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    The entire country of India is 12 and (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 10:15:15 AM EST
    one-half hours ahead of Pacific Standard Time.  It is 9:43 p.m. Saturday here (I think!) Got my hands on my very first copy of the Int. Herald Trib. today.  Yeah.  

    P.S.  According to the Times of India, pols are pols here also.  

    Have you charmed any snakes? (none / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:28:26 AM EST
    No, and there apparently weren't any (none / 0) (#90)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 09:55:35 AM EST
    snake charmers at the famous temple in Delhi either, although we have seen guys with baskets, snakes, and pipes outside tourist hotels.  

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    Just a few weeks ago, Mumbai area (none / 0) (#51)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 01:07:35 PM EST
    where my spouse was, it was 11-1/2 hours ahead.  Time change since then?  It is a big country. . . .

    I bet you're enjoying your encounters as much as he did -- with the people and with the camels, the elephants, the monkeys, and more.  And, of course, the food!

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    See. this is the problem with tourist (none / 0) (#89)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 09:54:20 AM EST
    guides.  They just make stuff up.  My travel medicine physician sd. don't go near dogs, monkeys et al.  I am not but my animal loving friends are.  

    P.S.  As a native of SE Iowa, I'm not the best candidate for continuously eating really spicy food.  But, I'm enjoying the "mild" spice dishes I order.  

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    Aha. I know that's so in Mexico (none / 0) (#91)
    by Cream City on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 11:58:18 AM EST
    where tour guides to ruins gave such contradictory information over a couple of years that I finally got some good books on Mayan history -- and I don't know why they had the need to embellish, as the reality was riveting.

    Btw, spouse is from southern Indiana, but that just made him adventurous, it seems.  Still, even he pretty much stayed with "mild" on his plate as well.  I so hope you are enjoying it all as much as he did, despite the animal detritus around you.:-)

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    Astrology? (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by SOS on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:09:14 AM EST
    Okay. Until Feb 16 we are in Mercury Retrograde.

    Mercury retrograde gives rise to personal misunderstandings; flawed, disrupted, or delayed communications, negotiations and trade; glitches and breakdowns with phones, computers, cars, buses, and trains. And all of these problems usually arise because some crucial piece of information, or component, has gone astray or awry.

    It is therefore not wise to make important decisions while Mercury is retrograde, since it is very likely that these decisions will be clouded by misinformation, poor communication and careless thinking. Mercury is all about mental clarity and the power of the mind, so when Mercury is retrograde these intellectual characteristics tend to be less acute than usual, as the critical faculties are dimmed. Make sure you pay attention to the small print!

    Roberts blowing the (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by SOS on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:11:34 AM EST
    Oath is a perfect example of the influence.

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    Not to mention Pixen, the actor who (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:17:33 AM EST
    bowed out of the David Mamet play due to elevated Mercury count.

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    Pixen? (none / 0) (#70)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 02:54:23 PM EST
    You mean Jeremy Piven? :)

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    Close, eh? (none / 0) (#88)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 09:48:47 AM EST
    Well, there goes (none / 0) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:27:25 AM EST
    the stimulus package agreement.

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    I wondered (none / 0) (#21)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:34:49 AM EST
    what's been going on. M retro is excruciating for those of us with heavy Mercury influence in our charts.  Can't seem to get anything useful accomplished.

    And you're so right, Roberts and the oath is a perfect example.  No rhyme or reason for it, stuff just gets jumbled like that.

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    Aha, so this is why (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by BackFromOhio on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:42:27 AM EST
    I can't get my paper done; taking me forever to write the number of pages and thoughts I would have written in law practice in 2 hours.

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    Kind of like (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by SOS on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 01:01:26 PM EST
    trying to comb your hair in a wind storm.

    Revisions which occur during a Mercury retrograde, are a "course correction" and provide a stop gap measure until we can review situations. During this time of revision, change is compounded and confusion is created by our reactions to the ever-changing situations. Thus anything started during this time will ultimately be taken back or even revised further, making for a high-frustration time.

    Best to wait until the changes stop before attempting to make things orderly. Therefore, just let the winds of situations blow around you without reacting.

