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Palin Lawyers Up in TrooperGate

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has retained counsel to represent her in an legislative investigation into whether she abused her power in Troopergate.

Anchorage attorney Thomas V. Van Flein has requested a copy of all witness statements and documentary evidence from the Legislature's investigator, Stephen Branchflower.

Sen. Hollis French, an Anchorage Democrat, responded on behalf of Branchflower, saying he instructed Branchflower not to comply with the request.

Lawyering up is the smart thing to do. She probably should have done it months ago. Retaining a lawyer bears no connection to guilt. No inference of wrong-doing should be drawn from it. [More...]

When the government sets its sights on you, the smartest thing you can do is shut up and let a lawyer speak for you. The jails are filled with people who thought if they could only tell their side of the story, investigators would see it their way.

Palin is facing a legislative investigation, not criminal charges. But the charges relate to abuse of power and it is quite unusual that a candidate for Vice-President of the United States would be under investigation during the campaign.

Update: From the AP:

A senior McCain adviser, Tucker Eskew, said, "The governor of every state gets legal counsel, and this attorney is part of a weeks-old effort to provide this governor defense in a series of outlandish, politically motivated charges. ... It is a matter of her job and is not recent, and it is not related to her selection on the McCain-Palin ticket."

Palin's decision to hire the attorney was disclosed by the Legislature's investigating committee, which released a message it had received from her new lawyer on Friday.

" We have been hired to represent the Governor and the Governor's Office" in the investigation, Anchorage attorney Thomas V. Van Flein wrote. "We fully welcome a fair inquiry into these allegations. ... Please know that we intend to cooperate with this investigation." (my emphasis.)

I wonder what he means by "a series of charges?" Were the allegations not all brought at the same time or related to the same thing? If the lawyer is advising the committee for the first time on Friday that he's representing Palin, is he a new lawyer substituting for a previous attorney? It sounds to me, contrary to the McCain campaigns statement, he was recently retained.

My curiosity relates to whether the McCain campaign is advising her on this matter.

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    Dana Bash says the lawyer was hired a few weeks ago not yesterday or this week

    I would regard that (none / 0) (#115)
    by nrglaw on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:16:15 PM EST
    as a new hire. They've just been keeping him in the background. Time for him to make his appearance, I guess.

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    Now saying..... (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by michitucky on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 04:41:45 PM EST
    That the AP has overstated the story, as the attorney is acting as her attorney and attorney to the Office of the Governor...They do not have an in-house attorney.

    Also, as mentioned, attorney was previously hired, not today as reported.

    who reported it was today? (none / 0) (#15)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:00:42 PM EST
    It's a holiday. The article I cited didn't say it was today and either did I.

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    Your source (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by LatinoVoter on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:31:59 PM EST
    gives the impression that it was today and both of your are writing in the present tense not the past tense which is when the lawyering up happened.

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    Yeah but (none / 0) (#71)
    by Rashomon66 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:59:35 PM EST
    The main point is she is lawyering up. When she did it is somewhat irrelevant - except maybe it hints at the fact that she is doing it now that she is a VP. Either way she's doing it.
    I would add that 'Lawering up ' may be smart but will seem suspect in the eyes of some. Although Palin has been vetted by McCain she has not been vetted by the media or the public. That is the risk of choosing someone few know anything about.


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    What you say is (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by LatinoVoter on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 06:06:35 PM EST
    very true

    I would add that 'Lawering up ' may be smart but will seem suspect in the eyes of some.

    Which is why people are pointing out that it should be reported accurately because people will suspect that she did it because she's a VP contender.

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    Then shouldn't the title be (5.00 / 4) (#80)
    by echinopsia on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 06:20:13 PM EST
    "Palin lawyered up" (past tense) rather than "lawyers up" (present tense)?

    Just to be perfectly accurate?

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    It was on...... (none / 0) (#21)
    by michitucky on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:03:18 PM EST
    MSNBC and CNN......

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    Here you go...... (none / 0) (#85)
    by michitucky on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 06:28:01 PM EST

    We have been hired to represent the Governor and the Governor's Office" in the investigation, Anchorage attorney Thomas V. Van Flein wrote. "We fully welcome a fair inquiry into these allegations. ... Please know that we intend to cooperate with this investigation."


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    Poppycock (none / 0) (#116)
    by nrglaw on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:18:21 PM EST
    Her attorney is representing her personally. He is not representing the Governor's office. I have not seen that reported anywhere.

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    I'm pretty sure (5.00 / 13) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 04:42:44 PM EST
    Al Gore "lawyered up" during Congress' fundraising investigatio9ns in the 90s.

    And I know Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton "lawyered up" in the 90s.

    I hate when we become like the Republicans.

    My memory does not fail (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 04:51:23 PM EST
    NYTimes Archives:

    Mr. Gore learned of the Attorney General's decision while en route to San Francisco from Hawaii and declined to comment. But his lawyer said today that Mr. Gore had done nothing wrong. "The Vice President volunteered to be interviewed, and he has been interviewed twice," said the lawyer, James F. Neal. "I am totally satisfied that Vice President Gore has fully, completely and honestly answered every question asked of him, and I am confident that when this investigation is completed, the Department of Justice will reach the same conclusion."


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    Indeed (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 04:54:52 PM EST
    Salon"

    A Gore scandal guide for dummies
    From the Buddhist nuns to the "iced tea defense"

    - - - - - - - - - - - -
    By Anthony York

    June 24, 2000 | The biggest challenge for Vice President Al Gore this campaign season will not be stepping out of Bill Clinton's shadow, but shedding the image of scandal that surrounds the Clinton-Gore administration. Those efforts were hampered again this week, when Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Penn., revealed that top officials within the Justice Department are urging Attorney General Janet Reno again to appoint an independent counsel to investigate the possibility that Gore misled DOJ officials about his fundraising activities in 1996.

