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It's a perfect fall day here, I'm headed out to enjoy it. And then back to cook a long, slow chili using the recipe in my 1969 edition of Alice's Restaurant Cookbook.
There are fancier ways to make red chili, but this one is the favorite in my house.

For those of you not following football, here's an open thread for all other topics.

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    I have to go to the library (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 12:11:01 PM EST
    and find a real book today. How 20th century!

    I would have thought you were (none / 0) (#49)
    by MKS on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 10:42:18 PM EST
    too modern for books.  Kindles and all that....

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    Instead of cooking, I think I will see (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 12:15:13 PM EST
    Meryl Streep as Julia Child.

    Movie recomment:  "Paris."  Good story, wonderful actors, including Juliette Binoche, and such beautiful cinematography of Paris.

    We really enjoyed Julie and Julia; (none / 0) (#34)
    by Anne on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 06:28:04 PM EST
    Meryl Streep does her usual amazing job becoming someone else.

    The movie made me want to go home and start cooking...

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    I seriously doubt that will be the (none / 0) (#35)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 06:32:40 PM EST
    effect on moi.  But I do enjoy seeing Streep on screen.

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    Iranian Prez Ahmadinejad born Jewish (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Dadler on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 01:26:25 PM EST
    Um, wow (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 03:11:30 PM EST
    I could have told them how this was going to work.

    Finally a sex scandal we can all love, (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 03:40:49 PM EST
    TRUST me on this one OK. LINK.

    Too funny, Thanks! (none / 0) (#25)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 04:05:29 PM EST
     

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    Only Brits could be so nonchalant (none / 0) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 04:16:43 PM EST
    while continuing to film such a situation.  Can you imagine Dobson trying to take that vacation hike?  My daughter and I were cleaning the livingroom this afternoon when this came on the IFC channel.  We were dying laughing. Joshua has two school friends over though and they are in his room.  They all three come out and we turn the television off, look sheepishly at each other.  What if some kids thought that video was a really good idea?  How many Jeralyns does it take to fix that?

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    MT, you stand accused of nuanced thinking! (none / 0) (#28)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 05:00:28 PM EST
    Madam, how do you plead?

    Thanks for that "New Daddy" video. I make independent/experimental/political videos for a rarefied art audience, so I'm totally envious that this YouTube thing has more than a half million views ;-(

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    Breast cancer 3 day walk is coming up. (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 06:38:47 PM EST
    Now you can donate on line:  3day.org

    Garrison Keillor is singing a song (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 07:10:16 PM EST
    about Facebook.  Very funny.  

    What was everyone here doing in 1969 (none / 0) (#3)
    by SOS on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 12:16:36 PM EST
    might be a more entertaining topic.

    Back to Ann Arbor. How about you? (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 12:18:29 PM EST
    Rock Musician (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by SOS on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 12:21:07 PM EST
     . . .

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    SOS, who did you play with (none / 0) (#39)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 06:52:05 PM EST
    and where? Did we know this before?

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    I was also in Ann Arbor (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 12:32:52 PM EST
    for college with part-time jobs working in a rock music store and a health spa. I also had a small astrology business and a private tutor in tarot card readings.

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    Sounds like '69 in Ann Arbor! (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 12:34:30 PM EST
    I was raising my first child and auditing courses at U of M.  Everyone else I knew was "throwing pots."

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    Oh, and going to Rennie Davis-led (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 12:36:33 PM EST
    war protests at Hill Aud.  Pres. of the Univ. showed up. Harlan Hatcher?

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    What, no macrame? (none / 0) (#29)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 05:09:59 PM EST
    I just love how the Brits pronounce it: maw-craw-may. One of the guys on Project Runway did an outfit with a macrame top the other night - the top part was really pretty.


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    Did one macrame for a pot I bought (none / 0) (#30)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 05:30:18 PM EST
    at the wonderful street fair in the summer in Ann Arbor.

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    I knew it! Bless you. (none / 0) (#33)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 06:05:13 PM EST
    I still like macrame (none / 0) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 10:10:59 AM EST
    And I still make my own plant hangers for my porch and house, but I don't make them elaborate because that's tacky now. Is it coming back?  I can macarame like nobody's business.

