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Nightline Transcript of John Edwards Interview

Here's the transcript of the Nightline interview with John Edwards. (Short video clip from interview here.)

I think it raises more questions than it answers.

Here's the video of Edwards initial denial of the affair.

Thoughts before we put this story to bed?

Update: According to Nightline, Sen. Barack Obama told them today he didn't think either Elizabeth or John Edwards would be attending the Democratic National Convention in Denver.

Update: I have a new theory, outlined below. It's just my speculation and it has nothing to do with Edwards' morality or elections. It's about crime. I orignally put it in the comments but it's too long for a comment. Read it and let me know what you think?

John Edwards made it pretty clear this was a shakedown attempt. He said he told Elizabeth the next morning about the meeting. He said there had been "no resolution" -- that he didn't agree to anything. He also referred several times to Ms. Hunter and Mr. McGovern (or did he mean Andrew Young?) as being "the other two people involved" and said Fred Baron, his campaign finance guy who paid Hunter, had an independent relationship with both Hunter and Young.

Fred Baron, who paid the money, issued a statement to Nightline saying Edwards didn't know about the money he paid to Hunter and that the details of such payments would remain private between Baron, Hunter and the other individuals involved. (Meaning he wasn't going to tell Edwards.)

If this was an extortion attempt, and I now lean towards thinking it was, will the FBI be investigating? Are grand jury subpoenas to Baron and Hunter on the horizon? Have they already been issued?

Edwards said he got the call to meet with McGovern and Hunter that afternoon and he agreed only if McGovern was going to be present as well. He said the meeting request related to Hunter's difficulties. My translation: He knew they were going to ask for money. (This also would explain why he said there had been no resolution.)

Did Edwards call them on their threat by saying "fine, I'll tell the public" to end what would be a never-ending demand for money? Did he take it a step further and go to the FBI and report an extortion attempt? Is a grand jury now investigating? If so, could the Enquirer be under investigation for aiding and abetting extortion? Did the Enquirer pay for Hunter's rooms at the Beverly Hilton?

The affair itself is of no interest to me. This afternoon I was interested in the impact it could have had on the election had Edwards been the nominee or had Obama chosen him for the VP slot. I'm past that. Now my interest is in the possible criminal angle, and I'll repeat "possible." This is speculation on my part.

If John Edwards was being shaken down and decided not to be a victim, that would explain why he's going public now. He and his family shouldn't have to live under that kind of fear. No one should. If that's what happened, then I applaud him (and Elizabeth) for coming forward. They made the right call. The media frenzy will end soon and then they can get on with what really matters -- their efforts to reduce poverty and fix our health care system.

Was Edwards truthful with Nightline? As to what he answered, probably, but I think he's holding back. There's other stuff he's not telling.

Conclusion: For the Edwards to decide that publicly acknowledging John's dirty laundry was preferable to the alternative, the alternative had to be pretty bad -- maybe even criminal. If criminal, the Edwards are victims, not wrongdoers and the affair is no longer the important part of the story.

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    Said it before but I'll say it again (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Redshoes on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:27:44 PM EST
    Give him a shovel -- he just keeps digging deeper.  So frustrating.

    It makes me very angry at him for the (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by athyrio on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:28:23 PM EST
    betrayal of his family as well as his voters that believed in him...Never again...

    Never again? (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by SueBonnetSue on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:48:10 PM EST
    Never again what?  Never again support Edwards?  Or any sleazy democrat?  How will we know if a candidate is another Bill Clinton or John Edwards?   How do we know if Obama is one of these kind of guys?  

    I hate men like this who use women and subject their wives to heartache after heartache.  I do NOT want men like this representing ME.  I do not want them as a role model for young men or a message to young women to put up with philandering, egotistical, women-using, jerks.  

    Elizabeth is too smart and too nice to have to live with this kind of crap.  God Bless her.  

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    If that's the case, better (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:32:20 AM EST
    be prepared not to ever vote for a man.

    Women, I'm sorry to say, throw themselves at these guys, obviously especially ones as attractive as John Edwards and Bill Clinton, and there aren't very many men who are really prepared to resist it.  Heck, Henry Hyde, of all people had an affair and a "love child."

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    Is it really that bad? (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by cpa1 on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 07:38:45 AM EST
    That is up to those concerned, not us.  We cannot know what goes on in the Edwards' bedroom and it is none of our business.

    We are not like them so it is hard for us to understand, but these are very highly motivated individuals who are being looked at with an intensity that not many can handle.  They walk a tightrope were one slip can bring them down.  This sucks the life and energy out of them

    Then understand what being on the campaign trail is like.   It is not much different from a concert tour.  They are away from home for months and it is so easy to succumb to sensual desires.  I think that is true for men or women.  If more women were out there, then more women would be having the occasional affair.

    For those married to politicians and musicians, they have to be aware that barring an unusual libido control, they will get cheated on.  Most of the time it's just something someone needs to get balanced and other times it could be love.  If it is love then there is a much bigger problem.  I don't condone anything but if my wife was a politician, gone for months, I wouldn't be shocked if she had an affair.  Masturbation relieves the genital pressure but sometimes you need someone curl up to.  As CSN sang, "If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with."  Fact is, I wouldn't have married a politician or a touring musician.  

    I think it is unrealistic to think that you can have tens of thousands of monogamous politicians in our society.  George W. Bush was allegedly faithful to Laura and have we ever been f___d so bad?

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    Agree....Puritan ethics are not (5.00 / 2) (#166)
    by Aqua Blue on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:33:17 AM EST
    realistic.   Mother Nature is stronger and mother nature wants seed sown far and wide.

    European wives and misstresses both have accetable positons in the society.

    I don't care if Bill is gettig a BJ or who is sleeping with whom.   That is personal informaton that is none of my business. That is between the parties involved.  

    Through the ages ... leaders have had mistresses.  I could care less about that.  The media did not get involved in Eisenhower's affair.

    Do I care about the wars, the killing, the hunger, the ruining of the public school system, the inequality of income???  

    You bet I do!!

     

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    I am SO (5.00 / 1) (#193)
    by stinger on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:33:29 AM EST
    stealing this line:

    "George W. Bush was allegedly faithful to Laura and have we ever been f___d so bad?"


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    Power is an (none / 0) (#175)
    by Jjc2008 on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 09:02:50 AM EST
    aphrodisiac. Since in our society is still dominated by men, since men overwhelmingly retain all the power (financial, political, physical) women are still socialized to get their power through men.
    AMBITIOUS women seeking power on their own terms are labeled "evil".  All one has to do is remember how "ambition " when paired with Hillary was interpreted much different than ambition paired with any man (usually viewed as a complement).

    So women seek to get power from powerful men and often sex is their tool. And youth and looks are their currency.  It's an illusion and as we mature most women get that.  But I do think in desperation some women (even older ones) head down the path.

    I always think about ancient "Greek" society where some women had figured it out.  Being an "escort" was acceptable and women choosing that path did quite well for themselves.  Choosing to be a wife was about choosing to procreate for the species.
    In society now, we are screwed up in values.

    We condemn those who choose to live differently.  (Do you think any straight SINGLE person would ever even be considered for high office? What if a heterosexual person chooses to live their life as a single adult, engages in sexual relations with other single adults? How would the public see that?)

    Sadly we still live in this narrow society where sex without marriage is condemned.  Sometimes sex is just about sex.  Maybe if we rid ourselves of this puritanical belief that monogamy is the only acceptable lifestyle, people sneaking around to satisfy physical needs would not be tabloid fodder.

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    I think it is very sad (none / 0) (#168)
    by BernieO on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:45:35 AM EST
    but if you think you will never again support a candidate who does something like this, you might as well stop voting. Men in power are catnip for a lot of women and this will always happen with a significant number of them. Unless they go around condemning others for it, it is none of our business. He's not my spouse!

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    this weirdly puts the burden on the women (5.00 / 1) (#222)
    by Valhalla on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:05:46 PM EST
    in the scenario -- is that what you meant to do?

    Everyone's human yes, but men who fall prey to the hubris of campaign fame are just as responsible for their failures.

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    oh balderpoop (5.00 / 4) (#130)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:58:56 AM EST
    I'm a voter I never traded vows with him .  

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    Yikes (5.00 / 5) (#3)
    by Roz on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:30:53 PM EST
    He should have avoided that interview. It was pretty pathetic. He did not come off well at all. Drop the pop psychology, John!

    The media's just getting started. Like pent up madness. He just fed the monster.

    I know Obama isn't too popular on this site (5.00 / 6) (#7)
    by s5 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:35:17 PM EST
    But MAN did we dodge a bullet. Imagine if Edwards had been our nominee.

    amen to that (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by coigue on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:37:06 PM EST
    Be careful what you wish for.... n/t (5.00 / 2) (#154)
    by jawbone on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 07:04:02 AM EST
    LOL (none / 0) (#201)
    by coigue on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:08:35 AM EST
    I am totally rolling my eyes right now.

