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McCain Working Hard In DC . . . Um At The Clinton Initiative In NYC

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:24:41 AM EST
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It's great to see Senator John McCain with his shoulder to the wheel on the Wall Street crisis by working hard in Washington in the tough negotiations in Congress lying about his regard for President Bill Clinton at the Clinton Global Initiative in New York. He stood there and stated how much respect he had for President Clinton.

That's funny, because I remember when McCain did not have much respect for President Clinton at all: [More...]

Mr. Chief Justice, I intend to vote to convict the President of the United States on both articles of impeachment. To say I do so with regret will sound trite to some, but I mean it sincerely. I deeply regret that this day has come to pass. . . . Indeed, I take no satisfaction at all from this vote, with one exception--and an important exception it is--that by voting to convict I have been spared reproach by my conscience for shirking my duty.

McCain is the most unprincipled, mendacious phony no good SOB that we have seen in politics in a long time. There is nothing he will not say or do to try and win an election. He is unfit for the office of the President.

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    Do we really (5.00 / 5) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:04:05 AM EST
    want to go down the road about previous statements about Bill Clinton? IIRC, Obama has made some pretty divisive statements himself. Truly, bringing up what McCain has said in the past only reminds me of what Obama has said and done.

    I'll go down that road (3.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:06:50 AM EST
    Pull up your worst Obama quote about Bill Clinton and tell me how you think it stacks up to voting to remove him from the Presidency.

    Wake up kid.  Your distaste for Obama is blinding you to the obvious.

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    Okay (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:14:09 AM EST
    so you're promoting lowest common denominator here. Frankly, I expect a Republican to say this kind of stuff.

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    Heh (1.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:37:29 AM EST
    The FACTS are the lowest common denominator now?

    You really are blinded by your dislike aren't you?

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    Nope (5.00 / 4) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:45:57 AM EST
    Do you honestly think that the things Obama said during the primary about Bill and trashing the 90's economy are OK? That's what you are implying even though you've said differently in the past. His behavior during the primary and immediately after the primary have made me very distrustful of him.

     

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    Of course I do not (3.00 / 2) (#62)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:51:55 AM EST
    WTF? Are you just filled with straw now?

    Should I now lump you in the unthinking class of PUMAs?

    Here's the fact, McCain voted to remove Clinton form office. NOTHING, I mean NOTHING, Obama said can compare to that except perhaps in your mind, twisted by dislike for Obama.

    Here is where I now am with you. I am gonna ignore you. You are not dealing honestly with me and I resent that.

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    I'm not (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:57:04 AM EST
    saying that they are the same. My issue is that because McCain voted to impeach Bill Clinton it doesn't make what Obama has said okay. I get your point-McCain is worse. But I don't think it excuses Obama either.

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    At what point in any of these comments (none / 0) (#99)
    by Faust on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:37:23 PM EST
    including the OP did BTD suggest that Obama was "excused" for his comments? He was ONLY talking about McCain.

    It was YOU who decided to introduce Obama here via the standard ODS line of attack where every time someone says anything about McCain the rebuttal is "random statment about how Obama is just like McCain smokescreen smokescreen Obama very bad too."

    Again I challenge you where did BTD "excuse" Obama here. You are arguing against arguments that have not even been made here. They exist in your own head because you insist, like most de-facto PUMAs as well as Republican trolls on this site that they are equivalent in all respects.

    McCain=Obama in your mind. Deny it all you want but this is your line of attack every time. You say you "get his point that McCain is worse than Obama."

    I do not find you credible when you make this claim as you seem manifestly incapable of distinguishing the two from each other.

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    But what on Earth (2.66 / 3) (#73)
    by litigatormom on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:23:41 AM EST
    makes you trust McCain more?

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    I don't (3.66 / 3) (#80)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:32:29 AM EST
    trust McCain more. What McCain has said and done is not a valid reason to make excuses for Obama is my point.

