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By Big Tent Democrat, Section Blog Related
Posted on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 06:19:58 PM EST
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As readers know, I sign most of my posts "speaking for me only." The reason I do that is because it permits me to say some stupid sh*t and sometimes some smart sh*t that other folks may not want to say without it reflecting on two of the nicest, fairest, sharpest people I know, Jeralyn and TChris.

Our contentious blogging colleague John Cole has had some fun at my expense about that phrase. That's fair and funny. But I wish John would credit me when I write one he likes. For instance, Country first my ass about John McCain. What say you John?

This is an Open Thread. And yes, I am speaking for me only.

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    About the FDR thing... (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by Salo on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 06:29:09 PM EST
    ...do you seriously think Obama has that sort of leftie reform character?

    His book AOH went itno great detail about how the New Deal was crumbling and that Reagan had pretty much bureid the project.

    I might add that Obama shed no tears during that particular exposition of the FDR v Reagan compare and contrast chapter.

    I feel half inclined to 1 rate anyone who even suggests Obama's fit to hold the mantle of FDR. To back it up i'll quote to the hapless reasearcher and propagandist posters from Audacity of Hope about the New Deal being defunct.

    Doesn't anyone read hard copy when they do their research anymore?  Is it all just talking points for the week latching on to any popular sentiment or is there any real substance to the campaign?

    I do (none / 0) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 07:19:53 PM EST
    In fact, I think he is warming to the role.

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    Somerby PWND (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Faust on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 06:40:43 PM EST
    Atrios today.

    imo.

    Great post (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 06:49:18 PM EST
    And gawd knows Bob and have gotten into it often.

    But this "nominal allies" sh*t has got to stop.

    Atrios' attitude to Somerby's critique is indeed the problem of the Left Blogs - logrollers in our time. Just like the Media.

    They have become that which they claim to hate.

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    I know there are larger points here (none / 0) (#21)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 09:17:34 PM EST
    mainly, about manipulation.  Should it surprise anyone that manipulation corrupts? BUT...

    The debate really was about tone though I think.  When I saw it I posted here that Obama's confidence, his sudden lack of ums and ahs when discussing foreign policy, probably contributed to Independents coming to like him more than McCain(at least those held hostage by CNN!).  Obama projected his foreign policy ethos in his manner.  Obama was completely in control of that conversation.  We have a Democrat whose strength lies in foreign policy - Obama's X factor of opposing the Iraq War from the beginning is still functional.  

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    the Senate is going to vote tomorrow (none / 0) (#2)
    by Teresa on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 06:35:16 PM EST
    night on the financial plan says CNN. I wonder if the House will just vote again on that same plan or a revised one?

    I think (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 06:45:57 PM EST
    it's the same one. Have they had time to revise it? I'm thinking they've been on vacation. In the end, Bush will get pretty much what he wants delivered to him by Pelosi and company.

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    Pelosi (none / 0) (#7)
    by Prana on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 07:18:21 PM EST
    knows where her and others money come from. Wall Street has given her $1,889,622 since 1989. Of course Obama dwarfs that with $27,942,613 since 1989 and he hasn't even been in office State of Federal since 1989 so he amassed that in a record short time. No wonder he is chastising the 'No' votes to vote Yes.

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    You kid I hope (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 07:19:34 PM EST


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    Nope (none / 0) (#12)
    by Prana on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 07:28:14 PM EST
    Opensecrets.org a non-profit, non-partisan 25 year old investigative organization started by Senator Frank Church which closely monitors the influence of money in politics used public information to gather those figures. Dodd and Franks don't look so good either in what the have cashed in on from Wall Street.

    Open Secrets says that those pushing the legislation have received a minimum of 50% more than those who are not pushing it. Here is a table of the figures name by name.

    Oensecrets

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    They are the biggest pols there are (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 07:34:19 PM EST
    of course they get the most money.

    This is this phony baloney lobbyist sh*t.

    Pelsoi does not give a crap about Wall Street on some personal level.

    I have Pelosi as much as anyone at this site, but this is BS.

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    Most of the highest paid (none / 0) (#19)
    by Prana on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 08:21:20 PM EST
    are the ones pushing the legislation the hardest. Coincidence? And Obama's 27.9 million combined with how hard he is pushing for these guys lately so they get 700 Billion? Coincidence?

    I'm a long time believer in 'Follow the money'. It always tells the story without fail. That is why I have been so disappointed with the Democratic Party for many years now. OpenSecrets is not BS. It marches to the beat of Frank Church's spirit. The numbers are real. It is only whether the money influences which is subject to interpretation. That is an easy call imo.

    And Pelosi:

    Pelosis' net worth was $14.7 million to $55 million in 2005, ranking them ninth in the House and 17th in the entire Congress.

    The bulk of the Pelosis' money comes from investments in stocks and real estate.

    Wow another coincidence.

    Wow another coincidence.

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    The missing link (none / 0) (#13)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 07:32:25 PM EST
    From Opensecrets.org

    McCain and Hillary are right behind him this year with numbers in the 20 millions


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    Yep (none / 0) (#20)
    by Prana on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 08:28:35 PM EST
    Clinton is to be expected being from NY the home of Wall Street. and yes she too is business friendly but still takes care of the people. McCain is another story altogether.

    But Clinton and McCain does not diminish how much Obama has received. And it doesn't change his behavior of pushing hard for 700 billion for the people who fatten his wallet.

    Just sayin you know. 27.9 Million and saying bankrutcy is not necessary in this bill! What's in your wallet?

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    Only if House Republicans (none / 0) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 07:19:08 PM EST
    flip flop.

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    Or the Blue Dog Democrats (none / 0) (#11)
    by Prana on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 07:22:19 PM EST
    who voted no. That is what the Republicans are hoping for because they want the Democrats to own this travesty of a bill.

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    Or (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 08:10:39 PM EST
    some Dems flip flop. Or maybe some dems and some republicans flip flop. There's lots of combinations to get the votes.

    Maybe Obama can get all the votes in the CBC. He seems to want this bill. Of course, so does McCain.

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    Senate plan reputed (none / 0) (#15)
    by oldpro on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 08:06:07 PM EST
    to have segment on bankruptcy which the House won't like.

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    Or maybe a tax-cut (none / 0) (#16)
    by oldpro on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 08:08:19 PM EST
    already rejected by the House.

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    It was reported tonight (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 08:11:20 PM EST
    that the Senate was including a tax cut already rejected by the house.

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    Something to think about.... (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 06:41:42 PM EST
    before we give a helping hand to Morgan Effin Stanley.

    Crude

    Gold Rush! (none / 0) (#22)
    by Fabian on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 10:09:31 PM EST
    This has nothing to do with Wall Street at all.  It's just a cheap ploy to get you to look for an apple called, well, "GoldRush". (It may be spelled as one word or two.)

    GoldRush is a late apple, lightly russeted.  Russeted apples have rough skin - please don't be turned off by this!  Inside you will find a very firm, crunchy apple that is sweet and tart and flavorful.  The vendors who introduced this apple to me last fall liked it for fresh eating.  I'm not fond of firm apples for eating out of hand, but these apples are excellent for salads and cooking.

    (Perhaps if I push really good apple varieties, the dreadful Red Delicious will slide into oblivion.)

    prediction (none / 0) (#23)
    by scourtney on Wed Oct 01, 2008 at 01:04:38 AM EST
    Obama has proposed a true Bailout plan, titled "Bush Get Out of America!!!". the law is expected to pass with flying colors.

    i'll be here all night folks!

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