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    Me, too (none / 0) (#61)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 10:20:45 AM EST
    It took me a long time to find a hobby I enjoyed. Finally, I tried macrame, discovered I could create something really terrific in just a few hours, and built a nice little side business with it. I'd love to see the craft become popular again.

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    Me too (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 10:36:49 AM EST
    I was just a kid when I learned how.  I took it in 4H of all things.  Then I drug my dad around with my patterns to pick out just the right colors and beads.  I think it cost him a fortune too but he was a Contractor so enjoyed that I liked making functional yet good looking items.  Now I use white clothesline for my plant hangers outside and it looks very nice on the standard white Southern porch.  For the house I usually go to the hardware store and get some twine.  I use very fine twine right now, the patterns of the macrame aren't obvious but I know they are there.

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    And I made my topsy turvy planters using it too (none / 0) (#63)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 10:44:16 AM EST
    last year.  Cut a 3 inch hole in a big plastic pot.  Then I designed a hanger that came off of a metal ring...the metal ring supporting the base of the pot and not interfering with the bottom center of the pot.  A tomato plant in the bottom and mesclun grows in the top of the pot.  Doing it this way I can use a very large pot too so lots of room on top.  I want to do a zucchini next year, and the dang snails can't get to them.

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    That is sheer genius! (none / 0) (#75)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 04:40:41 PM EST
    Yes, I think macrame is making a comeback (none / 0) (#76)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 04:57:47 PM EST
    It's been used this season in some of the designs on Project Runway. And, as an accent on clothing, it never did entirely go away. Plus, nobody under 40 would remember anything about macrame, so it's not passe to them. Also tie-dye, it's never gone out of fashion. It still shows up in high-end, high-fashion apparel.

    QUESTION: Is MACRAME hard to master? I love it, but I'm hopeless with all craft work, especially sewing or knitting. Can anybody suggest anything that I might be able to master along those lines? I mean something that would require virtually no skill. I can't follow patterns, but on the upside, I do have patience.

    One thing I can do really well: darn socks, sweaters, etc. Watched my mother do it for hours on worn-through things she had hand-knit.

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    Darn.....and, I only recently gave away (none / 0) (#79)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 05:56:25 PM EST
    all the remaining ropes and beads I had been holding onto waiting for the revival. It can be expensive buying the supplies.

    It's actually really easy to do. Tying knots. Once you catch on, you can get really creative. I bored of plant hangers early on and focused on wall hangings.

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    I always save craft supplies (none / 0) (#80)
    by nycstray on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 06:13:06 PM EST
    they can either re-invent themselves or the craft has a revival. I have beads etc from years ago. They make it back into my sewing and other fun things. Ya just never know when you are going to want to have a variety of beads to choose from*, lol!~

    * that's artist think. I'm so used to have a fully supplied studio, so I apply it to all my creative endeavors. Room full of yardage and bolts of fabric, trims, notions. Craft supplies for jewelry making and beyond and then there's the kitchen  ;)

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    You're getting ready to move (none / 0) (#82)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 08:38:32 PM EST
    across country, right? Moving brought an end to my holding onto the supplies.

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    1969? Middle school, watching the world (none / 0) (#21)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 03:25:14 PM EST
    go by.

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    In 1969, I was a junior in high school (none / 0) (#36)
    by Anne on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 06:38:40 PM EST
    and having a blast.  I was one of those "good" kids who could get away with doing bad things, much to the envy of some of my friends.  We smoked cigarettes and pot in the bathrooms, cut school with abandon, and I, at least, managed to maintain a verging-on-4.0 average.

    That was the year we had a brand-new, just-out-of-college English teacher who was way too easily intimidated by us cocky, full-of-ourselves 16 year olds.  I managed to convince him without too much in the way of histrionics that I absolutely had done an assignment (that I absolutely had not done), and if he couldn't find it, well, that was his fault, not mine; he let me do it over.  I almost could not believe I could have that much power - it was at least as high-inducing as weed.

    Now that my kids have been out of school for a few years, a few of these stories have finally been told...

