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    Here's a great story of bravey (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by JAB on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:06:50 AM EST
    Link

    A story of a 7 year-old girl who flung herself between a gunman and her mother and took 7 bullets. She'll be in her second grade class today while the perpetrator gets sentenced.

    That's some story.... (5.00 / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 12:55:52 PM EST
    the fearlessness of a child is something to marvel at.  Amazing.

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    Barack Obama's media shop (5.00 / 9) (#2)
    by andgarden on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:08:13 AM EST
    is finally exposed for being the $h*t operation that I've always known it is.

    My god, the best attack they can come up with is EMAIL???!!!!

    OMGWTF??????????

    And , as I said ... (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:14:19 AM EST
    in the previous thread.  The ad also says:

    "McCain hasn't changed."

    A message the McCain campaign wants people to believe.

    So essentially the Obama ad says:

    "He's old, and he hasn't changed."

    I think the McCain camp can live with that.

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    andgarden, are you ok? (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Lil on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:23:58 AM EST
    yeah, I'm fine (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by andgarden on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:25:38 AM EST
    Not happy with this campaign, though.

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    I gotcha. (none / 0) (#8)
    by Lil on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:26:21 AM EST
    It seems like you reached (none / 0) (#10)
    by Lil on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:27:32 AM EST
    the tipping point. You are usually so rational. I hope Obama follows your lead.

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    What makes me seem irrational? (none / 0) (#12)
    by andgarden on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:30:24 AM EST
    To my mind I'm not being irrational--I'm just mad that this is slipping away.

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    I feel your pain (none / 0) (#15)
    by CST on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:40:25 AM EST
    I really do :)

    I'm going through some of my own "stages of grief" right now.

    Currently "mad as hell"

    Drifting towards "scared and depressed"

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    I should have said understated, not rational. (none / 0) (#20)
    by Lil on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:54:52 AM EST
    sorry.

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    I think the (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by rooge04 on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:28:39 AM EST
    frustration so many of us feel is that we could run their campaign better than they are.   How do they live in this bubble?? Do they talk to regular people??? I feel like we know how to win and they are just refusing to do what needs to be done to get there! And when average citizens know what needs to be done and your Dem campaign does not...it's basically enraging.

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    I (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by sas on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 01:36:33 PM EST
    do not believe Obama knows how to win.

    I believe he fully expects people to just move out of the way....

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    Amend that to (5.00 / 0) (#59)
    by Cream City on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 02:54:17 PM EST
    he and Axelrove expect the Chicago machine to move people out of the way.  But he already has Illinois.

    The machine may muddle matters in Indiana again, as it did in the primary, but that won't be enough.  

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    NYT article says they think things are fine (none / 0) (#77)
    by sallywally on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 09:47:14 PM EST
    and are essentially dismissing what the rest of the party is saying as being too panicky....and their strategy is working fine, the polls are meaningless, etc., etc.

    I've ordered the only Obama stuff I can tolerate - yard signs and bumper stickers that say "Polar Bears for Obama-Biden" - I know the polar bears would be better off with Obama and I hope others think about that when they see them and move .

    I am so angry at these arrogant #$%@#s - and the people who put them up there - I can hardly stand it.

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    The thing is, they never had to do (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by dk on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 12:36:58 PM EST
    negative camptaigning in the primary, because the MSM and the A-list blogs did it for them.  Clearly, they could have used the practice.

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    Um yeah (none / 0) (#36)
    by lilburro on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 01:13:01 PM EST
    I think that was pretty bad.  And they have made some bad ads.

    I say, keep the ad entirely in the grocery store.  Show food disappearing from the shelves as it becomes more expensive and families have to cut back.  Explain why the price of food is rising.  Talk about what Obama will do.  Period.

    Grr..

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    Um...what exactly? (none / 0) (#37)
    by Fabian on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 01:21:17 PM EST
    The price of energy drives everything.  If the price of energy goes up, so does everything else.

    So...how does one drive the price of energy down?

    Can we make ECON 101 mandatory by junior high at the latest?

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    No kidding. (none / 0) (#41)
    by lilburro on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 01:36:17 PM EST
    I think most people know that.  It isn't difficult for Obama to explain that Republican energy plans and Republican tax plans are going to make the grocery store an increasingly daunting experience.  That's a politics of fear that would actually work in our favor.