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    Bingo (none / 0) (#76)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 04:03:54 PM EST
    Exactly right.  There's a reason it's so hard to get anything done-- you shouldn't.  Stall, as Mercury is doing.

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    Update (none / 0) (#64)
    by SOS on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 02:04:23 PM EST
    Mercury goes "Direct" on Feb 1.

    Once Mercury turns direct, take a look at the information that is still around at that time and go about putting everything in order, while maintaining the fine art of flexibility.

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    But If YOu Were Born (none / 0) (#65)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 02:07:58 PM EST
    With Mercury in retrograde, isn't it the best time to do deals.

    I usually do better during the windows when Mercury is in retrograde.

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    On a sad note (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by ap in avl on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:18:59 AM EST
    NC State basketball coach Kay Yow died this morning.  She was an inspiration for many and her reach extended far beyond the women's basketball community.  She will be missed.

    R.I.P. (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Steve M on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:55:37 AM EST
    She was a brave lady.

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    Obama pulls his first tigger. (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:11:22 PM EST
    Page last updated at 20:04 GMT, Friday, 23 January 2009

    Two missile attacks from suspected US drones have killed 14 people in north-western Pakistan, officials say.

    At least one missile hit a house in a village near the town of Mirali in North Waziristan, a stronghold of al-Qaeda and Taleban militants.

    A second suspected drone attack has been reported in South Waziristan, killing five people.

    Pakistan has long argued that such strikes are counter-productive and are a violation of its sovereignty.

    These are the first drone attacks since Barack Obama was inaugurated as US president on Tuesday



    From the inaugural speech (none / 0) (#34)
    by lentinel on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:24:05 PM EST
    Obama condemned those who advance "their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents..."

    I hope he takes a look in the mirror.

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    I suppose you wish (none / 0) (#60)
    by Joelarama on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 01:34:08 PM EST
    Obama would stand down and not act against Al Qaeda, when he has intelligence on the location of their fighters?

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    Clumsy (none / 0) (#83)
    by lentinel on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 05:31:53 PM EST
    Supposing a terrorist were known to be hiding somewhere in Brooklyn.

    Would you endorse sending a pilotless drone aircraft in to drop bombs in the general vicinity of his/her reported whereabouts?

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    Very well said... (none / 0) (#93)
    by kdog on Mon Jan 26, 2009 at 10:05:43 AM EST
    Sloppy, bloody bombings by drones is no way to win the fight against violent extremism..in fact I'd call those tactics violent extremism.

    A recruiting boon for AQ in Pakistan I'm sure...nice job Obama!  

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    It's gotta be a helluva thrill (none / 0) (#40)
    by tokin librul on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:34:29 PM EST
    to order guys in Nevada to fire missiles from unmanned combat drones at wedding parties half-a-world away...

    He wasted no time in getting his hands bloodied, innit?

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    President Kucinich (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Fabian on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:42:54 PM EST
    could be Pacifist in Chief.

    No one else has even attempted to walk that path.

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    Too bad... (none / 0) (#94)
    by kdog on Mon Jan 26, 2009 at 10:07:16 AM EST
    we all fell in love with the warmongers Obama and Clinton...and forget to vote for Dennis in the primaries.

    The bloods on our hands too...we pay for it and we vote for it.  And we reap what we sow.

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    Question: has anyone ever (none / 0) (#2)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 10:17:57 AM EST
    tried to start a psychic reading franchise? I mean, aside from TV psychics and the Dionne Warwick stuff.

    Seems to me like it could be pretty lucrative.

    I was a gypsy fortune teller once. . . (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by LarryInNYC on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 10:52:38 AM EST
    at the party of the daughter of a friend.  Does that count.

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    Link? (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:08:15 AM EST
    Not sure about a psychic (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by CoralGables on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:06:40 AM EST
    reading franchise but definitely something to consider. I was contemplating a start up for a "Whine of the Day Club" phone subscription service at 1-900-MO WHINE for those folks that are in need of fresh material. Perfect for that special someone that has spent the better part of their life living in a whinery but now find themselves lacking in daily material due to a potential bad harvest with Bush gone.

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    Hmmmm. Law school getting to you? (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 10:30:53 AM EST
    According to one of our guides, an arranged marriage in India involves lots of consultation of astrologers--to set the engagement and wedding dates, after intense analysis of the intricacies of the astrological signs of each of the prospective couple to make sure they are a good match.  