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    Hey that's my story! (none / 0) (#54)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 05:42:54 AM EST
    A rebel with an unimpeachable GPA. You get to hang out with whomever you wish peer-wise, and the teachers let you get away with murder. It set the tone for my adult expectations of the world. I became an artist/academic and it's been quite a ride. Perhaps for good reason, I find smart, bad-a$$ students more intimidating than over-bearing 'superiors'

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    Um (none / 0) (#41)
    by jbindc on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 07:09:26 PM EST
    I was born in 1969, so I probably wasn't doing much besides acting like luggage for my parents.

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    You were actively depriving your parents (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 07:27:05 PM EST
    of sleep and a social life, while at the same time causing them to make goofy faces, coo and squeal with delight :)

    Yes, I was holding a 2.5 mo baby today {grin}

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    jb, as an adolescent in 1969, (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 05:49:40 AM EST
    I would have been your baby-sitter, and I would have been a bad influence - in a good way. You must have had a bad influence somewhere, otherwise I wouldn't find myself in agreement with you as often as I do.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#59)
    by jbindc on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 07:34:45 AM EST
    I was a goody-two shoes (without the whiny attitude).  I just believe the rules apply to everybody, and if you don't like the rules, work from within to change them. If you decide to flaunt the rules and you get caught, well, then I have no sympathy when you whine and clutch your pearls about the consequences.

    Guess I haven't changed much - which is why kdog and I get into so many interesting discussions.  :)

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    "flout" (none / 0) (#64)
    by Fabian on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 11:07:48 AM EST
    "Flaunt" is what you do with your pearls and other bling.

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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by jbindc on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 03:29:39 PM EST
    typing faster than brain is working.

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    Well a person can "flaunt" (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 04:03:00 PM EST
    their "flouting" of the rules. Seems to me that's the problem a lot of people are having with some of the characters in the news lately.

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    Watching the Moon landing (none / 0) (#50)
    by MKS on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 10:48:25 PM EST
    like everybody else....and watching episodes of the daytime soap Dark Shadows.  That show gave me nightmares....But what imaginative stories.  Vampires, Werewolves (standard now but not then), I-Ching time travel....

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    Where is kdog? Doesn't he realize we (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 12:32:17 PM EST
    are awaiting his report on Springsteen concert last night?

    It was everything... (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by kdog on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 06:42:18 AM EST
    I hyped it up to be Oc...the hardest workin' man and band in show biz today, hands down.  What a night!

    Waitin' on my ride for football so I must be brief...highlights included a rollicking "Tenth Ave Freeze-Out" after the opening number, the new tune "Wrecking Ball"...leading into a blistering "No Surrender" after that. He had us all in the palm 15 minutes in.

    Darkness was epic beyond words...with a "Streets of Fire" to rival the '78 version, blistering solo by Bruce on "Adam Raised a Cain"...a 50k strong serenade for the last verse of "Prove it All Night". Chills throughout.

    And a "Jailhouse Rock" cover in the encore by audience request...always a track dear to me heart.  The best of times, and he best of times:)

    Gotta go pick some balls off...later gang!

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    Forgot to mention... (none / 0) (#84)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 08:36:42 AM EST
    "Candys Room"...probably the song of the night for me...a constant rising crescendo of a track that Max really shined on.

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    I would imagine... (none / 0) (#10)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 12:37:10 PM EST
    ...he's either recovering from last night and/or has a football/softball game to win.

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    I didn't realize he also plays football. (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 12:38:54 PM EST
    I envision kind of a tall, stringy fellow.

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    More of an Alex P Keaton appearance (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 02:44:34 PM EST
    comes to mind when reading kdog for me....completely different fixations, but the same confidence and certainty.


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    Well, both have a similar distaste (none / 0) (#56)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 05:53:24 AM EST
    for government. One as a Republican, the other as a libertarian - or so it seems to me.

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    Speakng for the tall, stringy fellows... (none / 0) (#12)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 12:42:14 PM EST
    ...we can play football, especially flag or touch football were being tall and stringy in an enhancement, not a hinderance.