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    Andgarden....that is a very good question! (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:10:32 AM EST
    What is worse is how some are glomming onto this like it is the thing that is really going to turn this campaign around....straw grasping should now become an olympic sport.

    Obama's stimulus package? (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:11:08 AM EST
    Why isn't he talking about this?

    He even has a catchy name for it, tying it to high energy costs:  The Emergency Energy Rebate.

    It's $500 for individuals and $1000 for families.  And it's separate from his tax credit proposal.

    He also has a way to pay for it:  Increasing windfall profit taxes on oil companies.

    He made a passing reference to it in his THIS WEEK interview.  But didn't explain it, or name it.

    Can anyone explain to me why he doesn't want to talk about this?

    I'm seriously asking.  What's stopping him?

    Didn't he criticize Clinton (5.00 / 0) (#16)
    by waldenpond on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:40:59 AM EST
    for this in the primary? The Repubs can counter with... those taxes will be passed on to consumers.. see we told you the Dems were going to do nothing but increase taxes blah, blah, blah.

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    Have (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by sas on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 01:38:42 PM EST
    you ever heard Obama seriously talk policy - I mean get down to the nuts and bolts of it?

    I have not and believe he does not do it because he does not know it.

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    Not much ... (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 02:32:08 PM EST
    and I watch his rallies on C-Span where he should do stuff like this.

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    What's stopping him? (5.00 / 0) (#71)
    by tree on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 05:40:38 PM EST
    Maybe he doesn't really mean it. Maybe if he promotes it too much he might take a fundraising hit.

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    Is anyone else alarmed that Obama is looking... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by jeffhas on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:26:53 AM EST
    less fresh... That 'Deer in the headlights' look from his first post-Wright press conference is there about all the time now - even when speaking before a crowd (or is it just me?... because you know, he's not exactly my guy)...

    I just can't help but wonder if he's going to have his Hillary moment - you know, the one where when she's finally backed into the corner, she does a gut check, and completely figures out a new strategy... you know - one that works, and helped her win some primaries.

    I mean isn't this the true nature of the candidate we need to see most - when the chips are down, and your back is against the corner - WHAT WILL YOU DO?... How will you resolve to succeed? - for yourself, for your nation??

    Hillary found her way out of that corner (although she was still buried by the SD's)... and even McCain seemed backed in after the Dem Convention, and look how he pushed that away...

    I'm just askin' if Obama has had that moment yet?... Was the Wright fiasco that moment? - and resolved with a speech? - I think not - limping past the finish line isn't exactly fighting your way out of a corner... but would love to hear others thoughts.  I think he's about to have that moment or is right in it - and I'm fascinated to see how he will get himself out of it - if he is capable of it.

    Well, there's still some time left, maybe the debates will give him opportunities.

    I wouldn't (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 03:30:06 PM EST
    be hopeful. He didn't change anything after losing OH and TX in the primaries. All he did was blame and attack the voters. That's not something I would want him to do during the general election.

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    There's a lot of trashing the electorate (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by sallywally on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 10:17:21 PM EST
    going on by some Dems. Unfortunately, the voters aren't the problem, since the Clintons easily reach them - so what's wrong with Obama and his advisers that he's not doing it?

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    There's always the debates.... (none / 0) (#38)
    by Fabian on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 01:23:17 PM EST
    During which I will probably either go to bed early or read a good book.  I am not optimistic.

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    I'm not a natural cheerleader... (2.66 / 3) (#45)
    by Don in Seattle on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 01:44:51 PM EST
    ... but the level of hand-wringing here, over the Obama campaign's perceived weaknesses, goes well beyond the level of constructive criticism.

    Fabian, if you are a closet Republican, I could understand your wanting to post that response. But I am going to assume you are a Democrat, and that you sincerely want Obama to be elected.

    Given that, your tone of unfocused negativism is a drag. It may be how you're feeling, but do you have to be such an Eeyore?

    Sorry, Fabian, if I seem to be picking on you. There are numerous posts, on just about every thread here on TL, where I could make the same observation. I am not saying that positive thinking, by itself, will win this election. But giving voice to negative thinking breeds more negative thinking, and that doesn't help.

    So whaddaya say, kids? Gimme an O! (O!!) Gimme a B! ...

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    I have ALWAYS been a Democrat (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Fabian on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 02:08:04 PM EST
    Obama has always been mediocre at debates.

    Now, Hillary would be a joy to watch.  I'd be all hopped up on Hope if she was facing off against McCain.