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    I'm not making excuses for him (none / 0) (#95)
    by litigatormom on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:12:01 PM EST
    although I think that McCain's shenanigans are in a whole different league.

    But you are suggesting that one shouldn't vote for Obama.  Not voting for Obama helps McCain.  And McCain is far, far less trustworthy, and affirmatively dangerous to this country.  I was not an Obama supporter in the primaries. I have my doubts about him.  He is vastly superior in every material respect to McCain. I'd rather take a chance on him than face the certainty of a disastroud McCain presidency.

    CHRIS DODD on TV now announcing agreement in principle on bailout deal.

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    I'm not suggesting (none / 0) (#97)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:27:05 PM EST
    anyone do anything w/r/t voting. I'm merely saying that I'm tired of people making excuses for Obama.

    Obama is going to have to convince the voters. He'll get people like you who'll vote for a ham sandwich with a D beside it. His problem is going to be the voters who aren't that loyal to the party. Obama is going to have to take responsibility if he fails. It's no one's fault but his own that people aren't convinced.

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    Question (1.00 / 1) (#43)
    by mpBBagain on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:15:53 AM EST
    since you're the most ANTI-OBAMA here and nothing he does is correct in your world.  Have you decided to vote McCain?  Or are you undecided?  

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    Obviously (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:20:24 AM EST
    you haven't read all my posts if you are making that kind of statement.

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    She's voting for Obama (5.00 / 3) (#57)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:36:54 AM EST
    She just doe s not like him. That seems a fair position in my opinion.

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    Do you have a shorter phrase (none / 0) (#91)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 11:24:28 AM EST
    to identify this category of Talk Left commenter?  

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    Nose Holders for Obama. (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Faust on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 01:05:26 PM EST
    Or NHO

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    She did recently admit (none / 0) (#74)
    by IndiDemGirl on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:23:44 AM EST
    that one of Obama's ads was good and a few weeks ago in a reply to one of my comments she said she loved Obama's 2004 convention speech.  Maybe she just has a glass half empty kind of view when it comes to Obama.

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    Schieffer says.... (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Pianobuff on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:08:22 AM EST
    Bob Schieffer on the Early Show:

    "BOB SCHIEFFER: I am told, Maggie, that the way McCain got involved in this in the first place, the Treasury Secretary was briefing Republicans in the House yesterday, the Republican conference, asked how many were ready to support the bailout plan. Only four of them held up their hands.  Paulson then called, according to my sources, Senator Lindsey Graham, who is very close to John McCain, and told him: you've got to get the people in the McCain campaign, you've got to convince John McCain to give these Republicans some political cover. If you don't do that, this whole bailout plan is going to fail. So that's how, McCain, apparently, became involved. "

    Heh (1.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:09:19 AM EST
    So McCain is for the Paulson Plan? Because Obama is not for it.

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    Unfortunately (none / 0) (#41)
    by Pianobuff on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:10:54 AM EST
    Schieffer does not address that.

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    MSNBC: McCain campaign now explains (none / 0) (#87)
    by litigatormom on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 11:00:45 AM EST
    cancellation of Letterman by saying that McCain thought it was "inappropriate to do comedy" during the financial crisis.

    That doesn't explain why he told Letterman he was rushing back to DC, which was a lie.


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    Hmmmm (1.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Pianobuff on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 11:20:28 AM EST
    How do you think it would be covered the next day if in the midst of the turmoil JSM was cracking wise with Dave?

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    That seems (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Steve M on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 11:32:29 AM EST
    like a non sequitur in response to the point that McCain told Letterman a lie.  Surely he had an option other than lying.

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    You noticed!!! (none / 0) (#93)
    by Pianobuff on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 11:43:08 AM EST
    Just returning the favor in kind...

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    DNFTT n/t (none / 0) (#101)
    by rilkefan on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 01:17:09 PM EST


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    He didn't have to be cracking jokes (none / 0) (#94)
    by litigatormom on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:02:01 PM EST
    He could have told Dave that he wanted to have a serious talk about the crisis, and used the opportunity to explain to viewers what he thought the bailout should look like.