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    hehe, no (none / 0) (#4)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 10:34:04 AM EST
    it's just a random question that occurred to me.

    Glad to hear you're enjoying India.

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    HA - this was in today's Detroit News (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by jbindc on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 10:52:52 AM EST
    Link

    But you need to focus on love AND employment issues.

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    Very much. Not what I expected, which (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 10:35:32 AM EST
    makes everything even more interesting.

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    Los Angeles Times re (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:22:11 AM EST
    reaction in Mumbai to Friday's premeir of Slumdog Millionaire.  Reviews should be interesting.

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    Given the divorce rate when there's (none / 0) (#22)
    by BackFromOhio on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:40:11 AM EST
    no astrology involved, India may be on to something.

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    There's some truth to this (none / 0) (#53)
    by rghojai on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 01:13:26 PM EST
    I worked for a company w. an office in Bangalore, got to be good friends w. a colleague there, talked a lot via skype, e-mail. in talking about boy-meets-girl stuff, she related the astrological imperatives. it was the most normal thing in the world to her and she said it was very common there. it came across like she wouldn't marry someone if the stars weren't aligned just like we (or at least most of us), wouldn't consider something serious with someone if we came to learn they were dealing meth. total deal-breaker.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#54)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 01:17:00 PM EST
    Oddly there is a very low divorce rate (2%). I remember reading a story about a 20 something Indian woman living in the US whose parents sent for her because they arranged a marriage for her.

    She had gotten past all that stuff and was involved with feminism and politics. After a few months she decided to give the arranged marriage a go. The guy was older chubby and bald. Not remotely attractive to her. With in two weeks of the marriage she was hopelessly in love.

    A lot of thought goes into these arrangements. THey have a high success rate.

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    in India. They don't see the marriages where the women are miserable but dare not get a divorce because they have nowhere to go - their parents won't have them back, they are economically dependent on their husbands and without the marriage they may as well be on the streets. Or couples that stay together, especially if they have daughters to get married, because if the girl has divorced parents, the chances of her getting a good match are next to nil. Also since divorce is such a bad thing there, there are a lot of separations without the final divorce, or without even calling it a separation (I personally know three women in my family who are separated for all intents and purposes but not divorced. The couple may come together when the kids get married and provide the semblance of a happy couple).

    Two percent divorce rate - but a huge percentage of unhappy marriages and marriages where the wives lead a miserable existence.

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    OK (none / 0) (#68)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 02:28:18 PM EST
    So are you saying that our system makes for happier people, or that the US has happier people in general compared to India?

    My point is more about being surprised that arranged marriages have something to be said for them. I think there are many benefits and am open to the notion that it may produce a larger percentage long term "happy marriages" than not, due to well researched compatibility data.

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    I'm not saying one (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by starsandstripes on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 03:57:07 PM EST
    is better than the other, but it is misleading when people look to the lower divorce rate when deciding whether arranged marriages are a better system of getting married.

    As for compatibility checks - what's checked is the suitor's family and astrology. Most times, financial well-being. Oh and if you're a man looking for a potential wife - how fair she is. Though the richer girls can be picky about their future husband's looks too. Other than that no one really cares whether the couple themselves are compatible. It's changing these days where the more modern couples insist on having a few dates before getting hitched, but we're talking about the urban areas.

    When looking at the benefits of an arranged marriage, you need to look at the social fabric and the different role of family in India - and not just at the marriage of the couple alone. Marriage in India is still largely the girl leaving her family and becoming part of her husband's. (I still hear my mother-in-law say that and it's a weird concept to me). So compatibility is really about how well is the man's family going to treat their daughter - as she's probably going to be spending most of her time with his family than she is with him. Is that kind of "researched compatibility data" going to work in the American context - I don't think so.

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    Different COncept (none / 0) (#77)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 04:24:38 PM EST
    Seems that when you have a homogeneous group, be it in India, or in the US, the likelihood of arranged marriages being functional is greater.

    Shared values, are key.

    Also it seems to me that the idea of marriage here in the US is overtly about love while covertly about a business arrangement. Breeding, social standing, business relationships between two powerful families.. etc. At least in India the business part is the point.