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    I said I assumed you were a Democrat. (2.25 / 4) (#53)
    by Don in Seattle on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 02:29:19 PM EST
    And you agreed emphatically, you are.

    I said I assumed you sincerely wanted Obama to be elected.

    (silence)

    I understand that you, like many, many people here, strongly would have preferred Hillary Clinton to be our nominee. I understand that you are disappointed; you may well be angry. Naturally that's going to affect your enthusiasm for the Obama/Biden ticket.

    Still, if you do sincerely want Obama to be elected -- or at least McCain to be defeated -- I'm asking you to try to try to keep your criticisms constructive.

    That's all.

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    I can not say here (5.00 / 3) (#56)
    by Fabian on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 02:34:16 PM EST
    what I think of Obama except to say that I am STILL waiting for him to convince me that he really, truly is a Democrat and not just some Democrat-by-default.

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    This is unfair (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Cream City on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 02:57:32 PM EST
    and not at all useful, except apparently to you.

    Next, you're going to go after BTD for doing the same?

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    BTD supports the ticket, (2.50 / 2) (#66)
    by Don in Seattle on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 03:49:55 PM EST
    and is not bad-mouthing it. Thank you, BTD.

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    BTD criticizes as he sees fit (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by Cream City on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 08:34:02 PM EST
    and Fabian and others do, too.

    You choose to be a cheerleader and yell rah-rah even when your team fumbles, fine.  Others are reality-based.

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    You, Cream City, I do understand. (1.00 / 0) (#76)
    by Don in Seattle on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 09:45:42 PM EST
    You are clearly a McCain rooter. I wasn't speaking to people who can in good conscience vote for McCain. My message was clearly aimed at Democrats who may be frustrated that Hillary Clinton wasn't nominated, but who haven't totally gone over to the Dark Side.

    You are clearly here to snipe at those who do support the Obama/Biden ticket, for as long as you can get away with it; until BTD or Jeralyn kicks you out of their sandbox for laying one too many turds in it. As I understand the rules, I believe four per day should be your current quota.

    BTD calls 'em as he sees 'em, and so do I. BTD criticizes the ticket sometimes, but when he does, he tries to be constructive. I criticize the ticket sometimes, too, on the same basis. When is the last time you made a comment in favor of Obama/Biden, or critical of McCain/Palin?

    Thanks for not troll-rating me again today, btw. Much appreciated.

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    Pardon me, Don (5.00 / 0) (#83)
    by suki on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 05:35:18 AM EST
    but the only thing that's 'clear' to me is that your comment is crude and presumptuous.
    Cream City and Fabian have been commenting here a long time and add much to the discussions at TL.
    You have been commenting just a few months but are telling Cream City what her comment quota should be and trying to manage and control Fabian's level of enthusiasm?
    Maybe they're just callin' 'em as they see 'em, just like you and BTD (the same guy you accused of Orwellian micromanagement).

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    You're right. That extended metaphor (2.00 / 0) (#86)
    by Don in Seattle on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 09:31:03 AM EST
    was a bit crude. Sorry for the barnyardism. What can I say?

    I don't make the rules 'round here, and I don't always agree with them. Still, I am not above citing them from time to time, when I think they work in my favor.

    Yes, my initial comment was a complaint -- by no means solely directed to Fabian -- about the large volume of largely unconstructive criticism of the Democratic ticket, at what is ostensibly a liberal site. I think "unconstructive" fairly describes that particular comment of Fabian's, and, sadly, much of what passes for discourse here.

    If me calling Fabian a Gloomy Gus equates to "managing and controlling Fabian's level of enthusiasm," I suppose I am guilty of that, too. The way you put it makes the offense sound pretty totalitarian, though, doesn't it? I really think it should be a misdemeanor. I mean, how many times in your life have you told someone, "Cheer up"?

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    Bush is in town for a fundraiser today (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Klio on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:37:57 AM EST
    Very under the radar, but I know women who are attending.  Happily attending.

    These are well-heeled, middle-aged Republican ladies who have been disgusted and demoralized.  Yesterday, they were high-fiving each other; they are energized.  

    Far from seeing Bush's 3rd term, I think they see their party regaining prestige, returning to its senses if you will, when just a few months ago all seemed lost.  And they are thrilled to see a woman in the VP slot.

    Random data point from Oklahoma City.