    Haley "Mr. Republican" Barbour was just on teevee saying he expected both candidates to show up at Ole Miss tomorrow.

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    Letterman is a comedy show, not a pundit show (none / 0) (#107)
    by stefystef on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 02:57:33 PM EST
    McCain didn't want to look like an angry old prude on Letterman and bring down the so-called energy of the show (Letterman hasn't had energy in 20 years).

    Letterman needs to get over it.  McCain didn't show up.  Hell, Obama didn't even show up at the State of the Black Union and talk in front of Black Americans about the state of Black American in these times back in March and no one make as big a stink as McCain standing up old Gap-Tooth Dave.


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    McCain could have told the truth (none / 0) (#111)
    by rilkefan on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 04:29:14 PM EST
    He could have appeared on the show and been sober.  Letterman does sober just fine when it's appropriate.  This was just McCain cutting corners trying not to be late to his stunt.

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    Well, BTD, guess (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by frankly0 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:16:49 AM EST
    who would seem to disagree with you?

    Um, Bill Clinton:

    But Clinton told CNN's "Larry King Live" on Wednesday that he doesn't think "dumping" on McCain or his running mate, Sarah Palin, is a winning strategy. He said undecided voters aren't interested in attacks but solutions for the problems they face.

    "I just don't believe that getting up here and hyperventilating about Gov. Palin, or Sen. McCain for that matter, is a productive use of a former president's time and is not a vote-getter," he said, adding that he admires McCain even though he disagrees with several of his positions.

    (I wonder if my quoting Bill Clinton will somehow be construed as "anti-Obama" on this site.)

    It's not really as hard (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by rooge04 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:35:39 AM EST
    as you make it seem. You can completely disagree with McCain on every issue and not "dump" on him.  Besides, if the Clintons dump on McCain it will be all about that.  Obama is currently ahead because he's focusing on the economy...just like Bill just told you to do.  

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    Yes, why should (3.00 / 2) (#68)
    by frankly0 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:11:41 AM EST
    we feel obliged to demonize McCain, simply because we profoundly disagree with his policies?

    Honestly, I'll tell you this: I certainly agree that Obama's policies in toto are far more acceptable to me than McCain's could ever be. But, between the two, I see much more to admire in McCain as a person than I see in Obama. I'm not going to pretend to myself that it's otherwise, and feel an obligation to demonize McCain, or keep silent when I see him being demonized by people on my own ideological side. Indeed, I'm only more embarrassed and upset by their doing so than I am when Republicans do it to us: I feel responsibility to keep our own house in order, and not to behave shamefully.

    But I have to say, the amount of truly shameful behavior I've seen from Democrats in this election has just sickened me. All I seem to share with many of these people is a set of policy beliefs, period. Otherwise, they couldn't be more unlike me.

    It has been and continues to be truly and deeply depressing.

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    Clinton is wrong (5.00 / 0) (#56)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:36:06 AM EST
    I have no sacred cows.

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    I think, though, (3.00 / 2) (#65)
    by frankly0 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:03:26 AM EST
    that Bill Clinton is in a privileged position to speak to whether what McCain did toward him in the past entails that McCain does not respect him.

    I think it's pretty obvious from Clinton's remarks that he himself isn't offended by McCain's show of respect as are you. Clinton doesn't seem to see the gross hypocrisy in those remarks of McCain.

    Who can make that call more fairly than the person who is the object of those remarks?

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    The fact that he chooses not to say (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by litigatormom on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:26:22 AM EST
    that he was offended doesn't mean he wasn't offended.

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    I think Clinton is right (none / 0) (#102)
    by Montague on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 01:23:22 PM EST
    in saying that

    "dumping" on McCain or his running mate, Sarah Palin, is [not] a winning strategy.

    As far as this, however, goes:

    He said undecided voters aren't interested in attacks but solutions for the problems they face.

