitalia. I guess it's nice for once our side gets that kinda treatment, but Good God, it is ugly and venal and won't convince a soul. And Wolf mentioning Barack's race every two seconds is not only damaging, but stupid. If this election comes down to Obama's race, then we will have the shelf life of a joint at a Phish concert electorally. At least I don't have to feel bad about not having MSNBO, as CNN is cornering the market on Obama love.
Again, solid speech, even quite good, but it wasn't notably better than Kerry's or Gore's or Clinton or Dukakis', so I wish CNN would just STFU because they are not helping us with this drivel they're spewing.
I do feel better about Sen. Obama tonight, and now will probably vote for him (although in WA that shouldn't matter, Barack should win here by 6, that's what Kerry did) but my differences with the DNC and especially the vermin like Dean and Brazille are irreconcilable. They had better hope their man wins, because they will be banished to the badlands if they choke on what should have been an easy victory. And I'll be there with the Nelson "Ha Ha" when they beg for water. :)
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Just so we all understand what we are talking about here.
I think McCain may go "different". If Obama hadn't picked Biden, I think he may have been safer and played the experience card for all it was worth. Should be interesting to see which way he plays :) Parent
If you missed the convention, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Obama's acceptance speech were great, but avoid the roll call footage if you want to stay positive. Arrgh about Larry King promoting GOP lies again, seems like the Rs have been getting even bolder lately. Parent
Supposedly directed b the guy who did An Inconvenient Truth.
Maybe that's okay. As has been pointed out, the country is not a corporation, and we're not looking for a CEO. On the other hand, managing the country and the government is much harder than being a CEO, and requires a superset of the skills a CEO needs.
If you work for or own stock in a Fortune 100 company, and the board was choosing between Obama and McCain as the company's next leader, how much confidence would you have in the company's future?
In the past few months, my biggest concern has been with the surburbanite Obamacans I met in my own state, the new Democrats in my party precinct, the progressive poseurs (former Republicans and Iraq War advocates) on our A-list blogs, and the party hacks at work in the DNC. They did not reflect Democratic values - not with principle and certainly not consistently (the rules became teh Roolz). Now, though, I think that the folks Obama brought into the party for the first time may have learned what it is to be a Democrat. Granted, Obama did nothing during the primaries that led me to think he had the sensibility to recognize the perniciousness of sexism in our party. At the least, from his speech, I anticipate that Obama will attempt to remake these new voters into Democrats, and not remake Democrats in the image of Obamacans.
However, there is much work to be done with the misogynists and faux progressives who hold positions of power over the discourse of our party, our media, and - especially - our A-list blogs. Hopefully, talkleft won't go in he direction that it signaled this morning. The bloggers formerly known as A-listers do not have the moral and intellectual honesty to recognize their complicity in the CDS-sexism of the primary season. They are architects of a new left authoritarianism - a new consensus politics of conformity - as crude as that sounds.
For me, this is how the Democratic convention connects with the site's drama this morning. The levers of change in the party are with the dissenters and the resisters (PUMAs, etc.). The leverage is over Obama's moral dignity and Democratic sensibility, not the party leaders or the blogosphere. If talkleft really wants to invigorate our Democratic discourse with original or thoughtful dissent, then talkleft needs to reference more often the emerging voices like Anglachel and others who articulate insightful criticism about the Democratic party that no longer exists in the former A-list sites like TPM, dailykos, Eschaton, and (sadly) Hullabaloo.
A vital discourse will be found in an engagement with the dissent of the new voices arising during the primary (and talkleft's astute commenters). The tired and old discourse - the harmful political discourse - really lies with the easy prey: the propaganda and ideology of sites like TPM, dailykos, and Eschaton. If talkleft has become stale, unoriginal, and unDemocratic, it is because its posters chose to engage the orthodoxy that now reigns supreme on the sites it regards as its old friends.
If he talks the talk for the next two months, and gets elected, will he walk the walk for the next 4-8 years?
