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Stand Up For Community Organizers


In light of last night's speeches at the Republican National Convention, the Obama campaign is reminding the public of this video, shown at the Democratic National Convention. These are the community organizers who were the objects of scorn and derision yesterday in speeches by Sarah Palin and Rudy Giuliani. Ordinary people trying to make their communities and their country better. To the white conservative crowd, "community organizer" might be a code word, but ridiculing people who do good work is a strategy destined to backfire.

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    facts might be helpful (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by txpublicdefender on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 06:43:27 PM EST
    Palin was not the mayor of Anchorage.  She was the mayor of a small town of less than 10,000 people outside Anchorage.  And what Palin said was that being a mayor was like being a community organizer except with actual responsibility.  That is a clear slap in the face to those who do great work for the people in their community as organizers.

    And, perhaps you are confusing Obama with Palin.  She is the one who is quoted as having said that she wanted to be supportive of Hillary, as the ceiling-crashing female candidate, but she didn't like her "whining."  ( http://www.newsweek.com/id/156190/output/print )

    Palin prefaced her remarks (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by ding7777 on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:10:35 PM EST
    re "community orginizer" with
    And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on [my hometown mayor] experience, let me explain to them what the job involves

    The target [Obama/supporters who denigrate small town mayors] was clearly stated and in no way was it a "clear slap in the face to those who do great work for the people in their community as organizers."

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    Obama prefaced his 'bitter' comments (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by nalo on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:20:34 PM EST
    by explaining that people have a right to vote on "gods, guns' but Democrats must explain economic issues better to them, so they don't become single-issue wedge voters.   That didn't stop the Republicans from bashing Obama for 'bitter' all day.

    The point is... Palin made a huge gaffe and she has to take the consequences.

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    Apparently not (5.00 / 0) (#48)
    by JAB on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:26:29 PM EST
    CBS has a new poll out today (before McCain's speech).

    It's all tied up 42-42, when last week, Obama was up by 8.

    Link

    The most telling aspect of this poll is:

    Independents in this poll are divided. In the poll conducted over the weekend, Obama had a six-point advantage with this group, but now the lead is three points, 39 percent to 36 percent.


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    Interesting (none / 0) (#59)
    by nycstray on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:35:35 PM EST
    McCains going after indies and moderates now I believe. With Palin locking up the base, he has some freedom to become "Super Reformerman".

    Hopefully Obama will run to the left now, for what it's worth.

    Parent

    Let's hope to god Obama starts (none / 0) (#79)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:55:18 PM EST
    running to the left sometime soon.

    He's run so far in the other direction he may not get back in time for the GE.

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    Actually, Palin is gaining Independents (none / 0) (#108)
    by andrys on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 03:59:44 AM EST
    and that's the problem.

    Parent
    Again, Dems get bogged down in 'nuance'... (none / 0) (#86)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 08:05:11 PM EST
    I never thought I'd say that because I'm all for context and nuance.

    But nowadays, in politics, it's gotta fit on a bumper-sticker. That's not the way it should be, but that's the way it is.

    Unfortunately, this won't change until something compels a much greater degree of depth and breadth in public discourse.

    Parent

    So Obama loses the bitter (none / 0) (#120)
    by ding7777 on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 11:38:40 AM EST
    God/gun clinger voters and Palin loses the commiunity organizer voters.. shrewd tatics </snark>

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    Obama is the one that put down (4.50 / 4) (#11)
    by nycstray on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 06:51:03 PM EST
    her Mayoral work in comparison to his community organizing. And didn't even bother about her being a Gov. And then Biden called her a Lt Gov today.

    It would be nice to see a video of actual community work and the various aspects and variety in defense of it vs another Obama campaign vid.

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    Thank You (5.00 / 7) (#51)
    by nell on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:29:31 PM EST
    To reaffirm, I am no McCain/Palin supporter, but I am not invested in Obama's candidacy and can see this a bit more objectively than some who are deeply invested. This is fine, I was deeply invested in Hillary's candidacy and I could not always see things fairly.

    Obama and his campaign knocked her accomplishments from day one, referring to her as a small town mayer of 9,000 as if she was STILL a small town mayor - she is not, she is a Governor. If Obama were STILL a state legislator (the comparison that I think is more on par with being a small town mayor...community organizing is on par with the PTA and small business owner), he would have a lot more trouble with the "experience" question, just as if she were STILL just a small town mayor she would have a problem.