    I think many undecideds are pissed off about the "dumping" because they are just sick of that, or because of the suggestion that Obama ads were mocking McCain's disability, not because they think McCain/Palin offer solutions.

    Democrats and Obama supporters should immediately stop demonizing the Rethug ticket.  It is a losing strategy, when done by Democrats.  (Sadly, it seems to work for Republicans.)

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    More and ... (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:19:16 AM EST
    more over the last two weeks, McCain has revealed his inner moron for all to see.

    I'm allowed to call McCain a moron, aren't I?

    It really doesn't seem like that's a personal insult anymore.  More like sheer reportage.

    I don't know about BTD (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by litigatormom on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:28:05 AM EST
    but you certainly have MY permission to call McCain a moron.

    Also, craven, pandering, soulless, lying, self-ish, desperate, irresponsible and empty.

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    Wow, BTD, tell us how you really feel... (5.00 / 0) (#50)
    by stefystef on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:22:32 AM EST
    McCain is the most unprincipled, mendacious phony no good SOB that we have seen in politics in a long time. There is nothing he will not say or do to try and win an election. He is unfit for the office of the President.

    OUCH!  We are talking about politics here, not the papacy.

    It was said the same about Bush and he got two terms.  Remember, sometimes attacking your enemies only strengthens them.

    Yep (1.00 / 0) (#54)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:35:38 AM EST
    The power of my attacks are legendary. Sheesh, get a grip.

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    Oh, I'm griping (none / 0) (#108)
    by stefystef on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 03:00:32 PM EST
    I'm griping my mouse so I can read all these great posts.
    Folks are fired up.

    FIRE!

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    when you steal something you can have as many (none / 0) (#109)
    by thereyougo on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 03:24:08 PM EST
    as you want and GWB getting 2 terms does not say he was fairly elected. Remember Diebold and computer voting?

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    It would seem that the media... (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:35:02 AM EST
    ...narrative on this is not favorable to ole' Johnny

    From the right-leaning Rocky Mountain News:

    "If Winston Churchill could leave London in December 1941 and travel to America to address a joint session of Congress even as British troops in the Far East were reeling under Japanese attacks, somehow we think John McCain can make his way down to Oxford, Miss., for a debate Friday evening without imperiling the future of America."

    The WSJ (not exactly a liberal pinko outfit):

    "Last we checked, the President of the United States was still George W. Bush, the Secretary of the Treasury was still Henry Paulson, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve was still Ben Bernanke, and Congress still had 533 members not running for President who are at least nominally competent to debate and pass legislation.
    So count us as mystified by Senator John McCain's decision yesterday to suspend his campaign and call for a postponement in Friday's first Presidential debate so that he and Barack Obama can work out a consensus bill to stabilize the financial system. This is supposed to be evidence of leadership?
    ...
    When one of them becomes President, he won't have the luxury of pressing the "pause" button at the next crisis"

    How about a post about (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 11:20:52 AM EST
    the reasons, irrespective of this campaign, Sen. McCain is "the most unprincipled, mendacious phony no good SOB that we have seen in politics in a long time" and "unfit to be President."

    I'm not voting for McCain but I respect his POW-ship, probably more so than many because I saw the Hanoi Hilton. I also respect McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform and his efforts, which he later repudiated [as did Obama re FISA], for meaningful immigration reform. It seems to me in some respects he is a maverick as to his Republican colleagues in the Senate.

    Given "a pol is a pol," I'm interested in what in Sen. McCain's professional career makes him the most unprincipled, mendacious, and unfit.  Got it about the holier-than-thou speech announcing he'll vote for impeachment.  

     

    How about a million of them? (none / 0) (#105)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 02:11:02 PM EST
    Have you not been paying attention to John McCain at all?

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    Apparently not enough. I did read (none / 0) (#112)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:20:43 PM EST
    the NYT "McCain history" article from months ago--you know, the one including the rumor about the female lobbyist.  That article pretty much gave him a pass on Keating 5, much to my surprise.  Of course he is a war monger and couldn't be more solidly opposed to a woman's right to choose.  But, what I'm wondering what particular issues lead you to the labels you choose for him.

