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By Big Tent Democrat, Section Blog Related
Posted on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 06:33:39 PM EST
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Heart attack averted as the Gators pull it out over Arkansas. Florida clearly is NOT the best team in the country and not likely one of the 5 best. If they do not improve their play, they will definitely lose BEFORE playing Bama in an SEC title game.

Looks like the Yankees-Angels will play Game 2 of the ALCS tonight. Go Yankees!

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    Roasted chicken and blue potatoes (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 11:51:32 PM EST
    over braised collard greens, onion and garlic. YUM! Entire meal was from my CSA (not counting the olive oil and liberal use of white wine!) Roasted the (Awesome Farm) chicken with (Montgomery Place) apples, (Hearty Roots) onions, garlic and blue potatoes (forgot to add the kohlrabi!). Collard greens, onion and garlic all from Hearty Roots. I so love it when I can put together full meals all from 'my' farms :) Certainly made it worthy the five hours out in the freakin' cold this AM at the distribution, lol!~

    And on the apple front, O.M.G. we had so many, so I have so many!! Asian pears today also :)

    What's up for tomorrow? Football n' cookin'. What better way to spend a cold rainy Sunday :)

    About those collard greens (none / 0) (#38)
    by caseyOR on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 04:55:48 AM EST
    I've never eaten collard greens, but I'm thinking of adding them to my cooking repertoire. Tell me how you made them, please.

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    There are two kinds of greens. (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Fabian on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 06:00:04 AM EST
    Tender greens and old, tough greens.

    Tender greens are any greens that you can eat raw.  (I have - tasty!)  Old tough greens are what you would feed to your goats rather than eat raw.

    Traditionally, collard greens were harvested mature, not young and tender.  Braising them for five minutes would only change their color, not make them tender.

    I'm not a fan of collard greens, preferring instead to use almost any tender green - mustard greens, and any Asian green.  Saveur has a good list here.

    My favorite preparation is:
    Gently saute chunks of garlic and sliced shiitake mushrooms.
    Turn up the heat and toss in the (chopped) greens.  If they are dry, add a little liquid.  I keep sake on hand for this.  
    Steam/braise/cook until tender, stir in a few drops of sesame oil and eat.

    You can add vinegar, but I prefer a mellower dish made with white wine or sake.  The actual cooking time varies.  Some greens like tatsoi, should be barely cooked.

    Saveur has some fancier preparations.

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    I still search for the green (none / 0) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 10:20:29 AM EST
    I had in South Korea at only one restaurant.  We even had a Korean with us that night, but I was silent about how blissful it was.  I hogged most of the bowl but there were so many dishes on the table that night that our Korean diner wasn't able to tell me what I was crazy about.  I didn't share.

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    My favorite is choy sum (none / 0) (#49)
    by Fabian on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 10:28:22 AM EST
    which is its Chinese name.  I realized this because I asked about it at a Japanese restaurant, and they gave me a blank look and said they didn't know what it was.  I realized that they probably had another name for it in Japanese...ditto for Thai or Korean.  Since I didn't know any language but English, I was stumped.

    Chinese serve it steamed whole with oyster sauce.


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    I'll try it (none / 0) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 11:39:26 AM EST


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    Environment Changed? (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by mmc9431 on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 08:04:48 AM EST
    "The combination of the economic shock and frankly the political upset and outrage has changed the landscape," Mr. Blumenauer said. "The Barack Obama that I campaigned with is pretty much the same guy. But it is an environment that is unprecedented and would press anyone's skills."

    Where was I when this happened? The environment in DC has been toxic for at least the last 25 yrs.  Emmanuel was in Clinton's WH. He saw first hand how the Republican's deal with the opposition. Did Obama and his supporters really believe that things would be different for him?

    I also refuse to accept the economy as an excuse. It had tanked months before Obama took office. His team and the Democrat's had months to prepare a comprehensive game plan. It didn't just sneak up on anyone.

    Rather than wringing their hands and looking for excuses, Democrat's would be better off accepting the leadership role that the voter's gave them

    My interpretation. (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Fabian on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 08:35:26 AM EST
    "Barack is newbie all right.  He's getting pounded by the "environment" because he's a novice.  We hope he'll do better with his on-the-job training than His Predecessor did."