    Democrats would be angry if McCain said that Obama was a state legislator, which is a part-time job and only meets 53 days a year. And the Obama campaign would be right to hit back, and hit back hard, because that is not giving him the respect he is due - he is a US Senator and he deserves credit for that accomplishment, as well as the acknowledgment of his proper title. Similarly, the Obama campaign knocked Palin a small town mayor and she is not, she is a Governor, and she is due that respect, whether you like her or not. They ridicule her for running for VP as a small town mayor and she hit back by ridiculing him for acting like community organizing is a qualification.

    I don't see why this is so hard to understand...

    And I say this as someone who worked as a community organizer...

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    You're missing the point (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by nalo on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:57:08 PM EST
    The Republicans scripted the entire convention yesterday to repeatedly bash community organizers on national TV.  Their messaging was ugly.

    That the Republicans were retaliating for what they perceived as a Democratic attack is debatable--(I disagree--it was started first by the absurd Republican claim that Palin has more experience than Biden and Obama put together.)

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    For the record... (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 08:18:09 PM EST
    Obama's spokesman (Bill Burton) minimized Palin, both by calling her a "former" mayor and by failing to acknowledge her Governorship at all. From the Obama campaign's initial statement on August 30th:

    "Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency."

    I'm also no fan of McCain/Palin. If you live by the sword, you die by the sword, yadda, yadda.


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    They aren't running a biographer episode (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 08:28:12 PM EST
    They didn't lie and they didn't disparage her performance.  They simply talked about what they felt was the best thing to say politically.

    You know, kinda like how the Republicans focused on Obama's work in his early 20s rather than his work as a lawyer, teacher, State Senator or Senator.

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    Problem is that neither Obama nor Axelrod (none / 0) (#105)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 01:37:49 AM EST
    have any idea about "the best thing to say politically". And they don't know how to say it to anybody other than those who Donna Brazille identifies as the new Democratic base. That would be the 'creative class', young new voters and AAs.

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    They did do a stupid tactical thing (none / 0) (#107)
    by andrys on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 03:57:56 AM EST
    that's been evident.  They always (even Carville) talk about her as a mayor of a small town, seeming to hope that the audience gets this image instead of what she has been doing for almost 2 years.

      If Palin talked to reporters and compared her staff and budget as a governor of Alaska vs Obama's staff and budget as a state-legislator, not mentioning he is a U.S. Senator now, I think you'd hear quite an outcry.

      They have to stop doing this because they ARE upsetting fair-minded people.  It's more a desperate or dishonest comparison and too obviously a strategy since they're all doing it.

      Seeming to belittle those of small towns is something Obama lost a lot of support over.  This was televised and I think it hurt him.  Certainly did with people I know.  Time to stop playing tricks as if people were not smart enough to detect them or to notice when a woman is being belittled.

      I'm just telling the truth there but I am willing for this to be 1 of my 4 allowed such posts a day, especially since I normally don't post that much.

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    It'd be nice (none / 0) (#21)
    by nalo on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:03:12 PM EST
    if Sarah Palin would actually give an interview or even a scripted town hall to answer question from real people.  Does she have any ideas to input?  Will she change a McCain administration positions to denying global warming, drilling ANWR, outlawing abortion, and pro-earmark?

    But I think McCain team is planning to just keep her as scripted as possible till November and whine about media bias.

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    I'm sure she will (none / 0) (#52)
    by nycstray on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:30:58 PM EST
    she's only been around for a few days and needed to make appearances, get her speech together for last night and deal with all the rumors flying about. She also met with the First Lady and Mrs McCain etc.

    So, it'd still be nice to see a non-campaign vid. Or a comment that relates to what I commented.

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    My only comment to your comment (none / 0) (#74)
    by nalo on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:49:13 PM EST
    Was her trashing community organizers was a huge gaffe.

    But I get the feeling, we can agree to disagree on this issue?

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    Really? (none / 0) (#38)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:17:21 PM EST
    Where did he do that?

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    When he compared (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by LatinoVoter on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:32:30 PM EST
    his campaign, the number of employees, his budget to that of Mayor Palin while ignoring that she was now the Governor with a larger budget than his and a larger number of employees.