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    I just feel used (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by BarnBabe on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:46:32 PM EST
    It is their business what happened in their personal lives, but when John Edwards asked for campaign contributions from me knowing what he had done and it would kill his chance of winning, he took from me personally.

    It is not the money, it is the taking away from me what he promised he would do on our behalf if elected. He would have made an excellent President but he chose to throw it all away.

    I am not a prude and have lived in glass houses myself, but I know that 'I' could never run for high office. I can not fathom why he took the chance of destroying his marriage and his family and his aspirations. What was he thinking!  

    It worked for Bill Clinton (5.00 / 0) (#20)
    by SueBonnetSue on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:58:05 PM EST
    Why wouldn't Edwards think that he too could get elected with girlfriends in his background?  Clinton just denied all those women and continued to march, right into the White House.  It wasn't a problem for Clinton, why would it be a problem for Edwards?  

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    Because it did not work for Bill (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by BarnBabe on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:12:46 AM EST
    He should have learned what happens when the truth comes out and you can no longer deny it. And as they say, it is always the cover up that gets you.

    Parent
    It worked for Bill, IMO. People already (none / 0) (#40)
    by MarkL on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:16:39 AM EST
    knew.

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    Bill never threw stones. (5.00 / 3) (#192)
    by Lysis on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:30:58 AM EST
    So it didn't matter that he lived in a glass house, because all of us do, in one way or another.

    That's the difference, and why the country rallied to his side and deserted the hypocrites.

    I'm always amazed how people call the Clintons sleazy, when they fight above the belt against people who are always aiming for their groins.

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    These egotists don't care (none / 0) (#42)
    by SueBonnetSue on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:17:30 AM EST
    As long as they get what they want.  Bill Clinton was elected and re elected when most people knew, or at least suspected, that he had many girlfriends during his marriage to Hillary.   If he hadn't messed around the White House, he would have been fine.  I am sure Edwards thought he could do the same but be smarter than Clinton and not have affairs while in the White House.  

    Heck, lots of Presidents have had girlfriends, even in the White House, FDR, JFK, Johnson, Clinton.  Why wouldn't Edwards think that he could too?  

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    Uh, he WAS fine. He was elected twice, and (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by masslib on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:31:09 AM EST
    left office with the highest approval rating of any President in modern history.

    For my part, I could care a less about what politicians do in their private life.  If there is even a chance the child is his he should not have run for President.

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    enough ,you made your point (none / 0) (#79)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:04:30 AM EST
    this isn't about the Clintons.

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    don't forget bush1 also had his friends. (none / 0) (#198)
    by hellothere on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:57:30 AM EST
    I watched the whole show (5.00 / 4) (#17)
    by DianeNYS on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:52:34 PM EST
    And I can tell you...This thing probably didn't end in 2006, and that baby could very well be his. I've heard the hedging, I've seen the agitation in the smiling eyes, I've heard the edgy "sincerity." And the words were all "right" but the truth was that the thing was still going on, and there was no way to prove it.

    It creeped me out, and made me very sad for Elizabeth. And I, too, know the unwitting denial that keeps her willing to believe that everything he's telling her is true ("it's over now; this time I'm telling you the truth!"), so she can just make it through the day.

    The tell? The fact that John Edwards (in his public statement) says that he had this affair but "I never loved her." That's for Elizabeth's benefit. He needs to keep her believing him, and the only thing that keeps her hanging on is the fact that he says that Elizabeth is the only woman he's ever loved. Once you've lost your husband's fidelity, the only thing worse is losing his love to someone else. At least she's still got that...{{{{sigh}}}} My heart breaks for her right now

    Based on all we've seen/read today, it does (5.00 / 8) (#18)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:53:59 PM EST
    appear that John is doing what he wants, and Elizabeth is tasked with cleaning up his mess.


    I wondered too when he dropped out why he was (5.00 / 4) (#31)
    by Angel on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:09:06 AM EST
    doing so.  It just seemed strange to me at the time.  And when he endorsed Obama I thought that was strange as well.  Seems we didn't really know the guy at all.

    Imagine that.... (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:41:17 AM EST
    and the opening statement he made (twice) was that he wanted the American people to really know who he is...

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    When his wife didn't introduce him (none / 0) (#124)
    by bridget on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:43:22 AM EST
    before his speech at the end of his last primary contest ... that I found v. odd. Esp. since he dropped out after that. She played an important part in his campaign and usually introduced Edwards in an exuberant fashion whenever he gave his end of primary speech. I guess they wanted to take advantage of her popularity. Sometimes I thought she spoke way too long, however.

    Well, maybe there was an explanation for it at the time. But AFAIR she didn't appear with him on other occasions after that and I thought that was strange as well.

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    He didn't look like (5.00 / 0) (#32)
    by DianeNYS on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:09:21 AM EST
    He was finished with it...I just don't know how to explain it. It seems to me that he really might still be having this affair, or that it may have just ended recently, or maybe something else. But, I do not believe that it ended when he told Elizabeth that it was over.

    I recognize the attitude he had--said all the right things, but didn't seem sincere to me. There was a cocky sort of edge to his admissions, that reminded me of the time when, though the parties said it was over, it wasn't. But, as long as both parties wouldn't admit to it, I could delude myself into ignoring my gut instincts so I could unwittingly play along with the lie to be able to make it through the day.

    There's more that will come out...this story is not finished...        :-(

    Women KNOW (none / 0) (#45)
    by SueBonnetSue on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:22:09 AM EST
    Our intuition knows when we are seeing a lying man, when something just isn't quite right.  

    I have to agree, something more is coming.  There is no good reason for Edwards to admit it now if there wasn't something more coming.  The MSM was ignoring the story, until now.  He would have let them continue to ignore it, while he denied it, unless he knew that something else was coming.  No reason to not keep denying it as he has for the last two years, unless he was about to outed for more.

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    Stupid, stupid, stupid. (5.00 / 6) (#34)
    by LatinoVoter on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:12:00 AM EST
    This is going to be weird but the thing from the transcript and interview that jumped out at me was his answer to the possibility of the child being his. He doesn't think the child is his because of the time line of his conception and not because he was careful to use protection and not risk putting his wifes health at an even greater risk-you know, that woman battling CANCER.

    What a cad.

    I completely agree... (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:43:04 AM EST
    then, maybe that's why he told Elizabeth. That's how my best friend found out her husband of 30 years was cheating.


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    That's just about the first thing I thought (5.00 / 3) (#128)
    by bridget on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:58:03 AM EST
    as well

    Yikes!

    not only did he have this affair when running for Prez again but he didn't even do everything possible to avoid making the woman pregnant ... for all kinds of reasons, of course, but most importantly his wife and her health.

    I have always said his judgments in his short political career have been the worst and this is another example of it ...

    One really is at loss for words ....

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    Contraception is not full proof. (none / 0) (#200)
    by inclusiveheart on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:05:51 AM EST
    Not having had sex with someone when they would have conceived is though.

    Parent
    If Rielle (Lisa Druck) appears in public with (5.00 / 4) (#35)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:12:02 AM EST
    Gloria Aldridge in tow, we'll know what this was all about.

    Allred, Gloria Allred (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:24:27 AM EST
    And that's a damn good guess.


    Parent
    Gloria is a Hillary Delegate (5.00 / 2) (#140)
    by SoCalLiberal on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:21:02 AM EST
    I hope she votes for Hillary at the Convention.  

    Parent
    Thanks - I was being too lazy to look it up :) (none / 0) (#57)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:34:18 AM EST
    I won't be surprised (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:07:44 AM EST
    Gloria is the obvious choice. She'll probably take the case pro-bono.

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    Well, when she was dating that author, (none / 0) (#73)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:52:24 AM EST
    she was in acting school. Maybe she thought it would make her a big star. No idea beyond that.


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    Hunter (none / 0) (#102)
    by joanneleon on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:42:50 AM EST
    was her married name, which she apparently kept after divorcing.  I don't know why she changed the first name though.  Perhaps because she was an aspiring actress.

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    This story is a long way from being over. (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Angel on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:14:51 AM EST


    And, that's completely on John's shoulders (none / 0) (#71)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:51:03 AM EST
    he could have put it to rest tonight, but he was evasive and that just gets the media digging deeper and speculating beyond the boundaries.

    He has enough attorney friends who could have handled the confrontation to explore how to make sure she didn't go public. Maybe he heard she was writing a book.

    Not sure why she changed her name from Lisa Druck to Rielle Hunter.

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    whatever her name is i am not IMPRESSED. (none / 0) (#199)
    by hellothere on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:01:07 AM EST
    it took two to tango. this isn't only john. it is this woman as well and she dang well knew about elizabeth's illness. no symyathy from me just the baby.

    Parent
    Jeralyn will not allow discussion of (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by MarkL on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:20:09 AM EST
    a very obvious situation wrt Obama in which his candor about certain activities is open to question. This is no time for ostrich behavior.