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    aren't the better WRs tall and stringy? (none / 0) (#13)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 01:07:03 PM EST
    Rice immediately pops into mind :)

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    Percy is kind of tall and stringy. (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 01:26:18 PM EST
    Is he? (none / 0) (#26)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 04:06:29 PM EST
    I don't know what he looks like. Just know he has scored every week as he's on my team :)

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    Per Wiki: (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 07:06:42 PM EST
    Height: 5 ft 11 in (1.80 m) Weight: 195 lb (88 kg)

    That ain't tall and stringy.  

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    Muscle weighs more than fat (none / 0) (#45)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 07:29:01 PM EST
    so what's the average for that height? My dad was 5'11 and on the stringy side. I say was, as in he's elderly now :)

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    Just came home with a boatload of (none / 0) (#14)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 01:17:16 PM EST
    blue potatoes and some leeks. So I think I'll make some blue potato and leek soup :)

    And we also got Coe's Golden Drop, Jonathan, and Empire apples along with Bosc pears, so I've got to fidure out what to do with those. I'm thinking cake, turnovers and perhaps some apple sauce . . .

    Apple Butter (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ellie on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 02:52:36 PM EST
    1. Easy peasy. Wash, quarter and place the apples in a large pot with 1-3 inches of water to steam-cook at low heat. (You'll run them the fruit puree through a colander, mesh, or mill later, which will take off the skin, seeds and pods.

    You can peel and core'em, but that's just excess needless work and this way gets the job done and preserves the natural fruit pectin and immuno-boosting qualities from the skins.

    1. Cook covered long enough for the fruit to be soft enough to mash to a thick sauce.

    2. Strain away skins, seeds and pods and return the apples to the pot. Add about 1/4 cup per 2 qt sauce of apple cider vinegar -- just about any kind of vinegar works: red wine, rice, you name it -- and sugar or honey to taste.

    3. Add a couple of cinnamon sticks and about a teaspoon of Pumpkin Pie Spice (aka cinnamon, nutmeg, clove, sometimes green cardamom) per 2 qts of sauce. Slow cook down till it's a very dark colour.

    You'll be adding sugar and adjusting flavor during the late stages, so don't mess with it till then.

    Sweeten, spicen and salt to your liking and put into sanitary jars. This one's hard to f*ck up Enjoy on its own, on buttered toast. A great last minute thing for quick dessert and for impending  holidays. Keeps forever, like jam but healthier.

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    Excellent idea! (none / 0) (#24)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 04:01:43 PM EST
    Thank you!  :) The Jonathan's I got have a nice cider crispness to them. I'll have to taste the other apples to see which seems best for the butter. I also still have some Cox Orange Pippins and a couple other varieties (yes, I have a boatload of apples, lol!~). I'm thinking of doing a winter pork share, so apple butter sounds like it should be in my pantry :)

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    Yup. (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by scribe on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 11:47:26 AM EST
    I find the best apples for eating wind up being the drops I find while bird hunting in old orchards, post-first frost.  Once they get that nip of frost, all the flavor comes out. These apples would never pass in a supermarket, all lumpy, bumpy, misshapen, and odd sizes, but they are gooood.

    That, and a cold, tart apple is just the medicine after a couple hours of busting brush.

    As to the apple butter, you really don't need all the spices if you mix the varieties of apples you get.  It's better made when you can get that blue enameled turkey roaster out and make it in a quantity that requires that roaster to hold it all.  Do it covered in a very slow oven and make sure you turn so it doesn't burn.  It will take most of the day, but it's worth it.

    And, FWIW, you can't be from Pennsylvania if you don't think of apple butter and cottage cheese as going together.  You can get them as sides in diners once you get past Philly into the countryside.  Try it some time.

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    Thanks for the added info (none / 0) (#67)
    by nycstray on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 01:57:05 PM EST
    I think I'll figure out what I need for my other apple projects and use all the extras for butter :)

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    Another way to use the extra apples (none / 0) (#73)
    by scribe on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 04:04:26 PM EST
    is to make what the Penn Dutch called "schnitz" -core the apples, slice them, string the slices like you would popcorn for your Christmas tree, and hang the strings to let them air dry. This was a productive use of that attic space in the farmhouse.  Let the strings of apples hang from nails in the rafters.

    FWIW, one of the fundamental units of measure in a Penn Dutch household was the washbasket-ful.  You get a couple washbaskets full of dried apple slices, you can do lots of things.

