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Posted on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 10:47:08 AM EST
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Misled Edition.

Netroots to Obama - 'we were misled!'

Obama Administration to Health Care Industry - 'we were misled.'

Kool and the Gang - "Tell me, what's the price if I go with you? My heart? My soul? My love? Is that the goal? It's a thrill then I will Be misled, be for real "

Sometimes it's good to be cynical.

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    I came for the waters (5.00 / 6) (#1)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 10:48:06 AM EST


    you (5.00 / 8) (#3)
    by Turkana on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 11:06:39 AM EST
    were misinformed...

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    Oh, (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 10:53:32 AM EST
    this whole misled thing is so rich! I'm LMAO!

    but many in the netroots (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Turkana on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 11:07:42 AM EST
    apparently like it this way...

    You only can be misled (5.00 / 6) (#5)
    by Cream City on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 11:12:21 AM EST
    if you're a follower.

    If Obama had been a leader, if had led the fight for real health care reform, he would not have been in a position to be misled.

    Misled... (5.00 / 6) (#7)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 11:36:12 AM EST
    Do they mean like the people who have paid premiums for years only to be denied coverage when they need it?

    But I'm sure they still think such an industry must be preserved at all costs.

    I hear there's an old saying in Texas...fool me once...oh, never mind.

    Anyone see the Hillary Clinton (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by jes on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 11:54:54 AM EST
    interview (huffpo link) where she subtly underscores her workhorse versus showhorse cred?

    I wish she'd subtly underscore (none / 0) (#16)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 12:21:05 PM EST
    in a credible way, how workhorsing those same corporate contributions everyone else does makes the fantasied "leader" we need in this time of peril.

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    Yes. She should run next time without (none / 0) (#18)
    by jes on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 12:43:12 PM EST
    any corporate contributions. Like uh, like, uh... Gravel?

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    There was a time (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 12:55:17 PM EST
    in this country when a person didnt have to a politician smiling constantly for the t.v cameras in order to be a "leader" and make a difference.

    Why and how does anyone expect these spin dependent, plutocracy beholden celebrity/pols to be leaders?

    Talk about a starry eyed leap of misguided faith.

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    yes, before teevee (none / 0) (#23)
    by jes on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 01:26:24 PM EST


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    I think the tube is part of the problem (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 01:33:58 PM EST
    alongside of the fact that we as a people have allowed it turn pols into celebs.  I still don't like Bill Maher but I cannot help watching his show when he so eagerly reminds his audience that Obama is their President....not their boyfriend.  The whole audience goes silent when they do that too.  They aren't sure what they are supposed to do at that point to get to the feel good public unity again :)

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    Some here are so suseptible (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 01:36:49 PM EST
    to this artificially generated t.v charisma it's astounding. The arguments here during the primaries sounded like those between two contending self-idealizing religious cults.

    Me, all I wanted and expected was to keep the neocon slime way from the switch and the faith healers away from the science and medical advisory panals for four years.


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    While your bar is somewhat low, (none / 0) (#32)
    by KeysDan on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 03:49:26 PM EST
    you, too, may be disappointed.  We will have to see how Dr. Francis Collins, Director of NIH, will do in that position.  His appointment was not without some controversy in mixing religious views into science.  And, there seems to be some neocon influence still around in the formulation of foreign policy (cf. Iran and Afghanistan).

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    I guess "misled" (5.00 / 5) (#9)
    by Anne on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 11:57:23 AM EST
    is the newest entry in the Passive Voice section of the book titled Why We Aren't Responsible for Anything - it's next to the entry for "Mistakes Were Made."

    It's easy to be misled if you don't know where you're going, or how you're getting there; easier still to be misled if the person allegedly in charge of "leading" has a pretty bad track record on reaching previously identified destinations.

    It's also easy to be misled when one assumes the cash the little people donate has as much purchasing power as the cash donated by the corporate interests; seriously, if you've ever believed someone who said the check was in the mail, or that of course they would love you in the morning, you are not only easily misled, but easily screwed.

    As for Obama being misled by the health care industry, give me a break.  He courted the industry throughout the campaign, and the industry quickly started collecting payback for it; at every turn that I have seen, Obama has rolled over and done the bidding of the industry.  That they are now making noises about being unhappy just means that they aren't finished extorting more from Obama - and he will give it to them.

    Misled?  Yeah, whatever.

    Or maybe Obama was bamboozled (none / 0) (#13)
    by Cream City on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 12:04:32 PM EST
    by the health insurance industry's old okey-dokey?

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    Bamboozled? Obama? (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Anne on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 12:16:39 PM EST
    I think not.  