    Comments trying to smear Obama with this (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:59:31 AM EST
    will be deleted. Don't bother.

    Parent
    Last comment on this: with all (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by MarkL on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:05:45 AM EST
    due respect, I am NOT smearing Obama. I am saying that he has made inconsistent statements about a matter of public morality that are analogous to Edwards' hedges. Delete away, but the risk factor remains.

    Parent
    Again this is not about Obama (none / 0) (#88)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:16:27 AM EST
    And you may not hijack the thread.

    Parent
    You would not allow me to quote your (none / 0) (#90)
    by MarkL on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:19:49 AM EST
    own words which supported my point, earlier.
    YOU brought up drugs---not me.
    I thought that was unreasonable moderation on your part.

    Good night.

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    Ok, we are not allowed to relate this story to (none / 0) (#127)
    by SueBonnetSue on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:56:23 AM EST
    Clinton or Obama.  right.  Got it.  It's your heavy sand box.

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    If there's more to this story, (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by andgarden on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:33:24 AM EST
    I hope it comes out sooner rather than later, for everyone's sake.

    It's a really good thing (none / 0) (#143)
    by SoCalLiberal on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:26:12 AM EST
    that Obama did not pick him to be his VP.  Because that would NOT have helped Obama's campaign.

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    Ladies (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Roz on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:42:36 AM EST
    you're sounding like a church group gossip circle.

    If you really feel bad for Elizabeth, you should lay off the useless speculation and theatrical empathy grams. This would be the voyeurism Mrs. Edwards was hoping to discourage. Such expressions of sympathy for the "long suffering" wife and innocent children is hardly helpful to them, and could be way off base for all you know.

    Shakedown? (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:44:15 AM EST
    John Edwards made it pretty clear this was a shakedown attempt. He said he told Elizabeth the next morning about the meeting and that there had been "no resolution" -- that he didn't agree to anything. He also referred several times to Ms. Hunter and Mr. McGovern as being "the other two people involved" and said Fred Baron, his campaign finance guy who paid Hunter, had an independent relationship with both Hunter and McGovern.

    Fred Baron, who paid the money, issued a statement to Nightline saying Edwards didn't know about the money he paid to Hunter and that the details of such payments would remain private between Baron, Hunter and McGovern. (Meaning he wasn't going to tell Edwards.)

    If this was an extortion attempt, and I now lean towards thinking it was, will the FBI be investigating?  Are grand jury subpoenas to Baron and Hunter on the horizon? Have they already been  issued?

    Edwards said he got the call to meet with McGovern and Hunter that afternoon and he agreed only if McGovern was going to be present as well. He said the meeting request related to difficulties Hunter and McGovern were having. My translation: He knew they were going to ask for money. (This also would explain why he told Elizabeth there had been no resolution.)

    Did Edwards call them on their threat by saying "fine, I'll tell the public" to end what would be a never-ending demand for money? Did he take it a step further and go to the FBI and report an extortion attempt? Is a grand jury now investigating? If so, could the Enquirer be under investigation for aiding and abetting extortion? Did the Enquirer pay for Hunter's rooms at the Beverly Hilton?

    The affair itself is of no interest to me. This afternoon I was interested in the impact it could have had on the election had Edwards been the nominee or had Obama chosen him for the VP slot. I'm past that. Now my interest is in the possible criminal angle, and I'll repeat "possible." This is speculation on my part.

    If John Edwards was being shaken down and decided not to be a victim, that would explain why he's going public now. He and his family shouldn't have to live under that kind of fear. No one should. If that's what happened, then I applaud him (and Elizabeth) for coming forward. They made the right call. The media frenzy will end soon and then they can get on with what really matters -- their efforts to reduce poverty and fix our health care system.

    Was Edwards truthful with Nightline? AS to what he answered, probably, but I think he's holding  back. There's other stuff he's not telling.

    Conclusion: For the Edwards to decide that publicly acknowledging John's dirty laundry was preferable to the alternative, the alternative had to be pretty bad -- even criminal. If criminal, the Edwards are victims, not wrongdoers.

    My take on this? (5.00 / 0) (#132)
    by Grace on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:00:55 AM EST
    I'll admit that I haven't read much about it except for the one National Enquirer story and this interview that you linked to...

    Wasn't McGovern the person quoted in the National Enquirer?  The one that was supposed to be the person who drove Hunter to the hotel or something like that?  

    I posted something in that original thread speculating that someone sold this story to the National Enquirer and that it was possibly true.  The Enquirer only pays money to people who can give them the goods.  In other words, they won't pay money to Joe Blow who thinks something is going on.  Anyway, I think someone on Hunter's side sold this story to the Enquirer.  (The Enquirer is not stupid enough to pay for hotel rooms so I would forget that idea.  They don't participate in criminal acts.  They just pay for stories.)  

    After reading the linked interview, I think this kid probably is Edwards' and Hunter wants child support -- a LOT of child support.

    If you go back to the original Enquirer stories, you are likely to find more truth in them than you believe.  They do investigate quite thoroughly.      

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    You are exactly right (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by SueBonnetSue on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:06:34 AM EST
    She wants BIG child support.  

    When will people realize that the Enquier gets things right?  I know it hurts the fine sensibilities of the elite left, but the Enquirer is often dead on the money.

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    You have to read Enquirer (5.00 / 2) (#139)
    by Grace on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:18:32 AM EST
    stories very carefully and pay attention to the sourcing in the stories.  The more sources they have, the more it's likely the story is true.  

    I don't know if it's true anymore, but the National Enquirer used to pay some of the highest salaries to their journalists.  They didn't hire hacks.  

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    The NE at one point hired (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by Jim J on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 07:54:22 AM EST
    the best British journalists for much more than they could make back on Fleet Street. Brought them to sunny South Florida and most wrote/write under pseudonyms.


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    This rings true... (5.00 / 0) (#152)
    by p lukasiak on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:47:24 AM EST
    ...at least, its clear that there is "something else" going on here.

    My question is "At what point does a request for child support become extortion in these circumstances?"  Obviously, if the child isn't his, its extortion.  But if it is his kid, wouldn't it be hard to prove extortion if the request for payments was framed as child support?  Does the threat of a exposure through a paternity lawsuit constitute extortion under these circumstances?

    My best guess is that Edwards does not think the child is his, and that he really is being shaken down.  

    The smart way to have handled this would have been to simply release a statement acknowledging the affair, and then disappear for a week or two.  Regardless of how impaired Edwards judgment may be, I doubt that Elizabeth would have allowed Edwards to handle this in a way that guarantees maximum exposure unless there was more to the story.  

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    Heh. (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by Fabian on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:23:14 AM EST
    If you want fast, easy cash, going to family court for an official ruling on custody and support isn't the way to do it.  Depending on circumstances, the judge could end up giving full custody to the other parent and ordering you to pay support!

    (To me, murder trials aren't that exciting.  Now, family court is where true drama is!  Uncertainty!  Suspect motives!  Intrigue!)

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    Sorry, that doesn't ring true............. (none / 0) (#72)
    by SueBonnetSue on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:51:51 AM EST
    If it was a shakedown, why not say so?  Why not say that it been turned over to the FBI for investigation?  Why meet her in a hotel room late at night if he thought it was a shakedown?  No, sorry, your scenario just doesn't ring true to me, but I could be wrong.  

    His manner was not one of a victim, but of someone trying to avoid the truth.  

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    Could still be trying to keep (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ben Masel on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:07:08 AM EST
    the names of marginally involved 3 parties out of it.

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    But also ask (none / 0) (#89)
    by tlkextra on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:17:23 AM EST
    why would he suddenly feel compelled to go public at this time? Although I also felt he was holding back in the Interview, I have to doubt that he was lying about some of the facts still to be discovered. He's enough of a Politician to know it's best to admit to everything at once. If there is some sort of investigation about to happen, then I could see how he would feel he needed to be somewhat vague.

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    Edwards' finance director (5.00 / 3) (#151)
    by Josey on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:43:36 AM EST
    was paying Hunter - with Edwards money - but Edwards didn't know??
    I'm having trouble with that one.


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    Naive (none / 0) (#95)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:30:57 AM EST
    Why not say so?  Possibly because it would be counterproductive, if not damn stupid, to announce on national television that there was an FBI investigation going on?

    Meeting at a hotel room late at night means zero except that you're trying not to be observed.  That failed, obviously, but in a situation like this, no matter what he wanted/needed to talk with her about -- or do with her -- it would have to be late at night in a hotel room.

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    You've nailed it. (none / 0) (#81)
    by Ben Masel on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:05:19 AM EST
    Thanks Jeralyn (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Little Fish on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:09:40 AM EST
    I was hoping you'd weigh in on this. I've actually started writing a few comments today concerning how the whole hotel night went down because it seems so fishy to me, but I never posted them. It's obvious the NE was tipped off big time.  They had hotel rooms and a team of reporters there before Edwards got to the hotel. So they weren't following him around, they were staked out.

