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Mike Barnicle On "Journalism" And "Blogging"

Via Yglesias and one of his commenters:

BARNICLE: [S]omeone ought to tell Governor Palin that there’s a distinction between blogging and what she refers to as journalism. Blogging . . . I would say 95%; maybe 99% of blogging is basically therapy for the blogger.

True enough. At least it is not this:

Boston Globe columnist Mike Barnicle resigned from the newspaper Wednesday amid new allegations that he fabricated material for one of his columns published nearly three years ago. The resignation comes less than a week after the Globe underwent what the newspaper's editor termed a "painful" ordeal with Barnicle over an August 2, 1998 column that contained material from a book by George Carlin. The columnist was suspended, then asked for his resignation, then suspended for two months without pay . . .

Way to hold up the honor and dignity of journalism there Mike. Of course Barnicle is also a stone cold sexist to boot.

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    heh (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by andgarden on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 08:37:06 PM EST


    What A Pig (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by squeaky on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 08:38:09 PM EST
    And obvious liar as well. Doesn't make the Boston Globe look any better either.

    I Feel Better Already (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by squeaky on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 08:39:09 PM EST
    He's a Barnicle (5.00 / 4) (#5)
    by Radiowalla on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 09:32:33 PM EST
    on the butt of MSNBC.  He and Matthews are like pair of 5th grade bullies who gang up on the girls and then go for a smoke in the lavatory.

    Let's be clear here (5.00 / 0) (#6)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 09:41:25 PM EST
    Barnicle has never claimed to be and never called himself a "journalist."  He was a very colorful columnist for the Boston Globe for many years, writing a lot of human interest type stuff while agitating for fair treatment for folks who'd been ill-treated by the establishment.  His was for years the most outspoken left-oriented voice in Boston media.

    For the Boston Globe honchos to claim to have been shocked, shocked to discover such a columnist might have embellished a colorful story, gotten key details wrong because he didn't actually report on them and the like, is frankly pretty ridiculous.

    Just to fill in the background, the column in question, if I remember rightly, was a heart-warming tale about two kids in the hospital, the teary denouement of which turned out to have happened not to these two kids but some other kid he'd heard about.  Both incidents were, I believe, quite a few years in the past, and Barnicle claimed, not unreasonably, that he had the details of the two stories mixed around in his memory.  Again, this was nothing he'd ever reported out, just a tale he was told somewhere in his daily schmoozing around town.

    The hoo-rah over Barnicle came only a few months after the paper had had to fire another columnist, a young black woman, who'd been discovered to be regularly making whole stories up out of whole cloth.  Since Barnicle, a middle-aged white guy, had been discovered to have done something vaguely similar,  although on a far, far tinier scale, the Globe felt it had to come down very hard on him for what were, at best, extremely minor transgressions for the kind of stuff they paid him to do (and promoted heavily).

    The business with the George Carlin quotes was along similar lines, and I'm sure rigorous fact-checking of any old-fashioned metro columnist of that sort would turn up lots of it.

    You ought also to know that Barnicle had been a very irritating thorn in the side of the establishment in Boston politics and business for a very long time, and there's no question that that fact played heavily into the treatment he got.

    I wouldn't ever excuse his rank sexism and really grotesque and over-the-top CDS, but in my opinion, and that of a lot of folks in Boston, he got very unfairly screwed by the Globe, and by the "plagiarist" label that's followed him around ever since.

    I don't get MSNBC anymore because FIOS (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by cpa1 on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 10:02:01 PM EST
    is allegedly not allowed to carry it in the Long Island area because of an exclusive with Calevision.  At least that is what FIOS says.  I have a feeling the exclusinve is over and now they are at a stalemate over price.

    Barnicle was a f___ pig on the Imus and Hardball shows.  He became the host he was talking to, be it Imus or Matthews, the same way he became Carlin.  There is no there there, just arrogance and the appearance of there.  He called Clinon a scumbag or something like that but I never heard him get on Bush and Cheney with such a horrible slur.

    He is arrogant and ill informed and when he gets a chance to rail against the MAN in a public interest story he can do it or make it up.  However, I don't believe I've learned a thing from Barnicle in all the years I've seen him, before FIOS that is.

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    ditto (none / 0) (#12)
    by Blowback on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 10:23:46 PM EST
    Sounded like he was claiming to be a jounralist (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 09:45:36 PM EST
    this morning.

    Oh BTW, there is a reason he was fired from the Globe.

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    Can't stand the misogynistic (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by Jjc2008 on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 09:50:29 PM EST
    jerk.  His diatribes, accompanied by sneers, against the Clintons, and sometimes just Hillary, showed up early on.  He's a Matthews wannabbee (and not in a good way).  Suddenly the plagiarist needs to tell us the world that bloggers are beneath him.  What a pathetic loser.

    Great minds.... (none / 0) (#10)
    by cpa1 on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 10:02:58 PM EST
    What about his argument? (5.00 / 0) (#19)
    by OldCity on Thu Jan 15, 2009 at 07:46:27 AM EST
    You might dislike the guy...I don't have an opinion on him, never having been a listner to Imus, who I though was a buffoon and rarely a watcher of MSNBC.  

    His point was, if I read correctly, that bloggers don't have the same accountabilities as journalists and that most post to vent and to voice their own opinions.

    I am not, none of the posters on this site are edited professionally or fact checked, save by the community, here.  That's a far cry from journalism.  Further, posting here IS therapeutic, to an extent.  Without question, many people come here and post because they want validation that they're not alone in holding their opinions.  (I also come here because I'm capable of being persuaded that some of my positions aren't clearly thought out, and there are intelligent people here making good points...)