    Parent
    Yeah (none / 0) (#88)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 08:07:12 PM EST
    Too bad he didn't have a video camera team following around as a 20 something year old community organizer.

    What a sham he is!

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    OK sure (none / 0) (#94)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 08:20:33 PM EST
    Yup.  Read it again.  Once again it reads that as a justification for any and all attacks on Obama because of various perceived slights and comments by Obama and anyone loosely associated with Obama.

    And to ask for video of Obama's work while an organizer in Chicago 20 years ago borders on the ssurreal.

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    Just read on Daily Kos (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Rover1 on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 06:43:32 PM EST
    Jesus was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a Governor.

    That's no way to (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 06:53:57 PM EST
    win friends and influence people.

    Obama is Jesus and Palin is Pontius Pilate? That doesn't do much to dispel the perception that Obama and his supporters are delusional and grandiose does it?

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    Not to mention Pontius Pilate was (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:08:49 PM EST
    a puppet of Rome.

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    Logic? (none / 0) (#80)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:56:18 PM EST
    The fact that Jesus was a community organizer does not logically imply that all community organizers are Jesus.

    The classic formulation is: Chickens are birds. Birds fly. Therefore chickens fly.

    You may be right, however,  if you are implying that those inclined to vote for McSame are not logical.

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    I will ignore Godwin's law & reply (none / 0) (#101)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 09:33:22 PM EST
    I don't think Markos was saying Obama is like Jesus. I think Markos was making fun of the idiocy of Palin's original implication, that community organizers are something bad, or inferior.

    The TL poster's statement was, of course a logical fallacy, just as yours was.

    As general proposition, there is a lot of crap on the nets, but I won't fall into the same trap as you and the previous poster.

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    Not to mention that Pilate lived longer (none / 0) (#109)
    by andrys on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:00:37 AM EST
    Ha! (2.00 / 0) (#8)
    by txpublicdefender on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 06:45:14 PM EST
    That's awesome.

    Parent
    Those are community organizers? (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by nycstray on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 06:45:21 PM EST
    They look like Obama people to me with the purpose of getting Obama elected. :)

    Oh (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by Steve M on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 06:53:50 PM EST
    So she didn't say that community organizers, unlike small-town mayors, have no actual responsibilities.  We must have all imagined that putdown.

    Palin did diss community organizers, but (5.00 / 0) (#17)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 06:58:01 PM EST
    The Obama campaign drew blood first with their initial statement.

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    Okay (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by Steve M on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:08:09 PM EST
    but it's still an insult, even if you want to argue it was a justified insult.

    The game where every statement by a Democrat is an insult to all small-town residents everywhere, or all of our men and women in uniform, or whatever - while at the same time everything said by a Republican is just a putdown of a single Democrat which no one else should take offense to - is a very silly one.

    Parent

    This falls into the same category as those (3.00 / 1) (#66)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:39:19 PM EST
    who "cling to guns and religion"...they took offense and people in small towns might too and there are a helluva lot more people in small towns than there are community organizers, jmo

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    Right, the small-town mayor (5.00 / 0) (#110)
    by andrys on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:04:54 AM EST
    vs the much more impressive forces of a campaign -- without mentioning she's a governor or doing additional comparisons.
    This will hurt, as it is clear he did this, and she prefaced her statement that it was a rejoinder to his belittling her small town mayoral job vs his (while he's running for President and she's running for Vice President.

      I hardly have to remind anyone that BTD has said they must not do this kind of thing.  And it makes Obama look small when he does.  Why isn't he smart enough to say he doesn't make meaningless comparisons.

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    My point is that some Dems are (none / 0) (#78)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:51:13 PM EST
    tone-deaf in the comments they make about the small-town, blue collar demographic. That's HIGHLY unfortunate because Democratic policies are considerably more reflective of  populist interests.

    I certainly don't believe the GOP has more respect for that demographic, but they go out of their way to court them, and are less tone-deaf in their rhetoric. In fact, the GOP can talk-the-talk so well that hardly anybody notices that they don't walk-the-walk.

    Obama/Biden need to get really good at BOTH, really soon.

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    heh, well yeah (none / 0) (#22)
    by nalo on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:04:42 PM EST
    But hers was meaner and on national TV in her nomination speech, with coordinated talking points throughout the evening.  

