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Tuesday Night TV and Open Thread

Tom DeLay's rump-shaking days are over on DWTS -- with stress fractures in both feet, he calls it quits tonight. I actually enjoyed watching him.

Also on, The Biggest Loser, a very depressing season so far. The Good Wife....I really dislike the show and all the characters. It's unoriginal and boring.

What's on your agenda tonight, TV or otherwise? This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    We like The Good Wife. Juliana Margulies is good (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Angel on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 09:25:35 PM EST
    and Chris Noth - oh oh oh.....oh my!

    After the long baseball game... (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 09:59:25 PM EST
    ... there's no Tuesday TV I watch. Catching up on Heroes, which is clinging to the last rung of my TV-watching ladder.

    That was a great game (none / 0) (#6)
    by magster on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 10:15:06 PM EST
    ...too bad the Yankees will slaughter tonight's winner, whoever it turned out being.

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    It does seem likely (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 10:34:34 PM EST
    The game didn't go quite long enough for the Twins to have to use tomorrow's starter. But they did use Nathan for a pretty long while. Plus, they just aren't as good as the Yankees, no matter how you slice it.

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    With the Yankees (none / 0) (#11)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 10:39:18 PM EST
    paying $156 million more in salary for the year than the Twins, what a wonderful upset it would be if the Twinkies take out the Bronx Bombers.

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    Any team, really. I'm hoping for (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 12:13:18 AM EST
    a freeway series:  Dodges and the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim.

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    The Good Wife (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by broncoann on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 10:02:57 PM EST
    I have watched all three episodes and have enjoyed them.  I will continue to watch and anticipate that the characters will develop.
    I have always liked Juliana Margulies and hope The Good Wife makes it.

    what lawyer tells a client (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 10:07:28 PM EST
    "If you broke the law, you need to go to the police."

    The worst writing ever.

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    I do, kind of (none / 0) (#7)
    by magster on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 10:16:06 PM EST
    "If you broke the law, you need to go to the police...

    ...and blame someone else."

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    and it a rip-off of the (none / 0) (#8)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 10:17:34 PM EST
    Someone pointed out (none / 0) (#20)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 04:39:29 AM EST
    that much of television is a rip off of previous shows, previous characters, previous series.

    Hardly surprising.  If you want accuracy, ask Pixar to make a movie about lawyers.  My dentist absolutely loves Finding Nemo because they paid such attention to detail in the dentist's office.  The coral reef isn't shabby either.

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    If you hate it so much, stop watching, (none / 0) (#23)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 07:18:43 AM EST
    for heaven's sake!

    I've been enjoying it, for the most part, and don't give a fig whether everything the characters say is true-to-life or represents good lawyering.  It's not an educational show, Jeralyn, it's entertainment; if you're not entertained, change the channel.

    You like Grey's Anatomy, as I recall; do you think that show accurately represents life in a big city hospital?  Or that the medical scenes are spot-on?  How about Nurse Jackie?  

    I have less of a problem with shows that are meant to entertain taking liberties with reality than I do the news media playing fast and loose with the truth and the facts.  Which is why I stopped watching, for the most part - it's not worth the rise in my blood pressure or the knot of anger in my stomach.

    Watch "Deliver Me" on Discovery Health - guaranteed to have you grinning by the last 10 minutes.

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    Heh. (none / 0) (#26)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 08:17:39 AM EST
    Any accurate show about professionals would be boring as heck.  An emergency room can be boring - how many times do you want to see someone get a wound stitched or a fracture set?  Traumas can be exciting, but they probably look more like chaos than tense dramas.  

    Entertainment is what it is.  The only thing I want is entertainment that doesn't insult my intelligence.

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    Funny (none / 0) (#32)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 08:54:53 AM EST
    Yes, I always love when they have people on shows that can walk up to any computer and punch a few keys and get what they want. You definitely have to suspend your disbelief to enjoy entertainment.

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    When I once had TV (none / 0) (#35)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 09:18:51 AM EST
    I appreciated the PBS show where they found actual preserved tissue in dinosaur bones.  They showed how the tissue was carefully extracted, prepared and finally fed into the machine.

    Punch a few keys?  Real science takes a LOT more than that!  

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    For removal from reality, see "Hung" (none / 0) (#39)
    by Cream City on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 11:35:28 AM EST
    and trust me, only the part about being underendowed financially is representative of the reality for teachers.