    Now, the investigation would not be about the fundraising, only about the possible coverup of his fundraising. Gore released the entire transcript of his April Q-and-A session with investigators Friday, which included a denial about the infamous Buddhist temple fundraiser in 1996.



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    This was just a right-wing smear (5.00 / 5) (#17)
    by BernieO on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:01:34 PM EST
    Gore had had a fundraiser scheduled for this community of Buddhists at one site, but when they realized it was too small for all who wanted to come, they moved it to a temple. When the Gore campaign learned of the new venue they told the organizers that it would not be legal to hold a fundraiser so instead Gore just came and gave a speech and DID NOT ASK FOR MONEY. There were sign up lists so people were contacted later and asked for contributions, but there was nothing illegal at all about what went on here. Our so-called liberal media knew these facts but decided it was more fun to go with the Republican version. They despised Clinton and transferred their disdain to Gore.
    That is just one example of why I believe the media bears the largest share of the blame for Bush getting elected and putting us on such a disastrous path.

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    Indeed (5.00 / 7) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:03:05 PM EST
    It amounted to nothing.

    And yet, Gore "LAWYERED UP!"

    See my point?

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    BTD, I sent you (none / 0) (#54)
    by LatinoVoter on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:34:03 PM EST
    an e-mail at the yahoo account in your profile. I hope you get it and give the idea some serious consideration.

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    I think she meant to say (none / 0) (#108)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:06:38 PM EST
    Palin Lawyers are Up on Troopergate. Meaning they are fully informed and feeling confident she will be cleared. There just wasn't room on the line to fit it all in.

    :)

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    I knew BTD couldn't stay away ... (none / 0) (#18)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:01:37 PM EST
    for long.

    He's addicted to TalkLeft.

    ;)

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    No (5.00 / 8) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:04:29 PM EST
    Actually, I mean I was not going to post.

    I must admit, this post bothers me more than most.

    I wanted to remind people of all the Democrats who "lawyered up" - including our candidates for President in 1996 and 2000.

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    I said twice in the intro (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:12:27 PM EST
    lawyering up is not an indication of wrong-doing or guilt.

    Parent
    Hmm (5.00 / 3) (#45)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:18:09 PM EST
    So your post was a rebuttal to those who claim it is? If you say so.

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    I suspect that BTD's point is that (5.00 / 5) (#49)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:21:59 PM EST
    use of the phrase "Palin Lawyers Up" carries with it an impression that is altogether different than say, "Palin Retains Counsel."

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    But having evidence ... (none / 0) (#47)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:19:19 PM EST
    to back up that statement was helpful.

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    Retaining counsel is a significant act (none / 0) (#133)
    by nrglaw on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:25:29 PM EST
    I never thought you were saying anything about guilt or innocense.

    For me as a lawyer, when another party hires counsel and then makes that known to me in a formal way, that is significant. Its significant because it signals a change in the state of play in a dispute or confrontation, and a change in the cast of characters.

    I thought the post was completely legit.

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    It is helpful ... (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:15:32 PM EST
    and I'm glad you did.

    To paraphrase Obama:

    "Lawyering up is neither a Republican decision or a Democratic decision ... it's an American decision."

    ;)

    But, seriously, your posts were helpful.

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    John McCain, John McCain. In all honesty BTD, (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by Teresa on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 04:52:30 PM EST
    this blog is far better than the rest, but I agree with you. Is our goal to get her to resign as VP candidate and give McCain a do-over to get a better one?

    The backlash from women could be severe. The Republican women I know are fired up and I don't want to add sympathetic independents to them.

    Obama's statement was pure class.

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    Yes, that's my goal (none / 0) (#23)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:05:38 PM EST
    I don't want to take a chance the evangelical right will catapult her to the vice-presidency. She's not qualified.

    I predicted she would crash and burn and demolish McCain's campaign the day she was appointed. I'm still hoping she does.

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    Why do you want him to have a better VP (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Teresa on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:08:31 PM EST
    candidate? In case he wins and something happens to McCain?

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    not looking for better (none / 0) (#37)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:14:31 PM EST
    I'm looking for one that won't mobilize the radical right. And one that if need be, is competent to assume the presidency.

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    But we ARE mobilizing them the more we (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by Teresa on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:16:04 PM EST
    concentrate on her.

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    The ;more it looks like she is (5.00 / 3) (#64)
    by Grace on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:48:51 PM EST
    being picked on, the more others will gravitate towards her too.  Not just right wingers, but others who feel fairness is an issue.  

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    You've got that right, (none / 0) (#126)
    by SueBonnetSue on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:47:19 PM EST
    The more we focus on her, the better it is for McCain.  If the left drives Palin off the ticket, we are doomed.  America will view the left as bullies who pick on women.  First they drive Hillary off the democrat ticket, and then Sarah.  People will leap to the defense of a woman, mother of five, soon to be grandmother, etc.  Driving her off the ticket will NOT benefit Obama.  I can guarantee it.  

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    I think if a VP pick has to withdraw for any (none / 0) (#48)
    by steviez314 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:21:18 PM EST
    reason non-medical, the campaign cannot recover.

    Everyone says that picking a VP is the first, most important decision, so it would really destroy the Presidental candidate's viability.

    Aside from that, however mad the religious right might get at the Democrats, they would never forgive McCain.

    And since we all know who McCain's real choice was....yowza!

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    If it looks like McCain had to dump (5.00 / 3) (#61)
    by Valhalla on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:45:41 PM EST
    Palin for another vp pick because of Democratic bullying, it will only further fire up the evangelical base.

