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    From the polishing a turd (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by lilburro on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 09:48:38 AM EST
    department...Chait:

    I've been pretty hard on Max Baucus for a while, especially as he spent months and months negotiating fruitlessly while Democratic political capital rotted away. But it's worth pointing out that his plan, assuming he had one, worked perfectly. Three months ago, the main storyline in the press on health care centered on whether Democrats would craft a bipartisan bill (yay!) or go it alone (boo!) Through his painstaking, and often pathetic, desire to reach an agreement with the GOP, Baucus proved beyond a doubt that serious GOP support for any remotely comprehensive health care reform was totally impossible. Indeed, the "go it alone" theme was all but disappeared from the press coverage. Meanwhile, the right-wing grassroots anti-reform insanity has largely burned itself out, and the popularity of President Obama and his health care reform has bounced back.[blockquote]

    Seems to me the opposite was proved - Olympia Snowe rules the world.  Now they'll do anything to keep her to avoid those "boos."  

    And of course as usual Klein and Chait have the same POV as Obama - call it health care reform, and therefore it must be health care reform.  Details be damned.

    Also interesting from The Hill:

    Even with assistance from the White House -- and the president himself -- the three senators are going to have to mostly work it out themselves, Dodd said.

    "Ultimately, we've got to come to the floor and convince our colleagues," he said. "The White House is obviously critical in that but primarily, it's [up to] us to fashion a proposal that will win this 60 votes that we need."

    I thought this was the step of the legislative process where Obama was going to jump in and fix everything?

    I already don't like the strategy (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 10:11:40 AM EST
    "Ultimately, we've got to come to the floor and convince our colleagues," he said. "The White House is obviously critical in that but primarily, it's [up to] us to fashion a proposal that will win this 60 votes that we need."

    It should be that whoever it takes (Obama, Rahm, Reid) has got to do whatever armtwisting is necessary to keep the Dems on board for the 60 vote cloture threshold, no matter how they plan to vote on the bill. The bill itself only needs 50 votes + Biden.

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    Apparently, there was a (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 10:16:31 AM EST
    miscommunication, and the design team responsible for making Obama's here-I-come-to-save-the-day costume thought he needed it for Halloween; but if Obama can borrow one of Oprah's "O's," and some velcro, all might not be lost.

    No word on whether we're supposed to clap or pray.

    /snark

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    This can (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 11:06:04 AM EST
    all be summed up in on sentence:

    All hail President Romney in 2012!

    This legislation is sooo bad that it alone is enough to destroy his reelection chances.

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    Humph! (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Fabian on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 10:24:01 AM EST
    Good news, bad news.

    Good news: My kids haven't caught whatever evil virus is going around.  They may have had it last year when we were hosting any or all of these three (as confirmed by the CDC):
    Seasonal Influenza A (var. 2008)
    Seasonal Influenza B (var. 2008)
    Influenza H1N1 (var. 2008)

    That was the hit-by-a-bus illness.  Laid the little tykes out - not in a good way either.

    With a district peak of 39% absenteeism, no schools were closed but my kids are running around healthy.  Hurrah.

    And they both just came back with bad behavior reports.  Oh effing joy.  Talked to the bus driver and hopefully managed to convince her that making kindergarten son the last kid to get off the bus is a punishment.  

    Wonder if they paid attention to my warnings at the beginning of school: Watch out, he's fast and he'll get into anything he can touch.

    What's the matter with Obama? (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by NealB on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 11:08:10 AM EST
    Obama struck me as a lightweight since I first heard of him, a day or two before he gave the Keynote address at Kerry's Democratic convention in 2004. His "purple" speech was so full of empty platitudes, so condescending, that I was astounded at the overwhelmingly positive response from the lefty blogosphere; even many of those that were motivated by what I thought was the substance of Howard Dean's campaign.

    But he used the effect of that speech, his appealing personality, and the Bush economic collapse, to win the presidency. I thought, even if he was a lightweight, inertia would force him to deliver what Democrats promised. So far, he's not only failed to use the force of the Obama phenomenon, he's repeatedly acted to brake it, to stall it. He seemed like a man with a mission, so it's confusing to me that he's acting more like Hoover than FDR.

    "Purple." The banality of that speech. I'd hoped I'd have forgotten about it by now, but it's all I can remember about him.