    Dems can work the refs sometimes too!

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    Well, there are community organizers (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:06:57 PM EST
    and then there are community organizers.

    Personally, I think this is a good example of real community organizers:

    In the early '90s, Wasilla was little more than half as big as it is today, and much more loosely confederated. The main issue then, says longtime resident Chas St. George, was public safety. "We needed a police department," he says. "So we set up a group to make it happen." That group -- Watch on Wasilla -- included a handful of the town's most influential figures: St. George; the town's mayor, John Stein; and [Sarah] Palin, who wasn't in elected office yet. Her father-in-law Jim Palin and his wife Faye were also in the group.


    Now THAT (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by demchick on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:17:17 PM EST
    is community organizing.

    Parent
    And they chose Holling Vincoeur (none / 0) (#96)
    by lilburro on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 08:29:31 PM EST
    as the first sheriff...

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    You funny! (none / 0) (#112)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:44:38 AM EST
    This is considered fair game (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by nalo on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:12:54 PM EST
    In American politics. Did you miss the "bitter" and "small town" attacks which were taken completely out of context in Palin's speech?

    The attack on community organizers was as equivalently insulting as 'bitter' but it was done in primetime on national TV, and in an exceedingly mean-spirited way.  For many voters, it was their first introduction to Gov. Palin..

    It'll backfire because community organizers actually register people to vote!  Kind of weird of the Republicans to spend the whole convention motivating Democrats to get out the vote.

    I dunno (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:14:13 PM EST
    You tell me what a part time mayor of a township of 6000 does?

    There are more than 6000 people in a city block of Chicago.

    I love the notion of a municipal mayor as authoritarian.  Small town mayors primarily are cat herders.

    And if you don't think that Rudy and Palin were snide and dismissive of community organizer, then you weren't watching their speeches.  

    I know WHY they were snide and dismissive but that doesn't change the fact that they were.

    What Chicago are (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by LatinoVoter on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:35:14 PM EST
    you talking about? There are less than 200 people on the city block I live and all the block around me.

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    The point is (none / 0) (#84)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 08:01:45 PM EST
    that there are a lot more people in Chicago than Wasilla Alaska.

    If you would like to get into the math we can.

    Parent

    Actually (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Steve M on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 08:07:59 PM EST
    from what I've read, it sounds like Palin was actually pretty economically progressive as a mayor, in the sense that she wasn't content to simply keep the seat warm and let Wasilla remain a sleepy little town.

    Now, I think the blogs are documenting that not everything she did worked out so great, but I get the sense that she wasn't some do-nothing mayor.  I mean, you don't typically go from being a small-town mayor to being Vice-President, but where I come from you don't generally get from small-town mayor to Governor either.  I respect her accomplishments even though I disagree with her ideology.

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    more than 6,000 to a block?!! (none / 0) (#47)
    by nycstray on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:26:19 PM EST
    them's some tall buildings on the south side.

    Parent
    They volunteer (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by NealB on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:19:38 PM EST
    It's irrational to compare mayoral responsibility, with all its power and perks, with community service.

    As someone who has done community (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by bjorn on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:36:47 PM EST
    organizing I think it is a waste of community workers time to be insulted by this...this is not about community workers.  Focus on the work and getting Obama elected.  To many times we turn these things around to make it all about ourselves.  Palin was giving payback to Obama supporters who mocked her.  The rest is a silly waste of time and a distraction.

    that is the point (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by txpublicdefender on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:58:42 PM EST
    It's not about community organizers just being insulted.  It's just that this is just one more thing that I think will fire up community organizers to organize for Obama.

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    I think Obama and his campaign had it coming... (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by HypeJersey on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 08:05:43 PM EST
    Their attacks on her have been condescending in nature, and they come off as being elitist and dismissive of "small town" America.  Since she was added to the ticket, all they have done is tear her down, a lot of it sexist and a lot of it just sickening - attacking her family etc.  

    They deserved everything they got from her.  Clearly, her words were answering their attacks on her.  YOu'd only see dismissal of "community organizers" as a group if you wanted to.

    I'm really tired of the tit for tat kind of snark that comes from the campaigns.  They are acting like high school students - Freshman, at that.

