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(TL): It's Dancing With Stars and "24" night. What are you watching? And if you aren't watching anything, what are you doing instead?

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    I'm nursing a bleeding nose - have had horrible (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Angel on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 09:46:52 PM EST
    allergies since last week.  Took Mucinex for a few days to try to get rid of the drainage and here I am with a nose too dry.  Ugh.  I'm also playing with my puppies who know their mommy is not feeling so hot, they're trying to make me feel better.  I'm also trying to stay away from my IM because people are looking for me!  

    Working on finishing (5.00 / 4) (#18)
    by shoephone on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 09:54:58 PM EST
    my first paid writing gig.

    Then it's on to the terrorism, espionage and intrigues of "24".

    Congrats, Shoephone n/t (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 09:59:22 PM EST


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    Thank you! (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by shoephone on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 10:06:09 PM EST
    After looking really hard for months, this thing just sort of landed in my lap.

     

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    Congratulations - (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Anne on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 10:36:17 PM EST
    happy to hear that excellent writing ability, to which those who read your posts at evergreen politics had the good fortune to be treated, is being rewarded.

    Here's hoping it's only the first of many!

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    Congrats David Letterman (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by BarnBabe on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 10:23:42 PM EST
    After 23 years with his girlfriend and Mother of Harry, they tied the knot in Montana. I guess they were not sure. Heh. Best wishes for a happy marriage.

    Went to my local school board (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by oldpro on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 01:52:23 AM EST
    meeting tonight to watch five of the dimmest bulbs in the elected universe close down a perfectly good school which isn't even paid for yet, to save money by putting kids in an older, more worn down school and some crummy portables.

    No, it wasn't the only 'savings' choice on their plate.

    After waffling and weaving, some members announced their vote as "support for the superintendent," after pressuring him to recommend from among the choices he showed them.  Some said maybe it would be temporary.  Riiight.

    Vermont senate (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by CST on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 10:06:29 AM EST
    voted for full gay marriage legalization today - they already had civil unions.  It is expected to pass the house, although they may have to over-ride a veto from the gov. - it looks like the margin is large enough in the senate to do so, we'll see about the house.

    If it passes, VT will be the first state to legislate gay marriage rather than have the courts mandate it.  Glad to see politicians stepping up to the plate.

    Wolof Block goes poof (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 08:28:56 PM EST
    Story here:

    It's a big Philly firm.

    Ahem, *Wolf Block (none / 0) (#2)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 08:29:25 PM EST
    Better if I could spell, no?

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    Hmmm (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 08:34:00 PM EST
    The financial situation did not look dire based on that article. A rather strange decision.

    Wolf Block had a pretty strong brand name.

    A perplexing decision given the info provided in the article.

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    Equity Partners supposedly (none / 0) (#4)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 08:37:35 PM EST
    didn't want to subsidize the rest of the business anymore. Maybe they personally made lots of bad real estate investments.

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    Though I have to admit (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 08:39:29 PM EST
    that the economics of BIGLAW perplexes me just a bit.

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    NY Lawyer said earlier (none / 0) (#11)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 09:29:48 PM EST
    today that 75% of partners required to vote for dissolution; they must know something we don't. THe vote came on the heels of Wolf Block's failed attempts to merge with another firm.  I think Wolf Block was struggling in its attempts to go national as compared with other Philly based firms, such as Dechert & Morgan Lewis that have fared far better at growth and profitability.

     

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    What I hear (none / 0) (#14)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 09:33:42 PM EST
    is that their big business was real estate. And yes, they tried to merge with Cozen, which many people are snootily dismissive of because it's fairly new.

    But if what you say is true, then there's another shoe waiting to drop.

    If there's a law bubble, I'd prefer that it burst now, rather than in a few years. . .

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    Law bubbles have been bursting (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 09:59:40 PM EST
    all over the place.

    Several firms out of business, others firing lawyers and staff.  In Feb of this year in NY, 4,200 lawyers and staff at firms lost their jobs.  Before mid-way through March, same number lost their jobs.  And this does not count all the layoffs of real estate and real estate securitization lawyers early in 2008, and layoffs later in 2008 following public acknowledgment of the credit crisis in Sept., and sizeable layoffs in Jan. 2009.  I read somewhere that more professional than blue collar jobs have been lost, but the jobs to be created by the stimulus bill are primarily blue collar jobs.  And before I'm lambasted for being a snob, I'm NOT saying professionals are more worthy of job assistance than blue collar works, just reporting where the layoffs and potential new jobs are.  
    And...I understand enrollment in law schools is up!  Go figure?