    My grandparents all had arranged marriages. It was never about love but about socially accepted duty on both parts. Everyone knew how to behave and divorce was not an option.

    A friend of mine's uncle also came from an arranged marriage.
    He was entirely devoted to his wife to the extent that the family was worried about what would happen to him when his wife died. Both were in their upper 80's and she was quite ill.

    Well she died and the guy disappeared. At first the family thought he was walking the streets of Manhattan in utter despair and would soon return home. After a couple of days the family called the police and put out an APB. The family was quite worried because he only spoke Russian, Yiddish and Hebrew and was very old.

    Nothing, no sign of him for three weeks. All of a sudden he appeared. When his wife died he went to the bank and withdrew several thousand dollars. He bought tickets to Israel, Russia, Paris Rome, and Berlin, places he had, unbeknownst to the rest of the family, always wanted to visit.

    It turned out that he despised his wife and was quite pleased that she passed away. But since he did not see marriage as a love relationship but rather a duty, he did his job and no one knew that it was an onus.  Being married was a job for him that he did well. He opened up in his last few years and was quite happy to be done with marriage.

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    As you said (none / 0) (#78)
    by starsandstripes on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 04:53:32 PM EST
    he did his job and no one knew that it was an onus.  Being married was a job for him that he did well.

    That's what marriage means to a lot of Indian couples. Now if you think that's what makes a good marriage - well yes, an arranged marriage may be the option. But don't be fooled that because one's good at one's job, one is happy with it or that the arranged marriage tradition, at least as it is currently practiced, necessarily finds the best fit for the job.

    And then marriage doesn't mean a job to a large section of the North American culture.

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    Agree (none / 0) (#79)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 05:00:56 PM EST
    And then marriage doesn't mean a job to a large section of the North American culture.

    But clearly that is where the idea comes from. It is all about breeding, contracts, and business. Seems to me that keeping that upfront is not a bad idea.

    I never understood why anyone would want to have a contract with the state for matters only involving love. Seems like that is something you do on the side.

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    The "contract" with the state (none / 0) (#92)
    by starsandstripes on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 01:40:08 PM EST
    is to ensure that the person you love gets to share in your benefits. It's not a business proposition - to me it's notice to the state that this is the person you want to share your benefits with. Of course, when it comes to divorce, the state then turns around and says that you have to continue sharing, even if you don't want to.

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    Dionne Warwick (none / 0) (#26)
    by mmc9431 on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:49:22 AM EST
    Didn't Dionne Warwick run into a lot of legal trouble with her psychic commercials on TV?

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    No idea (none / 0) (#28)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:56:50 AM EST
    But I remember that they were pretty prolific in the mid-90s.

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    Paterson (none / 0) (#6)
    by MTSINAIMAMA on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 10:36:41 AM EST
    After reading the front page story on how Paterson is now trashing Caroline Kennedy, my opinion of Paterson is sealed in cement: what a douche, and I'm sorry he's my Governor.

    JUst keep reminding yourself: (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 10:41:23 AM EST
    Comfort Inn.

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    Yeah, I don't understand why his office (none / 0) (#35)
    by tigercourse on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:25:05 PM EST
    came out and bad mouthed her after she had withdrawn. He didn't handle this whole thing the right way.

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    I was never in favor of appointing Kennedy. (none / 0) (#62)
    by Joelarama on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 01:35:36 PM EST
    But the way the governor's office has handled this is a disgrace.

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    Does anyone think Paterson (none / 0) (#47)
    by BackFromOhio on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:53:35 PM EST
    will be primaried?  

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    There's always talk about Cuomo (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by tigercourse on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 01:18:46 PM EST
    going after him in 2010. I doubt it. It would not look good to primary challenge our first black Governor. The only way Cuome will do it is if he's sure he'll win. For that condition to arise, Paterson's approval ratings will have to drop a whole bunch more. They aren't great right now, but they are still strong enough amongst Dems to make a challenge too dangerous.

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    Only time will tell (none / 0) (#86)
    by BackFromOhio on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 06:04:41 PM EST
    I guess.  Much depends on what Paterson is able to do about NY's financial woes, and how much blame is ascribed to him for not being able to pull off the impossible.