    There's also that picture of whomever holding the baby, it's from the inside of the hotel room.  How'd the Enquirer get that unless they 1. had a camera planted inside 2. someone else inside took it 3. it's fake. I'm aiming for fake as it's so blurry (it's 2008, there's no excuse for that pic to be THAT bad) and doesn't really look like Edwards.

    I don't want to comment on the affair, it's none of my business.  The possible criminal angle is rather interesting though, even if it's just speculation. There's a whole lot of things that don't make sense to me and I'd love to hear the lawyers weigh in on this.

    The NE (5.00 / 0) (#97)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:36:53 AM EST
    has already openly said they were tipped off, and furthermore that they paid for the information.

    That said, they do seem to have a certain degree of slimy integrity with these things, and I'd be very surprised if they faked any photos.  That's just not their usual way of doing things with this kind of story.  Exaggerrate gossip, sure.  Fake photos, not so much.

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    the only reason i say fake (none / 0) (#110)
    by Little Fish on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:58:19 AM EST
    is that it is SO bad of a photo (lol). I do photography as a hobby and that picture has me huddled in a corner chewing my hair.

    I hadn't read that they paid for the information. This whole operation is so strange.

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    No kidding (none / 0) (#196)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:54:16 AM EST
    Very blurry for a "close up". Could easily be a John Edwards look-alike, and the baby looks like a doll, a toy doll. That hairline on the baby will make identity easier in a comparison.

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    Tabloids have great (none / 0) (#161)
    by Fabian on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:16:49 AM EST
    legal departments.  They almost never get sued successfully even when it seems they give plenty of people ample motivation to do so.

    I wonder what percentage of lawyers are employed by corporations in order to cover their corporate keisters legally.

    That would be my ideal job if I had a law degree.  Nice stable job, decent hours, minimal office politics.  

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    Being a victim of ctiminal extortion (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:10:49 AM EST
    doesn't really absolve John Edwards of all wrongdoing, unless he and Elizabeth agreed to an open marriage.

    I think it makes it worse (5.00 / 4) (#98)
    by Valhalla on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:37:09 AM EST
    In light of Jeralyn's earlier post discussing the irresponsibility of running for President knowing something like this could come out.

    If he won the nomination, what would he have done then, kept (or started) paying Riell forever?  

    It's not clear to me that it was extortion, or when it started.  But if it started before the primaries in Jan, he had no business running for even a second.

    And if it was extortion, this isn't as if someone was trying to extort him for something he couldn't help, like threatening to out someone.

    If it was criminal extortion, then yes Rielle and whoever else is involved is a very, very bad person.  But it doesn't ameliorate what he did.

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    my take - (none / 0) (#153)
    by Josey on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:55:00 AM EST
    In 2006, I believe Edwards was investing so much time, energy, and money into running for president again that it outweighed any potential negatives re adultery and the brief affair.

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    Not likely. (none / 0) (#188)
    by Fabian on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:21:07 AM EST
    We'll probably get whatever story she thinks will sell best.  Jerry Springer, here we come!

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    I absolve John Edwards. (2.00 / 0) (#208)
    by NealB on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:24:22 AM EST
    There, that's settled.

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    comment ratings (none / 0) (#216)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:43:43 AM EST
    you may not give out "1"s based on your disagreement with the point of view expressed. A "1"indicates a troll or comment in violation of site polity. Your ratings have been erased.

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    we're trying to move beyond the (none / 0) (#92)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:22:23 AM EST
    morality issue which is none of our business.

    Since you are a former prosecutor, I'd be very interested in your thoughts on the extortion angle.

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    I'm actually more interested in the (none / 0) (#94)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:29:33 AM EST
    charitable trusts/campaign finance issues, about which I know nada professionally.  Remember earlier when Edwards' charitable foundation was paying some of his campaign expenses?  Apparently that's not all the foundation was paying for.  

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    I thought it was his PAC (none / 0) (#100)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:39:11 AM EST
    that paid Hunter and that Baron controlled it. I know nothing about campaign finance issues either.

    It also seems the payments to Hunter were for her video work -- wouldn't that be legitimate, she did make four videos and spent months on the road doing so?

    If the payments were illegal, would Baron admit not only that he made them but that it was solely his decision to do so?

    So much isn't adding up about this story.

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    Payments for her work would (5.00 / 0) (#135)
    by Grace on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:07:25 AM EST
    have been legal.

    Child support would not be legal.  

    I'm sensing that the story is more like the original story the NE broke, not something JE is telling now.  I think he's trying to cover his tracks and make the whole thing go away.  

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    Legal? Probably. (5.00 / 0) (#187)
    by Fabian on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:18:36 AM EST
    Ethical?  Could be, if she was competent.  It's not recommended though.

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    Why would child support be illlegal? (none / 0) (#137)
    by SueBonnetSue on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:11:20 AM EST
    Isn'[t it illegal to not support your child?  

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    Yeah, it's more than legal to support your (5.00 / 0) (#141)
    by Grace on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:21:12 AM EST
    children -- you just can't do it out of political campaign monies.  

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    The timeline (5.00 / 2) (#121)
    by oldpro on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:35:03 AM EST
    raises a question with me...since this happened in 2006 and he told Elizabeth in 2006, why did she agree to him running (again) for president in 2008...knowing this was out there and knowing how vicious the press enablers of nasty politics has become and how much it could cost them under this kind of scrutiny?

    It is clear, tho, that this is not the end of the story.

    Yes (5.00 / 0) (#169)
    by jb64 on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:46:55 AM EST
    and knowing about the affair, doesn't that make her somewhat culpable here? She was obviously fine with a cover-up or whatever. In my estimation, that takes her down a couple of pegs as well.

    As BTD would say "Pols are Pols"

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    Elizabeth "culpable"? (5.00 / 2) (#179)
    by stinger on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 09:55:22 AM EST
    Her husband confessed to an affair. She found it in herself to forgive him and go on. He decides to run again for President.

    At what point does she become blameworthy for not announcing to the world that her husband had cheated on her? Is it hard to grasp that she would want to keep this extremely painful thing private, and just get on with their lives as best she could? She'd survived cancer, she'd survived the loss of a child, she could survive this. To call her "fine with a coverup" seems like not having much empathy for a woman in her circumstances.

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    I have plenty of empathy (none / 0) (#194)
    by jb64 on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:50:36 AM EST
    for her, and her circumstances, but let's be honest and at least admit that they both were gambling with a lot more than their own lives here. What if he'd become the nominee? Would they continue to pay hush money? Are you honestly ok with that?

    Personally I could care less about who John Edwards sleeps with, but lying about it matters: see Clinton, Bill.

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    this is where people start to understand (5.00 / 4) (#138)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:17:38 AM EST
    first of all, jeralyn is right, the morality of this is none of our business.  None of us should have anything to say about this at all.

    And this is where people should begin to understand.  People will feel the need to talk about not the morality of it but still bemoan the impact to the democratic brand.

    I say don't do it.  The media vultures swirl.  Don't play your part.  Be defiant.  I didn't like a lot of what john and elizabeth had to say.  I'll never forgive that ad after the debate.  But when he wasn't tearing down a fellow Dem, he did find a way to talk about populist issues in a way shunned by others.

    I have nothing to say about this, even the legalities involved.

    What I will add is a comment about how Obama supporters and even Obama himself will exploit the personal lives of others for political gain but that will come later.

    i agree completely. have your five minutes (none / 0) (#209)
    by hellothere on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:28:22 AM EST
    of negative feelings about it. but the endless posts by some about john is this and john is that is a real yawn. i am already sick of hearing about it on the media. they dumb us down more everyday. i want to talk about real issues like the welfare of this country. we are being played by the media ie the very people we condemn on here everyday. the legal aspect as jeralyn says is worth discussion. but who among us can cast the first stone. are we all that righteous? i think not.

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    Edwards already suffering political (none / 0) (#214)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:41:03 AM EST
    fallout...no dem convention for the "bad boy".
    Do you think anyone asked him specifically not to come?

    link

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    I think he should be invited (5.00 / 1) (#221)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:01:46 PM EST
    actually.

    Both of them.

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    We're stupid (5.00 / 2) (#146)
    by nellre on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:47:45 AM EST
    This is none of our business. Men will follow the wrong head now and then.
    I am sick of this. I am disappointed in the MSM... big surprise there!
    His wife gets dibs on being mad. Not us.
    We are stupid stupid stupid if we think this is something to spend time and effort on.

    We're donors, some of us (5.00 / 0) (#213)
    by Cream City on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:39:51 AM EST
    to the funds that paid off a mistress.  So please don't blather about us being stupid or tell us it's not our business or that we ought not be angry.

    I think it's stupid to say otherwise.