    The part about being over-endowed physically is . . . entertainment.  (Blogger disclosure: I have dated a lot of teachers.:-)

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    I was just giving it another chance (none / 0) (#44)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Oct 08, 2009 at 10:49:46 PM EST
    to redeem itself, like a restaurant reviewer who visits a restaurant three times before writing the review. I won't be watching anymore, three times is it. LA Law wasn't realistic, but it was a great show. This one is terrible in my view, and having a blog, means I get to express my views. (That's kind of the point of blogging.)

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    Twins win! (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by mg7505 on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 10:08:56 PM EST
    My heart goes out to Detroit fans:

    The Tigers became the first team in major league history to blow a three-game lead with four games left.


    I've been immersed in the blog back-and-forths (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by shoephone on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 02:47:14 AM EST
    about the future (and verifiable history) of jazz the last few weeks. A kerfuffle was begun when Terry Teachout wrote this article asking, "Can Jazz Be Saved?"  That opened the floodgates on quite a few jazz blogs. Some people agree that, as Teachout claims, "nobody's listening", because maybe jazz is now for eiltists? Others, particularly jazz teachers and players -- of which, Teachout is neither -- disagree vehemently.

    That discussion prompted blogger Alex Rodriguez to pose this question: "Is Jazz Finally Over Ken Burns?" This really caught my attention, because I've been having discussions with many people over the last few years about their impressions of Ken Burns' film, Jazz, that was broadcast on PBS in 2002.

    I'll state flat out that I think most of that film was pure sh!t, due to Burns' bad judgment in putting Wynton Marsalis and Stanley Crouch at the helm, allowing them to frame the history (or their version of it), the themes, the high points, and bloviate on camera non-stop. My loathing of those two was only intensified because Burns basically gave them carte blanche in guiding him (a self-described, complete jazz novice) over what, and which players, to cover. White musicians were pretty much ignored (even Bill Evans -- arguably, the most influential jazz pianist since the 1950's, and Mike Brecker, the most influential sax player since Coltrane) and the film basically stopped at around 1960, when Marsalis and Crouch deemed jazz over.

    So... I'm just curious: Does anyone here have any thoughts on the film? Did you see it? Did you watch the whole thing? Did you learn something? Did it inspire you to go out and buy some CD's by certain players or bands? Do you agree that everything that's been created since the 1960's is not "real" jazz, and therefore, not worthy of listening to? Did you come away from it feeling like some important things were missing?

    All right class. Now write 500 words answering those questions, in narrative form. Hand in to me
    by the end of the week.

    ;-)

    heh - I'll give it a try (none / 0) (#29)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 08:45:38 AM EST
    but I won't get very far. That series was the first thing I downloaded from the then-new iTunes video store. I confess to only have watched some of the first episode - I guess I just didn't find it very compelling, for some reason. You seem to have analyzed it a lot more than I have - perhaps it was the presenters.  I'm probably a lot like Ken burns in that I don't know much of anything about jazz, but I like what I hear in the records my dad used to play, a few clubs I have been to, and on the few real jazz radio stations left. I like Wynton Marsalis' music, though I have no idea where it stands on a jazz-purist scale. He seems like a good guy to spend time with, but maybe not to hold down 10-12 hours of programming. To me it seemed that the series was so much less lively than the music.

    I really was hoping to get exactly what you say out of it - come away with some ideas of artists I wanted to listen to, etc.  From your review, maybe I never will bother watching the rest of my videos!

    Did you see the series on the blues narrated by Keb Mo around the same time? I thought that was better. (Please don't tell me it is the same series and I am just very confused).

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    I appreciate your response (none / 0) (#40)
    by shoephone on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 11:41:21 AM EST
    Because I think the show was aimed at people just like you: not yet knowledgable about jazz, but wanting to learn about it and get excited about listening to the music. So... I think Burns failed, for a number of reasons. One problem is that he uses the exact same format for every documentary he produces. Still photgraphs with voice-overs, and old-timey banjo and fiddle music. Yawn. It means that everything is cast in that long-ago historical light and it can put people to sleep. He intersperses that with interviews with "experts", and you have to buy in to that "expert" having the facts right. In the case of Jazz, very few of the interviewees had all the facts right and could tell a story using them. Gary Giddins (who's one of the best jazz writers ever) was the only one who really filled the bill.

    What really irks a lot of jazz players and fans is that Burns burned up all the public funding on a project that failed and now there is no money and interest among those philanthropists for helping to produce anything else on the subject -- as if, because Burns did it first, it's a settled issue. There may never be another chance to reach a broad audience and do the thing right.

    I won't go on and on about this. Suffice it to say, as a jazz player of many years, I found the whole enterprise to be something of a fraud perpetrated by Marsalis and Crouch, who have personal axes grind. After all, there was a whole controversy stirred up by Crouch back when he wrote for Jazz Times Magazine, exhibited some pretty repulsive and embarassing behaviors and then got fired.