    The Bush Doctrine (5.00 / 0) (#17)
    by Realleft on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:41:02 AM EST
    is not a liberal talking point and is not really very vague.

    The essence of it is that the US will treat any country that harbors, aids or supports terrorists as being terrorists themselves, and we reserve the right to pre-emptively attack to protect our interests, without a requirement that the threat be imminent or a requirement that our allies  agree with our justification or support our actions.

    In catching up, I've read some comments about this being vague or just a liberal talking point, and it's not.  Bush clearly communicated this doctrine across various speeches in 2001-2003 and it has guided the country's actions since (allowing other countries to use it to defend their own actions).

    Every presidency is associated with a primary doctrine of foreign policy, and it seems to me that for the past fifty or so years, each president's doctrine of FP has been more aggressive and militaristic than the doctrine that came before, with the possible exceptions of Nixon (in part, allies are expected to provide their own primary defense) and Clinton (vague, but including that we may intervene on humanitarian in addition to security basis).

    That said, I thought Charlie Gibson's attempt at "gotcha" journalism was pretty lame, and it would have been more honest and worthwhile to just specify what he meant by the Bush doctrine and get a reaction to that.  Gov Palin probably would have gone on the record as fully supporting the Bush doctrine, and it wouldn't have come across as a juvenile interview tactic that negates the content of what was being discussed.

    I don't think it was gotcha (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by eric on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:54:32 AM EST
    because of the way he asked it.  I think he genuinely wanted to know if she embraced the neo-con policies embodied in the Bush doctrine.  He didn't ask her to explain the Bush doctrine, he asked her whether she agreed.  He let her go on and once it was clear she didn't get it, he told her what the policy was and again asked if she agreed.

    I'll bet he would have gotten the same reaction from her if he had asked if she agrees with the Truman Doctrine or the Monroe Doctrine, as well.  People that are going to run for VP should be educated, very educated, in the political history and theories of governance.  They NEED to be.

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    You're Right (2.00 / 0) (#74)
    by daring grace on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 06:30:30 PM EST
    Those weren't softballs Gibson was throwing but it was far from a gotcha! interview.

    And you're right Gibson gave her this answer as she was floundering with a response on the 'Bush Doctrine':

    "GIBSON: The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?" "

    The very antithesis of gotcha.

    I can understand her or any VP candidate not knowing what the doctrines Truman and Monroe might have been.

    But Bush's is only six years old and relates to his justification for invading Iraq. I might cut her some slack for not having detailed understanding (yet) about Georgia, but the Middle East and one of the cornerstones of the Bush-Cheney administration's foreign policy?

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    OKay, I'll watch it again. (none / 0) (#23)
    by Realleft on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 12:25:54 PM EST
    Didn't see the whole interview yet anyway.

    I definitely agree with you about what leaders should know about history and governance.  To me, it's more important than any specific experience that is focused on in the media.  I also look for evidence that the person can gather information, can lead teams in ways that avoid the opposing problems of groupthink and indecisiveness, and can both commit to decisions as well as revisit them later for reconsideration.

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    Well said Eric... (none / 0) (#29)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 12:36:11 PM EST
    The right wing noise machine is already defending her saying she had a trying day, sending her child off to Iraq...fair enough and understandable.

    OTOH, if she really isn't sure what the Bush Doctrine is, that's a very serious concern.  Even I know what the Bush doctrine is, and I'm a knucklehead stoner who doesn't know much, she's a freakin' US governor who hopes to be one 72 year old heartbeat away from the presidency.  Scary stuff, to be sure, if that is the case.

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    Bill Clinton's advice? (5.00 / 0) (#21)
    by Manuel on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 12:12:13 PM EST
    I don't know if this story is accurate but the advice to Obama is sound.  He would wo well to listen to it.

    Seems like pretty good advice to me (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Realleft on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 12:35:11 PM EST
    Though I'd caution a little about the smiling.  It has to be smiling because you enjoy political discourse, the opportunity to be involved in shaping the world and confidence in your ideas.  Obama seems to have this, like Pres. Clinton, but it shouldn't be confused with smug, insider smiling like he and the media are on the same team.  Saw that kind of smile a few times with Olbermann and elsewhere and it doesn't serve him well.

    And yes, everyone needs to get past the primaries now, and Obama should do everything he can to make this happen.  He's the leader and has to lead.

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    Ridiculous commercials (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 12:15:21 PM EST
    like the email commercial are a sure way of losing people like my father in law.