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    We're just doing (none / 0) (#162)
    by MichaelGale on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:17:07 AM EST
    the National Inquirer thing. Like when you are in the grocery line you wouldn't dare pick up a copy in public but you just can't help reading the headlines about who is doing what. We get to sort of read inside. ...don't have to pick up that darn rag! :-)

    In reality, we are gossiping with anonymity (I think that's the word).
    :-)

    I think Edwards is being blackmailed. Maybe it is time for the FBI to come in to this.  Do they get involved when is appears there is some big money changing hands and it goes public?

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    I think (5.00 / 2) (#148)
    by Grace on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 04:24:29 AM EST
    it's because the Olympics are starting tonight -- and I think JE thinks everyone will want to watch the Olympics and not him...

    And in my household, he'd be TOTALLY CORRECT!!  


    This is the first I've read (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by lizpolaris on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 07:28:43 AM EST
    of possible a extortion attempt.  Who knows?  But from your angle, it sounds like there will be a continued investigation.

    This part of your speculation is really hilarious however:
    ...could the Enquirer be under investigation for aiding and abetting extortion?

    Ha ha ha ha - the only media outlet to report on, follow up, and expose this situation should also be objects of suspicion?  Well, isn't that just what the MSM would like to do - paint any organization outside of the mainstream as illegitimate by definition.  They're sleazy, we're not.  No, the MSM is just asleep.

    Worst thing about this for me is it's probably (5.00 / 3) (#157)
    by jawbone on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 07:38:02 AM EST
    another nail in the coffin being built for universal healthcare.

    Edwards, if nothing else, would have been a strong public voice for universal healthcare. Now, that has been muffled, if not shut down. He won't be able to appear on any newser interview programs without facing questions about this, most likely.

    Alas, our champions for universal healthcare are being marginalized, muffled, and without pressure, I don't see Obama doing very much. Not prudent. Might offend the big donors.

    I'm pretty bummed by this.

    good point (5.00 / 3) (#167)
    by kempis on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:44:18 AM EST
    But the strongest voice, other than Hillary's, remains: Elizabeth Edwards.

    I just hope that she can live long enough see her dream realized. I know we keep talking about her "battling cancer," but those of us who've lost friends to this stage of aggressive breast cancer know that at this point, it's only a matter of how much time is left. Let's hope that it's enough for her to get beyond this crap, heal from it, and fight for her fine vision of universal health care. I have a lot of faith in her wisdom, her strength, and her resilience, so I'm trusting she'll brush herself off and keep on pushing for a solution to our uneven, often inadequate health care.

    We need Elizabeth Edwards. Truth be told, we need her more than we need her husband--always have. She is the rarest of public figures: one with no guile whatsoever. She is unpretentious and genuine--intelligent and passionately compassionate. This country is lucky to have her. Let's all hold her in our thoughts and encourage her to keep fighting for universal health care because she CAN make a difference, and it's a difference I'm sure she aches to make.

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    And willing (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by jb64 on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:49:52 AM EST
    to cover up her husband's affairs to do good. Sound like anybody we know?

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    What would it gain her (none / 0) (#184)
    by Fabian on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:15:52 AM EST
    to expose her husband's misbehavior?

    That's what you do when you are trolling for sympathy or angling for a maximum divorce settlement.  

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    maybe she didn't think her personal pain was (none / 0) (#210)
    by hellothere on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:29:40 AM EST
    our business. now a question about running for the presidency with this out there is worth discussing.

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    Not that it really matters to me, Jeralyn (5.00 / 4) (#159)
    by Jim J on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 07:47:43 AM EST
    but every time someone else "speculates" here, as you admit you are doing in this post, they're threatened with deletion. Usually about matters much less egregious than the scenario you're proposing, BTW.

    Your blog, yada-yada, etc., I know. But still, pretty uncool.

    The difference, I suspect (or speculate) (none / 0) (#219)
    by Iphie on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:29:28 PM EST
    is that not only is this Jeralyn's blog, it is a blog with the stated mission of discussion of politics and crime. Jeralyn has a specific area of expertise and she is speculating about the intersection of those two subjects through the prism of that expertise.

    Another difference is that she isn't speculating about the possible scandalous behaviour of a politician. The scandalous behaviour has been acknowledged -- she is speculating about the timing and about the behaviour of others involved in the scandal. There is a difference in intentions -- she isn't trying to damage a politician by spreading rumors.

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    When it comes to judgement (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by Fabian on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:29:19 AM EST
    I don't care about the affair.  Extortion?  I hope not.  The man is a lawyer!   If someone successfully blackmailed him, then his judgement is seriously suspect.  Even if he didn't know what his legal rights were, he should be able to get someone to help him.

    If it turned out that he allowed himself to be blackmailed, then I will be very relieved he didn't come close to the presidency.

    If there was an extortion attempt, (none / 0) (#203)
    by inclusiveheart on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:14:12 AM EST
    it is pretty clear now that it didn't work.

    As of yesterday, she has lost her "exclusive" as it were.

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    Thoughts? (5.00 / 0) (#173)
    by lentinel on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:56:19 AM EST
    "Thoughts before we put this story to bed?" You ask.

    Why is this a story? I ask.

    The one consequence I can (5.00 / 0) (#174)
    by frankly0 on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 09:02:15 AM EST
    see for this story in terms of the Presidential race is that there is likely to be increased scrutiny paid to potential skeletons in the closet of both Obama and McCain.

    I think the one clear conclusion from this business is that it would have been disastrous if Edwards had been the nominee, and this story had played out as it has.

    The natural question will be whether there are like stories about the remaining candidates that are festering under the surface.

    I won't pretend to know whether such stories exist and have any real basis, but my guess is that the MSM will feel empowered to go after them and bring them to the fore if they indeed exist.

    Extortion is one of the first things I thought.... (5.00 / 3) (#176)
    by Angel on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 09:23:55 AM EST
    but it appears to me that at the time he went to the hotel he was trying to solve this problem on his own.  Thus Elizabeth did not know about the visit.  If Edwards had already alerted the authorities (FBI, etc.) then I believe Elizabeth would have known about the meeting, and I believe that possibly Edwards would have been wired.  

    I did not see the interview but I read the transcript.  He seems really cagey in some of his answers and things just don't add up for me.  That said, I honestly think that when the 2 am meeting went down he had not alerted anyone about what was going on; he had not been totally honest with Elizabeth about everything.  

    I think possibly the affair lasted longer than he has admitted.  That his former campaign finance guy has/is paying Ms. Hunter sounds really, really bad.  I can't believe this was going on without Edwards' knowledge.  But I guess he could have put out the word to "take care of this but don't tell me the details" so he could say he didn't know what was going on.  Happens all the time.  

    Edwards has enough personal money that I can't believe he didn't just come to a contractual agreement with the woman, determined paternity of the child, and got this thing taken care of so that everyone was happy and it would stay private.
     

    To your last point about taking (none / 0) (#205)
    by inclusiveheart on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:18:08 AM EST
    care of this with a contractual agreement etc. - that is the sort of thing that can only be done if both parties are reasonable and reliable.  It may have become clear that this woman was not going to be reasonable or realiable over the long or short term.  It was probably better in the end that Edwards just get it out there in order to move on because trying to keep secrets like these is just way too hard - especially in this day and age.

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    if you look into her background she has (none / 0) (#212)
    by hellothere on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:34:02 AM EST
    aspired to be in the entertainment business, so i would assume she wants publicity and the limelight. maybe she wants to stir trouble in the marriage. if so, she may find that she has more trouble than she wanted. what we think we want turns out to be worse than what we had very often.

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    All of this speculation aside (5.00 / 3) (#177)
    by themomcat on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 09:33:30 AM EST
    My thoughts and prayers are with the Edwards' and their children, especially, Elizabeth, as any added stress can have a profound negative effect on her cancer. I was never an Edwards supporter but I would have been far more comfortable voting for him than Obama. Not that infidelity is an admirable trait but I think it is far less egregious than the political affiliations of Obama and his dubious rise in politics. If this was an extortion attempt, I truly believe that Edwards actions were to minimize the impact on, not just himself and the Democrats but Elizabeth and his children.
    I really liked HRC's response to the press questions, classic Hillary. This is a situation that HRC understands and has empathy for the Edwards.

    Who cares??? (5.00 / 2) (#178)
    by caramel on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 09:44:55 AM EST
    This is so symptomatic of America, my God! Leave the man alone, this is a private issue. How can you for one second imagine or dream that politicians - of all people - are saints? Being a competent politician has nothing to do with being faithful. There are far more serious issues where politicians are concerned which need to be questioned and answered.

    The National Enquirer pays moles well (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by BarnBabe on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 09:59:44 AM EST
    I believe extortion played into it. The theory sounds right. The Enquirer also says it has people everywhere that they pay well for their information. Going to ANY hotel in Beverly Hills or LA would get anyone in trouble as it would be called in immediately. Every staff member there who wanted a piece of the pie would be making that call. Maybe that is why they wanted the meeting there.

    John has not seemed himself for a while now. When he went to endorse Obama, he seemed like he would rather be somewhere else. His words were right but his body language was not or so I thought at least.