    Lots of merit in your assessment (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 11:54:48 AM EST
    My reaction to his 2004 convention speech was probably as awestruck as his campaign followers. I should see if I can find a clip of it online somewhere, though, because I don't remember him using that preacher's sing-song rhythm when he spoke.

    I didn't listen to one word of the speech in 2004, just got caught in the sound of it and did think he was to be watched for the future...the distant future. Fortunately, when selecting a POTUS...particularly when the country needs strong leadership more than any other time in my life, I listen to the words of the candidates, and look hard at the leadership they've displayed in the past. He was never my candidate for 2008, though he probably would have been for 2016 had he taken the time to prepare himself for the huge challenges of the office. I would have solidly supported a ticket with him in VP slot and any of the other more experienced democrats at the top.

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    New poll on Obama -- and Clinton (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 12:14:54 PM EST
    from Gallup.  TPM writes that it's a huge drop for Obama but a rise for his Secretary of State:

    A new Gallup survey shows that Americans now have a more favorable view of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton than President Barack Obama.

    The poll, taken in early October (before the President won the Nobel Peace Prize), measures President Obama's favorable rating at 56%, down 22 points from January. Secretary of State Clinton had 62% approval among those surveyed, only down 3% since January.

    This marks President Obama's lowest approval rating since 2007, when it came in at 53% (with 13% having no opinion). His 40% disapproval rating is the highest it has ever been. Alternately, Secretary Clinton's numbers are among her best ever, just a shade below her '98 approval rating of 67% which came just after husband was impeached.



    Not much of a surprise (none / 0) (#16)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 02:01:20 PM EST
    except, how can they compare Hillary's ratings as First Lady under duress to Secretary of State?

    That 3% difference since January for her must be found in the fact they asked different people during each poll.

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    The poll's and zero's of politics (none / 0) (#1)
    by joze46 on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 09:26:47 AM EST
    The blogosphere is getting it right the problem is the main stream media connected to political persona and the corporate gorillas.

    For ten's of decades once elected to federal office political persons talked in circles because they knew of the secret money game played with American tax payer dollars through secret deals via treasury and the federal reserve. Currently typified by Bush and Companies fear mongering demanding a trillion dollar cut and run secret Federal Reserve gift to tweak the system so it will not fail just before leaving office. But America now has the slogan a no job recovery. Heck everyone should stay home then we will have a robust economy....

    Constantly tapping the middle and lower class for tens of trillions of dollars over the decades, in secret deals or worse resourcing our young Americans in war through the shield of National Security Secrets creating the generational pirate profiteering economy for those in the know. Stashing tax dollars left and rights all the time arguing in Limbaugh or Hannity style why it is socialism to give the money back to its citizenship. What?  Isn't that like reducing taxes to give us back our taxes? Yikes...  

    Once a generation is dead who will know, life goes on and the heard of the electorate need not know the truth for its buried. Then the only option Americans get at the lower end is to fight and protect those mysterious secret baby trust Swiss bank accounts loaded with the less government over sight and less regulation that likely proliferates Pirating in Congress and the Senate.  

    Now cable news which appears to be in what I consider a long over due outing of each other, exampled by Olberman calling out CNN Lou Dobbs or Fox  Hannity or crazy Glen Beck for plain out mis information. This is where America is witness to self regulation in an area that is way over due. In  good form although those insiders don't like it. Actually America needs open ethics Journalism courts like Judge Judy ha ha, you think that will happen...Hmmm like Rush Limbaugh as a Judge LOL off my chair...yikes. Or the Psycho talk of the Ed Show. Really funny turn the channel to Crammer CNBC in stocks this guy is in over drive nuts. Crammer is the duality of Glen Beck...  

    Lighting geekiness. (none / 0) (#6)
    by Fabian on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 10:52:07 AM EST
    Lowes finally put undercabinet LED puck lights on sale.  5.5 watts so they aren't the low output types.  Still pricey though.  

    The kitchen is lit poorly.  You wouldn't think it by the bank of fluorescents in the middle of the kitchen.  Ha!  All the work areas are on the perimeters, so all those lumens illuminate most of the floor and little of the sink, the stove, the counters....   Even the overhead light for the sink has a shelf casting a shadow!  I mounted a small fluorescent bar under the offending shelf that gives me way more light than any other source - for less watts too.

    The counter was still in shadow, so I bought a set of three plug in LED pucks.  A dissection can be found here.  Bright!  This weekend I will mount them under the shelves over the counter and bask happily in their glow.

    as a professional lighter (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 11:14:51 AM EST
    I can vouch for the fact that a bright central light rarely works.