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    Gosh, Andgarden, (none / 0) (#22)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 10:03:30 PM EST
    two "5" ratings in one evening.  You're spoiling me!

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    Oops. ;-) (none / 0) (#24)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 10:06:50 PM EST


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    Well, from the look on George Bush's (none / 0) (#6)
    by Anne on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 08:50:44 PM EST
    face on the sidebar, it really is shocking news (I'm sorry, but I have had a chuckle every time I've seen that photo today, juxtaposed against post titles and comments; the big gun has been a little startling, too!).

    Seriously, this is the kind of news that will send more chills up the spines of lawyers everywhere.  And up the spines of those who support lawyers in these big firms.

    I think, to some extent, firms that were riding that big wave and got top-heavy are trimming the fat and getting lean to get through the hard times.

    Firms that didn't get carried away are probably much better-positioned to ride out the storm.

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    That gun is a tad disturbing! (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by nycstray on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 09:17:26 PM EST


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    What am I doing instead? (none / 0) (#7)
    by Demi Moaned on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 09:14:36 PM EST
    Catching up on my blog reading backlog.

    Watched DWTS (none / 0) (#8)
    by nycstray on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 09:16:19 PM EST
    and am putzin' around because my head is spinning from either allergies/weather or beginning of a cold/sinus infection . . . . or both, lol!~

    Also trying to figure out why my dog is feeling so insecure today. She's been surrounding herself with and clutching her "comfort stuffies"* all day. It's been like that since I woke up and found her sleeping on, around, clutching 3 this morning. I have a huge beef bone (with about 2lbs of meat on it) that I'm going to give her to see if that helps de-stress her . . .  In other words, I'm having one of those "Why can't pets just talk?!" days . . .

    * comfort stuffies are stuffed animals that have chamomile and other calming herbs in them vs the "regular" ones.

    Big Winds (none / 0) (#26)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 10:10:55 PM EST
    And your allergies/spinning head, could be why the dog is clutching comfort.

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    I'm hoping like heck it's the winds and (none / 0) (#34)
    by nycstray on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 10:33:21 PM EST
    the temp doing 30 degree bounces. For both of us!

    Dot's enjoying her "bone" though. That pic is her beginning approach. She's now in tear it up and destroy mode :) I looked at the tag on it again and it's a 3-4lber, so she has a ways to go . . .  . I gave it to her frozen as it takes more "work". Which is good for relieving stress. Me, I had to break down and take an OTC head medicine :(

    Thankfully, the cats are oblivious to all that's going on, lol!~

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    WOW! That is some bone! (none / 0) (#36)
    by Anne on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 10:40:23 PM EST
    As for your sinuses, I can only offer my sympathies.  I had a really nasty cold that settled in my sinuses and made me miserable - I think it was a good 2 weeks before I really felt like myself again.

    Also, as someone who suffers from migraines, I can attest to changes in weather, particularly the barometric pressure, being a trigger for a whopping headache.

    Feel better!

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    She's diggin' it! (none / 0) (#38)
    by nycstray on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 10:56:16 PM EST
    She's raw fed, so used to meat and bone meals, but the BIG ones still fall in the "special" category for her. For me, I know she's "working it out". She's an abuse case (can you say emaciated?), so meals count, but big "bones" ROCK!

    All I can say for my sinuses and dizziness, at least I work at home! There's nothing worse than having to stand on a subway platform, much less walk along one, with a dizzy sinus head. The barometric pressure also gets to me through my swimmers ears. We should be hitting a more "level" weather pattern soon . . .  looking at the weekly forecast, we have a few days towards the end of he week. Im going to try and make it to the botanical gardens with my camera. Which totally cracks me up. Let's serve up some pollen while our head is going through the spring change, lol!~

    lordy, my head is SO loopy right now!

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    While I was in the throes of that cold (none / 0) (#39)
    by Anne on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 11:02:12 PM EST
    and sinus mess, I was also cleaning out my aunt's house, and unleashing all kinds of dust and mold and mildew and general funk, which only made things worse.

    I hate that feeling of being underwater, with the distorted sound from clogged ears plus the pressure that makes you want to punch holes in your head to get some relief.