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    Honestly (none / 0) (#113)
    by CST on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:29:10 PM EST
    I used to kinda like McCain - for a republican.  At least respect him.

    The thing that made me lose all of my respect for the man was when he voted against the torture ban.

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    Speaking for Me also (4.00 / 4) (#1)
    by Katherine Graham Cracker on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:28:13 AM EST
    McCain is the most unprincipled, mendacious phony no good SOB that we have seen in politics in a long time. There is nothing he will not say or do to try and win an election. He is unfit for the office of the President.

    By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

    I Had McCain Pegged (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by MTSINAIMAMA on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:36:55 AM EST
    When he picked Palin. His lust for power and the Presidency overrode his common sense. Everything he has done since has reinforced my opinion. And to think I once admired the guy. Yesterday took the cake.

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    On this issue... (none / 0) (#30)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:59:14 AM EST
    ...BTD also speaks for me.  JSM3 has throw away every ounce of credibility in his misguided quest to be POTUS.  

    If BTD keeps it up, I just might be rooting for Florida by the time the season is out!

    Oh, and many thanks for controlling the pest population around here, BTD.

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    You know (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:03:11 AM EST
    there were a lot of idiots coming from the Obama supporter group about the Clintons. I banned them from my threads too.

    We can criticize Democrats, including Obama and Clinton while at the same time understanding that Republicans are cretins and McCain is one of the biggest. He is a phony, mendacious blithering idiot.

    He is a danger to the country.

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    Yes, I do know... (none / 0) (#38)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:09:11 AM EST
    ...hence the reason I didn't attach any labels to the pests.  Stupid is not exclusive to one party or one candidate--it is just heavily weighted to the right these days.  

    JSM3 is indeed a HUGE danger to this country.  

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    I agree with BTD (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by jb64 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:20:41 AM EST
    But rooting for the Gators?..... NEVER!

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    Heh. JB64, we are in agreement here, (none / 0) (#83)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:50:30 AM EST
    War Eagle, and Beat McCain!

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    Ya'll (none / 0) (#96)
    by jb64 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:24:25 PM EST
    have fun getting well at Tennessee's expense this week!

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    I am kind of shocked (4.00 / 4) (#2)
    by rooge04 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:32:03 AM EST
    by just how brazen McCain is turning out to be. This latest stunt shocked me because of its sheer stupidity and transparency.

    McCain's Campaign Team... (none / 0) (#69)
    by dutchfox on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:13:27 AM EST
    Aren't they all lobbyists? Maybe they want McCain to postpone the debates so they can all return to their "other jobs" and press get there "take" in the give-away?

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    I'm still reeling from this stunt. (none / 0) (#72)
    by Faust on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:23:21 AM EST
    I kinda can't believe it.

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    McCain is NO maverick. (4.00 / 4) (#7)
    by rooge04 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:37:14 AM EST
    He's a right-wing idealogue. And votes as such every single time.  If you believe the Maverick BS then congratulations, you have been duped by the MSM that tried to bury the same Clintons you claim to admire.  McCain is a right-winger all the way.  The Maverick label was media-pushed and created.

    I had forgotten (1.00 / 1) (#23)
    by litigatormom on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:51:31 AM EST
    that McCain voted to convict Clinton.

    I guess he did that because he was bucking the Republican leadership, eh?

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    Response to a deleted comment (1.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:53:21 AM EST
    from an idiotic PUMA.

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    puma (1.00 / 2) (#40)
    by mpBBagain on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:10:45 AM EST
    thanks for keeping the PUMA rift raft out.  They  have their  own site to call OBAMA the anti-christ all day long.

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    I am pleased (3.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Steve M on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:36:25 AM EST
    that the Democrats have not been shy at all about pointing out that McCain has been AWOL on this entire issue right up until yesterday, when he suddenly decided it required his complete attention.  Much like Bush cutting his vacation short by a day to deal with Katrina.

