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Here's a fantasy sports ethical question. Hypothetical - You have clinched the top spot in your fantasy football league. The team you want to avoid is fighting for the 2nd,3rd or 4th spot, but is definitely in the playoffs. Your team will play the 4th place team in the playoffs. In the last week of the regular season, you are playing the team you want to avoid in the playoffs. Is it ethical to throw the last game of the season to avoid playing that team in the first round of the playoffs?

Any resemblance to the actual situation in my FFL is purely coincidental. This is an Open Thread.

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    No gifts in cycling! (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Sui Juris on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:11:58 PM EST
    Oh, wait.  Wrong fantasy league.

    Heh (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:14:26 PM EST
    Did you see Lance's book? there is a picture where Contador is on his wheel and Lance has the caption - 'See? I did support him.' Funny as sh*t.
    I was going to write a fan shot at PdC about it.  

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    Lance was one of the people Anna Deavere (none / 0) (#51)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:34:01 PM EST
    Smith interviewed for her new one-woman show "Let Me Down Easy."  She clearly did not like or respect him.

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    Good for her (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:39:18 PM EST
    Wow (none / 0) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:26:18 PM EST
    I just saw the new Shack kit. Wow! Worst ever.

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    If team owner is traveling (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by nycstray on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:12:06 PM EST
    and forgets to reset their team and leaves in an injured player, a vacant position, crappy players, what's unethical about that?  ;)

    I've got the team I want in the first round, second round could be dicey though . . .

    Sh*t happens right? (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:18:47 PM EST
    so said the prosecutor, (none / 0) (#41)
    by cpinva on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:11:17 PM EST
    Sh*t happens right?

    who neglected to turn over exculpatory evidence to the defense, because the accused was a total scumbag, who should be in jail, for the public's safety, even if he's innocent of this crime.

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    If you need a lift (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by ruffian on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:48:40 PM EST
    I must extol the virtues of decluttering your home.  Coming home after traveling a lot in the last few weeks, my kitchen looked like a lunatic had decorated. Such a mishmash of motifs - flowers, fake leaves, and, for some reason, birds everywhere. When I got the bird obsession, I do not know.  I spent most of the weekend stripping it down to almost bare, and then putting back only a couple of things. It is so much more relaxing now. I didn't realize how annoying all the extra stimulation was becoming. In fact I think I will get out of work and go there now....

    I'm in the midst... (none / 0) (#31)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:54:31 PM EST
    ...of repainting my kitchen (having finally installed the new light fixture) and trust me, I'm not getting a lift out of that!

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    I resisted the temptation to paint (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by ruffian on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 08:33:43 PM EST
    that is too much like work!

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    Oh, that it is. (none / 0) (#92)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 09:26:34 PM EST
    Especially now that I have light again, I can see all the places on the ceiling that I missed before.  Ceiling painting is the suxor.

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    Nothing unethical about it... (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by kdog on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:16:14 PM EST
    from my view...but I might be concerned with karma biting you in the arse via an upset by the team you would rather face in Rd. 1...could be an argument to play your best squad as usual and come what may.

    Not to mention the team that you'd rather not face could always lay an egg in Rd. 1.

     

    Senate defeats (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:20:05 PM EST
    its version of the Stupak anti-abortion language 55-45.  Seven Dems voted for it, but amazingly, co-presidents Collins and Snowe crossed over and voted against it.

    Embarrassed to say (none / 0) (#89)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 09:18:15 PM EST
    I didn't remember that.  Well, good for them anyway.  There are I think other Republican senators who are pro-choice, aren't there, at least a couple?

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    So you'd only cheat in a FANTASY game, right? (none / 0) (#4)
    by allimom99 on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:14:56 PM EST


    How is it cheating? (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:18:21 PM EST
    Not breaking any rules.

    I do think it poses an ethical question. But it will not effect any other team's chances to make the playoffs, just the positioning.

    MY team and the one I want avoid seem to be the best, we have the most overall points. I'd rather not play them in the first round and hope they get knocked off.

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    which could obviously (none / 0) (#43)
    by cpinva on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:13:45 PM EST
    But it will not effect any other team's chances to make the playoffs, just the positioning.

    affect how they do during the playoffs.

    nice try, doesn't pass the smell test.

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    Sure (none / 0) (#47)
    by Steve M on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:16:34 PM EST
    but anything you do to improve your own chances of winning will, by definition, hurt someone else's chances of winning.  That's not a valid objection.  It's not a cooperative endeavor.

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    What would the "public ethicist" say? (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:17:39 PM EST
    He used to be on NPR frequently.  Who made him the public ethicist was always my question.