    Schnitz reconstitute with water very nicely, but with a stronger, deeper and more developed  flavor.  You can make pie with them.  You can make something called Schnitz und Knepp, which is basically a casserole of them, bits and pieces of ham (the leftovers of a ham, including the bone for extra flavor), broth from cooking the ham and maybe some sliced or cubed potatoes, or some homemade noodles (thick, 2 inch squares) and maybe some green beans.

    I could go on, but you get the idea.

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    Hmmm, I have high ceilings (none / 0) (#78)
    by nycstray on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 05:27:14 PM EST
    I could actually rig something up and dry them where the cats couldn't play with them  ;) I like the casserole idea. I've been using apples while roasting meats. They are so good with pork, turkey and chicken.

    I actually have a washbasket. I love old container type items. So handy!

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    Question (none / 0) (#81)
    by nycstray on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 06:58:34 PM EST
    do you know if the apples are dipped in lemon first? Usually when I do large batches of apples, I have a lemon water bath to toss the slices in while I cut them all up. Do you think that would effect the drying process?

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    You could spritz them with lemon juice (none / 0) (#83)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 07:01:32 AM EST
    or, for that matter, cider vinegar, just to keep them from going too, too brown.  But, AFAIK, they don't get soaked in acidulated water.  While I don't know whether so soaking them would affect their drying, I can't see how it would help.

    The ones I've seen have been, to a greater or lesser degree, at least a little brown.

    Making these is, traditionally, a team effort.  Older folks would wield the knives and corers, and younger folks the needle and string.  A team of 3 or 4 can go through a lot of apples in a hurry that way.  

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    Any really good apple (none / 0) (#57)
    by Fabian on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 06:18:43 AM EST
    will make a great apple butter without any spices.  I've stopped buying cider because it's usually made with whatever apples they have.  A cider made from Red Delicious is little different from apple juice.  Actual old fashioned cider was a carefully balanced blend of sweet, tart, bitter and spicy apples - and it must have been ambrosia!

    I'll eat a few varieties fresh, but I prefer the drier, spicier pie apples like Northern Spy and Wolf River for baking.  Here's an exhaustive list of antique apples.  Good pie apples tend to be drier and firmer than other apples so they don't turn to mush when baked.  They also have a wonderful "nose", so they don't require a heavy dose of spices.

    During my search one article commented that the most apples suggested for recipes seemed to be based on availability.  I second that.  As popular as Granny Smith is, I've never found it to be a great apple.  

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    The apples you find in the stores are (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by scribe on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 11:53:29 AM EST
    bred for three things:  (1) prettiness to conform to a model of perfection, uniform size and shape, (2) long-term cold-storage keeping ability (like - all winter, spring and summer) and (3) the ability to be shipped long distances without getting too badly mashed up.

    Note that taste is not on the list.

    The Granny Smith is perhaps the worst offender on the list.  I've read about how there are huge plantations of them in South Africa - mile after mile of apple monoculture.  They're not that different than most of the table grapes you get in the store - durable bags of sugar water with a little tartness mixed in.

    The next place I buy, one of the first landscaping things I'm gonna do is start an espalier of old variety apple trees.  I'll pick a neighbor I don't want to look at, and make a Belgian fence.

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    I was just looking at apples (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by nycstray on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 02:02:57 PM EST
    at the store. The Gala's don't even come close to the ones I got. The organic ones looked a tad bit better than the others, but still not close. This store actually had a decent variety (more than 3!) of both organic and non, but there is just no comparison to the ones from the orchard :) They had Pink Ladies shipped in from NZ that looked rather pathetic compared to the Pink pearls we got.

    We were getting grapes from the same orchard earlier in the season. Wow, those suckers were YUMMY!

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    A few years back, there was a little (none / 0) (#70)
    by scribe on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 03:53:55 PM EST
    orchard - some older guy with a few trees of all different varieties, really - I used to pass on my way to go fishing.  He sold from a table under a little open-sided pavillion - a true roadside stand.