    As of Tuesday, in fact, McCain admitted that he had not even read the Paulson/Bernanke bailout plan.  If Pearl Harbor had been bombed on McCain's watch, would he have woken up and given a speech about it sometime around Christmas?

    Everyone here sees through (3.00 / 2) (#66)
    by kenosharick on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:07:58 AM EST
    the mccain stunt. Isn't there a danger that many undecided voters will see "a man of principle" putting the nation's problems before his own campaign? Especially if they watch FOX? Many of these voters in the middle are not too bright and thought Reagan or Bush were good choices at one time.

    And then (none / 0) (#5)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:36:26 AM EST
    McCain is standing there saying how much he admires Bill Clinton.

    Then there's Bill Clinton on Larry King and The View telling us what a great guy McCain is.

    Uhh.

    Did you actually (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by rooge04 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:38:13 AM EST
    hear what Bill said? That Obama/Biden is better for the country. And that attacking McCain personally is not the way to win. Listen to him.

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    So Bill and Hillary and Obama and all (5.00 / 0) (#28)
    by Jjc2008 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:56:15 AM EST
    democrats should get in the gutter and be everything we all say we detest???

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    Eh (none / 0) (#24)
    by litigatormom on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:52:42 AM EST
    Even David Letterman spoke of his admiration for McCain's heroism -- right before he tore him several new orifices.

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    I agree with Bill (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by rooge04 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:55:40 AM EST
    that it's just bad strategy for him or for Hillary to "dump on" McCain. He doesn't need to tear McCain a new one in order to back Obama/Biden.

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    Just MAYBE (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by PlayInPeoria on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:19:22 AM EST
    Bill know a little about politics.

    Personal attacks only bring on the "Amercans love the underdog to win" attitude. The "feelings" then become the drive .... not the policies.

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    Exactly (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Jjc2008 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:19:34 AM EST
    and anyone with even a short memory remembers what the press idiots and pundits did to Wes Clark for his remark.  And how the Obama campaign went along with the stupid pundits....because it was the smartest thing to do.

    There is a mentality in this country that somehow a republican who served his country and was a POW is off limits for trashing.

    It's not just Bill Clinton.  Not one person, political or citizen surrogate, who does not preface any discussion about McCain with "I admire McCain's service to country, yadayadayada".......

    WHY?  The republican party somehow, since Reagan, has owned, defined and framed patriotism.  After what the right was able to do to Kerry while the pundit class sat silently, nary a word of protest; after what the right was able to do (getting Dan Rather fired for daring to investigate W's AWOL status) while the rest of the press sat silently; after the way Wes Clark was thrown under the bus for fear of losing voters over "trashing a POW"...
    after the way Bill Clinton was trashed and lied about (called a draft dodger, a traitor for protesting), a democrat, ANY DEMOCRAT, would be stupid to play into the rovian's rights hands.
     

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    Heh (none / 0) (#51)
    by Steve M on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:23:25 AM EST
    The rules during the primaries were that it was a horrible crime to say anything nice about John McCain, if your name was Clinton.  Otherwise it was just smart politics!

    I'm personally past all that... but apparently not everyone is.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#104)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 01:46:24 PM EST
    Praise for McCain's heroism is always a prelude to tearing him a new orifice.

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    Who are you trying to convince, exactly? (none / 0) (#6)
    by andgarden on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:37:05 AM EST


    Repsonse to a deleted comment (1.00 / 0) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:53:52 AM EST
    from an idiotic PUMA.

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    Transparency? (none / 0) (#19)
    by Demi Moaned on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:44:31 AM EST
    His phoniness seems to be much more transparent than say Bush's was in 2000. Even the mass-consumption press seems to be getting the idea.

    John (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by JThomas on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:59:26 AM EST
    McCain is bouncing around like a pinball looking for scoring opportunities in any direction. His campaign is looking so frazzled,they are putting out fires more than actually saying anything about what they actually want to do as leaders of the country.