    Also, if it's perceived as partisan bullying, and McCain positions himself as standing tall against it.

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    You're right ... (none / 0) (#90)
    by santarita on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 06:47:47 PM EST
    you need only look at George McGovern and Thomas Eagleton.

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    Of course probably the ... (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:18:09 PM EST
    only people who could get a VP off the Republican ticket ARE the radical right.

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    Jeralyn, I think you were right (none / 0) (#63)
    by Dr Molly on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:47:45 PM EST
    the other day when you said that McCain effectively conceded the election when he picked Palin. That ticket is just not going to fly. I don't know what he was thinking. She doesn't need to crash and burn, it just won't fly.

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    I am truly curious (5.00 / 4) (#66)
    by Marvin42 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:52:52 PM EST
    What makes you say that? I know there are many "facts" flying around the blogosphere past few days, and if you look at that you would get a very distorted picture of things.

    I think you have to wait and see how she is rolled out at the convention, how she is received in the swing states, then you can decide.

    I for one still believe that this was the move that will eventually be credited with McCain winning the election (if he does).

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    I just think it was a huge risk to pick her (none / 0) (#69)
    by Dr Molly on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:57:22 PM EST
    Yes, she will fire up the evangelical base, but she will also turn off independent and some republican men IMO. But I don't know....

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#73)
    by Marvin42 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 06:02:43 PM EST
    I was honestly curious that you may have noticed or intuited something that has not been seen yet.

    Whatever happens it won't be dull.

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    I also believe that they will effectively (none / 0) (#76)
    by Dr Molly on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 06:10:26 PM EST
    use sexism as one of their weapons to take her down.

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    You (5.00 / 4) (#79)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 06:16:10 PM EST
    may be right but honestly the reaction from the Dems has been like the election is lost now. And they continue to pick at scabs from the primaries. It's like they don't know how to fight on the issues.

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    I'm not seeing that (none / 0) (#127)
    by SueBonnetSue on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:50:09 PM EST
    Men seem to like her even more than women, according to the polls and independents REALLY like her.   Republicans are now backing McCain by 90%!  Much better than we have ever done with our candidate.

     

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    Jury is still out on that (none / 0) (#67)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:53:25 PM EST
    Dr. Molly.  Stuff has to sort itself out yet, and they haven't had the meat of their convention.

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    True... (none / 0) (#70)
    by Dr Molly on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:57:44 PM EST
    And we have a zero tolerance policy (none / 0) (#27)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:08:16 PM EST
    on comments about her personal life.  Don't open it up with Obama's statement please.

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    If we must talk about Palin (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:08:14 PM EST
    would it not be better to discuss how her ties with Senator Stevens and changing positions on the bridge to nowhere (while keeping our federal tax dollars!) is fundamentally opposite her alleged goo goo reformer pose?

    That at least has the virtue of undermining her carefully crafted persona as well as McCain's.

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    Very excellent point. (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 06:13:01 PM EST
    I really hope we can stick to the issues and relevant aspects of her background... I'm already so sick of the left's freaking out over Palin I may have to start smoking cigarettes again.

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    Perhaps someone will right about that as well (none / 0) (#30)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:09:29 PM EST
    this is about the legislative investigation into whether she abused her power.

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    make that write instead of right (none / 0) (#33)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:10:57 PM EST
    Well (5.00 / 4) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:45:22 PM EST
    I'm with you on this. Certainly this issue should be discussed but becoming the GOP of the 90's only makes me want to sit home this election. Now, I don't mind a fight on the issues but I'm so tired of this I could scream.

    I'm already hearing female dems demoralized by the behavior of the Obama campaign when the Palin announcement was made. It may even start to put downticket races in peril.

    Can we not stick to the issues? That's the winner. Besides, it's a repeat of the Dole '96 campaign of trying to scandal his way into office. I wish people would try to remember that Obama has a lot of baggage too.

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    The Obama campaign (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:55:07 PM EST
    has behaved extremely well on the Palin matter.

    I do not know why you feel the need to always criticize the Obama campaign when it has done nothing wrong.

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    No (5.00 / 3) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 06:00:04 PM EST
    All the talking about how unqualified she is. The statement from Burton was bad. Now, I agree with you that the statement Obama put out today was really good.

    Do you think Burton's statement was good?

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    After their initial reaction (5.00 / 3) (#74)
    by Cream City on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 06:03:45 PM EST
    they did better.  But the initial reaction was not good.  Obama himself had to discredit it, so he must disagree with you that it did nothing wrong.


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    so did Karl Rove (none / 0) (#14)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 04:59:17 PM EST
    and numerous others under legislative investigation.

    Was Al Gore a candidate for Vice President when he was under investigation?

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    No (5.00 / 5) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:00:47 PM EST
    A candidate for President actually.

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    Again, this only relates to McCain's judgment (none / 0) (#24)
    by steviez314 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:05:38 PM EST
    in my opinion.

    You cannot tell me that if you were running for president, and knew all these things about a potential VP pick (assuming you even knew, still to be determined), that it would be politically wise to choose that person.

    There's a fine line between maverick-y and irresponsible.

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    Really? (5.00 / 8) (#29)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:08:45 PM EST
    What does it say then about our judgment as Democrats that we nominated Bill Clinton and Al Gore who were "lawyered up?"

    Here's what I think it means, absolutely nothing.

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    yes, you've made that quite clear (none / 0) (#31)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:10:35 PM EST
    Better in comments than in another post (5.00 / 4) (#38)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:15:05 PM EST
    rebutting this one.