    Did not know there was a public ethicist (none / 0) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:19:17 PM EST
    What would he say I wonder . . .

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    Query: what happened to all the corner (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:19:08 PM EST
    newstands in Manhattan?  How can the NYT possibly remain viable w/o them?  Had to buy Sunday paper at Starbucks.  

    What part of town? (none / 0) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:19:37 PM EST
    51st and & 7th all the way to 41st and (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:27:14 PM EST
    Madison on last Sunday late morning to early afternoon.  But--same result on weekdays.  

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    Amazing (none / 0) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:33:00 PM EST
    Maybe the Arquillians are coming for the Galaxy on (none / 0) (#55)
    by steviez314 on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:47:17 PM EST
    Orion's Belt, and all the newstand owners bugged out.

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    MIB (none / 0) (#56)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:48:56 PM EST
    It's embarrassing to me that I got your reference.

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    Mountain bike? (none / 0) (#57)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:50:45 PM EST
    Men In Black (none / 0) (#65)
    by daring grace on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:16:23 PM EST
    the movie...

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    I saw that movie. Didn't make much of (none / 0) (#68)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:21:49 PM EST
    an impression I guess.

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    Much better in real life. (none / 0) (#77)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 07:00:16 PM EST
    Movies do overdramatize. My dog, when he talks, has a southern accent, and claims that the NY accent by the pug is just a put on.

    Oh-- I should think this and NOT type it, right?

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    Jeff, cut back on the painkillers, pronto! (none / 0) (#83)
    by Cream City on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 07:49:52 PM EST
    Do you have a rule in your league (none / 0) (#9)
    by coast on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:19:15 PM EST
    where you have to try to win the game?  Nothing unethical about throwing a game in a FF league.

    Nope (none / 0) (#12)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:20:03 PM EST
    No rule. Feels funny though.

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    Ask yourself this... (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:48:34 PM EST
    WWTTD? (What would Tim Tebow Do?)

    I think you know the answer to that.  Besides the crying part...

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    LOL (none / 0) (#29)
    by ruffian on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:50:50 PM EST
    I can see BTD with 'Pols are Pols' written under his eyes.

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    and the next day (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:02:15 PM EST
    having to defend hisself to the national media because he was insensitive toward Poland.....

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    Heh (none / 0) (#32)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:58:05 PM EST
    Times have changed. Men hug and cry. (none / 0) (#50)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:26:20 PM EST
    Ha! (none / 0) (#71)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:25:53 PM EST
    Look what it got Adam Morrison.

    With seconds left, the lead having slipped away, Morrison broke down in tears and collapsed to the court. He was eventually helped to his feet by opposing players.  He has been both criticized and praised for this unbridled show of emotion.

    There are no tears in football either.  

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    But he was still drafted 3rd. Do you think (none / 0) (#73)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:37:35 PM EST
    Tebow's tears will mess up his chances in the NFL draft?

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    Why should it? He'll just change his eye black to (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by steviez314 on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:40:14 PM EST
    John 11:35  And Jesus wept.

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    That verse got me a lot of candy (none / 0) (#81)
    by coast on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 07:36:56 PM EST
    when I was a kid and we would recite a verse in the bible for a piece of candy.  Shortest verse in the bible.

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    No... (none / 0) (#80)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 07:23:08 PM EST
    ...his only chance--tears or not--to be a 1st round draft choice is that Jacksonville takes a runner on the "local hero" in an effort to put some behinds in the seats.  

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    IMO (none / 0) (#13)
    by CST on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:21:47 PM EST
    Fantasy means "anything goes"

    Now I realize it's not fantasy in the purest sense since I assume it is on paper/a computer somewhere and there may be money at stake, but I think the use of the word implies a more loose definition of moral code.

    Here's the ehticist I was looking for (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:27:07 PM EST
    For example, was it unethical of a certain (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:28:53 PM EST
    pro golfer to text message his fantasy?

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    hmmm (none / 0) (#19)
    by CST on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:31:38 PM EST
    in that case I would say it was probably no longer just a fantasy.

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    Had this happen in my basketball league (none / 0) (#18)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:31:19 PM EST
    9 years ago.  I threw the game.  The potential 4th place team had a 4 game advantage on me in the first round of playoffs and I had spent the entire year in first place.  I called the commissioner and told him that I wanted to start 3 injured guys and he nixed it.  So I started the worst possible lineup (I think i benched David Robinson and someone else and started Luc Longley at center.)

    I still ended up finishing in second but the payout between 2 and 4 was about 200 bucks.  The owner i shafted to this day won't trade with me or even respond to my offers.  