    Come late August, he had Early Concord grapes, for like $2 a quart or some absurd price.  You could smell them from the road, and had to work your way through the bees just floating around looking for a way to get at the grapes.  I would eat myself full - almost sick - on them while driving.  It was like eating flowers.

    But, of course, you won't see them in your supermarket because, horror of horrors, those grapes have seeds.  They would have to be harvested before ripeness to make it to the store, there are few things more sour than an unripe Early Concord, and they don't continue ripening after being picked.

    That guy was also the only place I could get real, red currants.  Some states outlaw importing or growing currants because they host an intermediate stage in a disease of pine trees.  The old guy's was not one of those states.  

    I haven't been by in a while. Last time I passed by the old guy was not out there selling, and it looked like he wasn't selling at all.  The orchard was still there, but looking disused.

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    This would make a wonderful essay. (none / 0) (#71)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 03:57:32 PM EST
    Like that fellow who writes for NYT on country living.  

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    I think currants are legal here (none / 0) (#77)
    by nycstray on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 05:20:09 PM EST
    as we got some black currant jam in one of our shares. Sometimes if they don't think the harvest will be there for the weekend we get jam :) We also get honey, which makes me very happy as I use it with their fruits if I want to sweeten them a bit.

    I'm surprised at how many varieties the orchard has in the way of apples. We had a couple of varieties this year we didn't have last and vice versa. They usually tell us a bit about each variety and then most of us hit the google for more info  :) We were actually googling recipes and such at the CSA distribution on Sat.

    I buy so little at the store. Maybe fresh herbs, celery and onions if I've run out of the ones from the farm/farmers market. Stores are for buying milk :) Luckily, the stores in my 'hood carry milk from the local dairy I like.  

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    Another is to make plum lekvar (none / 0) (#74)
    by scribe on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 04:12:51 PM EST
    which is plum butter or prune butter.  Those prune danish and hammentaschen - that's what they're filled with.

    The recipe I have calls for a peck of ripe plums and 5 cups of sugar.

    (NB - when was the last time you needed a peck of anything?)

    You get out the turkey roaster, pit the plums into it, toss with the sugar, add a little water as needed, and slow roast, covered in an oven set at about 200 deg. F for about a day - "until done".  Turn, stir and scrape the pan to make sure it doesn't burn.

    This will keep, quite literally, for years when packed in sterilized jars and refrigerated.  I just finished a quart which my dad bought a year ago for me.  He got it from a bakery near where he lives that makes it in bulk for people whose Central European holiday baking requires it.  Goes great on bread for breakfast.  

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    How the Cookie Crumbles: Yummily! (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ellie on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 02:28:29 PM EST
    I love Alice's cookbook: one of the classics that taught me how to make delish hippy dippy (aka veggie) dishes.

    Another good source for that stuff generously comes from the Moosewood Lodge, which offers fabulous recipes online from its classic cookbook.

    My own otherwise spectacular frenchypants Mom stank at cooking, so I got greedy custody of her unthumbed The Joy of Cooking and Grandpere's classics of French cuisine:

    Larousse Gastronomique (Prosper Montagné) and Le Guide Culinaire (Georges-Auguste Escoffier) (which, to food-lovers anywhere, read like the Best. Food Porn. Ever!)

    James Beard's American Cookery's good that way too. (Also, to be charitable to Mr. Beard, let's just say it was a tender mercy to have much of him hidden behind the counter and let the question of whether he was wearing pants go unanswered. The recs in my ancient copy have lovely hand-drawn how-to's.)

    Julia Child's work as a total food/sex goddess is unparalleled of course, particularly her cult classic: "I Rode Their Asses from My Kitchen to the Dining Room and Back in Full Food-Dominatrix Regalia And Made Them Scream For Seconds!"

    I wouldn't go near crap by FoodNetwork boy-band upstarts like Bobby "Ugh" Flay and Guy "If I Got Free Cat Barf On a Plate I'd Eat It" Fieri, but that's just me.
     

    More on this... (none / 0) (#23)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 03:59:24 PM EST
    New Zealand's severely endangered Kakapo parrot.

    Thank you! (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 07:40:19 PM EST
    Nice to see they're doing reasonably well.