    I am trying to come up with generic euphemisms for "George W. Bush" because that name can create some real knee jerk reactions.  The Previous Administration, The Previous POTUS, Not-Cheney,... any suggestions?  For the people who get their righteous indignation on when people mention Bush and Obama in the same sentence, or even paragraph - buck up!  No one has called Obama Cheneyesque yet.

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    Democratic Leadership? (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by mmc9431 on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 08:46:47 AM EST
    Obama may be a newbie, but the Democratic leadership that put him in the WH isn't. What's their excuse?

    GWB was a newbie but that didn't stop the Republican leadership from calling the shots and pushing their agenda through.

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    Change you can believe in? (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by mmc9431 on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 08:50:59 AM EST
    I'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table," he said at an appearance in Chester, Va., repeating an assertion he made many times. He said the discussions would be "televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies." But now, as a Senate vote on health-care legislation nears, those negotiations are occurring in a setting that is anything but revolutionary in Washington: Three senators are working on the bill behind closed doors.

    It is change. He's doing it different than he said he would!

    I was pondering earlier (none / 0) (#47)
    by Fabian on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 10:03:15 AM EST
    if anything Obama did could be called Cheneyesque and an unfortunate comparison came to mind: Cheney and energy policy meetings and Obama meeting with Pharma about health care policies.  I don't think any health insurance or pharmaceutical company will implode Enron-style.   I hope not...

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    The Obama experience: (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by lentinel on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 09:43:56 AM EST

    First you close your eyes and hope for the best.
    Then you open your eyes and reality sets in.
    Then you close your eyes again.

    What was different this week than (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 06:37:26 PM EST
    prior weeks?  Referencing the Gators.

    They played a better team (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 06:38:55 PM EST
    Arkansas is pretty darn good.

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    What did you think of the last two penalty (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 06:40:23 PM EST
    calls and the Arkansas touchdown call?

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    The personal foul was ridiculous (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 06:43:58 PM EST
    The pass interference call is one they make a lot and I think they are always wrong.

    But it's a call that is made all the time.

    The officials did not decide this game. Arkansas' kicker missed his kick and Florida's made his kick.

    If I was looking for excuses, I would say that Arkansas got every bounce as all of Florida's fumbles were lost and none of Arkansas' were lost.

    But everything counts and it is silly to justify things.

    One of the great things about college football is every game counts. It is also one of the bad things, as there is no playoff system.

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    Does the kicker frequently make the kick (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 06:45:22 PM EST
    when the angle is so pronounced?

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    They either kick from the left (none / 0) (#24)
    by Anne on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 08:53:23 PM EST
    hash mark or the right, and it's the last play prior to the kick that determines which - at least I think that's how it works.

    Kickers practice at these angles, so this is nothing unusual; some are better kicking left-to-right, and some right-to-left.

    As an aside, by the time we get to the BCS and the Super Bowl, you are going to be a football expert; maybe you will actually like the game, too!

    And in that same time frame, you'll know everything there is to know about Polanski.

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    A friend commented on my excessive (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 12:58:00 AM EST
    interest in an unreported incident at a restaurant near my house.  I wasn't there.  She was and wondered why I cared what happened.  I sd. things are tapering off re Polanski!

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    The officiating only matters when Michigan (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 07:24:11 PM EST
    wins.

    That being sd., is it difficult to kick a field goal from an angle?  What percentage missed?

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    what's odd about the hash marks... (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Dadler on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 02:03:46 AM EST
    ...in college football is that they left them wide, despite the fact they narrowed the goal posts to NFL width years ago. i never understood the rationale. yes, those angles are tougher to kick from.

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    Good kickers (none / 0) (#46)
    by CoralGables on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 09:44:43 AM EST
    don't worry about angles.

    As for the Gators, good teams don't fumble twice within the opponents 10 yard line. Then again, maybe great teams can lose four fumbles and still win the game.

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    So, do I have this right? In college (none / 0) (#53)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 02:38:48 PM EST
    football, kick off is from center of yard line and kick for extra points after touchdown is same, but field goal is from set place on either side?  Crazy.  

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    MLB changed the rules. Playoff game (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 06:59:51 PM EST
    isn't called after five innings and that's it.  Finish the game--now or later.