    Every pro sport rests their starters before the playoffs when they can, why can't we?

    Heh (none / 0) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:33:41 PM EST
    Cannot focus on football. (none / 0) (#22)
    by lilburro on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:42:10 PM EST
    Must create the AAYP (American Association of Young Persons).  I have a lot of catching up to do though.

    Heh (none / 0) (#24)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:44:31 PM EST
    And sign me up . . . (none / 0) (#25)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:44:46 PM EST
    Will your org accept members from (none / 0) (#74)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:38:20 PM EST
    birth onward?

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    They could really grow their membership (none / 0) (#84)
    by Cream City on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 07:51:21 PM EST
    by inducting the preborn, too. . . .

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    Hey! (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by lilburro on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 12:23:12 AM EST
    The AAYP could be a force for good.  After all 1/3rd of the uninsured qualify for my org.  All we want is Medicare for All in exchange for mandates.  So much to ask?  But give us the preborn numbers and we'll set up a phone bank.... ;)

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    We just need to find out (none / 0) (#96)
    by lilburro on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 12:21:25 AM EST
    if your fingers are cheeto-stained.  BTD will undergo a long evaluation...

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    How about "young at heart." (none / 0) (#103)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 11:00:19 AM EST
    Just playing the game (none / 0) (#23)
    by ruffian on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:42:49 PM EST
    using all the rules at your disposal. I don't see anything wrong with it. It's not like you were keeping your regular line-up and then bribing the actual players to play poorly.

    Wait, you're not doing that, are you?

    Not yet (none / 0) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:45:03 PM EST
    The truel (like a duel but different) (none / 0) (#30)
    by Manuel on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:51:58 PM EST
    Remember this old puzzle?

    You are a 50% shot in a truel with two other shooters (one an 80% shot, the other a 100% shot).  You take turns one at a time shooting at one another.  As the poorest shot, you get to go first.  What is your best strategy?


    Best strategy (none / 0) (#33)
    by Spamlet on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:58:49 PM EST
    Shoot yourself.

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    Only a 50% chance of hitting yourself. (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:13:34 PM EST
    i would imagine (none / 0) (#34)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:01:02 PM EST
    you should shoot at the 80 first because the 80 will shoot the 100 because hitting you means nothing with her going next.  

    If you miss the 80, 80 must shoot 100.

    If 80 misses, 100 will take out 80 because you only have a 50/50 shot at hitting 100 and 100 saw you shoot already and ain't scared.  

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    I like that (none / 0) (#38)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:03:55 PM EST
    Indeed, you should probably, as the dueling parlance would have it - delope. Miss on purpose.

    Then 80 will take his shot at 100. If he misses, 100 will shoot at 80.

    And then you have your one 60% shot at winning by knocking out the last man standing.

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    Bingo (none / 0) (#62)
    by Manuel on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:13:59 PM EST
    But would it be ethical :-)

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    Other than shooting yourself (none / 0) (#35)
    by Spamlet on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:01:56 PM EST
    Take a shot at the 100 percent guy, and hope you miss.

    Then he takes a shot at the 80 percent guy and does not miss.

    That leaves you and Mr. 100 percent, and both of you have taken your shot.

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    you take out 100 (none / 0) (#40)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:06:51 PM EST
    and your odds are better against 80 so you have to go at 100 first.  It is highly likely 80 will hit 100 but in the event 80 misses, 100 gets 80.  

    Ideally you want as many shots as possible at 100 so your first should go there as that is one extra shot.  

    I would shoot at 80 and beg for mercy from 100....

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    or is it (none / 0) (#44)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:13:47 PM EST
    you miss 100
    80 hits 100
    you shoot 100 again and 80 takes notice that you never shot at 80?

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    Re fantasy football and throwing the game (none / 0) (#37)
    by scribe on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:03:22 PM EST
    think back a couple years to the Giants and the Pats having game 16 against each other on a Saturday night.  The Pats were going for an undefeated record and the Giants had their playoff spot locked up.

    The big discussion on NY sports talk radio and in the papers during the week preceding was whether Coughlin would play his regulars and for how long.  "They had nothing to gain" by playing all out, record-wise or standings-wise.

    IF you'll recall, the Giants played their brains out.  They didn't win, but they left a mark.  And, a month or so later, when those two teams met in the Super Bowl, playing as hard as they could paid off because they had identified  weaknesses (slight though they may have been) in the Pats.

    Draw the appropriate conclusion.

    You think I need to get fired up (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:04:41 PM EST
    in my roster picks?