    The OTC sinus stuff just made me unable to work up a spit and didn't do a whole lot for the head gunk; I spent a lot of time in a hot shower with water beating on my face, or lying down with the sinus mask on - that seemed to help a lot.

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    1/2 hour in the shower today (none / 0) (#41)
    by nycstray on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 11:30:35 PM EST
    helped. My eyes have been bothering me, so that clues me it's allergies and weather adding a hit.I'm also guilty of doing some 'deep" cleaning (closets for starters), so I'm sure I stirred up some allergens. I'm torn between wanting allergies over a cold/sinus infection, lol!~ In the past, allergies went on and colds passed. But since I got the dog, she's reduced my allergies quite a bit. She's kinda like allergy shots, always carrying a bit of pollen, etc.

    I only bought one of those 2 pill packs of OTC and took them a couple hours apart tonight. I just wanted to reduce the symptoms. If I can get a handle on it in the next couple days (if it's not something I "caught"), then I can move through the allergy season. I could deal with most of the symptoms, but the dizziness/head issue just doesn't work for me.

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    Zyrtec is all that works for me (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 11:38:57 PM EST
    aside from regular Benadryl. Both produce varying degrees of drowsiness.

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    I bought some Benadryl (none / 0) (#47)
    by nycstray on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 11:50:30 PM EST
    It works well for me overnight. I find if I can control it during the sleep hours, I'm that much better off during the day.

    I've been taking it since I was a child. I have this bad habit of not acknowledging my allergies, but have gotten better at it as an adult :) I haven't tried Zyrtec. I'm kinda afraid* of the new OTC drugs . . . .

    *note, I only wiegh about 105-110 lbs, so I'm leary of most OTC meds :)

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    I think "new" is somewhat relative (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 11:54:57 PM EST
    Zyrtec has been in regular use around the world since the 1980s IIRC. I think you can take a 5mg child's dose if you're worried.

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    Thanks :) (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by nycstray on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 12:24:54 AM EST
    I actually never heard of it until the commercials. Prob partly from years of no insurance and not going to a doc for allergies, and Benadryl had become a "go to".

    I can see myself trying a child's dose. One of the things that freaks me out about OTC meds are the time released 24/7 ones. I'm sure that's partly what keeps me in the old school, doesn't alter me too much ones :) I can't imagine taking some of the 24/7 OTC drugs, as they would be "stuck" in my system.

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    Btw, before they were OTC (none / 0) (#68)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 04:00:47 PM EST
    is when my doc prescribed Claritin, and then prescribed Zyrtec.  And he still does, as they're cheaper with my prescription coverage than they are OTC; go figure U.S. health care coverage (heck, it costs me so much, this is the rare upside of it).

    And I have personal health variables that can mean problematic interactions.  Sounds like you do, too, so you can just see what the doc -- or, often, the very wise pharmacist upon whom the doc also counts -- would advise in terms of giving these a try.  Also, as I have learned to take charge of my health as much as I can, check the FDA.gov site for info on tests, interactions, etc.; I sometimes have been the one to tip off the doc to the oddities I can incur, as no test would find a group of middle-aged people with my particular mix of other variables.

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    Zyrtec works great for me (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 12:21:09 AM EST
    with no drowsiness.  If you're not up to that level of allergy yet, though, try Claritin, which also worked well for me for years until the allergies upped.

    Also, for nondrowsiness in the daytime, some can take Motrin Sinus.  That was the best ever for me -- until I got high blood pressure, when Motrin becomes a no-no.  That's when I went to Claritin . . . and then, after some years, the doc had to up me to Zyrtec.  (Unfortunately, I'm in one of the states with the highest allergy levels -- but it also means with lots of allergists to help us.:-)

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    Wow Great Pic (none / 0) (#51)
    by squeaky on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 12:21:01 AM EST
    Serious bone. What is it?

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    Beef :) (none / 0) (#55)
    by nycstray on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 12:34:50 AM EST
    I'm guessing by the look of the bone in the meat it's the leg above the knee.

    I just order "cut parts" in weight groups. Usually, if I order med-large in the 3-5lb range, I get more than one bone. My fav is when they give me the knee joint surrounded by all that's good. Dot chews it down to the bone and then runs around playing with the movable joint, lol!~ You get a meal and a toy all in one ;)

    I order parts that freak me out for both the cats and dog. Tongs come in handy. And I think my youngest cat (3yrs) has finally learned chicken feet and other body parts are NOT appreciated in the bed, lol!~

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    Nice (none / 0) (#56)
    by squeaky on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 12:38:13 AM EST
    Looks like a section above the knee. Lucky dog..