    Rule 4.12 (9). (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 07:12:38 PM EST


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    Garuda (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 09:20:41 AM EST
    link

    link

    link

    link

    my digital camera died and I have not decided what to replace it with so you get crappy cell phone pics.  sorry.


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    Thank you very much. An awesome (none / 0) (#51)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 12:28:32 PM EST
    and very detailed beast.  And those teeth!  

    PS Your cell phone takes much better photos than mine.

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    I guess that also means... (none / 0) (#12)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 07:45:45 PM EST
    ... that if the game is called after 3 innings, the 3 innings count (which is also not true in the regular season). Makes it easier to live with losing your starting pitcher.

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    Or the starting pitcher may continue. (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 07:47:06 PM EST
    But if he doesn't, can't come in later in the resumed game.

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    That makes sense... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 07:48:56 PM EST
    ... but, for example, it would screw up the Yankees rotation if Burnett threw four innings, the game got rained out, and they had to play nine tomorrow. If they can at least keep the four he threw, it's less of an issue.

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    Gators (none / 0) (#7)
    by GGINPB on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 07:07:57 PM EST
    Maybe not the best (definitely not today) but not top five? Even with a healthy Brandon Spikes? This was your prediction last week: "Even with Tebow, winning in Death Valley at night is almost impossible. Florida is a 7 point favorite over LSU. I can not imagine LSU getting beat by 7 at home". How'd that go? I think you're wrong again. We'll see...

    Jeter is invincible. (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 07:53:14 PM EST


    For the most part... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 08:00:09 PM EST
    ... Jeter's "clutch hitting" just means doing the same in big spots as in small ones. But he does have the knack for hitting substantially more home runs.

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    Teixera should have been a dancer! (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 08:02:00 PM EST


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    If you ignore his pathetic defence ... (none / 0) (#26)
    by cymro on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 09:58:30 PM EST
    ... and clutch errors.

    OOPS!

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    But it's cold out here. (none / 0) (#52)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 12:29:33 PM EST


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    I think Teixeira's toe must be welded to the bag. (none / 0) (#18)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 08:02:57 PM EST
    Or at least the umpires think so.

    Angels looking good. (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 08:24:37 PM EST


    This is their chance. (none / 0) (#20)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 08:33:36 PM EST
    I think if Burnett gets out of the fifth without giving up anything else, the odds go way against them.

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    Yeah. Burnett is volatile. (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 08:40:15 PM EST


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    So much for the personal catcher. (none / 0) (#22)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 08:40:59 PM EST
    Every other pitch is a wild pitch.

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    Fortunately for the Angels, Jeter is ... (none / 0) (#27)
    by cymro on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 09:59:39 PM EST
    ... still on the field.

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    And how's that workin' for them? (none / 0) (#28)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 10:01:53 PM EST


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    His teammates bailed him out again (none / 0) (#31)
    by cymro on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 12:19:35 AM EST


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    His teammates bailed him? Or perhaps . . . (none / 0) (#32)
    by nycstray on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 12:28:08 AM EST
    the Angels just couldn't capitalize on his sh*tty play?  ;)

    Whatever . . . it's still 2-ZIP!

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    I really couldn't care who wins this series (none / 0) (#54)
    by cymro on Mon Oct 19, 2009 at 03:20:04 AM EST
    As an A's fan, I'm rooting strongly against the Yankees, Angels, and Dodgers. If you follow baseball, you won't need to ask why! Therefore I'm left favoring the Phillies as the least undesirable outcome this year.

    I hope the Yankees and Angels play five more extra innings games and burn out all their pitchers in the process :-)

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    Washington Post endorses Deeds (none / 0) (#23)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 08:41:43 PM EST
    Doesn't matter though: he's toast.

    With a (none / 0) (#25)
    by JamesTX on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 08:54:19 PM EST
    lawyer like this, why did the Lone Star State waste money on a prosecutor?

    And the . . . . (none / 0) (#30)
    by nycstray on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 12:08:57 AM EST
    YANKEES WIN!!!!!!!!!

    New York, New York . . .   :)

    Grumble... (none / 0) (#33)
    by otherlisa on Sun Oct 18, 2009 at 12:54:21 AM EST
    Hey, I actually attended a college football game today -- UCLA v. Cal at the Rose Bowl. A lot of fun! Even though I was rooting for UCLA...

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