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    he problem you are facing is the one which (none / 0) (#61)
    by scribe on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:13:22 PM EST
    comes from the unreality of fantasy football.  In fantasy football, you do not get (and cannot really model) the moral effects which would come (as to both teams) from one with "nothing to gain" deciding to dog it for the last game of the season.  All you're doing in fantasy is running the production of the various players through a mathematical algorithm to get a score.  

    So, if the rules of the game allow the conduct and the conduct is beneficial - in game terms - then you're a fool not to do it.  It's not like your star RB will be all demoralized from sitting out, or the first-round playoff opponent will be energized by whatever peceived or actual insult this week's dogging it may have communicated.

    A friend who spent entirely too much time beta-testing and playing those hexagon-mapsheet wargames notes that those games (particularly during beta) are full of unrealities created by the rules themselves, which lead ineluctibly to unreal conduct by the players.  A player notes the rules allow one to engage in a particular gambit - one which would never be done in real life for all sorts of reasons - and proceeds to throttle the opponent in ways that never would have taken place in real life.  Beta testing then involves kicking around both how the unreality came to be and, if it's desirable, how to fix the simulation to make it more real.  

    So long as fantasy football (or any other game) allows unrealistic conduct without the downside that the unreality brings (which is why the conduct is unrealistic in the first place), and a potential upside, that unreal conduct will take place.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#45)
    by Steve M on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:14:44 PM EST
    One solution that avoids this problem is that the #1 seed gets to pick his first-round opponent from any of the other playoff teams (or, more typically, from any of the playoff teams in the bottom half).  Then you don't have the same kind of gamesmanship as the season nears the end.

    As for the actual situation, seems to me you're perfectly entitled to try and get a better matchup.  In pro sports there are league rules against doing this because the fans aren't paying their money to watch a team try to lose.  (At most, a team can get away with being relatively indifferent to victory, as when they rest their starters.)  Don't see how any of that applies in fantasy sports.

    But the real answer, as the NBA found out, is that a structural solution (like what I suggested above, or a draft lottery) works much better than simply insisting that everyone do the right thing.

    Off topic. (none / 0) (#82)
    by coast on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 07:47:17 PM EST
    Took my son to see MSU play The Citadel last night.  There were a lot of MSU fans in the crowd (they stood for most of the game, must be a northern thing).  Izzo spoke to our B-ball booster club before the game.  Our coach requested the MSU players remain on the court after the game for the playing of our alma mater.  MSU and Citadel players all stood together.  Pretty impressive.  Izzo, the team, and the MSU fans showed a lot of class.  Appreciate your team coming to a small school in the south and letting my son see some big time B-ball players.

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    Back in my day (none / 0) (#88)
    by Steve M on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 09:07:21 PM EST
    we used to camp out all night for the back-row seats in the student section, so we could stand for the entire game.

    Glad your son had a good time.  Apparently MSU is in the habit of scheduling 3-for-1 deals with smaller schools and this was the 1 away game.  Also I'm told that when Izzo was in Kuwait visiting the troops, he decided it would be nice to schedule one of the military schools.

    I love Izzo, he is not only a great coach but a total class guy.  When I was in college he was still an assistant and everyone hoped the program would be better once he took over, but you never really know how things will work out...

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    that you even have to ask (none / 0) (#48)
    by cpinva on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:16:38 PM EST
    the question pretty much dictates the answer BTD. i believe intentionally losing a game, for whatever reason, is called fraud. clearly unethical.

    there's a reason it "feels funny" to you, because you know it's inherently wrong.

    LA County oks emergency loan (none / 0) (#58)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:00:20 PM EST
    to LA Opera.  Too big to fail.  LAT

    Our board of supervisors (none / 0) (#104)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 11:15:59 AM EST
    really are accountable to no one. Unless they get caught in a truly major scandal, they are supervisors for life.

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    Gatorade is dropping its "Tiger Woods" (none / 0) (#59)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:10:25 PM EST
    drink.  link

    I lose my bet (none / 0) (#86)
    by CoralGables on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 08:37:56 PM EST
    I was sure Cadillac would be first. Tiger endorsing an Escalade has to give Cadillac nightmares right now. Unless of course most Escalade sales go to men looking for a little side action in which case maybe he can still be a successful pitchman.

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    You haven't lost yet (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 09:20:19 PM EST
    This does apparently pre-date the crash by several days.  Apparently, the announcement was published in some trade journal that came out before Thanksgiving.

    Bet the Gatorade folks are just about fainting with relief they'd already decided to drop it.