    My father in law is 73.
    My father in law was a Hillary caucuser, but said, of course, I'll vote for whichever Democrat
    My father in law doesn't use email either and is actually technophobic.
    It's really not that uncommon for the older set to be non-computer users or even technophobic.
    The older set don't usually DVR and fast forward through commercials so if this one runs every day, it'll piss many folks off.
    The older set vote.
    I know, let's piss off the older set.
    And I won't even start on the elitism issue with this ad.  What about people who can't afford computers or don't have time to email because they're working two jobs -- bitter, low information voters in Penn, for instance.

    Yep, Obama is still running a primary campaign, not a GE campaign.  His 12 year old media people think the race is the younger set versus the white trash Hillary voters.  This is just a huge laugher.

    Yeah (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by sas on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 01:42:08 PM EST
    we have succeeded in totally pissing off the women...
    now let's go for the seniors....

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    Even rarer than a gaffe-free ... (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 12:26:06 PM EST
    interview from Obama:

    Okapi photographed in the wild for the first time.

    My favorite non-political story of the day.

    This part isn't so cheery... (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 12:40:26 PM EST
    The total okapi population in Virunga is estimated to be 200 individuals. But a new survey of local bush-meat markets shows that at least one okapi a week is being killed illegally, Kumpel said.

    "If the current rate of hunting continues, they could be extinct in two to three years," she added. The global okapi population isn't known, but experts believe that the mammal survives in the wild only in Congo's remote tropical forests, the researcher said.



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    I'm so obsessed right now, (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Realleft on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 12:41:22 PM EST
    that I read this as "Obama photographed in the wild"...  I didn't know what to expect, so I was a little surprised when I clicked the link!

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    Well ... (5.00 / 0) (#54)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 02:30:51 PM EST
    not sure I can do anything about that.

    But hopefully when you clicked, you were pleasantly surprised.

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    Tomorrow (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by lilburro on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 01:07:14 PM EST
    I'm going to a pig pickin' BBQ opening for Obama's Brunswick County, NC office!  I'm pretty excited about it.  Should be good to mingle with some Obama supporters (and probably many former Hillary supporters).  

    Unfortunately, I think there's no chance in hell that Obama will win NC.  So perhaps there will be opportunities to phonebank for swing states or do other things.  And voter registration isn't bad in and of itself.  

    Even my mom is fired up for Obama this time around, and she normally has very minimal interest in politics.  She is yelling at McCain as she watches the View right now.  Pretty funny to see.

    Maybe all that delicous swine.... (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 01:26:36 PM EST
    at an Obama event will finally put all those muslim rumors to rest.

    In fact, everytime Obama does an interview he should mention the utter delicousness of bacon at least once:)

    Enjoy the party!

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    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 02:08:05 PM EST
    ...bacon.  

    Now I'm craving a nice BLT!

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    Love for god, but not liberty?.... (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 03:41:05 PM EST
    The Hasidic community in Brooklyn is upset about some bike lanes the city placed in South Williamsburg, Brooklyn...and wants them removed.  Apparently their religion forbids their men from looking at women who aren't properly "covered", and the bike lanes bring scantily clad cyclists through the largely Hasidic neighborhood.  Link

    Umm...This is America, the land of the still somewhat free...if you can't look at a woman who isn't covered from head to toe for superstitous reasons, stay inside.  Easy enough, no?

    or so female marathoners that run through the neighborhood early every November. Runner's shorts are usually way shorter than bicycler's...

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    Honestly.... (none / 0) (#70)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 05:14:11 PM EST
    I don't know how you could live anywhere except a remote compound in the middle of nowhere and adhere to a superstition like that 100% of the time...unless you wanna get tyrannical.

    I'd support the Hasidics 100% if they wanna buy a chunk of land somewhere remote and enforce whatever dress code they want amongst themselves on private property.  But this demand is not kosher...NY streets are for all NY'ers.

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    If Sarah Palin (3.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Natal on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:37:05 AM EST
    became president through the demise of John McCain and as Commander-in-Chief issued the edict to attack Russia is there any way she could be thwarted given the authorization powers the Bush presidency has assumed after 911? She told Charles Gibson it was perhaps a possibility for the US to attack Russia if Russia moved into Georgia. Does she not realize that Russia has a vast nuclear arsenal of immense magnitude comparable to the US.

    she said (3.50 / 2) (#26)
    by TimNCGuy on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 12:31:38 PM EST
    if Georgia was admitted into NATO, the member nations of the treaty are required to defend each other from attack. This is a statement of fact. She also followed up that statement with another saying the response to an attack by Russia by the member nations of NATO would not necessarily have to be a military attack. It could be sanctions.