    This news really has touched some nerves! (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by andjustice4all on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:16:56 AM EST
    Wow. So much anger over this and so much blame. As someone who supported and voted for JE, I am obviously very disappointed. However, it's not just him and it's not just politician or even just men who fall short of expectations--we're all human and nobody's perfect. I'd like to think that he is still quite capable of doing the kind of work I hoped he'd do as President, though he'll be doing it outside of elected office for quite some time, now. I hope he will do so.
    I'm glad Elizabeth wasn't at his side during the TV interview; it's not her battle and she shouldn't have been subjected to that. She already dealt with it, apparently forgave him,made a public statement that his family is behind him and that's all I need to know about that. Her, I still trust--and admire.

    Uh, EE did the web 2.0 (1.00 / 3) (#191)
    by LatinoVoter on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:30:42 AM EST
    version of standing at his side during the TV interview. She went on DailyKos and posted a diary about how they want to be left alone and praised him.

    Maybe she's trying to get those confirmed miracles out of the way so she can be fast tracked to sainthood.


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    We simply don't know these people. (5.00 / 2) (#202)
    by karmadillo on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:13:13 AM EST
    We can speculate all we want, but it won't get us away from the fact Edwards' behavior was simply inexcusable for someone in his position. He can claim his narcissism was brought on by his success, but narcissists tend to be narcissists early and often, before, during, and after any success or failure they might encounter. Not to smear everyone with the same brush, but it might be worth viewing Edwards as typical of most politicians. They seem to be more than willing to do the bidding of those with real power in order to advance their own careers, protestations of fealty to the Other America not withstanding. It would go some distance towards explaining why the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, the wars get longer, and the planet gets warmer.

    Was listening to Politics Nation on (5.00 / 4) (#218)
    by Anne on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:53:38 AM EST
    POTUS 08 this morning, and I decided that what I was hearing was going to be the general view of both Edwards and his story.  Both commentators believe that what Edwards said in his interview is an investigative reporter's dream-come-true, and both ripped him 6 ways from Sunday for the hypocrisy of being out on the campaign trail talking about morality (although Edwards was talking about it in terms of the morality of a wealthy nation with so much poverty) when he knew he had cheated on his wife.

    The more I think about it, the more I doubt much of what Edwards said.  The better answer to "Did Elizabeth know about the meeting in LA?" would have been "Right after I got the call that they wanted to have this meeting, I called Elizabeth and we discussed whether I should go, and we both decided I should."  Instead, he tells Woodruff that he only called Elizabeth after the meeting - and considering that he had been ambushed by the Enquirer, and there was video, he wouldn't have had much choice about telling his wife then.

    No, there's a lot that doesn't add up, and I'm guessing there are more shoes yet to drop.

    Oh, and that "rrrrrriiiiip!!!" you hear is the sound of thousands of "Edwards" bumper stickers coming off car bumpers.

    I watched it (4.90 / 11) (#6)
    by litigatormom on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:34:23 PM EST
    I was not impressed.  Watching and listening to him as a lawyer, my sense was that he was parsing, and obfuscating, and self-justifying. Trying to put a positive spin on what is simply not positive at all.  

    The worst part was when he responded to the blurry photo that shows a man resembling him holding a young child.  Was that him?  "I wasn't wearing a tee-shirt."  Is that Ms. Hunter's baby?  "I don't know.  I don't know who that baby is." Could it be you? "Well, it looks like me, but it could have been photoshopped.  Do you know how many babies I've held in the last two years?"  Edwards tried to look sincere and open, but came off seeming shifty and disingenuous.

    And then there was the part about payments Ms. Hunter may have received to the tune of $15,000.  He doesn't know who paid it and he didn't ask anyone to do so.  He only learned about it recently from reporters.  But it turns out it was some campaign finance person.   He tries to smile brightly while he repeats that it wasn't done at his request or on his behalf.

    He says he went to the hotel after being asked to "a meeting" to discuss Ms. Hunter's problems. His motive for going was to convince her not to go public with the affair story. Duh. Was Ms. Hunter shaking him down?  Woodruff doesn't ask, and Edwards doesn't say.

    Edwards says he doesn't know whether his political career is over.  Says he wouldn't have been VP anyway.  Doesn't know whether it would be possible to be AG or someone else in Obama's cabinet.

    Edwards should shut up. The more he talks, the worse it is going to get.

    You're right, he looked pathetic (5.00 / 4) (#11)
    by SueBonnetSue on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:43:29 PM EST
    How could he not know that his political career is over?  

    What did he hope to accomplish with this interview?  Jeri is right, the interview just brought up more questions.  He looked like he was trying to deflect, if not down right lie, about the money, the baby, everything.  

    I also kept thinking that he's done this before.  I suspect that Hillary and Elizabeth have more in common than they ever knew.  

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    I thought it was bad too (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by MichaelGale on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:02:27 AM EST
    as stated, left more unanswered questions.

    I think Edwards came off pretty bad in this and I was hoping for something else...not sure what. There were several things in the interview that opened up new questions and I think there will be more revealed.  The press on this is not going to end anytime soon I fear.

    What a mess.  I think, if I had a political blog, I would not write much about this until there were valid reasons for doing so.

    Yuk.  What a mess.  

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    He was talking like someonne (5.00 / 4) (#37)
    by litigatormom on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:13:32 AM EST
    trying to protect his political career. As noted, he was unwilling to acknowledge that his political career was over. But the end result was to make his political career even deader than it already was.  He really did not seem credible.  He didn't even seem particularly pained or sorry. And all that crap about growing up the son of a millworker?  Really, John?

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    Evoking the humble son of a millworker (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by Roz on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:26:04 AM EST
    line was the worst part. Why would he go back and touch the theme that was most parodied during his campaign? That just came off completely insincere and self-indulgent.

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    I got so much hate at DK when I (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by MarkL on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:28:11 AM EST
    said that Edwards never sounded trustworthy.


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    Ditto. (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by oldpro on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:04:40 AM EST
    From his self-serving comments re Bill Clinton's Monica affair to the present day...insincere, transparent, self-indulgent, arrogant and phony.

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    He always seemed that (5.00 / 2) (#171)
    by jb64 on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:52:49 AM EST
    way to me. I don't know why anybody ever bought into this guy. I guess people will fall for anybody that will tell them what they want to hear.

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    Why an interview? (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by waldenpond on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:14:12 AM EST
    At first I thought the Obama campaign must know, but there is no way they would have gone along with an interview like this.   There should have been a press release and then silence.  He embarrassed himself.  This is not going away.  The money dealings will be uncovered and he volunteered to do a DNA test.

    Someone tell him to stop using the phrase 'apparent father'!

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    Well, he can't use the word (5.00 / 5) (#125)
    by Anne on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:48:10 AM EST
    "presumptive" because that reminds people too much of this political contest that's going on, and he can't use "putative" because not enough people know what that means.

    And my guess is that he wouldn't have told Elizabeth about this meeting in LA if he hadn't been ambushed by the "tabloid reporters" and realized it was going to be pretty hard to explain leaving this hotel at 2:00 in the morning.

    And, I'm sorry, but the more he talked about how much he loves Elizabeth and respects her and admires her, the less sense it all made for me: when he had the opportunity to cheat and the ego to believe he could get away with it, he decided to risk a 30-year relationship and his family?  

    The obvious question is, was this the only time, and the only person he cheated with?

    If the LA meeting was a shakedown, sure, that's bad, and I'm not excusing anyone's criminal behavior, but...there's no shakedown if Edwards doesn't cheat.  

    As for whether there might be some kind of investigation going on, his "confession" out of the blue like this looks weird.  If he did go to the authorities, wouldn't Hunter and the others involved have had some inkling about it?  Wouldn't those authorities perhaps have wanted Edwards to go along with it as a means of getting actual evidence that it was happening?  Wouldn't Edwards going public put a crimp in that investigation?  Or have I been reading too many crime novels and watching too much TV?

    I don't think this interview helped him, and I think it also hurts the Democratic party.

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    True (none / 0) (#60)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:36:36 AM EST
    Not funny "ha ha", but so funny "odd" to call Woodruff to come to his home so he could conduct the interview, then trying not to answer the questions he HAD to know where going to be asked.

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    see my update (none / 0) (#75)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:58:20 AM EST
    on why he might have come forward now.

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    I agree with the theory (none / 0) (#195)
    by waldenpond on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:53:19 AM EST
    On Fox, (I know, give me a break) the Enquirer guy was on.... could very well he was trying to embellish, but he more than suggested it was the mother and the other guy that tipped them off.

    Still, why this rather sad interview?  

    This should have been done differently to protect his party.  Edwards could have done a press release rather than an interview.  

    How to handle the shake down and history of money?  He had to know it would be investigated.  He could have stated that he had contacted the authorities to investigate this as he had concerns about money handling, etc.  

    Is he the father?  He should have said he has requested through the court a DNA test and will wait for them to resolve the issue.  His rather sad reference turned it in to a 'baby daddy' tabloid magazine fiasco (Anna Nicole.)