Or will he govern in the manner of the overly compliant, neo-Republican Democratic Congress? If so, it will be a failed Presidency and the real GOP will come back in 2012 for another long stint, a la Reagan/Bush.
What are the options? Parent
I never can understand how people get so fixated on people's private parts and private lives. Plus they conveniently overlook the fact that what happened really was a witch hunt, complete with mobs and torches. How many people's lives could stand up to that kind of scrutiny? Parent
I wish I didn't know what I know about how he got the nomination.
And that's all I'm going to say.
And how did he get the nomination? I'd like to know what you know. I voted for him.
#2 Everyone knows today is the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King's speech. We're not stupid. Parent
AA means African American, not Alcoholics Anonymous.
How he got the nomination is by 1.) cheating in the caucuses and 2.) having it handed to him by the DNC. Don't make me go over this yet again.
Someone else gave me that "it's in the past" argument today. My reply? The holocaust, slavery, women's status as chattel, the genocide of Native Americans and any number of evil crimes are also in the past. That does not mean we should forget they ever happened. It means we should remember them to make sure they don't happen again. Parent
For our children, if you like. But for the truth, for everyone. Parent
We Will Not Be Silenced Parent
He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.
For once, do think about that, and in the context of the caucuses and primaries and the DNC, before replying here. Parent
This is the way it is. Right here. Right now.
If I were forced to assign "evil" to one candidate, that candidate would have to be McCain. That assignment of "evil" would be based upon McCain's support of Abu Ghraib and all the innocent people killed in Iraq, and the United States Military that was denied adequate protection and support because there wasn't enough money because the oil companies needed the money more, according to McCain. Parent
"But John McCain is worse" is not a relevant argument in this debate. Parent
The longer we think we only have 2 parties, the longer we only have 2 dominating parties and lack of choice. Parent
I liked Hillary, but now that she's not in the running, I need to go with the platform that is closest to my values, not the one I'm "told" to go with. Especially if I don't think the candidate is invested that platform. Sheepism got us to where we are today. Nothing more, nothing less, imo. Parent
Remember, the other night when Hillary said something like, "Were you voting for me or were you voting for the issues?"
Do some soul searching. Please. Cuz I don't believe Hillary and Obama are so very far apart. Parent
I also have serious issues with the party and how this went down. Which I am no longer a part of. You don't need to be part of the religious right, which Obama is courting, to know right from wrong. Parent
This blog is not kind to willfully stupid people, and you will soon be gone.
Bye. Parent
Really, trotting out kids is like referencing Hitler, and warrants a 5 point deduction from the judges. Parent
Not sure who you are or why you are here. Perplexing is an understatement. However, to not know just how close this race was and how the Rulz Committee hand delivered the nomination to Obama is unbelievable. You say you voted for Obama in the primary and that is all that matters. What about the 18+ million voters who voted for Hillary Clinton? I guess they just don't matter to you. Afterall, it is all about the "children." Parent
Everything else matters. It does. You've pointed out to me that I've made a personal choice to try to make the world a better place for those who follow me. I guess it's because I have a child. I see beyond me. I could never be happy if my child wasn't happy. I believe it is my responsibility to make this world a safer, better place for my child.
If you want to suck everything up in this world and not leave adequate resources behind for my child, I guess this is your right.
"Further, you actually let a child decide for whom you would vote?"
No, I didn't let the child decide. I decided. I wasn't sure. I couldn't decipher the difference. I met this child, and I wanted a bright future for him. I started listening carefully to what he had to say. Comparing Hillary and Obama. Hillary was old Washington. More of the same, I decided. Obama was Illinois. And Harvard Law Review. I thought he could speak for me. And that kid.
"Not sure who you are or why you are here. Perplexing is an understatement. However, to not know just how close this race was and how the Rulz Committee hand delivered the nomination to Obama is unbelievable."
I know how close this race was. I really didn't care. As I stated previously, I couldn't decipher that much difference between the candidates. I couldn't.
I decided not to pay that much attention. I kind of gave up. After those voting machines in Ohio. But Obama gave me hope. He did. Hillary was like "I'll do the best for you that I can, under the circumstances," but Obama was like change. Something new.