    As for Wynton, he thinks he's G*d and I got tired of his nonsense years ago.

    I found Burns' latest foray. "The National Parks" way too boring to stick with (because of the same old format) and his previous film on World War II was so bad I ditched it after the first two hours.

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    Saw U2 in Atlanta last night (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 06:23:03 AM EST
    They put on their usual kick a** show.  But I couldn't help but notice the young lady sitting next to me texted during the entire show.  It didn't annoy me, but I did wonder, what ever happened to being in the moment?  I must be getting old.

    Same thing happened to me at the Springsteen show (none / 0) (#30)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 08:49:59 AM EST
    this woman texted through the first half of the show. She said before the show that she ran a fan blog, so I assumed she was updating it.

    Then she spent the second half of the show trying to push past my sister and I to get to the front. She vastly underestimated the 'nice' ruffian sisters!

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    At least she... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 09:05:54 AM EST
    wasn't screaming into the phone the whole time...I've seen that at shows and wondered why they wasted money on a ticket when they could have had a quiet conversation at home, and not ruin the show for people who are there for the music.

    You're not old...these people letting their gadgetry run their lives are shot:)

     

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    President Obama finds yet another (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 07:07:30 AM EST
    issue he can dither over: Afghanistan.

    From the NYT:

    President Obama told Congressional leaders on Tuesday that he would not substantially reduce American forces in Afghanistan or shift the mission to just hunting terrorists there, but he indicated that he remained undecided about the major troop buildup proposed by his commanding general.

    Meeting with leaders from both parties at the White House, Mr. Obama seemed to be searching for some sort of middle ground, saying he wanted to "dispense with the straw man argument that this is about either doubling down or leaving Afghanistan," as White House officials later described his remarks.

    But, what if this is a situation where the middle ground approach doesn't actually solve anything?

    I wish I had even a smidgen of confidence that Obama had a clue what to do, but I don't.

    Mad Men (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by DancingOpossum on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 09:23:28 AM EST
    I'm disappointed in Season 3 so far.

    Picked up two miniatures and a needlework (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 12:15:40 AM EST
    piece, all purchased in India, from the framer tonight.  Truly beautiful.

    And "edited" a bunch of photos.  But--where did they disappear to?  So I posted the unedited versions.  Oh well.

    Although I am (none / 0) (#14)
    by JamesTX on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 12:18:14 AM EST
    a little confused about how taxing health insurance premiums is going to help with costs, I am no expert. But it seems the critters are up to their usual "solutions" to rising costs in trimming out the details -- make sure police officers are "shielded" and unaffected by whatever new misfortune we all face. After all, the most important thing in our country, the highest ethical calling, the most sacred principle of our laws, is that police officers are safe and comfortable. Yes, we must protect the officers at any cost. Be it threats from the Constitution, the victims, or even an innocent bystanders, the police officer's safety and comfort trumps all other concerns -- even justice. Here in the Lone Star State, when an incident makes the news, the first outcome reported is the status and well-being of the police officer, with others involved getting whatever air time might be left over.

    Now, in following that form, our critters want to be sure our police officers don't get stuck with any new medical taxes that might be coming down the pike for the rest of us, ostensibly due to the "risk" of their jobs. Evidently, even though police officering isn't actually a very dangerous job, and isn't much dangerous at all once you factor out the riskiest part (driving cars), the idea that these brave souls risk life and limb daily out of their love for us just won't let go -- especially when it's time for politicking and looking to have "traditional conservative values".

    If you remove the risk that comes from driving cars on the job, the safety of police officering comes in a little worse than newspaper publishers and a little better than gas station attendants, all of whom have it better than Farmers and ranchers, Garbage collectors, Roofers, Electrical power line installation/repair, Truck drivers, Oil and gas extraction, Taxi drivers, Drinking establishment employees, and Construction workers. I wonder if any of those people could use a tax shield?

    After all, let's make sure those police officers, who risk so much and place themselves in such incredible danger each day for us, get a free ride on health care taxes. Sounds good to me!

     

    Oral arguments on the dogfight video (none / 0) (#15)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 12:55:57 AM EST
    were supposedly quite lively:
    Justice Stephen G. Breyer asked about "stuffing geese for pâté de foie gras."

    [. . .]

    "Could you tell me what the difference is between these videos and David Roma's documentary on pit bulls?" Justice Sonia Sotomayor asked Mr. Katyal, referring to "Off the Chain," an exposé of dogfighting. "David Roma's documentary had much, much more footage on the actual animal cruelty than the films at issue here."