    I just demonstrated that in fact, Al Gore, our 2000 Presidential candidate, was "lawyered up," while Vice President and while a Presidential candidate. Not to mention the Clintons through the 90s.

    It ill behooves Democrats to argue that it is "unusual" imo.

    I think this post is wrongheaded and I would rather write that in comments than in a post.

    For the record, all of my comments are on topic.

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    For all we know, voters in 2000 DID think (none / 0) (#36)
    by steviez314 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:13:50 PM EST
    it meant something about our judgment.

    But in any case, I'm talking about the judgment of one man who might be President.

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    I imagine some did (5.00 / 9) (#41)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:16:53 PM EST
    I also imagine most Democrats did NOT argue that it reflected on Gore' or our judgment.

    I am not a big fan of abandoning my principles because it is convenient to my political team.

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    What if you knew you might (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:17:56 PM EST
    want to run for president? Don't you think you might want to think about your associations?

    Could be they vetted her and found no "there" there? They prob did the same with her as the others considered and weighed the positives and negatives. Just as Obama did with his pick.

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    Palin became the center of the Democratic world (5.00 / 8) (#32)
    by koshembos on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:10:44 PM EST
    We Democrats lost it altogether when Palin was announced. She became the main topic of discussion and the discussion itself became quite moronic. She is an evangelical, big surprise: did we expect a progressive, she has no foreign policy experience, nor does Obama, and has limited executive experience, Obama has none.

    We pretend that McCain is about 2 months away from kicking the bucket and, vow, this hick becomes president.

    Well, I am totally against any Republican; never voted for one and never will. But she is a relatively young and energetic woman, she has a lot of capabilities, she has done a lot. I just oppose her and not ridicule her and denigrate her.

    Hi - new around here (5.00 / 8) (#46)
    by JAB on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:18:59 PM EST
    Been lurking for a while, but finally signed up (and yes, I read the rules - 10 posts in 24 hours).

    I think you hit the nail on the head.  The Dems took their eyes off the prize.  Sarah Palin has turned the Democratic Party on its head this weekend, and that was exactly the intent.

    Now, this investigation may turn up something, or it may not.  All I know, is this seems to be playing more and more into McCain's hands.

    Karl Rove and the like must be rolling on the floor and laughing - reading all these liberal blogs going absolutely crazy this weekend.

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    Hardly (none / 0) (#52)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:29:11 PM EST
    USA Today/Gallup: Obama by 7 (50-43);
    CBS: Obama by 8 (48-40)

    If that is the case, perhaps we should play more into Rove's hands.

    I would be first to say  the vast majority of people do not vote based upon VP. However, a bad pick could be a drag on the ticket.

    I do think it requires a deft hand to handle and it might be best to let the media do the heavy lifting.
     

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    Do cite the CNN poll, too (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by Cream City on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:36:44 PM EST
    to be fair and balanced and all.

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    But (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by JAB on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:37:39 PM EST
    aren't there polls out today (besides the ones you cited) that show it even, and even some that show McCain ahead?

    Anyway, I don't believe polls right now.  It's been stupid stuff all summer and next week, after we get through the conventions and hurricanes, we'll really start to get a more accurate picture as to where things stand.

    I still think Karl Rove is laughing.  The Dems played right into his hands, and it seems the media and progressive blog sites aren't helping Obama.

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    I know of none showing McCain ahead (none / 0) (#58)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:44:17 PM EST
    CNN appears to be the outlier of the 3. As long as we are being fair and balanced in the reporting, we should be fair and balanced in the analysis too.

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    no one on this site has ridiculed her (none / 0) (#42)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:17:18 PM EST
    and if you falsely state that I have, you will be gone.

    Her position on issues and her record in public office is relevant and important.

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    Because I won't have misinformation (none / 0) (#88)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 06:37:01 PM EST
    on it. And I won't have my words twisted by those with their own agenda. They can get their own blog.

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    Alaskan Ethics Code (5.00 / 3) (#57)
    by Valhalla on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:42:00 PM EST
    Fwiw, I've been poking around Alaskan law.

    Jeralyn is absolutely right, Palin's hiring a lawyer means nothing.  Also, one of the articles seemed to make a big deal about it being a 'private attorney' who was hired but it's quite common for public officials AND state and federal governmental entities to retain outside counsel.

    Here's a link to Alaska's ethics code.

    The relevant section seems to be:

    Sec. 39.52.120. Misuse of official position.
    <snip>
    (5) attempt to benefit a personal or financial interest through coercion of a subordinate or require another public officer to perform services for the private benefit of the public officer at
    any time.

    The method for proceeding, if the legislature's investigation finds evidence for a violation seems to be to bring a complaint to the Atty General, Sec. 39.52.310. Complaints.

    There are a number of penalties for ethics violations, most of which don't apply because she's Governor.  The way I read the statute is that if, as here, the complaint is brought against an officer that can only be disciplined through impeachment, then the AG has to refer the matter back to the Senate.  Alaska's Constitution, Art 2, sec 20, gives the legislature impeachment powers that are procedurally similar to the federal government's.

    What I can't tell is whether the legislature has to proceed through the AG/Ethics board procedures before bringing impeachment proceedings; they may be able to proceed on their own.

    I imagine the legislature may also have powers of lesser penalties/punishments, like fines (the ethics code seems to support fines) or censure, but I haven't found any support for that.

    Also, the situation, if the legislative investigation finds cause to proceed, would also be governed by state ethics regulations.  The ethics regs state that an 'appearance of impropriety' does not constitute a violation.  However, public officials are prohibited from official actions based on 'an improper motivation.'