    The way I heard it (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by TimNCGuy on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 08:50:08 PM EST
    earlier in the campaign was that Obama was a community organizer for a short time but didn't stay in the position long enough to actually affect any changes to the benefit of the community. It was assumed that he was using his position to build up a base in the community for getting elected to the IL state senate. This may all be wrong. But, I've never seen anything published stating how and in what ways the community was better after Obama left or what he accomplished while in the position.

    What's Sarah Got Against Poppy? (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by fishsandwich on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 01:53:08 PM EST
    After hearing Sarah Pain's acceptance speech and her disdain for community organizers, I have to assume she feels that way about George H.W. Bush, too.   If I remember correctly, his Thousand Points of Light program celebrated community organizers and the programs they develop to address the intractable problems of this nation.  

    In fact, the program's web site says in its mission a "volunteer driven community impact projects annually around the country. We are unleashing the power of people to solve problems and build communities. We are generating ideas, telling the story and creating new tools for change-making."  

    What does Sarah Palin have against that?


    give me a break (4.50 / 4) (#40)
    by demchick on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:19:16 PM EST
    If this communtiy organizing flap is the best our party and our nominee can do to fight back we are in trouble. they need to let the Bridge and this and the fight over the top of the ticket vs. the bottom of the ticket on experience go...losing arguments all.

    Move on and try to win....this stinks of desperation.

    Two reasons:

    1.  They are good at organizing the community, as in getting people registered to vote and getting them to the polls; and

    2.  There are a lot of people out there in this country who have had real differences in their lives made by community organizers when the government did nothing for them

    Of course the Obama campaign is not going to make this the centerpiece of their campaign.  But, it certainly doesn't hurt to get the community organizers out there fired up on your side.

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    Let clear heads prevail. Honestly, you all (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:32:16 PM EST
    know they were referring to "ONE" community organizer specifically, not ALL community organizers...

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    I disagree (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by NealB on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:38:01 PM EST
    The argument motivated me to give $100 to Obama today. I've been a reluctant Obama supporter for a few months now. I've worked for next to nothing using my skills to do what I could to to add to my community. My service was born of a kind of naive idealism, but I'm proud of it. During the beginning of AIDS in the 80s, I think our organization raised some awareness during the ambivalence of Reagan's response to the crisis.

    Hundreds of thousands have contributed in similar ways during the ascendency of the hatred of the Nixon/Reagan era, trying to mitigate the damage Republicans have done. The issue of community service, the work of community organizers, raises the question of whether or not Republicans really stand up for those who suffer, or whether they just pay lip service to the idea. Their answer is consistently the same: to ridicule anyone who gives without making money. It's a clear question, with a clear answer.

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    After her speech... (none / 0) (#75)
    by badguppy on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:49:27 PM EST
    Obama is on pace to raise $10 million dollars.
    McCain, $1 million.

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    Then lay off the (4.40 / 5) (#2)
    by cib on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 06:33:04 PM EST
    "Mayor of only a small town with 9000 people in it" shtick.

    Some community organizers do good work, some don't. I don't see a useful argument as to whether they are more or less qualified to be President than a large-town Mayor (in some places 10000 enables you to get a charter to incorporate to be a city) but the Democrats decided they were going to to try to compare their Presidential candidate to the Republicans Vice Presidential one, and managed to be all snarky and dismissive about it.

    Personally, I think some of our best qualified citizens to be President aren't in any of the major parties and don't deal with our current dirty political establishment at all.

    No (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by JAB on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:01:25 PM EST
    Everyone understood the reference was to one specific community organizer.  Only those who are being deliberately obtuse or trying to help Obama recover from what was a clever smackdown, would insist that she referred to ALL community organizers.

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    I've seen a multitude of (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:13:11 PM EST
    comments here at Talk Left inquiring as to the specifics of Obama's community organizing career.  

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    It's a profession? (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:15:19 PM EST
    Well, maybe for some. Not so much for Obama, apparently.

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    I do know (5.00 / 4) (#44)
    by demchick on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:20:44 PM EST
    people who do it for a living. Not a good living, mind you, but one they are proud of. Obama does not and did not fall into that catagory. That is why the Obama campaign needs to drop this and drop it now.

    They got caught flat footed with this nomination and they need to regroup. they are making rookie mistakes.