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    Gov't. contractor with ties to Murtha raided (none / 0) (#18)
    by jbindc on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:27:34 AM EST
    Link

    Federal agents on Thursday raided the offices of a Pennsylvania government contractor with close ties to Rep. John P. Murtha, chairman of the powerful Defense panel on the House Appropriations Committee.

    Agents from the FBI, IRS and Defense Criminal Investigative Service searched the offices of Kuchera Industries and Kuchera Defense Systems in three different locations in Pennsylvania.

    Over the last several years, Murtha, a Democrat from Pennsylvania, has helped steer more than $100 million in contracts to Kuchera, a government contractor founded in 1985 by Bill Kuchera. The company and its employees have donated more than $65,000 dollars to Murtha's reelection campaign and leadership political action committee, according to Federal Election Commission records.



    Ruh roh. (none / 0) (#20)
    by LarryInNYC on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:31:03 AM EST
    Murtha is the reason why (none / 0) (#23)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:42:25 AM EST
    Johnstown even still exists. Unless he's convicted and jailed, he won't lose his job.

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    Is this the Bush DOJ (none / 0) (#25)
    by BackFromOhio on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:45:56 AM EST
    continuing an old politically-motivated matter?
    $65k next to what some of the numbers we've seen for large defense contractors on no-bid contracts etc seems like monopoly $.

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    Good question (none / 0) (#29)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 11:57:41 AM EST
    Let's just say that Murtha and Don Young are generally considered to be birds of a feather.

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    And here we go again. I swear, Gravel (none / 0) (#32)
    by tigercourse on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:22:37 PM EST
    is going to be the only one who emerges unscathed.

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    Keepin' on (none / 0) (#31)
    by lentinel on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:17:14 PM EST
    Yesterday we killed three children in Pakistan.
    Today we killed 11 civilians in Afghanistan.

    KABUL, Afghanistan - The American coalition in Afghanistan opened a joint U.S.-Afghan investigation Saturday into an overnight raid that American commanders say killed 15 armed militants but that two Afghan officials say killed 11 civilians.

    Personally, the horror of the Bush years was his indifference to the slaughter of innocent civilians - especially children.
    I remember in the opening days of the "shock and awe" bombing of Baghdad, we maimed a child and killed his mother, father and siblings.
    I hated living with this every day.

    The fact that this horrible stupidity in continuing under the leadership of Mr. Obama negates every hope I had for an end to the Bush ethic.

    It usually takes me a week or so before I find that I can't bear to look at or listen to a new commander-in-chief. It only took two days in the case of Obama.

    My estimate (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Fabian on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:29:24 PM EST
    is a minimum of two years to get out of Afghanistan and Iraq if we start now.  

    That is 730(-X) days of continued violence to look forward to.

    Them's the facts.  Bush started this mess.  Obama can stop it, but it will take time.

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    What withdrawals there may be from Iraq (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by tokin librul on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:42:09 PM EST
    are all scheduled to redeploy to Afghanistan.

    The US cannot 'defeat' the Taliban on THEIR home ground. Increased US military involvement there will inevitably lead more USer casualties, which will lead to atrocities which will poison the local public against US far more deeply than any efforts at nation building (so-called) can repair.

    Did I say "it's inevitable?" Cuz it's inevitable!

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    Smart moves.... (none / 0) (#72)
    by Fabian on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 03:28:36 PM EST
    Redeploy to Afghanistan while starting a diplomatic offensive with Russia, Iraq and Pakistan.  Afghanistan should be left with a stable central government, a semblance of a judicial system and a competent military.  

    I don't have much hope for getting rid of the tribal warlords or the Taliban in the foreseeable future.  Neither of them have much reason to want a strong central government to encroach on their remote territories, even if it means better roads and more schools.  It will be a slow, tedious struggle to convince the petty tyrants to give up power for more resources and better access to the outside world.  I don't think that the Taliban should be allowed to take over the entire country either.  

    Pakistan needs to show some determination to deal with its own insurgents.  I think our "allies" owe us more than empty promises and demands for more money to fight terrorists.  Russia is rightfully the local superpower and should be expected to do some of the heavy lifting - economically and militarily.  