    Politically, none of this matters; it's all about the court of public opinion.  But I was interested in what the laws are and how they would apply.  Also interested if folks read the Alaskan codes differently than I have.

    thanks, that's very helpful (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:45:39 PM EST
    I would think that they have power to censure (none / 0) (#128)
    by nrglaw on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:54:32 PM EST
    without specific authority in the state Constitution. They can censure anything they like, most probably, just like they can make as many days in honor of things.

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    Very likely, but I was hoping to find (none / 0) (#143)
    by Valhalla on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 02:28:37 AM EST
    evidence in the acts or the regs to support that.  Doesn't mean it's not there -- I started with the most likely places and didn't dig too hard.

    Even if they can't officially censure, they can pass an act saying 'bad, bad governor' -- I don't think there are any limits on what they can pass as a statement.

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    This is not a criminal investigation (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by lousy1 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 06:14:54 PM EST
    If anyone is going to be embarrassed its going to be the the powers who let the misogynistic, child abuser trooper stay on the force, I think that given her direct observation of the brutes behavior Palin used much more restraint than I would.

    That's what I want to hear (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 06:31:29 PM EST
    an explanation of, why this guy was allowed to stay on the force.  Seems to me if Palin had knowlege of violent and abusive behavior of any trooper, she's morally obligated to try to get him out of there.

    It would make a heck of a dilemma for a case study in a government course.

    OTOH, if she went about it in the wrong way somehow, she should be held to account in some way, though based on what little we know, I'd sure vote for a wrist slap if it were up to me.

    But if this turns out to be nothing more than a personal vendetta, obviously, that's a whole 'nother  deal.


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    He was suspended for 10-days (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by ding7777 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 07:10:01 PM EST
    but the Trooper Union protested the suspension - so it was reduced to 5 days.

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    Oh please (none / 0) (#119)
    by nrglaw on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:28:18 PM EST
    Do you think the governor of a state actually should go around policing the ranks of the troopers for bad apples (who happen to be her ex-brother in law)?

    It is a very nasty business when people hire people because they are family. We call that nepotism and it is a recognized abuse of power. I don't think we have a name for it, but it is no less abusive when a governor seeks to have someone fired because, first, they are no longer family and, second, because they are messing with other family members.

    Moral obligation? Baloney!

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    You think if someone knows (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:13:26 PM EST
    a state trooper is violent towards the weaker members of his family, that's OK and his family has no obligation to tell anybody about it?

    I can tell you, if it was my state, I'd sure as heck want the governor or anybody else to do what they had to do to get somebody out of any law enforcement position because I don't want to have to risk dealing with him.

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    The first problem is that she had history (none / 0) (#136)
    by nrglaw on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:37:53 PM EST
    and a family connection to the trooper. That should have been a red flag for Palin. She should have understood that this is something to be handled in the ordinary course, and by subordinates acting without pressure. The incident calls her judgment into question for letting her family issues get wrapped up with the people's business.

    In concrete terms, if she was concerned that the trooper was dangerous, she should have relayed the story to Modegan. And that's it. Going beyond that was stupid.

    The second problem here, though, is that she  has lied about it. Its the old cliche I guess--its not the deed that gets people in trouble. Its the covering up.


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    wow (none / 0) (#89)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 06:39:52 PM EST
    Now he is a misogynistic, child abuser. As he was never charged with child abuse, nor was any complaint made at the time, perhaps sticking with the facts would be better. Rather than going into the timeline and details again, I'll let you find the articles out of Alaska three years ago on this. All prior to Governor Palin or Public Safety Commissioner Monegan taking office.

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    Here's a fact: (5.00 / 3) (#91)
    by Dr Molly on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 06:55:02 PM EST
    He admitted that he TASERED an 11 year old kid. I think that's child abuse.

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    the trooper's conduct is not the issue (none / 0) (#101)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 07:46:14 PM EST
    It's how she and her administration and husband responded to it.

    Vigilante justice is no justice at all. We expect our elected officials to go through the proper channels and adhere to the rules. An investigation is underway to see if she did.

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    Jeralyn (none / 0) (#105)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:00:04 PM EST
    You drop a name that has been barely mentioned here. In reading through the many articles on this case the one person that does stand out as pushing for the firing of the trooper and pressuring the Public Safety Commissioner was the Governor's husband. Whether he was the main instigator or the point man is hard to tell.

    At what point would people connected to the Governor's office feel intimidated into pressing forward on things at the request of the husband? And how could anyone in the Governor's office handle such a dilemma without feeling like they might lose their job? In many of these articles the Governor isn't even mentioned, just her husband.

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    well I disagree on what the issue is (none / 0) (#141)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 06:09:30 AM EST
    At minimum, the tasering was against policy (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by ding7777 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 07:07:08 PM EST
    Troopers eventually investigated 13 issues and found four in which Wooten violated policy or broke the law or both:
    • Wooten used a Taser on his stepson.

    • He illegally shot a moose.

    • He drank beer in his patrol car on one occasion.

    • He told others his father-in-law would "eat a f'ing lead bullet" if he helped his daughter get an attorney for the divorce.


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    Okay, point #4 (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Grace on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 07:21:41 PM EST
    is beyond pale.  That is threatening his father-in-law.  Nothing was done about this?  

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    He got a 5-day suspension (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by Dr Molly on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 07:27:15 PM EST
    Point 4 (none / 0) (#100)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 07:37:53 PM EST
    The reason nothing was done was there was one witness who never reported it and after the fact it became a he said she said. She brought it up months later when child custody was an issue. When asked why she never reported it, she said she had a meeting to go to at the time. The issue was dropped in the investigation.