    The Douglas Adams ("Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy") book "Last Chance to See" is absolutely wonderful, btw.  I first learned about Kakapos in that book, and the description of their behavior was so bizarre I had trouble believing it.  Then Attenborough did that incredible long series for PBS "The Life of Birds" some years later and actually had a section devoted to them, and darned if they weren't just as preposterous as Adams had said they were.

    The females are only receptive to mating one day out of the entire year, and they all live solitarily.  So the males go through this incredible, laborious process of climbing way up on top of the right kind of hill and making a platform for themselves, then they settle down to broadcast their mating call in hopes of finding a nearby female who happens to be in that one day a year she's willing to mate.  They puff themselves up and expend extraordinary effort to give their call-- and it's so soft you can barely hear it!

    It's no wonder they live 90 years or so.  It's the only way of having decent odds they'll be able to reproduce once or twice in their lifetimes.

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    There was a very interesting series a couple (none / 0) (#31)
    by tigercourse on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 05:47:06 PM EST
    of weeks ago on the Discovery channel about the Pacific region that mentioned these birds. There are also Penguins who live in the woods of New Zealand and commute out to the Ocean every day.

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    I find a lot of joy and solace in animals. (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 06:03:57 PM EST
    I'm so glad they're here. It's too bad the only fully domesticated indoor pets are cats and dogs. I'd like one of those miniature horses, the ones small enough to walk under a table. But they're still HUGE. And the pot belly pigs too. I mean, I want to be able to physically pick a pet up if it needs to go to the vet in a hurry, etc.

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    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 07:27:53 PM EST
    I saw a woman on TV taking her mini horse for a car ride.  She built a platform over the fold down rear seat so he could easily stand while putting his head out the window.

    Yes, so glad domestic animals are here.  I'm still sick today and for my labrador retrievers, when mom is sick there is no bird to taunt, no squirrel to chase, there is only mom. They have not left my side.  I took a nap on the couch and woke to them surrounding my couch on the floor below me, one facing north, one facing south.  They "protected/guarded" me while I slept.  Of course they also slept, and their peacefulness is very comforting, complete relaxation with that occasionally long. soothing curl-pawed stretch.

    I had abdominal surgery once, and I actually had to hobble outside with one of my dogs to get him to go to the bathroom.  He wouldn't leave me alone.

    Such loyalty!  It's astounding!

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    See my response below to Gyr and you TiS (none / 0) (#53)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 05:15:58 AM EST
    I deeply, deeply regret (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 07:43:18 PM EST
    that my life has only allowed me to get to know a small number of kinds of animals.  They are fascinating and wonderful, totally innocent, totally themselves, "totally in the moment," and utterly individual.

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    Gyr & TiS, your comments are... (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 05:14:58 AM EST
    greatly appreciated. I have no claim to spirituality, but da animals, they're the living embodiment of my bastardized understanding of the zen concept of being. They take me there more fully than anything else; walking on the beach at sunset and working in the garden are a close second.

    Gyr, I know what you mean about each animal being "utterly individual". In particular, I've known a lot of cats intimately and they are no more alike than individual people.

    TiS, you probably know about the work scientists have done with dogs re. their amazing ability to detect serious illness like cancer (through the sense of smell it seems). I've had a similar experience with dogs expressing acute sensitivity and gentleness toward me when I was injured in a way that had no external, visible manifestation to them.

    I am constantly amazed that they reciprocate our fondness for them. Enjoy!

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    Penguins in a big city! (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Cream City on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 06:47:34 PM EST
    That's what I got to see in marvelous Melbourne -- a colony of the smallest penguin species, called "fairy penguins," that migrated up from Antarctica to the historic St. Kilda's port area.  They're only about a foot and a half tall and delightful.

    I've always been fond of penguins at our zoo; I can watch them for eons, but more commonly the great emperor penguins.  (Melbourne has those, too, and in abundance -- but in its fantastic aquarium . . . where I could have watched them for eons there.)

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    Ghstavo Dudamel just finished conducting (none / 0) (#51)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 11:39:47 PM EST
    his first concert as new music director of LA Phil.  At Hollywood Bowl.  Free.  17,000 attended.  He spoke to the audience in English and then in Spanish. In post-concert interview says he prefers Venezuelan beer!