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    She's down to the bone now (none / 0) (#57)
    by nycstray on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 12:45:44 AM EST
    and it looks like she has the ball part and above of the knee. If it's the ball part of the hip, it was a very young cow, from my fading memory of up close cow size :)

    I gotta tell ya, it's one heck of a good sized bone. I wouldn't hesitate to give it to a larger dog than her. (she's close to 50lbs)

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    You can also buy them smoked (none / 0) (#66)
    by scribe on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 01:50:06 PM EST
    and with a bit of barbeque flavoring, too.  But that shank portion ... you could feed a family with tafelspitz from that.

    These are guaranteed to cause a near riot in my house, which is why we stick with the kneecaps - those can be gnawed on until gone....  

    And you should've seen the look of "I love you.  You're the best human ever." I got this morning when I let her lick out the empty half-pint carton that had held heavy cream.  There was nothing except very shiny, clean waxed cardboard left when she got done.

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    Ah, cream cartons :) (none / 0) (#69)
    by nycstray on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 04:34:56 PM EST
    Dot usually gets all cartons and anything else (safe) that can be cleaned out. I'm a sucker for that "I love you.  You're the best human ever." look :) A couple of my cats don't like to share, so it's become just easier to give the dog all the goodies. Not that the cats are deprived mind you. I do have a bag  full of raw chicken feet for them . . . {shudder}

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    13-3 (none / 0) (#10)
    by Turkana on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 09:24:52 PM EST
    for my sweet sixteen. only one of my elite 8 is gone. none after.

    AIG exect to pay back bonuses (none / 0) (#12)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 09:31:49 PM EST
    according to Anderson Cooper.

    That's all I can tell you right now.

    Not all of them (none / 0) (#48)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 11:53:52 PM EST
    Something like 9 of the top 10 and 15 of the top 20 are giving every last dime back.  Not clear about the others, but so far it amounts to I think $30 million.

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    Not enough. (none / 0) (#50)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 12:03:10 AM EST
    Just not enough. Do they think they are fooling us?

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    55 of the total (none / 0) (#52)
    by Amiss on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 12:21:02 AM EST
    were in the London branch. That 80 million is long gone, if I understood correctly.

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    All or nothing (none / 0) (#58)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 01:43:14 AM EST
    It's very problematic that anyone is keeping a bonus if others can't/don't.

    I hardly think they were convinced to return the money without a promise for raises, or some other method, that will give it right back to them.

    Of course, the bonuses that went to people who don't work there are long gone.

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    Spent the day (none / 0) (#16)
    by CoralGables on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 09:37:14 PM EST
    watching 10 hours of a just completed Miami-Dade County Commission meeting. The Florida Marlins, soon to be the Miami Marlins, were just approved for a new retractable roof stadium on the site of the once famous and now gone Orange Bowl.

    The City of Miami (none / 0) (#30)
    by CoralGables on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 10:18:54 PM EST
    is giving the land under which the stadium will be parked. The new name comes with the deal. I don't know if the new name starts prior to the new stadium opening or on opening day 2012 which is when they expect it to be ready to play ball. (I suspect the Miami-Dade County Marlins wasn't a viable option)

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    Wasn't the minor league team (none / 0) (#33)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 10:31:43 PM EST
    the Miami Marlins?

    Nothing wrong with recycling the name, long as they aren't the AIG marlins, or in Chase Field.

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    Your memory is good (none / 0) (#40)
    by CoralGables on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 11:20:18 PM EST
    They were once a AAA team and years later a single A team for the Orioles where they played in the now gone Miami Stadium, a cantilever stadium built in 1949.

    I was once there on "family night" in the 80's when a brawl broke out including bat throwing. Gotta love family night.

    The "Miami Marlins" was the overwhelming choice of the local population for the new name when Miami was granted a franchise. Better late than never.

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    The first Spring Training game (none / 0) (#42)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 11:31:04 PM EST
    I ever attended was at that stadium. I was and am a big Orioles fan.

    Ahhh, what a place. My girlfriend at the time was from Miami. She was afraid to go to the stadium. Was it in Libety City, or something?

    We went, had a great time, and there was no damage to the car or anybody else (her family was from Connecticut. they were afraid of the 'element' in the neighborhod. I am glad we didn't get married!).