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    Also, Palin (none / 0) (#57)
    by nalo on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:33:40 PM EST
    has more executive experience than McCain, Obama, and Biden!  Put her at the top of the ticket, Rudy told me so!

    If you look at it closer, Wasilla was a small town of 5,000, 45 minutes away from Anchorage that was slowly becoming suburbanized.  It used to be a sleeps town in which mayoral elections were on local issues.  As the exurban population became more conservative Palin ran a divisive campaign based entirely on a wedge issue then fired 2 workers who wouldn't sign a loyalty pledge.  In her 2 terms she left the town $20m in debt.  She spent money on lobbyists and got earmarks from the federal government.  After she was term limited, Palin wouldn't endorse her pro-choice step mother-in-law.

    Her record as an executive is very weak.

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    Well, again, to be fair, (none / 0) (#71)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:45:30 PM EST
    the only "worker" fired was the chief of police - and not because he wouldn't sign a loyalty oath to her, but because he did sign a loyalty oath to the ex-mayor Palin who defeated in a fairly bitter contest.

    Had the top cop in any other town done such a stoopid thing, I'm pretty sure his/her head would have been on the chopping block as well...

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    Community organizers (none / 0) (#97)
    by MichaelGale on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 08:33:30 PM EST
    do just that, they organize people for a particular  outcome.  Obama was community organizer for organizing people to get out the vote. While getting out the vote is admirable, it is a good place to start in politics.

    It's all politics, just like Palin.

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    Wasn't he? (none / 0) (#63)
    by Steve M on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:37:23 PM EST
    I seem to recall a brief speech in Denver from the guy who first hired him as a community organizer.  You were allegedly there, maybe you remember.

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    It's not that her town was small (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by MyLeftMind on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:05:11 PM EST
    it's what Palin did as mayor.  She tried to censure books from the public library, then tried to fire the librarian for refusing to cooperate.  She doesn't want our schools to teach the full spectrum of birth control.  We need someone who can sit across the table from negotiators of the dangerous countries of this world, not someone who is obsessed with restricting access to information.

    Palin is small minded.


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    Actually, (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:13:12 PM EST
    she almost fired the librarian, who, according to the city charter, "serves at the pleasure of the mayor," because the librarian chose to get involved in Wasilla politics by signing an oath of loyalty to the ex-mayor Palin ended up defeating in a pretty bitter election.

    Note the fact that Palin kept the librarian on.

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    yes (none / 0) (#42)
    by txpublicdefender on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:19:50 PM EST
    She kept the librarian on because the citizens threatened to recall her if she fired her.

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    Ha. (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:28:39 PM EST
    She rescinded her decision to fire the librarian the very next day.

    There was, however, at some point a failed recall effort by the ousted incumbent mayor, if that's what you're talking about.

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    Ha, that's nice of her. (none / 0) (#45)
    by MyLeftMind on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:22:08 PM EST
    Do you think the possibility of a lawsuit or a recall of Mayor Palin might have affected the outcome Palin's attempt to fire her?

    Censuring information is small minded.  Using your position to manipulate what information the public has access to is dangerous.  There's no place for that kind of mentality in the White House.

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    Dunno. (none / 0) (#53)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:31:10 PM EST
    She kept the police chief fired despite the ousted mayor's recall effort and the fired police chief's lawsuit, both of with failed.

    fwiw, according the city charter, both the police chief and the librarian, among others, "serve at the pleasure of the mayor."

    Not sure a lawsuit would be much of a threat...

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    Do you have a link? (none / 0) (#50)
    by JAB on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:28:55 PM EST
    My sister the librarian was talking about this yesterday.

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    Not sure exactly what aspect of my comment (none / 0) (#64)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:38:01 PM EST
    you are looking for a link to, but here's a general one:
    City librarian Mary Ellen Emmons will stay, but Police Chief Irl Stambaugh is on his own, Wasilla Mayor Sarah Palin announced Friday. The decision came one day after letters signed by Palin were dropped on [chief of police] Stambaugh's and [city librarian] Emmon's desks, telling them their jobs were over as of Feb. 13.[...] While both Stambaugh and Emmons serve at the mayor's pleasure, Stambaugh said he has a contract that prohibits the city from firing him without cause.
    =

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    Thanks! (none / 0) (#72)
    by JAB on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:47:24 PM EST
    Here you go (none / 0) (#67)
    by nalo on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:39:54 PM EST
    Alaska Daily News:

    Back in 1996, when she first became mayor, Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so.