    I agree with the theory, just not that Edwards made the admission well or that the Obama camp knew about this.  There was no damage control for his party.

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    He who represents himself has a (5.00 / 4) (#120)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:33:50 AM EST
    fool for a lawyer?

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    Why did he admit it now? (none / 0) (#9)
    by SueBonnetSue on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:38:09 PM EST
    The press has ignored this for two years and would have continued to ignore it.  So why did Edwards feel he had to admit it now?  It only made him look bad.  If he had kept quiet no one would have known about it.  Why not keep denying it?  

    The National Enquirer was stalking him (5.00 / 4) (#33)
    by litigatormom on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:10:05 AM EST
    Plus, from the sounds of it, Ms. Hunter was shaking him down. He gets asked to go to a hotel for a "meeting" with Hunter where she was going to tell him about her problems.  He says he went because he wanted to convince her not to disclose the affair.  

    Well, why was he trying to convince her of that unless she was threatening to go public or trying to shake him down?

    A year ago it was just the National Enquirer without photos or corroborating evidence.  Now they had reporters who chased Edwards down through a hotel as he tried to avoid having his picture taken as he left Hunter's hotel.

    He had to say something.  But if he thinks he's saved his political career, he's kidding himself.  I don't think you can analogize the Bill Clinton/Gennifer Flowers thing.  As soon as Flowers made her public accusation, Clinton immediately got on top of the story by arranging to go on 60 Minutes. He admitted "causing pain in his marriage."  Everyone knew what he was talking about. The public decided they'd heard enough and moved on.

    Edwards has been denying this story for years. He had to be hounded into admitting the affair.  His behavior here is, sadly, more like Clinton's reaction to the Lewinsky stories. Clinton should have remembered how he handled the Flowers thing.

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    Crucial for Bill Clinton in the Flowers case (5.00 / 7) (#103)
    by Cream City on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:45:20 AM EST
    in his campaign, of course, was that when he went on national tv, Hillary Clinton was at his side.  (Headband and all.:-)  We are told over and over that no matter what is said, the visual matters most.  What America saw was that he had worked it out with his wife.  That made a major difference.

    (To this day, I cannot imagine what that cost Senator Clinton.  An early sign of her grit.)

    That Edwards' wife was not with him in this interview makes a lot of impact by omission.  

    And, of course, in his case, there is this baby.

    Anyway -- his career is over.  And for what he so pompously and arrogantly said about the Clintons, for his behavior toward Senator Clinton, and for his costing us the president we needed -- I send to the Senator the wonderful words of Bacon:

    Revenge is a kind of wild justice.

    There are no words of comfort for this country.

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    Remember Henry Cisneros? (none / 0) (#105)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:49:52 AM EST
    Elizabeth Edwards is a modern-day (none / 0) (#106)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:50:54 AM EST
    perp-walker, stand by my man, kind of gal. I know, I'll post a diary on DK.  

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    litigator mom (none / 0) (#77)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:03:20 AM EST
    and I are thinking alike. I was writing my update while you posted this and didn't see it until just now.

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    Edwards is certainly telegraphing that he was (5.00 / 3) (#172)
    by kempis on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:53:34 AM EST
    being shaken down. If he was, I do hope there is an investigation. Edwards was an idiot, but if she's been extorting money from his campaign, then she's pretty awful, too.

    Others may argue that she's done it for her child, but there are other, less-vicious ways to provide for a child when you have connections. And I think it's important for children to learn from their parent what's right and wrong--and that kind of modeling is worth more than whatever money one can gain through dishonest or less-than-honorable means.

    Anyway, if she blackmailed Edwards and/or his campaign, I hope she's a little worried today that at least the ride is over and, worse, the feds may be knocking on her door soon.

     

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    Good point (none / 0) (#220)
    by kempis on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:45:18 PM EST
    And if he continues to hint that he's been victimized by blackmail and Ms. Hunter is innocent, then this thing may REALLY blow up as she figures she must go public--or to court--to defend herself.

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    Per Huff Post (that usually unreliable (none / 0) (#101)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:40:30 AM EST
    source), Edwards met her in a bar and she is an admitted former party-hardy gal who saw the light.  

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    I see you posted my very question before I did (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by frankly0 on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:20:27 AM EST
    didn't happen to read your comment first

    I agree -- it's just odd that he felt he couldn't have kept up the denials.

    I mean, he has no office that requires him to be under constant public scrutiny, or such that the press has any real excuse to hound him over the question.

    So why now?

    My guess is that there was some fairly immediate threat of exposure that he couldn't otherwise handle.

    Which suggests that we may be hearing from other parties, or about other parties, quite soon.

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    Admitting a failing to family (none / 0) (#19)
    by SueBonnetSue on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:54:46 PM EST
    Is a bit different than telling the world.  I understand why he would want to unburden himself with Elizabeth, so that he could feel better. (Of course that would be to make HIM feel better while devastating his wife.)  But I cannot understand why he thought he had to tell the world about it.  

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    He had to come clean because the story was (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Angel on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:59:15 PM EST
    out there.  Perhaps Ms. Hunter was going to go public with it.  But if he had tried to stay silent the press would have hounded him forever.  He probably had to do it because Elizabeth said he had to.  She said in her blog that helicopters had been flying over there house, etc.  So I guess she was sick and tired of everything and wanted to get it out there knowing that eventually the press would move on to another story.  That is until the father of the baby is determined to be him....or not.  

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    You may be right (none / 0) (#25)
    by SueBonnetSue on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:03:35 AM EST
    Even though the MSM wouldn't touch the story, it was out there and has been for a long time.  

    Perhaps Elizabeth forced him to deal with it.  If so, good for her!  I've always thought she was tough as nails!

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    ...."their" house .... (none / 0) (#26)
    by Angel on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:04:13 AM EST
    Ever wonder why that house is (none / 0) (#99)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:38:00 AM EST
    so, so huge?  

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    What I can't understand (none / 0) (#185)
    by stinger on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:16:38 AM EST
    is why some people think that she should have told the world about it!

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    That won't happen (none / 0) (#29)
    by SueBonnetSue on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:05:06 AM EST
    No one can prove that Obama offered Edwards anything and I seriously doubt that he did.  

    You can seriously (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by oldpro on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:43:24 AM EST
    doubt all you want but it would not be a surprise to learn they cut a deal for Edwards -- finally -- to endorse Obama.

    Makes more sense now why Elizabeth spoke out and said that she preferred Hillary's healthcare plan.

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    OK, a very naive question. (none / 0) (#30)
    by frankly0 on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:06:52 AM EST
    Does anybody understand why Edwards came out with this now?

    I mean, he could easily have basically retreated into background noise, right? He had no public (or other, so far as I know) office. Why couldn't he just continue to deny it, and receded from public view?

    Was he perhaps being forced into it by something his former lover threatened? By someone else?

    I can't say I understand why he couldn't just keep denying it.

    That's the question we're all asking (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by SueBonnetSue on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:27:06 AM EST
    I think we've concluded that something else is about to come out.  Either Ms.Hunter is going to tell all, or the child is his, or one of the main stream papers was about to report it.  Perhaps all of the above.  

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    There's reports (none / 0) (#51)
    by Little Fish on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:28:42 AM EST
    that he was being pressured.

    Plus it sounds like the NC main stream press was starting to talk about it.  

    But the timing seems odd. On the whole thing.  Right before the convention? Hmmm.

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    Right before the OLYMPICS (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by oldpro on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:23:50 AM EST
    which gets most of the headlines for two full weeks.  No doubt this was timed, hoping it couldn't stay of interest as the rah-rah sports coverage drowns out most everything else...then, the conventions etc.

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    the interview (none / 0) (#150)
    by Josey on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:36:33 AM EST
    coincided with the lighting of the Olympic Flame.


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    That story said (none / 0) (#61)
    by SueBonnetSue on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:36:59 AM EST
    >>>Edwards is being told that if he fails to clear up the story in short order, he risks being shunted aside by party leaders and not being asked to address the convention, The Charlotte (N.C.) Observer said.<<<

    Huh?  As soon as Edwards admitted the affair Obama announced that neither John or Elizabeth would be attending the democratic convention!  

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    WHY did Obama say anything about this matter? (5.00 / 3) (#155)
    by jawbone on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 07:18:46 AM EST
    C'mon, that was rookie. "Personal affair," "private matter," etc. "I respect both John and Elizabeth Edwards and at this time my hopes and prayers are for them to work this out." Or something like that that Axelrod and the speechwriters put together.

    Then Obama shuts up about it.

    To announce that neither would attend the Dem convention? When Edwards has delegates? That was either presumptuous...or imperious.

    It was up to either John or Elizabeth or both to say they would or would not attend the convention.

    Authoritarianism is hard to suppress, Sen. Obama, right? We've had one control freak in the WH--are we getting another?