    The United States should be an international Leader, not Global Policeman.  

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    Right (1.00 / 2) (#42)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:37:11 PM EST
    The fact that this horrible stupidity in continuing under the leadership of Mr. Obama negates every hope I had for an end to the Bush ethic.

    It usually takes me a week or so before I find that I can't bear to look at or listen to a new commander-in-chief. It only took two days in the case of Obama.

    Sounds dishonest to me, considering that you have had only contempt for Obama since he took on Hillary in the primary.

    As horrible as this is it should come as no surprise either. Both leading Dem candidates campaigned on the promise that they were going to continue bombing in the border region between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    And if you actually believe that the Bush ethic has continued or is continuing you need medication.

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    Physician, heal thyself. (5.00 / 5) (#46)
    by ThatOneVoter on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:52:27 PM EST
    What a toxic comment.

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    Huh? (1.00 / 3) (#48)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 01:00:40 PM EST
    What on earth are you talking about? Is the truth toxic for you or do you think pulling out the fainting couch reflexively every time Obama does something and making believe that it is the last straw is remotely honest.

    But I guess ODS has a flock, and you are the muscle. lol

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    The truth is that seeing (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by ThatOneVoter on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 01:12:46 PM EST
    horror at deaths done by our government through your distorted lens, which interprets EVERY criticism of Obama as related to post primary depression, is stunningly small-minded of you.
    Will there be 4-8 years of this nonsense from you?


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    Drop It Pal (1.00 / 3) (#56)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 01:18:52 PM EST
    My point is clear. Stop twisting it into a ODS talking point.

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    Hmm.. you're the moderator now? (5.00 / 4) (#57)
    by ThatOneVoter on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 01:23:48 PM EST
    That's news to me. Stop insulting people, stop calling them liars, and MOVE ON.

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    WTF (1.00 / 3) (#59)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 01:30:44 PM EST
    Are you babbling about now. A

    Hmm.. you're the moderator now?

    Looks like you are the one with a moderator fantasies:

    Stop insulting people, stop calling them liars, and MOVE ON.

    If you want a kaffe klatch, aka fan club, you are at the wrong site.

    I am told that there are in fact places where you can act out your ODS unhampered. Here you are likely to get your BS ravings checked.


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    You are really unhinged (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by ThatOneVoter on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 01:35:19 PM EST
    Stop now.

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    Usually (1.00 / 1) (#66)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 02:13:29 PM EST
    Being unhinged, aka knickers in a twist, is exemplified by using caps and barking orders.

    Seems you are the one needing to calm down.

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    And Downrating Comments (none / 0) (#69)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 02:29:55 PM EST
    LOL, knock yourself out...

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    BTW, I am rather happy (none / 0) (#58)
    by ThatOneVoter on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 01:28:23 PM EST
    about Obama's first few days. I think he's doing great. I moved on from the primary wars aeons ago.


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    Later (none / 0) (#81)
    by lentinel on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 05:22:56 PM EST
    I agree that Obama's continuing Bush's policy of bombing inside Pakistan with the inevitable result of killing innocent children does not come as a surprise.

    But the reality of it is just sickening.

    One day you celebrate seeing the Bushes flying off into obscurity, and the next you see one of his most obnoxious and horrifying practices being continued as if he were still there.

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    Look, how many people died (none / 0) (#33)
    by ThatOneVoter on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:23:17 PM EST
    because of the Iraq war? 1 million?
    The drone strikes are peanuts compared to the specter of the Iraq war.

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    And... (none / 0) (#36)
    by lentinel on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:26:10 PM EST
    Your point is?

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    My point is that I'm going to judge (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by ThatOneVoter on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:32:09 PM EST
    him first on whether and when he draws down the war in Iraq. The drone attacks are a continuation of a policy which I believe dates to Clinton. Whether or not I approve, they are a far worse problem than the Iraq war, IMO.

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    Other way around, of course. (none / 0) (#41)
    by ThatOneVoter on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:35:01 PM EST
    The Iraq war is the worse problem.

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    Oh (none / 0) (#85)
    by lentinel on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 05:39:11 PM EST

    The fact that we have killed a million people in Iraq does not make it easier for me to numb myself to each killing in Pakistan - especially of children.