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    Technically (none / 0) (#45)
    by CoralGables on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 11:42:07 PM EST
    it was in the neighborhood known as Allapattah which isn't the best of areas, mostly industrial and empty at night. I was just sitting here trying to remember how to drive there and had to go to mapquest to refresh my memory. All I could remember was next to the railroad tracks.

    Not long after the bat throwing family night, there was a shooting in the stands up behind home plate. It was all downhill from there.

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    sigh. (none / 0) (#46)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 11:47:59 PM EST
    I miss Miami from the 70's and '80s. Don't know if it's better or worse. I loved it. I remember a little walk up food place on Key Biscayne called "The Oasis." The chicken with rice and black beans was spectacular.

    Also, all of the little strip-mall Cuban and Caribbean food places...

    Before I die, I want to eat Conch Fritters again.

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    Have you seen... (none / 0) (#64)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 10:24:03 AM EST
    the documentary "Cocaine Cowboys" jeff?  I think you'd dig it if you like 70/80's Miami...it will be like a time machine for ya.

    I lived in Pompano up in Broward in the late 90's for awhile...I loved hangin' out in Coconut Grove and hittin' Little Havana for the cafe con leche....good memories.

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    Ben Smith reports (none / 0) (#21)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 10:03:00 PM EST
    that Jim Clyburn will be running the Dem Primary reform commission.

    Awesome. I'm sure we'll have real reform.

    First reform: (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by lilburro on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 10:14:35 PM EST
    "As in our most recent primary I, Jim Clyburn, must in all subsequent primaries attract tons of media attention."

    Second reform..

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    Caught up on my Colbert Report. (none / 0) (#27)
    by lilburro on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 10:11:49 PM EST
    I haven't had a TV for a few months so I guess that's not technically true, but I watched a few recent episodes.  I can't believe I've made it through the past three weeks without it ><  It's nice to have some humor about these things, as the financial crisis is so patently absurd sometimes, and still the government rolls with it like everything is A-OK.

    Just heard a wonderful (none / 0) (#32)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 10:31:40 PM EST
    Concert; Gergiev, Feltsman, LSO, all Prokofiev.

    Reading "Tear Down This Myth" (none / 0) (#37)
    by imhotep on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 10:47:26 PM EST
    by Will Bunch about the efforts of Grover the Norquist and team to build a fantasy about the Raygun years.

    In "horrible allergies" (none / 0) (#43)
    by otherlisa on Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 11:37:45 PM EST
    and respiratory infection club...and enjoying a very good baseball game - Japan vs. Korea for the championship of the World Baseball Classic. Some really great defensive baseball, exciting stuff.

    I'm losing a neighbor (none / 0) (#60)
    by CST on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 09:24:58 AM EST
    Obama's Aunt is probably gonna be deported.

    I wonder why her asylum request was denied.  It does seem to be arbitrarily applied to some countries over others.

    Also, Geithner wants "unprecedented new regulatory powers ... to seize financial institutions whose failure would pose serious risks to the U.S."

    that sounds like "pre-emptive nationalization" from a guy who won't bite the bullet on "post-emptive nationalization".  Weird.

    Obama's Aunt (none / 0) (#61)
    by sj on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 09:41:51 AM EST
    Obama said he has not been involved in her case and that it should run its ordinary course

    That whole situation is just weird on so many levels.  The apparent estrangement, the distancing from her situation, all of it.

    He is in no way responsible for her actions, but that is a very disinterested formal response.

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    yea (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by CST on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 10:10:44 AM EST
    the whole thing is weird.  I wonder if the government would've noticed/cared if she wasn't someone's Aunt.

    It's a weird response on his part too, a bit too much of a political response for a family matter.  But I am wary of judging familial matters - especially since an outsider will never get the whole picture.  Maybe he helped her and doesn't wanna say anything - maybe he has his reasons for not helping - maybe he just doesn't care.  There's really no way of knowing.

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    So, so strange, for sure (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 01:53:56 PM EST
    "My nephew is the President of the United States, and all I got was deported."

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    Okay, now that cracked me up (none / 0) (#70)
    by sj on Wed Mar 25, 2009 at 10:22:09 AM EST


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    Don'tch think this Tebow thing (none / 0) (#65)
    by scribe on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 01:43:35 PM EST
    has gone just a bit too far?

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