    There is a difference between a commentator and a journalist.  Commentators are wrong all the time, witness Ann Coulter or Buchanan.  Their job is to advance a point of view.  Now, it helps to always be accurate in that role, but never has it been deemed essential.  As fo his plagarism, the poster above got it right on the history...he was kind of screwed.

    I read all of the posters referencing Imus.  Last I checked, the guy was sort of an unbridled misogynist, and his show reflected that sensibility.  Many people have justified their appearances on the Imus show by saying that ,"...it's only humor, nothing more and not a reflection...", yada, yada.  My point is, if you're going to call Barnicle a sexist and a pig, what were you doing listening to a guy who traffics in that sort of stuff all the time?

    I say that the commentators here (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 15, 2009 at 09:00:24 AM EST
    and many other blogs, including those who post, have their statements checked and challenged regularly. Even better, errors can be pointed out far easier than any error committed by employees of major newspapers.

    Indeed, where bloggers get into trouble is when the main stream media picks up errors by bloggers...see Palin particularly...and bloggers allow them to run with them without a firestorm of protests.

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    You can say it all you want, (none / 0) (#23)
    by OldCity on Thu Jan 15, 2009 at 10:02:52 AM EST
    but the difference is substantial.  Journalists are held professionally accountable.  A poster here might be ridiculed, but they aren't jeopardizing their livelihood.  

    I don't argue for ideological journalism.  I want factual reporting, and I'll draw muy own conclusions and formulate my own opinions.

    The whole concept of "citizen journalist" is problematic.  Like or not, some formalized structure should exist, some rigid definition of who is what.      

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    Accountable? (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jan 15, 2009 at 11:28:47 AM EST
    Barnicle is being held accountable how? That is my point. If he was held accountable he would never work in the Media again.

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    I don't think you're speaking to his point. (none / 0) (#26)
    by OldCity on Thu Jan 15, 2009 at 12:48:57 PM EST
    ...which isn't specific to him.  I get it, you don't like the guy.  I assme, too, that you hold the lefty folks, who I generally like, btw, to a similar standard when they twist things to advance their agendas.  He is, like it or not, a commentator.  He isn't a journalist in the strict sense, I think that's obvious.  He is though, qualified to tell Palin that there is a difference between bloggers and journalists.

    He's right about that.

    I think we often get so caught up in either personal or professional disdain that we ignore the fact that the object of that disdain might occasionally have something relevant to offer.  Taking that on face value isn't a wholesale endorsement of the person, but merely an acknowledgment that they've made a valid statement.      

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    Have you read me before? (none / 0) (#27)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jan 15, 2009 at 07:20:31 PM EST
    sure have... (none / 0) (#29)
    by OldCity on Fri Jan 16, 2009 at 09:27:20 AM EST
    sometimes unnecessarily abrasive.  Usually pretty on point, but I think you missed it here.

    What Barnicle said about bloging versus journalism was reasonable.  A chef could have said the same thing, and it still would have been reasonable.

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    One has to wonder (none / 0) (#4)
    by weltec2 on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 09:21:38 PM EST
    what their editorial staff is doing besides checking grammar and spelling. Perhaps they should be reclassified as proof readers.

    this guy has alway made me (none / 0) (#11)
    by Blowback on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 10:22:50 PM EST
    puke. Even when he went on Imus in the days when I listened to (and liked) Imus.

    and yet, after all is said (none / 0) (#14)
    by cpinva on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 11:13:19 PM EST
    and done, he's still working, still being taken seriously, still making a nice fat paycheck.

    where do i sign up to be a member of the "village"?

    Go directly over to NBC nt (none / 0) (#15)
    by Radiowalla on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 11:19:59 PM EST
    Read something recently (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 15, 2009 at 12:00:28 AM EST
    distinguishing between a "writer" and a "glogger."  Now if Barnicle stuck to blogging, he could just put all those nifty links in.  Problem solved.

    They do have quotation marks (none / 0) (#18)
    by weltec2 on Thu Jan 15, 2009 at 12:21:54 AM EST
    on their keyboards though. There was also the fact that he massaged facts.

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    Barnacle is a commentator. (none / 0) (#17)
    by AX10 on Thu Jan 15, 2009 at 12:20:07 AM EST
    Anyone who has seen his "performances" would know that.  Just go on youtube and take a look.

    NBC & Scarborough give Barnicle a (none / 0) (#20)
    by wurman on Thu Jan 15, 2009 at 08:10:59 AM EST
    lectern from which he's paid to pontificate.

    Crooks & Liars, FactCheck, Media Matters, PolitiFact etc., exist because of these fantasy island refugees & their fabricated views of the world.

    Mostly, they aren't worth the bother.  It's amazing that pseudo-journalists of such low skill levels, limited intellect, & ridiculous prejudices can gain access to cable bandwidth.  The "show" pretends to offer a news format when, in fact, it's a sham, almost a parody of what an informational discussion round table would look like.

    The "show" fakes what used to be Meet the Press, in the 50s, where a person of some note or reputation or interest faced a panel of journalists.  It could be easy enough to replace the person & focus on a news article or concept as the topic of discussion by the panel.  However, with such incompetent "panelists," Morning Joe fails, miserably.

    Hahaha (none / 0) (#24)
    by Faust on Thu Jan 15, 2009 at 10:30:31 AM EST
    Beauty!

    Unarguably Different (none / 0) (#30)
    by steveaustin on Thu Aug 20, 2015 at 01:08:32 PM EST
    Old City is dead on. Barnicle is correct is the narcissistic nature of blogging. Anyone with a computer and an internet connection can throw out opinions and disguise them as fact.