    Mr. Katyal responded that "the line will sometimes be difficult to draw."

    Justice Scalia said the law violates the First Amendment by treating speech condemning depictions of animals fighting more favorably than speech celebrating the fighting. Mr. Stevens's "message is that getting animals to fight is fun," Justice Scalia said.

    The hypothetical Human Sacrifice Channel came up late in the argument. Justice Alito described how it would work.

    "Suppose that it is legally taking place someplace in the world," he said. "I mean, people here would probably love to see it. Live, pay per view, you know, on the Human Sacrifice Channel."



    NPR had a long segment on the argument (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 01:01:00 AM EST
    with Nina.  Who passes and signs this stuff anyhow.  And why didn't the Solicitor Gen. step up to the plate to defend it.

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    I find the concept (none / 0) (#19)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 04:33:39 AM EST
    of making violent animal films repugnant - but I can't discern any way of crafting a law that would be effective based on NPR's coverage of this case.

    Selling dog fighting video recordings - how would that be different than a militant vegan video presentation of CAFO and slaughter house practices?

    (You need go no further than YouTube to find vids of dog fights.  The only key word you need is "dog".)

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    Illegal where? (none / 0) (#25)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 08:04:24 AM EST
    Only if it is real, or also if it is simulated?  How can you tell the difference?

    For this type of law to be effective and legal, it would have to be very well defined.  The idea that an act is "illegal" is incredibly broad.  If a documentary showed illegal acts to expose illegal livestock practices involving violence against animals - is that recording itself illegal?

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    There are exceptions in the statute (none / 0) (#34)
    by nycstray on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 09:08:53 AM EST
    I asked about that the other day as I know that footage is used for education, investigative, etc.

    Stevens (from my very uneducated in law understanding) is saying that his is an 'educational documentary'. Which actually is in the exceptions.

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    Ha! (none / 0) (#37)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 09:30:37 AM EST
    They left a loophole and he walked right through it.

    The law stinks as written.

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    Remember, my take is very simplistic :) (none / 0) (#38)
    by nycstray on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 09:55:05 AM EST
    here's the link Peter G gave me. I haven't had the brain power to read through and digest it all yet. I think Stevens could have also used "artistic expression" in his description of his "documentary".

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    Thanks. n/t (none / 0) (#41)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 12:01:02 PM EST
    Presidential seizure of cyberspace? (none / 0) (#17)
    by Jacob Freeze on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 01:26:59 AM EST
    Has anyone here seen this story, which Eric Sinrod reported on his excellent blog about legal developments surrounding technology and the internet?

    Aides to Senator Jay Rockefeller reportedly have been working recently on a revised draft Senate bill that would give the President broad powers in the event of a Cybersecurity emergency, and that apparently would go so far as allowing the President to temporarily seize control over computer networks in the private sector.

    Is this a new wrinkle, or just a small addition to what has already been reported?

    He just posted this today? (none / 0) (#43)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 09:42:03 PM EST
    That news is months old.

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    whining about now much (none / 0) (#27)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 08:36:04 AM EST
    "energy it took to make ship etc the new cars sold in the cash for clunkers deals"

    wtf
    do you not understand that the cars were already made and shipped and sitting in lots waiting to be sold?
    the cars sold were not made specifically for the c4c orders.  
    and
    it made it harder to get used cars?
    again.  wtf.
    do you honestly think there is a shortage of used cars in this country.

    I have been out of touch since last monday afternoon so just catching up and this stuff drives me nuts.

     

    It must be Winter... (none / 0) (#28)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 08:45:19 AM EST
    ...snow in the forecast for Denver tomorrow and Loveland is opening for the season today.  

    Their earliest opening in 40 years.  A-Basin is opening Friday.  If I was 25 years younger, I might well be slapping the rock skiis on the truck and heading up to take a few turns on the 18" of man-made powder.  Alas, the old knees won't take that kind of abuse anymore.  

    Wow, that is early (none / 0) (#31)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 08:52:21 AM EST
    Yeah, 15 years ago the younger guys I worked with would have been all over that action! I suspect even they are sitting this one out in their 'old' age.

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    Trying to get my wife to watch (none / 0) (#42)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 05:04:43 PM EST
    Matchstick Men with me, but the painfully politically correct woman (god love her, I wouldnt have her any other way), thinks the film mocks the mentally ill. We're talking about a woman who was outraged to see the Detroit Redwings fans cruelly throwing octopuses after the Redwings scored. She's beautiful.

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