    According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. The censorship issue was not mentioned as a reason for the firing. The letter just said the new mayor felt Emmons didn't fully support her and had to go

    Emmons had been city librarian for seven years and was well liked. After a wave of public support for her, Palin relented and let Emmons keep her job.



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    Well, I guess there are somewhat (none / 0) (#73)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:47:59 PM EST
    conficting accounts of that detail:
    Palin said Friday she now feels Emmons supports her but does not feel the same about Stambaugh. As to what prompted the change, Palin said she now has Emmons' assurance that she is behind her.


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    There you go, (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:50:56 PM EST
    perhaps this is the reall reason for the rift:
    Palin said she asked Emmons if she would support efforts to merge the library and museum operations. Emmons said she would, according to Palin.
    I'm pretty sure the librarian initially resisted merging the two operations.

    iirc, the town was at that time in the middle of a budget crisis and merging the two operations was a cost-saving measure, as was the mayoral salary cut Palin gave herself.

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    Fair enough (2.00 / 1) (#5)
    by cib on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 06:39:43 PM EST
    You might be right. I didn't watch every speech last night and have only seen half of Palins.

    That being said, the dismissal of small towns is more my opinion of what I've seen in the Democratic blogosphere than what I've seen from most democratic politicians.

    Depending on how its done community organizers can do good work. I know that, and if I see  a Repub say differently, I'll let em know it.

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    'Small town' was a recurring theme (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by nalo on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 06:55:37 PM EST
    Scripted in the convention talking points.

    The Republicans simply 'played the refs' browbeating the media which I perceive as a whine.  Sarah Palin is a hypocrite. She couldn't even last 2 days and still after a week has only given scripted speeches and an interview with People magazine, and had a private meeting with AIPAC.  Has she even been on Fox or a right wing station?

    But the Republicans blew it, when the started bashing all community organizers.  Did they realize that Joe Biden's from Scranton before putting that into the speech.

    The Obama campaign's moved on and are totally ignoring the Media obsession with Palin and discussing economic issues in actual small towns.

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    Why? (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 10:23:47 PM EST
    Are community organizers a huge voting bloc all by themselves? I don't think bashing them makes any difference other than upsetting the sensiblilities of some Obama supporters.

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    True Majority's response to the insult on (3.00 / 0) (#36)
    by MyLeftMind on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:16:29 PM EST
    community organizers:

    Just consider community organizer Chrystal Hutchison from our Florida affiliate. Chrystal grew up as the middle child of two blue-collar parents; her older brother is a Marine and her younger brother is a firefighter. After living in Florida her whole life, she now organizes communities for the Florida Consumer Action Network just a few towns away from where she grew up.

    Last fall, Chrystal was working with community members to protect health care for children when she met a little girl named Bethany Wilkerson, whose life had been saved by heart surgery paid for with the government program George Bush wanted to cut. She took Bethany's story to the press, introduced her to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and although she's only 26, Chrystal was a key leader in the successful fight to save the kids' health care program.

    Governor Palin just doesn't get that community organizers like Chrystal have led the fight and taken responsibility for fixing the upside-down priorities of right wing dominance in Washington for the last eight years.



    Agree (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by nell on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:33:38 PM EST
    Community organizers do important work for their communities.

    Small town mayors do important work for their communities.

    Barack Obama is no longer a community organizer, or a state legislator, he is a US Senator.

    Sarah Palin is no longer a city council member, or small town mayor, she is a Governor.

    Obama mocked her for being nothing more than a small town mayor, implying that small town mayors do no significant work for their communities, so she kicked him right back by deriding the community organizing experience he always talks about as a qualification. Its POLITICS.

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    that is ridiculous (none / 0) (#81)
    by txpublicdefender on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:56:56 PM EST
    Obama never said that, as a small-town mayor, she did not do significant work for her community.  He said that having been the mayor of a small town and then the governor for 1 1/2 years was insufficient experience to be Vice President.

    There is a huge difference between saying that being a small-town mayor meant nothing and saying that it, along with her short gubernatorial experience, didn't add up to sufficient experience for such a high national office.