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    iokiyObama (none / 0) (#37)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:27:28 PM EST
    Really? (none / 0) (#50)
    by daring grace on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 01:03:06 PM EST
    That's funny.

    Reading through the repetitive comments the past two days about Pakistan I was thinking IODIIMBW (If Obama Does It It Must Be Wrong).

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    IWar Funds (none / 0) (#45)
    by mmc9431 on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:51:26 PM EST
    Obama has backed away from his Iraq stand since the primaries ended. Neither he, nor the Democrat's put up much of a resistance when Bush signed us up for three more years. I think our only hope now will be the economy. How long can we continue to pour billions of dollars a month into the Middle East?

    Pastor Ted is back (none / 0) (#63)
    by jbindc on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 01:45:24 PM EST
    Link

    Disgraced evangelical leader Ted Haggard's former church disclosed Friday that the gay s#x scandal that caused his downfall extends to a young male church volunteer who reported having a s#xual relationship with Haggard -- a revelation that comes as Haggard tries to repair his public image.
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    Brady Boyd, who succeeded Haggard as senior pastor of the 10,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs, told The Associated Press that the man came forward to church officials in late 2006 shortly after a Denver male prostitute claimed to have had a three-year cash-for-s#x relationship with Haggard.

    Why can't we get (none / 0) (#73)
    by Fabian on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 03:34:35 PM EST
    gay religious blow hards to drop the religion?

    Gay pundits.  Gay advice columnists.  They can keep on pontificating just dump the religion!

    I wouldn't be a consumer, but at least they'd annoy me less.

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    Hey, a young friend of mine (none / 0) (#71)
    by ThatOneVoter on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 02:55:05 PM EST
    was saying that there's  a rumor among his military friends that Obama is going to order a massive withdrawal from Iraq, and soon.
    Anyone heard similar gossip?

    Time for some pushback on this (none / 0) (#75)
    by Alien Abductee on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 03:59:24 PM EST
    This Should Be Fun To Watch (none / 0) (#80)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 05:06:16 PM EST
    The hunt is on for the photographic source of Shepard Fairey's iconic Obama image, and, as Mike Madison says, now "the fair use fun can begin."

    [snip]

    "This would be a tough fair use argument to win because the 'transformation' is purely in the look of the work, not the purpose. There's no commentary going on. Also, a large and significant portion the work is used, and campaign posters are certainly a reasonable and traditional market for licensed uses of photos, so there'd be a strong argument for market harm even if there's been no measurable lost sales by the photographer.

    artlawblog

    I think Fairey will prevail, although I would take some delight in seeing him lose.

    Oh Well (none / 0) (#82)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 05:25:04 PM EST
    The search for the original has ended, Google is my friend..

    Mannie Garcia is the author of the appropriated Fariey poster.

    via link

    Ball is in Garcia's court.


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    Confidentiality Agreement (none / 0) (#84)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 05:38:06 PM EST
    Brady Boyd, who succeeded Haggard as senior pastor of the 10,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs, told The Associated Press that the man came forward to church officials in late 2006 shortly after a Denver male prostitute claimed to have had a three-year cash-for-sex relationship with Haggard.

    Boyd said an "overwhelming pool of evidence" pointed to an "inappropriate, consensual sexual relationship" that "went on for a long period of time ... it wasn't a one-time act." Boyd said the man was in his early 20s at the time. He said he was certain the man was of legal age when it began.

    Roger Ailes

    Soon to be an HBO $pecial.

    Unfortunately... (none / 0) (#87)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 07:14:06 PM EST
    ...living where I do, I've been exposed to way more Haggard than I'd like.  The story is everywhere.  Too bad most people are wondering how he could have hidden his "secret life" for so long instead of looking at the larger issues.  Such as why he had to hide in the first place.

    I wish he would have rode out his 15 minutes of "fame" and left it at that.  But, he seems to enjoy the limelight a bit too much.  

    The timing of this new revelation is a bit interesting with the big upcoming HBO thing.  I have to wonder if it wasn't deliberate. New Life Church is very keen on protecting their multi-million dollar image.

    You may recall, this is not the only reason they've been in the news of late.

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