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    Take a breath (none / 0) (#98)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 07:30:53 PM EST
    I think it's important that people settle back and quit inflaming accusations brought up in a child custody case. Palin wasn't even Governor when the supposed incidents of the trooper took place. The Safety Commissioner wasn't the Safety Commissioner when they took place. The accusations were made over three years ago, settled over three years ago, and not a one of them was brought forward until months and years after they occurred and only because of a pending divorce.

    While wild numbers of accusations are thrown out, (all made by the father in law) two led to the suspension and the trooper also admitted to them. He shot a moose without a moose hunting license.  He shot his stepson with the test setting  on a taser when the kid wanted to know what it felt like. Stupid? Absolutely but the family didn't report it or give it a second thought until there was contested custody.

    I'm reminded of the time four nephews pestered me about how hot a serrano chile pepper was until I finally said, if you want to know take a bite. Seconds later there was screaming as the youngest popped the entire thing in his mouth like candy (neither his mother nor anyone else in the restaurant was overjoyed with the resulting turmoil).

    If these things were as serious as people make them out to be, don't you think child custody would never be in doubt? It's a bitter custody case. They are chalk full of half truths and untruths from both sides. Indeed, if you feel a need to believe all the accusations are true and custody was still in question, wouldn't that make you sit up and wonder what the rest of the family is like?

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    Read Chesler, Mothers on Trial (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by Cream City on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:19:47 PM EST
    as it will give you a different view of "justice" in child custody cases.  Your description here is a classic -- but not in ways that you may realize.

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    What's interesting is (none / 0) (#130)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:02:54 PM EST
    there isn't anyone on trial it's all been settled. Lots of puffery but all that matters is why was this made an issue, and who specifically made it an issue in the Governors office a year and a half after it was settled. I don't know the answer to that and suspect when we have the answer it won't mean much anyway. Governor's and Presidents can fire who they appoint. What they can't do is fire underlings that are protected by state law. And that's why the Public Safety Commissioner is out of a job, and the state trooper is still employed.

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    The union is why he's still (none / 0) (#137)
    by Cream City on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:41:47 PM EST
    employed.  Most often, that's a good thing.

    When it's not, it's not good for unions, and thus for any of us.

    As for the rest -- again, the timeline you have here is not relevant to the reason to read the book.  It's quite the read.

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    Timeline (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by ding7777 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 07:01:33 PM EST
    Flopping Aces  (read all the way down to the comments)

    This is interesting and if true, defuses the "abuse of power" charge:

    Todd Palin was ORDERED by the head of the Governor's security detail, Special Agent Bob Cockrell, to discuss Trooper Wooten with Walt Monegan, as Wooten presented a credible threat to the Governor's safety. Here's a direct quote from Special Agent Cockrell, who is now providing security for his sixth consecutive governor:

    "When made aware of the security concerns regarding a state trooper, I instructed the First Gentleman to contact the commissioner of Public Safety. It is standard protocol to ask every governor about any threats they perceive or have realized. "I will not hesitate to set the record straight in answering these false allegations by former Commissioner Monegan." (emphasis added)



    Part of the concern (none / 0) (#95)
    by domerdem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 07:12:21 PM EST
    is that appears she was less than truthful in discussing her involvement in the decision-making process.

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    Which decision-making process? (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by ding7777 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 07:35:25 PM EST
    The investigation of Wooten happened way back in 2005, way before Palin became governor.

    As far as firing Monegan, what could she really say that would not violate his privacy rights?

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    Did you read the WaPo article I linked to (none / 0) (#102)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 07:51:46 PM EST
    in the post?

    Gov. Palin's husband, Todd Palin, met with Monegan in January 2007, a month after his wife took office, to say that the trooper was unfit for the force. Monegan also said the governor sent him e-mails, but Monegan declined to disclose them, saying he planned to give them to the independent prosecutor.

    Palin initially denied that she or anyone in her administration had ever pressured Monegan to fire Wooten. She said she had raised the matter with Monegan just once, relaying the allegation that Wooten made a death threat against her father.

    ....Monegan said Todd Palin told him that Wooten "shouldn't be a trooper."

    "I've tried to explain to him," Monegan said, " 'You can't head-hunt like this. What you need to do is back off, because if the trooper does make a mistake, and it is a terminable offense, it can look like political interference.'

    "I think he's emotionally committed in trying to see that his former brother-in-law is punished."

    Monegan said he was also contacted by three other Palin-appointed officials, including the attorney general, regarding the trooper. Each time, he said, he told the administration officials that he would keep an eye on the trooper, but that unless he violated a rule, nothing could be done.

    But this summer, Palin acknowledged that a half-dozen members of her administration had made more than two dozen calls on the matter to various state officials.



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    Did you read (none / 0) (#140)
    by ding7777 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:27:25 PM EST
    that Todd was ordered to speak to Monegan?

    (link)

    Todd Palin was ORDERED by the head of the Governor's security detail, Special Agent Bob Cockrell, to discuss Trooper Wooten with Walt Monegan, as Wooten presented a credible threat to the Governor's safety. Here's a direct quote from Special Agent Cockrell, who is now providing security for his sixth consecutive governor:

    "When made aware of the security concerns regarding a state trooper, I instructed the First Gentleman to contact the commissioner of Public Safety. It is standard protocol to ask every governor about any threats they perceive or have realized. "I will not hesitate to set the record straight in answering these false allegations by former Commissioner Monegan."



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    The decision-making process (none / 0) (#107)
    by domerdem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:04:04 PM EST
    the led to the firing Monegan.  Her story about what her involvement was, and the basis for the firing, has "evolved" over time.

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    Is this a joke? (none / 0) (#106)
    by nrglaw on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:02:41 PM EST
    Who said Palin was ever ordered to speak to anyone? And whose chain of command is he in?