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    The whole Abortion thing (2.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 05:00:24 PM EST
    Does anyone else think it might be good if Roe v. Wade is overturned (assuming McCain and Palin win) a few high profile deaths and we could run onit like the GOP did 9-11, its horrible to contemplate but maybe this country needs to suffer a bit more before it wakes up.

    Crazy (none / 0) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 06:05:20 PM EST
    as it sounds it might take that. Too many politicians are able to sit on the fence on that issue. Look at the GOP. They've been promising the fundamentalists that they are going to overturn it for years. They did nothing when they had full control of the government. Maybe more Republicans would start losing statewide elections because of it.

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    I know that the issue is (none / 0) (#18)
    by eric on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:46:48 AM EST
    McCain and we shouldn't be distracted by Palin, but I am struck by one thing:  why isn't she getting treated more like Dan Quayle?  It seems like in 1992, it was OK to call him out for the dim-witted lightweight that he was.  Jokes would fly about his misstatements and misspellings.  He just wasn't up to the job, and he was called on it.

    And remember Ford?  He was called clumsy and dumb even though he probably wasn't either.

    Why it is not OK to point out the Palin isn't exactly one of our best and brightest?  Is it that after Bush we don't expect or require intelligence?  Has this society so embraced anti-intellectualism that it just doesn't matter how smart or educated someone is?

    I don't think people think Palin is dumb, really (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by lilburro on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 01:09:45 PM EST
    Her accent is a little unusual, but she still doesn't approach the moron level of GW.  I think he has the idiot market cornered, unfortunately.

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    She's not dumb. (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Fabian on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 01:25:20 PM EST
    She appears to be a quick study and a canny politician.

    Beyond that, I really can't say.

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    My Pet Peeve of 2008: 'Pundants' (none / 0) (#25)
    by Don in Seattle on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 12:29:40 PM EST
    What is with the sudden inability of reporters and anchors to pronounce the simple word 'pundit'?

    There's just one N in the word, folks. So why is everybody and her brother pronouncing it 'pundant' this year?

    Yes, (none / 0) (#27)
    by Lil on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 12:34:30 PM EST
    I actually started thinking I was the one saying it wrong. I'd like to do away with the word and the role altogether, frankly.

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    I'm just thankful... (none / 0) (#46)
    by Maria Garcia on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 01:55:09 PM EST
    ...that I still know how to pronounce it. I'm still trying to recover from half the country pronouncing Alzheimer's "al's heimers" because that's the way Tom Brokaw pronounced it.

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    Oldtimers' (none / 0) (#47)
    by Realleft on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 01:57:34 PM EST
    is what I still hear a lot.

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    Paul Hackett on Ohio (none / 0) (#48)
    by Fabian on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 01:58:28 PM EST
    DK diary

    Anyone who wants to understand Ohio should read it.

    I do NOT agree with his idea to do a Sarah Palin attack ad or that such a thing is key.

    His diary does point out one thing well - the well off, tech savvy, bona fide elitists' inability to connect with Just (Working) Folks.  

    has he been reamed yet? (none / 0) (#51)
    by kredwyn on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 02:24:38 PM EST
    I like Paul a lot. But it's been quite a while since he last posted over there. He may not be aware of the tone shift.

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    Oh, yeah. (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by Fabian on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 02:35:30 PM EST
    Totally predictable reaction.  Never tell them what they don't want to hear.

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    Yay, Planned Parenthood! (none / 0) (#52)
    by eleanora on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 02:24:59 PM EST
    They came up with an excellent response to McCain's sex-ed smear ad.

    "Doesn't McCain want our children to protect themselves from sex offenders?"

    Short and to-the-point, wish the blogs would pick this up and hit it hard, maybe we could get good media coverage. PP is only airing it in Pittsburgh and Denver, I'm donating to them again today with a suggestion to spread it around.

    Listening to ... (none / 0) (#58)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 02:39:50 PM EST
    the new album from THE STREETS: "Everything Is Borrowed."

    After the club vibe of the last album, this has a relaxed coffee house feel.

    Nice escape from the insanity of the campaign.