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    Maybe Obama asked him (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by SoCalLiberal on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:24:40 AM EST
    I mean, it's a good way to reduce Obama fatigue and create a story where people aren't hearing about him.  This and Kwame Kilpatrick sitting in jail are major helps to Obama.  

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    Hey, real life question here: (none / 0) (#70)
    by MarkL on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:47:10 AM EST
    and related to the topic.
    I'm gay. I know a woman who is married, and I found out her husband is gay (but he doesn't know about me). I'd consider her somewhat of a friend---I actually knew her father in another city.
    Should I tell her? My inclination is not to, but what do you think?
    (he is looking for sex on the side).


    Please don't hijack the thread (none / 0) (#91)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:20:36 AM EST
    there are open threads for this. I'll give you a chance to repost on one before deleting this. We only have room for 200 comments, please make them on topic.

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    This story is over (none / 0) (#85)
    by ChuckieTomato on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:09:20 AM EST
    He hurt the democratic party, because he could have been truthful or dropped out before the primaries.

    This will be relegated to the tabloids after the Sunday TV shows. The real story is that he is human. If humans were perfect there would be no legal system.

    Not Quite (none / 0) (#147)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:57:25 AM EST
    ABC was doing lead-ins tonight already ... Monday morning GMA will have unanswered questions and (if I heard them correctly) an exclusive interview with......Rielle.

    They must be anticipating a quiet 10 days while Obama is in Hawaii.


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    A moral dilemna may ensue. What (none / 0) (#104)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:45:33 AM EST
    if Edwards was wired?

    wow, now that's a thought (none / 0) (#107)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:51:45 AM EST
    I have to ponder that one.

    But, since California is a two party state for wiretapping where both parties have to consent to the recording, could they do that? (I live in a one party state where it's allowed and done all the time so I never had occasion to check.)

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    Hypo: Hunter and co. threaten (none / 0) (#108)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:56:14 AM EST
    to go to the press if Edwards and/or his surrogates don't increase the payments substantially.  Edwards goes to the FBI or LAPD or LA County Sheriff, who wire him,  Many, but not all, California law enforcement agencies are exempt from the California Penal Code bar on taping phone calls unless each party consents. Also, the statute has express exceptions.  

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    Next up: Joseph Wambaugh , Scott (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:57:43 AM EST
    Turow, Vincent Bugliosi, John Grisham, etc.  

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    Makes perfect sense (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:00:01 AM EST
    thanks.

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    Of course, I'm entirely blowing (none / 0) (#129)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:58:42 AM EST
    smoke.

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    The thing is (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by joanneleon on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 04:36:36 AM EST
    if he was cooperating with authorities, why would he try so hard to avoid the NE reporters and photographer?  Supposedly he went into a bathroom until security got the press out of the way.

    If he was going to be part of an investigation, the information would be public soon anyway.

    It sounds more like he went there trying to settle this quietly, on his own.

    I'm thinking that they first started to pressure him for money before the Super Tuesday primaries, and that's why he dropped out.  He figured they'd lay off if he was no longer running.  But then they kept it up, perhaps because he was in the running for the VP slot.  So they upped the ante, and that's when he met with her at the hotel, trying to reason with her, and when he realized they were not going to stop, he went public and gave up the political career entirely, so that they would have nothing to hold over him anymore.

    I also don't think the child is his.  Why bother confessing in public about everything else but the child?  Why say that he'd be glad to do a paternity test?  She could refuse to do a DNA test just to keep the question open and keep the story alive, for the money she'd get from the press.  Hopefully a judge would allow him to determine have the testing done if she refused and he wanted to clear that issue up.

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    express exceptions being the criminal (none / 0) (#217)
    by hellothere on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:49:52 AM EST
    aspect of this?

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    Aha. Makes sense (none / 0) (#118)
    by Cream City on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:25:50 AM EST
    with your further explication in followup comments.

    But there definitely was pressure that this was coming out in the press soon, from what I put together in interviews with the Enquirer and with Edwards' spokesperson, a Jennifer Palmieri.  The Enquirer was ticked at Edwards' dissing of it as tabloid trash, blah blah blah, when it knew that he was lying.

    And the spokesperson knew about it all, you bet -- by the way she carefully did not and could not answer some questions.  So as noted above by Ben, there may be third parties in this.  The staffer who claimed the child is his, for one.  And he seems to be living in a multimillion mansion, too, just like Lisa Druck aka Rielle Hunter.  Hmmm.

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    Then why not wait to explain it? (none / 0) (#113)
    by SueBonnetSue on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:02:49 AM EST
    Why not wait until the investigation is complete and then discuss it?  

    In the course of MYcampaign you may hear rumors. (none / 0) (#114)
    by Ben Masel on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:15:57 AM EST
    Chances are, they're true. So?

    Ben, are you hoping for some (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:39:31 AM EST
    freebie publicity in the NE?

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    He didn't even get to Super Tuesday (none / 0) (#116)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:21:26 AM EST
    and he sure won't be trying again in the future. The moral side of this isn't about a candidate for President.


    I deleted the comment you are replying to (none / 0) (#117)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:23:00 AM EST
    for a personal attack on Bill Clinton. Character attacks aren't welcome here. Calling him a terrible father was out of bounds.

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    Thank. May the Edwards children (5.00 / 2) (#119)
    by Cream City on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:28:29 AM EST
    turn out as well as Chelsea Clinton seems to have done.  May they all love their parents and forgive their failings -- as my children have done for me.

    That's maturity -- for children, for families.  It sucks, but it has its upside, once everyone manages to grow up somehow.  Some later than others.:-)  

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    Philanderers make the best fathers? (2.00 / 3) (#131)
    by SueBonnetSue on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:00:39 AM EST
    Does anyone really think that?  Does anyone really believe that a cheating father does not effect his wife and his children?  

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    That is not what I said. (5.00 / 4) (#136)
    by Cream City on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:10:41 AM EST
    And you know it.  Reply to your own comments with the conversation you seem to want.

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    shrugs (none / 0) (#122)
    by boredmpa on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:35:38 AM EST
    i have as hard a time understanding why folks are so completely outraged and armchair psychoanalyzing this as people have a hard time understanding that i  wont work for an agency that wants to psychoanalyze why i had bad grades 10 years ago in undergrad (diversity discrimination.  

    I'm really not outraged (5.00 / 1) (#183)
    by americanincanada on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:08:32 AM EST
    and don't even care about the story anymore beyond being angry at the implications and shadows it cast on the primary for me.

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    Please, God, let something (none / 0) (#126)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:48:23 AM EST
    (anything, really) newsworthy happen overnight tonight.

    Hahaha (none / 0) (#133)
    by SueBonnetSue on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:03:09 AM EST
    You're so right.  A year from now people will be trying to remember who John Edwards was.  

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    Hunter's sister wants Edwards to do paternity test (none / 0) (#190)
    by kempis on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:27:48 AM EST
    link

    Maybe she wasn't blackmailing him after all. Maybe Edwards has decided to spin it this way when in fact that's not the case.

    Fact is, we just don't know. The blackmail theory sounds plausible to me. But it's also plausible to think that Edwards was more deeply entangled than he wanted Elizabeth and the public to know--and he's hinting that he's been a victim of extortion as a means to deflect the blame. He is, after all, a politician.

    If I'm not mistaken, a putative (none / 0) (#197)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:55:17 AM EST
    father may file a request in court for a paternity test.  Of course, if the result is that the requestor is the father, the mother may then file a request for child support, which may also involve custody questions.  

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    Today: NYT and LA Times (none / 0) (#206)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:18:38 AM EST
    are already in the navel-gazing stage, a la NYT article about McCain and the female lobbyist.  

    another meeting (none / 0) (#215)
    by CHDmom on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:41:28 AM EST
    One of the guys from the National Eng was on Fox last night and said, but the thing is, he also met Hunter in June at the same Hotel. But he didn't give what hours that meeting was.

    OK conspiracy theory here, but maybe the original (none / 0) (#223)
    by allimom99 on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:28:53 PM EST
    leaking of this story is connected to Obama - remember, when it first came out, JE was still a competitor, and we all know how Obama rolls when it comes to eliminating the competition. Think Jack Ryan (never proven, but AWFULLY convenient in its timeing), Alice Palmer, and the other opponent whose name escapes me, but also had embarrassing personal situation expoed at just the right time.

    Jeralyn points out that earlier attention to this story could well have affected the primary outcome. Just wondering - Obama has been preety mum all along on this item.

    dropping out before supertuesday (none / 0) (#224)
    by Salo on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 04:45:42 PM EST
    John sorta handed Obama the win. It wasn't clear at the time of course. Some people predicted that it would assist Clinton. In the end anti Clinton voters only had Obama to vote for.

    On the question of the affair: Most men leave their wives at some point. Either through divorce or through affairs. Quite a lot of Women leave their men through divorce or affairs as well. What literature would we have if people were straight with spouses?...different rules for politics though. We have to hypocritcally maintain the pretence of fidelity with our leaders.