    Well, maybe if he were blinded by his own brilliance, but in general, I think he's quite happy scratching the industry's back while they give him the massage of his life.

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    Re Cool and the Gang: where have (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 12:11:24 PM EST
    I been all my life?  I did see Pulp Fiction.

    I'm not in touch here (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 12:35:58 PM EST
    When the netroots tells Obama they were misled who was it that misled them?

    I'd say.. (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 12:51:46 PM EST
    their own imaginations...any non-deluded fool could see all the top media picks were the same old sh*t, different colors and genders.

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    Obama. (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Anne on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 01:01:35 PM EST
    The netroots thought they were getting ponies, and after nine months of shoveling you-know-what, are coming to the conclusion that there might not be one after all.

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    I see (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 01:16:11 PM EST
    I've been fall cleaning and only halfway through.  My husband likes to hoarde so when he deploys that is my chance to release items to the universe, and we have a deal that my doing this is a good thing for everyone.  So everything going down hasn't been on my radar and I breezed around looking for some reading. Anyone got any links?

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    Yankees to Pavano--we were misled! (none / 0) (#6)
    by steviez314 on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 11:13:29 AM EST


    Yankees to Pavano - you misled us. (none / 0) (#11)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 11:58:20 AM EST
    "Go home for the winter, hang that post-season "L" on your baseball card, and don't bother shopping yourself to us again.  We ain't buying, loser."

    Would that we could get rid of deceitful pols as easily as the Yankees got done with Pavano.

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    Cubs declare bankruptcy (none / 0) (#10)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 11:58:06 AM EST
    I know it's just part of the mechanism for selling the team, but it still kind of hurts. why do I care? Heck if I know. I was misled as a small child.

    Awww - don'[t feel bad about it. (none / 0) (#29)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 02:39:56 PM EST
    It actually has a very harmonious feel to it - they've been playing that way for years and now their books are reflecting it.


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    No mislead here... (none / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 12:02:26 PM EST
    just a lead for the TL NYC contingent...real-deal country rock at Mercury Lounge tonight with Mr. Ryan Bingham...been waiting for this cat to come east of the Mississip for a while, should be a good time.

    Southside of Heaven

    As always, be there or be square:)

    Unique vocals and songwriting. (none / 0) (#26)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 01:48:59 PM EST
    Sounds really good.

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    Kinda funny story... (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 02:11:27 PM EST
    my friend found this guy completely by accident...was ordering cd's online and clicked the wrong disc or something and ended up with Ryan Bingham, never even heard of him.  Popped it in the stereo and really dug it, then turned the whole crew onto it.  

    So good to see such a young classic Americana-style singer songwriter doing his thing...he's the real deal.

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    This one's great too: (none / 0) (#31)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 03:24:14 PM EST
    Snake Eyes.

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    Nice.... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 03:51:52 PM EST
    off the new record "Roadhouse Sun"...might have to pick that up tonight if I have enough scratch left over after the tab, haven't listened to any of his new sh*t yet.

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    Look at the capabilities insurance companies (none / 0) (#28)
    by joze46 on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 02:37:36 PM EST
    Look at the capabilities insurance companies have had all along to invest those premium moneys they collect, for decades from the American citizen, we all should really perk up to all the controversial media circus, in a double cross to the basic mission to serve the public actually really they monkey around to confuse the public, where all media channels CNN, FOX, MSNBC are playing out in favor of the insurance companies.  

    Yes ladies and Gentlemen of America insurance companies have all sorts of options to opt in opt out of all kinds if stuff in stocks and bonds taking your insurance premium money in the domestic and international investments. Plus the investment boogie man called the "derivatives market". Which are known to be insured? Some fun Huh.

    Then if they goof, oops, then belly up to free money secret money of the Federal Reserve via for decades, say they are too big to fail when they just are too big to manage, that simple. One slip and they all bounce harder than Conan and late night cable switching from the "serious confusion" to the Colbert comedy report in Chris Mathews side show sending all America circling drain of depression. Than dance around in American idol controversy smile happy while telling us all we can't afford universal health insurance with public options. Sheesh...      

     The insurance companies have all the options they need to stratify their needs but offer the American tax pay zip. Nada, Nine, or as recently no way to Norway.  Can't do it, even though Obama says "Yes we can"...

    Some interesting work being done (none / 0) (#30)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 02:41:47 PM EST
    ferretting out the apparent frauds which drove the private prison/police force fiasco the last couple weeks in Hardin, Montana.

    Dr. Harold Hill lives, only now he's selling prisons to small towns, instead of marching bands.

    Give some props to TPM for following this story.

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