Yeah, I know, I'm taking a risk. But now the choice is between Obama and McCain. I'm going to go with Obama. Shake up the status quo. You know what I mean? Parent
The big thing that puts kids at risk is poverty. And how do you get poor families? Lack of education and lack of contraception that leads people to have kids too young, too poor, too unprepared. The age of the mother when she had her first child is an excellent predictor of her family's economic status.
In order to "save the children", first you must educate and empower women. Women do better, kids do better. Simple. Works in developing countries and industrial nations. Proven.
So anyone who wants to keep women down, deny them reproductive power - they hurt women, they hurt children. This should be a mantra for any progressive: When women benefit, children benefit. When you lift women up, you lift children up. Parent
I don't know about cheating in caucuses. I don't like caucuses. I much prefer individual voting, electronically, with machines manufactured by non-partisan manufacturers.
Having it handed to him by the DNC? Again, I voted for him in my primary. I did. I couldn't decipher much difference between him and Hillary, it didn't matter much to me who won. They both seemed to be about the same things. It was the children who brought me to Obama's side. Parent
I support Edwards because he is intelligent, quick thinking, strong, decisive, and he doesn't come with all that embarrassing baggage that Republicans love to spend their billions on making attack dog commercials.
BTW, sorry that Edwards did, in fact, come with "all that embarrassing baggage" after all. Parent
I know. Edwards did come with all that embarrassing baggage.
I got fooled again. But maybe, not this time with Obama?
One can only hope. I still have hope. Parent
You're really not doing yourself any favors tonight. Parent
I know, I know, Obama said we are supposed to respect our fellow citizens, but it's really hard for me to summon up any reason to respect you and anything you have to say.
Where is your head at? Parent
Please. If you are unaware of what went on in the caucuses, I'd have to call you a "low-information voter," also if you can discern no difference between him and Hillary.
Look it up, and then come back and have a reasonable informed and intelligent discussion.
Sorry, but personally I have no patience with this. This is the kind of obliviousness that brought us George W. Bush. Parent
I think MLK would be very pleased. Parent
My mistake. I apolgize. Parent
This is totally off topic but I am desperate. Do you have any idea how to put in a horizontal line across the page in Word 2007? I am losing my mind. BTW, I enjoy your cooking tips. Parent
Glad you like the cooking tips! :) Parent
I printed off some of your stuff for my mom today. She is always trying to figure out how to freeze things so that they taste good when they are defrosted. She is a Food Network freak:) I like HGTV a lot.
Ok, back to this stupid document. Why do I always start these things in the middle of the night! Parent
The thing is, almost all large-scale industrial endeavours have a risk of catastrophe. Example: Bhopal, 1984. Sheer negligence, 40 tonnes of methyl isocyanate, 3,000 dead. We don't clamour for an end to the manufacture of pesticides. Why not?
Nuclear is a no-go for me. And there ain't no such thing as truly "clean" coal so I wish Obama would stop that. Parent
Obama said he would not take them off the table if the disposal issues can be addressed (which is extremely unlikely) Parent
Link: some info about nuclear power. Parent
Tonight, Americans witnessed a misleading speech that was so fundamentally at odds with the meager record of Barack Obama. When the temple comes down, the fireworks end, and the words are over, the facts remain: Senator Obama still has no record of bipartisanship, still opposes offshore drilling, still voted to raise taxes on those making just $42,000 per year, and still voted against funds for American troops in harm's way. The fact remains: Barack Obama is still not ready to be President.
Salon.com has a piece up about McCain campaign's comments on the colunade, and a picture of Obama in a toga.
Actually, though, I thought the set and fireworks were fine. Music--not so much. Parent
Seems to me that they revealed their hand a little bit by jumping the gun to issue this statement. I think they know it was a powerful speech. Parent
When I think of the difference between Senator Obama's words and his actions:
Sorry, Senator Obama, words don't sway me, but actions do. Your actions have shown me that I cannot trust your words.