    It is the wack-a-mole campaign. And he will say anything at anytime to pander to whatever audience that he happens to be propped up in front of...no wonder he wants a pass on the debate. He is not ready. He is tired and he is mad as hell..not gonna debate anymore.

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    I'm not convinced... (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:06:00 AM EST
    ...that the whole debate thing isn't a ploy to try and keep Palin from having to debate Biden.  

    Either she's not "ready for primetime"--as the Curic interview showed--or their is some big story on her about to break.  Or both.

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    My wonderment, too, (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:55:20 AM EST
    I'll go beyond that to include the McCain/Obama debate.  This suspend the campaign and the issues are too important to debate and discuss are just too risky if in no other way than the sure loser look of being frightened. The semblance of running away from a fight is a different stripe of risk than the Palin selection.  It seems more of a cover-up, maybe health related of the nature that can be seen during a debate--note McCain's left eye and reports of the employment of a new and expensive make-up artist, to replace the last one who seemed to be a graduate of a school  of mortuary science, with a major in embalming.

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    If anyone's interested, here's a link... (none / 0) (#52)
    by EL seattle on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:33:46 AM EST
    ...to the rundown for today's C.G.I. PLENARY SESSION: Integrated Solutions: Water, Food & Energy event that McCain will be opening, and Obama will be closing (via satellite).

    Three of Obama's four points (none / 0) (#75)
    by litigatormom on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:25:29 AM EST
    are reported to be part of the plan. The only question mark is an amendment to the bankruptcy bill, which is the most complicated to draft quickly.  If Obama wins, I think it will get passed later.

    Not mutually exclusive (none / 0) (#81)
    by Faust on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:37:27 AM EST
    Stunt:

    4. Something done to attract attention or publicity.

    Gambit:

    1. any maneuver by which one seeks to gain an advantage.  
    2. a remark made to open or redirect a conversation.  

    I wonder what you would be saying if Obama had pulled this stunt. Oh wait. I know already.

    Is McCain really more unprincipled than Joe? (none / 0) (#84)
    by Belswyn on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:50:50 AM EST
    Or is it a small difference of large numbers?

    :)

    McCain, biggest phoney? Liar? (none / 0) (#88)
    by Doc Rock on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 11:10:37 AM EST
    I disagree, there are plenty in the Cheney-Bush cabal worse, but McCon is in the running!

    I have to agree (none / 0) (#103)
    by Montague on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 01:28:45 PM EST
    McCain is no maverick, but he continues to be perceived as one by all too many voters.  What I don't get is why so many people think McCain is going to be a disaster that is worse than the Bush disaster.  Indeed, it hardly matters at this point because the November vote won't hinge on how many people think McCain is worse than Bush.  Not enough voters believe McCain is worse than Bush.

    Democrats have serious trouble winning the presidency.  What they should be doing instead, IMO, is focusing on not just winning more seats in Congress, but on USING their power as the legislative branch.  Congress used to be the equal of the executive.  Let's get back to that paradigm.  Unfortunately, this bizarre presidential race is taking money and focus from Congressional races.

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    Standard republican fare (none / 0) (#98)
    by pluege on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:29:21 PM EST
    unprincipled, mendacious phony no good SOB...There is nothing he will not say or do to try and win an election. He is unfit for the office...

    Beware, oh take care (none / 0) (#106)
    by Lora on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 02:23:28 PM EST
    There is nothing he will not say or do to try and win an election.

    I agree!  On all fronts.  Please, please, all watch out for the dirty tricks on election day and before, with voters, with voting methods, and with counting methods.  Let us make sure they all are exposed to the light of day.  If you have "faith" in the integrity of the process, you are ripe for the taking.

    Funny, (none / 0) (#110)
    by stefystef on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 03:43:38 PM EST
    I remember when many Democrats didn't have respect for Bill Clinton.  Just this year, in fact.

    Clinton as scapegoat is a national pastime with both parties.

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