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McCain = Bush's Third Term, Part XXX

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 08:28:14 PM EST
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Paul Rosenberg posts this video:

The idea of linking McCain to Bush is, of course, sound. The execution of this video is poor. This is serious business. Trying to make it funny is not the right approach. Cut out all the attempted humor, stick to the fact that McCain is in fact running for Bush's Third Term, and you have some effective video here.

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    Some good stuff (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Coral on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 08:40:41 PM EST
    Like you said, cut the attempted humor (and that situation comedy music), put it in a 30 second spot, and run it in the swing states.

    Bits of that are good. . . (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by LarryInNYC on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 08:43:26 PM EST
    and bits are pretty bad -- almost pro Bush/McCain (like the education segment).

    But I think you could do a really effective ad ending with the snippet of Bush saying "don't get fooled again".

    Yep (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 08:47:17 PM EST


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    Who cares. (5.00 / 0) (#12)
    by downtownted on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 09:06:23 PM EST
    You are right. The Obama campaign seems to be in a feeding frenzy to do the Politically Correct "right thein." Who cares! If you are going to run to be President of the United States, run a campaign to WIN! Who cares how cute or PC your campaign was or how wonderfully you got across some message if you lose. I wrote a comment about what the Obama campaign can do to win in "Obama On Offense - Against McCain, Not Palin"

    Obama and Axelrod are campaigning like losers. We should all fervently hope for change.

    I don't know if you've seen this video ad: (none / 0) (#1)
    by steviez314 on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 08:39:51 PM EST
    video

    It was done by some guys on dKos (don't go crazy!).

    They actually raised some money and got it professionally done, and it's playing in Dayton, OH.  I know they're trying to raise more.

    I think it might be better than any Obama campaign ad so far.

    Pretty good, especially the music n/t (none / 0) (#3)
    by Coral on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 08:42:58 PM EST


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    Not terrible but (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 08:43:07 PM EST
    The images of Tweety and Cafferty mar it and it does not have enough images of Bush with McCain. For example it SAYS Bush had cake with McCain during Katrina but it does not show that image in a way where I could see it.

    Visuals please.

    But the idea is the right one.

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    If they took the ad you posted about, (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by steviez314 on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 08:45:02 PM EST
    cut it down, put Bush and McCain on split screen and let them debate each other--except they say the same things...that would be great.

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    Yep (none / 0) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 08:47:48 PM EST
    That is the idea.

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    It's actually pretty darn good! (none / 0) (#9)
    by LarryInNYC on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 08:55:24 PM EST
    And there is an image of the cake in there, by way, although they could probably emphasize the background images a bit.

    The increasing fealty to the Bush Administration and the way it's portrayed in the video are pretty devastating.

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    I think that is pretty good! (none / 0) (#13)
    by lilburro on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 09:13:34 PM EST
    The graphic of McCain's votes v. Bush's approval rate is really good.  

    I'd love to see an ad like that across the country.  

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    They are asking for donations to get more TV time (none / 0) (#17)
    by steviez314 on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 09:24:51 PM EST
    I don't know the rules here about linking to a donation page, but here it is:

    link

    If this isn't kosher, I guess just delete me.

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    I like the potential (none / 0) (#10)
    by Faust on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 09:02:22 PM EST
    Needs lots of prunning.

    Glad you picked up on this (none / 0) (#11)
    by dailygrind on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 09:04:27 PM EST
    I suggested it to him, but also want to add that there is one other level to it as well. Namely,  I wish Obama would start focusing, and if he is please let me know, these sorts of commercials in the swing states with rural voters and exurban areas.

    The basic ideas is that a) they maybe cheaper markets and b) they are the places where he may not win, but he can reduce his l oses or make it close enough to win through the numbers he will probaly wrack up in the more expensive urban media markets. To me, the more expensive markets are actually showing these sorts of things to the already persuaded, but airing them with McCain's supposed strength in a way that speaks to them rather than intellectuals would help him a l ot. But that's just gut instinct.

    I wish someone would get other orgs - any 527s to do this, even if obama doesn't such as Move on, etc.

    Anyway just another suggestion.

    The problem is......... (none / 0) (#14)
    by NYShooter on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 09:16:49 PM EST
    McCain can turn it against Obama quite easily:

    "After 3000 Americans were killed on 9-11, we were at war. You can either try to help the President in fighting terrorism, or be a political opportunist like Barack Obama, and try to tie his hands. I stood with the President in trying to intercept the bad guys' phone calls, and we haven't had another attack since that awful day on 9-11. Barack Obama fought the President all the way, and after he suckered the Liberals and got their votes, he double crossed them for political expediency and voted WITH the President.
    My fellow Americans, we need a President who will protect you ALL the time, and not just when the polls say it's time."