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    Certainly does not seem to be a very good (none / 0) (#87)
    by ruffian on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 08:42:55 PM EST
    getaway car. They may lose that customer base.

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    Photo of Polanski and Sharon Tate (none / 0) (#60)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:12:09 PM EST
    sells at auction for $11,000.  Why?  (No, I am not providing link.)

    The Polanski Stimulus! (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Steve M on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:17:40 PM EST
    Same reason people gawk (none / 0) (#63)
    by scribe on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:14:38 PM EST
    as they pass by a car wreck.

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    It doesn't cost $11,000 to gawk at a (none / 0) (#64)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:15:44 PM EST
    car wreck.  Unless somebody rear ends you.

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    But it would cost far more (none / 0) (#90)
    by CoralGables on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 09:20:08 PM EST
    to buy Tiger's car. Even more if they leave it damaged than if it were to be repaired.

    You don't have to pay to gawk, but you do have to pay to own if that's your cup of tea.

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    Very talkative GM rep explained how (none / 0) (#93)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 09:32:58 PM EST
    the car was a loaner to Tiger Woods.  GM will get it fixed and then auction it--not on ebay.

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    I presume you've seen (none / 0) (#94)
    by CoralGables on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 09:50:24 PM EST
    that Elin has purchased a home on a Swedish island. To the best of my knowledge there is no Cadillac that drives on water. Tiger may have to sign up with Chris-Craft or Donzi.

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    Smart lady. With any kind of luck there (none / 0) (#95)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 10:47:34 PM EST
    will be no cable TV or internet connection.

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    Sounds unethical, (none / 0) (#69)
    by NYShooter on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:25:26 PM EST
    yet there's the old "knee-down" in the last minutes of a football game.

    And Ali's "Rope-a-Dope" where he wasn't aggressively fighting, just trying to wear ole George out.


    Same story, different year (none / 0) (#70)
    by scribe on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:25:36 PM EST
    Kid accepts dare, licks metal fence post.  His buddies ditch him.  

    Firemen come with hot water and free him.

    This year, it was in Boise....

    Was the kid (none / 0) (#99)
    by jbindc on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 07:46:27 AM EST
    Triple Dog Dared?

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    Of course, in real sports... (none / 0) (#72)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:35:23 PM EST
    ... you never want to do that, because you insult your prospective opponent, and your team can lose momentum by not playing to win. But in fantasy, not so much. It really just comes down to whether you can live with feeling like an ass if you wind up losing to the team you connived to play against. But the object of the game is to win the money, so whatever gets you closest to that goes, I think.

    Take a dive (none / 0) (#76)
    by Dadler on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:48:37 PM EST
    It's no different than similar situations in fantasy baseball I've been in. When, say, you have ERA and WHIPS locked up for the week and you sit all your pitchers, relievers included, to insure a win. Or even when you just decide not to carry a closer and you are conceding an entire category every week.

    It's all about the post-season, right?

    BTD (none / 0) (#100)
    by jbindc on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 07:47:26 AM EST
    You're in to win, right?  It's not against the rules, so what's the problem.

    No one remembers second place....

    WH asks court to dismiss suit against Yoo (none / 0) (#101)
    by jbindc on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 08:43:59 AM EST
    Link

    The Obama administration has asked an appeals court to dismiss a lawsuit accusing former Bush administration attorney John Yoo of authorizing the torture of a terrorism suspect, saying federal law does not allow damage claims against lawyers who advise the president on national security issues.

    Such lawsuits ask courts to second-guess presidential decisions and pose "the risk of deterring full and frank advice regarding the military's detention and treatment of those determined to be enemies during an armed conflict," Justice Department lawyers said Thursday in arguments to the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco.

    Other sanctions are available for government lawyers who commit misconduct, the department said. It noted that its Office of Professional Responsibility has been investigating Yoo's advice to former President George W. Bush since 2004 and has the power to recommend professional discipline or even criminal prosecution.

    The office has not made its conclusions public. However, The Chronicle and other media reported in May that the office will recommend that Yoo be referred to the bar association for possible discipline, but that he not be prosecuted.



    Dennis Kneale (none / 0) (#102)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 09:01:13 AM EST
    predictions for 2010......

    "The president will suffer a setback in the mid-term elections. The Democrats will lose seats in both the House and Senate. The good news--this will force Bam back to the middle, and that would help the markets."

    The market stinks because of Obama.....

    Should Nike drop him? (none / 0) (#105)
    by jondee on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 11:46:21 AM EST
    The question is, should he and everyone else drop that outsourcing, sweatshop running, child labor promoting epitome of not-our-responsibility market-driven morality.

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