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    Good question (none / 0) (#138)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:49:54 PM EST
    Is the head of the Governor's security detail saying he turned the issue over to the governor's husband? (Ordered Him?) If so it is more of a soap opera than I realized.

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    Link? (none / 0) (#112)
    by domerdem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:12:52 PM EST
    Fair enough (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by domerdem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:41:09 PM EST
    See you tomorrow.

    I never understood why anyone would say boo (4.50 / 2) (#1)
    by steviez314 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 04:31:20 PM EST
    without a lawyer present.  And I understand the presumption of innocence.  

    That being said, politically speaking, this is hardly something you want to have your VP pick doing the week she's getting nominated.

    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by domerdem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 04:36:09 PM EST
    You would rather not have to have your lawyer review your convention speech.

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    Too bad more people (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by BernieO on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:07:59 PM EST
    don't understand the importance of the presumption of innocence. As I understand it lot of countries go with a presumption of guilt and it is up to the individual to prove he is innocent, not the other way around. That means that an ordinary citizen has to defend themselves against the government and all its resources and the case is weighted in the government's favor. Our founding fathers knew from experience just how unfair this kind of system was.

    I wish people would remind themselves about Patsy Ramsey or, for us older folks, Sam Shepherd. Both these people lost a family member to murder and then had to endure being tried and convicted by the media. We need to try to keep an open mind when we are told that someone is guilty of a crime.

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    I agree with you, but her problem (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by inclusiveheart on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:28:26 PM EST
    is not legal at the moment - it is political - and Americans have been conditioned to draw an inference of guilt when people hire lawyers by our media, our politicians, and our preachers.

    The phrase "lawyered up" holds a negative connotation in its own right.  It is totally wrong, but as the child of a criminal defense attorney, I am all too aware that it is a widely held view that someone who needs a lawyer "must be guilty" and that my Dad is "evil" - I disagree on both counts - but that doesn't mean that people don't believe that.

    Palin's entrance onto the national scene has created such drama that I am at this point more and more doubtful that her national political prospects will hold up under the weight of all these rather dramatic revelations.  

    I'll add that Palin clearly has some serious enemies in Alaska even within her own party because this kind of flood of bad information with little by way of "good" information countering it really smacks of a coordinated effort to bring her down.

    When I read the local papers on Saturday commenting on her and her administration, I was very surprised at how many people were willing to say negative things about her and to question her competence.  Also on Friday the Troopergate story came up and all of the reporters insisted that it was nothing - that it would not be an issue for her - and yet today in a sudden about-face CNN is now all over the story.  I find it hard to believe that any Democrat could convince Wolf Blitzer to go after her the way he seems to be doing tonight.  Maybe the GOP machine is kicking in here.  I think it is very possible that that is what we are seeing in this incredibly akward introduction of Palin onto the national stage.

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    What do you think of (none / 0) (#3)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 04:36:00 PM EST
    the refusal to comply with the request for evidence?

    What do you think of the request for evidence itself, for that matter?  I've never heard of such a thing with a legislative investigation, or any investigation, come to think of it, before actual charges are filed.

    I'm no lawyer, I only watch 'em on TV, so what do I know!

    Legislative bodies have subpeona power (none / 0) (#5)
    by domerdem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 04:37:56 PM EST
    generally are not shy about using it when they are trying to get to the bottom of something, although the usually ask for it politely first.  

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    Right. (none / 0) (#6)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 04:39:06 PM EST
    I was asking about Palin's lawyer's request to see the evidence, though.

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    Ah (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by domerdem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 04:48:36 PM EST
    her attorney's request for the evidence, not the Legislature's.  Sorry for the confusion.

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    Don't they have a right to see it? (none / 0) (#19)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:02:47 PM EST
    No (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by txpublicdefender on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:12:03 PM EST
    They have no right to see the evidence collected so far in the investigation than, say, Drew Peterson, has a right to see all the evidence in the pending murder investigations involving his wives.  If they were ever to bring some sort of charges against her, then she would have discovery rights, but during an investigation, I don't see why she would have any.


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    On the flipside (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 06:27:50 PM EST
    Palin's office has already run her own investigation to see what the legislature's investigation might uncover on troopergate. (or as what cynics might view as, what needs to be covered up)

    While evidence discovered by the legislature's investigation is not subject to review by Palin's lawyer, whatever was discovered by Palin's own investigation can be subject to review by the state's investigation. Provided of course that Palin doesn't claim executive privilege.

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    Thanks! I didn't know when (none / 0) (#50)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:24:13 PM EST
    discovery rights came into play :)

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    Oh, thanks. (none / 0) (#65)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:50:03 PM EST
    That's what I was thinking.  So her attorney's demand for the evidence is just good defense attorney bluff?  IOW, what the heck, why not try and see what happens?

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    I don't think its much of a bluff (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by nrglaw on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:13:15 PM EST
    The request was just a standard throw away. You don't ask, you don't get. You ask because its just possible that the people on the other side screw up and release something they shouldn't.

    But no, he has no rights to disclosure of the legislature's case. If a charge were ever lodged, the legislature would have the choice of either a political act, such as censure or impeachment, or a referral to the Attorney General for prosecution of criminal charges.

    At this point the flow of information is one way--from the Governor's office to the legislature. Even when she is deposed, she has no discovery rights as her status at the depo is merely that of a witness.

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    Not criminal charges (none / 0) (#144)
    by Valhalla on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 02:35:09 AM EST
    The AG investigates the allegations, if brought to him/her, as a complaint and then passes them onto the ethics board.  If there's criminal conduct alleged (which there hasn't been), that's separate.