    The escapist sounds good (none / 0) (#62)
    by lilburro on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 03:17:28 PM EST
    but the lyrics completely exasperate me.  What happened to that fun sense of irony?

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    It's there ... (none / 0) (#64)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 03:38:17 PM EST
    listen closely.

    C'mon, what's more ironic than a "feel good album" devoted to atheism?

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    From NYT: (none / 0) (#61)
    by lilburro on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 03:15:59 PM EST
    "The good news is that in 53 days, the name George W. Bush won't be on the ballot.," Mr. Obama told supporters here at an afternoon campaign appearance. "But make no mistake, George W. Bush's policies will be on the ballot."

    That is a winning line.  Story.

    Maybe McCain (none / 0) (#67)
    by tootired on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 04:05:04 PM EST
    put the wrong "Palin" on his ticket. I'm using up one of my precious 10 comments to offer this to you so you better have a good laugh. We all need one.

    Brace yourselves. Ike is gonna be very, very bad. (none / 0) (#73)
    by Don in Seattle on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 06:28:44 PM EST
    I'm not in the habit of making dire predictions. I'm afraid we're going to see Katrina-scale loss of life, and maybe 100,000 homes lost.

    I hope I'm wrong.

    Gas (none / 0) (#80)
    by Amiss on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:05:13 PM EST
    Prices here in North Florida run from $3.79 to $5.49 a gallon, further down the state, up to $6, I understand. Charlie Crist has hotlines up for price gaugers to be prosecuted. As soon as it was announced, the price stopped rising.

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    They're saying Obama has cancelled his SNL gig (none / 0) (#81)
    by Don in Seattle on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:37:23 PM EST
    because of Ike.

    Good move.

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    NOT a National Enquirer headline... (none / 0) (#78)
    by Lora on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 09:56:19 PM EST
    E-vote Machine Hacked in Seconds!  Election Flipped Without a Trace!

    Unfortunately, this little scenario has been proven to be entirely possible...Again.  But, of course, no one would EVER deliberately tamper with an election.....right?

    Check out the videos made and released by UCSB scientists in this Brad Blog post.

    are we forgetting Obama was losing to Hillary (none / 0) (#82)
    by VicfromOregon on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 12:13:52 AM EST
    before he was losing to McCain.  Obama, for all his "I'm a fourth quarter" player, might actually be a first quarter player.  He played to a base of his own creation which impressed the DNC enough to "choose" him ahead of Hillary via the Super D's.  But, Obama's campaign hasn't actually won much since March 2008. What is it now, nearly halfway through September and he can barely get his picture in print? He still hasn't won all the other democrats or the must-win electoral states, let alone sway the uncommitted.  My gawd, if you can't win over your own party, how for the love of J----s are you going to win an election?

    He also brought on campaign people who Hillary had fired because they were pulling Hillary's campaign down.  I never understood that move on Obama's part.  And, well, we need to face it - there just aren't any more of the kind of people that Obama easily and emotively appeals to - everyone else in America is feeling hardship, have age related backaches, and can barely operate their new remote controls let alone email their friends and family on a PC in the backroom collecting dust.  Heck, most of us over 50 can barely see the little bitty numbers on our cell phones. You think people over 50 even care what some young upstart thinks of them?  Who came up with this idea?  Put him in a time machine and push fast forward.  You know, all the "not-with-it people the Obama campaign are making fun of by denigrating McCain for being old and not-with-it might just find it easier to remain in their Lazy-boy loungers watching reruns than hobble down to the polling station and forget why they came there in the first place.  Oh, yeah, to vote for the guy that doesn't make fun of the matured.  Isn't his name McCain? What a  campaign winner...zzzzzz.

    By the way, McCain doesn't have to email anyone.  They all come to him.  He is THAT connected in real time, not cybertime.

    More "good news" for Obama (none / 0) (#84)
    by tootired on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 08:45:36 AM EST
    Fully 47 percent say Obama lacks the proper experience - an even worse reading than the 36 percent who had the same criticism about McCain running mate Sarah Palin, serving her second year as Alaska governor after being a small-town mayor.

    from an AP poll yesterday

    Guess Palin isn't doing so badly with being portrayed as Pontius Pilate. Plan B? or is C or D?


    That poll (none / 0) (#85)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 09:07:48 AM EST
    is bad news. It pretty much says that he's doing the same as Kerry which means losing.

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