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    In this case (none / 0) (#13)
    by Fabian on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 12:06:41 PM EST
    it's wasted lumens.  And wasted energy.  Both irritate me - bad design and bad engineering always do.

    I could deck the kitchen out in workplace lighting and turn off the central fixture and barely miss it!  I'd also be running on probably half the energy.  The kitchen needs a total lighting redesign, with appliances hard wired in properly.  I'm making do with improvements here and there.

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    Polanski update: (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 10:56:08 AM EST
    LAT

    And more from Sarkozy: (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 04:09:57 PM EST
    Judge William Wayne Justice, RIP (none / 0) (#11)
    by scribe on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 11:34:53 AM EST
    Judge William Wayne Justice, USDJ, Champion of the downtrodden, dies at 89.

    His decisions included Plyler v. Doe (children of illegal immigrants have equal rights to public education), and reforming both the Texas penal system (making it more civilized than it was) and the Texas juvie system (moving it from pure punishment to rehabilitation)

    Being a Texan he was ostracized for many of his rulings, but he lived up to his name.

    What Greenwald said (none / 0) (#15)
    by scribe on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 01:36:55 PM EST
    about the whole Muslim intern spy chicanery put together by the wingnuts, here.

    To it I will add the following:  if you were to take the screeds and screeches these Republicans are turning out about Muslims, and substitute in them the word "Jew" for the word "Muslim" and "Judaism" for "Islam", you would find little or no difference between what the Republicans are ranting, and what the Nazis ranted.  You might even find that the Republican rants closely resembled Mein Kampf;  they are surely as illogical and insensible.

    As a non-Jew, I can make this comparison without anyone accusing me of bias or worse because no one can accuse me of allowing my own religion to cloud my vision.

    Substitute the one for the other (none / 0) (#22)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 04:48:26 PM EST
    and it would be banned from the air waves -- yesterday.

    Yet somehow this vile bigotry/war propaganda is fasionably acceptable -- which means that a certain critical number of powerful entities percieve themselves as benefiting from the propaganda.

    Really sick.

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    buhdydharma (none / 0) (#17)
    by lilburro on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 02:25:12 PM EST
    starts the "Where Are You Obama?" rally over at dkos:

    So if the Senate Bill has no Public Option then when the House and Senate go to merge It will be MUCH less likely that a strong, inclusive, non triggered Public Option will be included.

    If Harry Reid presents a Senate Bill without a Public Option, it is a HUGE obstacle to overcome.

    So it might seem that we are, as the Irish say....fooked.

    Because NOBODY is betting on Harry doing the right thing, right?

    So that leaves us only one real HOPE for CHANGE.

    THIS IS OBAMA TIME!

    Literally, only Obama can get Reid to include a Public Option in the final Senate Bill.

    If Obama doesn't MAKE Reid put it in, the Public Option will not be in the final Senate Bill.

    It is ALL on Obama now.

    Time to stop the bs rationalizations.

    Down the rabbit hole... (none / 0) (#18)
    by desertswine on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 02:26:23 PM EST
    we go.

    Record foreclosures...

    U.S. Foreclosure Filings Jump 23%!!!

    I was scrolling (none / 0) (#19)
    by lilburro on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 03:18:11 PM EST
    down Brad DeLong's blog and found the Lolcat Bible.  I don't know how long this has been around but it's hilarious.  I'm really enjoying Pascal's Wager:

    Kittehless Ceiling Wedgar
    So dis d00d Pascal wuz liek "if i beleevs in Ceiling Cat, i winz neways, evn if Celing Cat reel or not." An den dees kittehs dat no haz beleefs in Ceiling Cat sed "how u noes wich Ceiling Animule to beleev in? Srsly. An if Celing Cat is reel, he gun noes u jus wants free ried to the Ceiling. An den wut bout all the tiems u wastesz goin to church n stuff if Cileng Cat not reel? An wat if u jus preten to beeleef thatz Ceiling Cat is reel cuz den u wil jus be pertend an u wil go to basment Cat newaiz. Fur reelz liek."


    Chuck Norris don't endorse for free. (none / 0) (#20)
    by scribe on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 03:33:10 PM EST
    Makes claim against Huckabee campaign for about $23k.
    I wonder if those blogger disclosure rules apply to Chuck?