    What she said, no matter what she prefaced it with, was that a community organizer had no actual responsibility.  

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    He did? (none / 0) (#85)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 08:04:22 PM EST
    Could you point me to the quote where he said that?

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    The state Community Action Networks (none / 0) (#106)
    by shoephone on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 01:53:29 AM EST
    have done exemplary work, especially on the health care issues. In my state, Washington Community Action Network (WashCAN) has been a leader on health care and wage issues, lobbying the legislature and winning the fight.

    Puget Sound SAGE is the leader on succesfully negotiating community benefits agreements in the Northwest.

    It seems that most of the commenters here have absolutely no clue what community organizers do. You're a lot like Sarah Palin in that regard. Instead of making uniformed comments, educate yourselves about what the grassroots community groups are doing to better the lives of citizens around this country.

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    Hey TChris (none / 0) (#1)
    by nalo on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 06:31:00 PM EST
    Wanted to mention that I loved your Convention recaps last night.  Hilarious stuff.

    Not good to CONFLATE whites and conservatives (none / 0) (#10)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 06:47:51 PM EST
    It's a trap whereby you insult two demographics in one fell swoop: potentially all whites and all conservatives. That's a LOT of people.

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    You missed the word "crowd" (2.00 / 0) (#12)
    by TChris on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 06:51:09 PM EST
    referring to the white conservative crowd of delegates at the convention. And "might be" a code word makes it clear that I don't think they all view it as a code word -- although Rudy got a loud burst of laughter when he uttered the words with a contemptuous sneer.

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    I am not a fan (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by Steve M on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 06:58:04 PM EST
    of the "code word" argument, not because I am incapable of hearing a dog whistle in there, but because Obama has emphasized the exact same aspect of his biography.

    When the Obama campaign repeatedly boasts about the fact that after law school, he chose to do community organizing on the South Side of Chicago, it's not very reasonable to say that when Republicans use the exact same words, it somehow becomes a coded reference to working with black people.  If you think "South Side" makes people think of black folks, as maybe it does, and if you think that's politically harmful, as I guess maybe it is, then I don't get why the Obama campaign keeps going around saying "South Side" over and over.

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    I thought he was an organizer before (none / 0) (#19)
    by nycstray on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:01:05 PM EST
    law school?

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    Well (none / 0) (#24)
    by Steve M on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:05:53 PM EST
    perhaps I've heard the script so many times that my mind is numb to it, but I always thought the deal was like "he could have gone to Wall Street with that law degree, but instead he chose to work with displaced steel workers on the South Side."  Now, I could be wrong.

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    Check the website, I guess. (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:14:26 PM EST
    Actually, he did work on Wall St. for awhile, not that we hear too much about that.

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    By the way (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by Steve M on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:36:26 PM EST
    since I work on Wall Street, I resent the implied insult from the Obama campaign, etc., etc... :)

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    Hmm. I thought you resembled that. (none / 0) (#102)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 09:44:20 PM EST
    Foxhole (none / 0) (#91)
    by Rover1 on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 08:09:49 PM EST
    Not implying that Obama is Jesus. Perhaps just pointing out that there is some humor happening on other blogs. Lighten up.

    To go along with all the other isms.

    There's a difference. (none / 0) (#114)
    by TChris on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 12:09:33 PM EST
    Being smart and well educated is not the same as being an elitist, although a heckuva lot of Republicans seem to think so.

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    Huh? (none / 0) (#117)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:20:32 PM EST
    I think you might have misread my comment.

    I'm saying Repack's comment is elitist.

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    Sorry, my bad (none / 0) (#118)
    by TChris on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:38:34 PM EST
    No worries. (none / 0) (#119)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:39:56 PM EST
    The Irony of the Republicans (none / 0) (#111)
    by daring grace on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:43:52 AM EST
    both knocking community organizers and promoting themselves as change agent/outsiders in Washington is that the job of community organizers is to enact change often against the entrenched interests of elected officials.

    Not surprising a Mayor Palin might feel hostility toward or lack comprehension of community organizers: they're usually, at least to some degree, the bane of mayors and city governing systems everywhere.  

    The relationship (none / 0) (#115)
    by TChris on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 12:12:38 PM EST
    between Obama's work as a community organizer in the mid-1980's and the murder rate in Chicago this summer escapes me.