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    speak for yourself, (none / 0) (#87)
    by cpinva on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 06:34:31 PM EST
    kimosabe.

    Palin became the center of the Democratic world

    for me, she's only of interest as yet another, in a long litany of examples, of sen. mccain's poor judgment.

    as has been noted, here and elsewhere, the obama campaign, and its fans, would do well to ignore the whole "lack of experience" issue, with regards to gov. palin.

    that said, her stated positions on relevant issues, and past actions, speak volumes about where her social and political philosophies lie: just to the left (barely) of attila the hun.

    yes jeralyn, "lawyering up" should not be seen as a sign of guilt. it shouldn't. being arrested shouldn't be seen as a sign of guilt either. in a perfect world, neither would be. alas, we don't live in that perfect world; both actions are seen, by the majority of the population, as a sign of guilt. to deny that reality is to delude oneself. surely, you, as a practicing defense attorney, know better.

    Lawyers = bye bye (none / 0) (#103)
    by yourkidding on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 07:56:14 PM EST
    How soon till Gov. Palin withdraws from the race?

    Concerning whether the lawyer was newly hired (none / 0) (#104)
    by nrglaw on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 07:59:32 PM EST
    To the point in the post concerning whether the lawyer is a new hire, this is a type of letter that is familiar to many lawyers, including me. This is a type of letter one writes to an opponent informing that party that you have been retained. So, is the lawyer a new hire? Very likely.

    We Hate liars (none / 0) (#109)
    by NYShooter on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:06:59 PM EST
    We hated Bill Clinton because he LIED about having sex with "that woman;" we hated George Bush because he LIED us into a war.
    But one thing we LOVE is authenticity, not facts or positions, but "tell'n it like it is." Just check Ronald Reagan for an example.
    What will matter is how "real" Mrs. Palen comes across, not whether she hunts with a .50 caliber.

    One of the reasons the polls are so close in this elction is that the public doesn't quite trust what, or who, Obama is. With, McCain, that's simply not an issue.

    Don't ever underestimate the power of, "the devil you know........."

    While the netroots (TalkLeft blessedly excepted) are hoop'n 'n hollerin in their psychotic vitriol, I believe the Obama camp is scared to death of this Palin pick. If she hits a home run at the convention, and everything I've read about her says she just might, then we'll have a long, long time to answer the question, "should he have picked Hillary?"

    That is one of the reasons (none / 0) (#111)
    by domerdem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:11:08 PM EST
    why her changing story about her involvement in the Monegan firing is cause for concern.

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    True (none / 0) (#129)
    by NYShooter on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:57:52 PM EST
    But we still haven't gotten a complete, authentic, chronolgy of events.
    But, to your point, if she is perceived as a liar.......bad news for McCain.
    (special emphasis on "perceived.")

    If, on the other hand, she handles herself well and the the media, as is their holy grail obligation to destroy anyone threatening "The Anointed One" appear to do another "Hillary" on her, the facts may not matter.

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    And the hits just keep on coming (none / 0) (#110)
    by domerdem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:08:59 PM EST
    From Political Wire:

    "Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) "was once a member of their party, which since the 1970s has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States," reports ABC News."

    Hmm (none / 0) (#118)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:27:46 PM EST
    do you really want to push up McCain's margins in red states? This is the kind of PR that just might do it.

    Heck, it might even play in CA since the federal government under Bush has treated them so badly. I remember a movement after the 2004 election for them to secede from the union.

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    Just find it amusing (none / 0) (#124)
    by domerdem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:39:13 PM EST
    that someone who is running for Vice President of the US once supported seceding from the US,  

    Here's more from the same source:

    "The AIP platform states that the purpose of the party is to "seek the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska in conformance with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, of the federal constitution ... To prohibit all bureaucratic regulations and judicial rulings purporting to have the effect of law, except that which shall be approved by the elected legislature ... To support the privatization of government services ..."

    Like a combination of Pat Buchanan and Abbie Hoffman.

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    nope, (none / 0) (#122)
    by cpinva on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:32:35 PM EST
    I must be stupid...

    you're in pretty much the same boat as everyone else, with regards to gov. palin; why?

    Great post, bad title (none / 0) (#139)
    by Bulging Bracket on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:11:11 PM EST
    Jeralyn, thanks for the posts today. You've been a rare island of lucidity and civility.

    While the post is well done, I think that your use of such a negative colloquialism twice, and once in the title no less, is rather inappropriate for someone in your position and of your convictions. You've made it clear why and how much you don't like the woman - more than fair, and not unexpected. However the terms used are far more in line with a Marc Antony eulogy than with those of a pro-defense site.

    Your other posts today are far more in line with your normal standards of class. There truly should not have been a post at all about this - it doesn't advance the narrative in a reasonable way and is more in line with sites I don't respect. Failing that, you should have stuck to the "retained counsel" phrasing instead of the colloquial cheap shot.

    The site's firm stand on the personal crap is admirable and one of the reasons why I love reading, despite what it sometimes does to my blood pressure. I expect unrelenting attacks the ticket, I've seen the rules (and am doing my best to go nowhere near the lines you've drawn), and I'm not even worried about the withdrawal pool. It just seems that you've let yourself get a bit too exuberant with your word choice, despite your best efforts.

    I hope that you can take this in the terms of amity that it's given and that I haven't broken any of your rules. I've been a long time reader thanks to Insta links and appreciate the chance to read well written commentary and a fairly well controlled community.

    Mileage may vary (none / 0) (#142)
    by Redshoes on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:05:31 AM EST
    "Lawyering up is the smart thing to do. ... Retaining a lawyer bears no connection to guilt. No inference of wrong-doing should be drawn from it."