    So? (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by LarryInNYC on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 09:19:06 PM EST
    McCain will surely run that ad anyway.

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    Wasn't that the whole Republican convention? (none / 0) (#18)
    by andgarden on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 09:29:38 PM EST


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    Pfft (none / 0) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 09:21:35 PM EST


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    So easy to respond to: (none / 0) (#19)
    by steviez314 on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 09:29:49 PM EST
    Osama bin Laden--7 years, still free, still laughing at us.

    Another Republican FAILURE.

    That Michael Shmirconish who shows up on MSNBC a lot, is a Republican, never voted Democratic, but he is so pissed at Bush & McCain's failure to focus on Pak/Afghanistan and get OBL, he's ready to flip sides (and tell all his radio listeners i hope).

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    "So & Pfft" (none / 0) (#20)
    by NYShooter on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 09:33:48 PM EST
    The theme, "Bush's third term" has to be focused on drowing people in New Orleans, on bridges collapsing, on people lined up at the unemployment office. If McCain makes it a national security connection, the effect is greatly mitigated.

    That's not bad at all (none / 0) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 09:42:05 PM EST
    Maybe I misunderstood your previous comment.

    If so, my apologies.

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    Please, no apologies.... (none / 0) (#24)
    by NYShooter on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 09:50:03 PM EST
    ...but good ideas have to be constructed. And that means good people offering good ideas into the stew, where an effective theme emerges as if by magic. Sometimes, instant reaction, rat, tat, tat just shows panic; let's leave that for McCain. Obama has a superior intellect, let's use it.

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    Yes, BTD, it takes ... (none / 0) (#21)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 09:35:28 PM EST
    a professional to cut an effective ad.

    That thing you posted is the work of an amateur.

    Are we this far in the weeds that we need such remedial lessons?

    Scratch that ... maybe we do.

    I like the (none / 0) (#23)
    by 1jpb on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 09:45:45 PM EST
    Bush-McCain stuff.

    But, I really like a strong tie in with and focus on the economic records of R policies versus those of Ds.  In particular, I'm thinking about rises in income for average folks, purchasing power, and numbers of new middle class jobs.

    It's important to anticipate the Rs saying that Ds will raise taxes and destroy the economy.  They will use phrases like "Ds will take from the other side of the bucket, and think you won't be effected" or "Ds want to tax small businesses which are the engine and major employers of the economy" or "class warfare" or "socialism" etc. And, they will be able to muddy the waters by coming up with some data metrics that confuse rather than enlighten.  Of course, these are all specious arguments, but they can stick.

    To make these R arguments not stick it's important to inculcate the connection between McCain's adopted R orthodoxy and the record of that orthodoxy failing.  By November (or much earlier with mail voting) it's important for folks to respond with hysterical laughter the moment they hear an R talking about "buckets" or "destroying small business" and so on.  The data is there, the challenge is to make it stick with folks.  I don't think that simply repeating data is enough.

    Then, BHO needs to keep himself front and center in the media with his demeanor from the BillO interview and the 9-11 forum.  His polling may be going down, but he doesn't look like he's off his game.  I think that he's been looking his best yet--extremely capable but more at ease and approachable.

    Absolutely, and....... (none / 0) (#25)
    by NYShooter on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 10:10:46 PM EST
    And he should become identified with another powerful thought, or image. Historically, Americans have worked very long and hard, and without regret or cynicism, because they knew, or at least held realistic belief that their children would have better lives and futures than they had.  Images of Roosevelt, Kennedy, and yes, Clinton, should be morphed with Obama. The terrible legacy of Republican rule is the death of hope for the future.

    Reignite hope,  and the ballgame's over.

    Yikes! (none / 0) (#26)
    by NYShooter on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 10:25:23 PM EST
    Better find a new message.....quick.

    NYT.....Four Florida polls came out this week, with one showing a tied race, the others showing McCain leading by 5 to 8 percentage points.

    He's further behind than Kerry was at this time. And that's in spite of a mega effort in manpower and money poured into the state.

    Well (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 10:31:45 PM EST
    he poured a ton of money into GA only to be losing by 18 pts. The GOP has gone to the press and is laughing their butts off at him.

    I'm so depressed about this entire election. I hope we can keep congress and the senate.

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    No amount of (none / 0) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 10:32:27 PM EST
    money can turn a sow's ear into a silk purse is what we say down here in the south.

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    You know.... (none / 0) (#29)
    by NYShooter on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 10:47:28 PM EST
    when the "inside story" of both campaigns, Hillary's and Obama's, is told years from now, it's gonna make for some fascinating reading.

    Or is ther just something in the Democratic gene pool?

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