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    Two things I would really like to stop (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by vml68 on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 04:02:22 PM EST
    reading and hearing about.....Octomom and Michelle Obama's biceps!

    Maybe you'll get your wish re #1. (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 04:05:32 PM EST
    Her latest publicist just quit.

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    War (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Jlvngstn on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 04:07:56 PM EST
    How come we are not seeing nightly the cost of the wars and the cause/effect relationship with investing in war versus our people?  There is no question at this point that any of the objectives of the war save for the killing of saddam were accomplished.

    Depending on who you believe we have spent a half trillion to a trillion.  We strengthened Iran's position in the ME and tens of thousands military professionals will end up carrying the baggage of ptsd, fractured families and long term disabilities.

    A half trillion or trillion towards jobs or foreclosures would be a tremendous help to our citizens.  

    Remember when Mr. Rumsfeld said that it would cost 56-60 billion?

    Don't lose your will to fight, fight when you have lost your will.

    Anyone seen Will?

    'Cause they don't want us thinking about (none / 0) (#13)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 04:20:47 PM EST
    Iraq anymore.

    Wasn't the demise of Saddam an afterthought that made it look like going over there was a good idea even though there never were WMDs?

    I thought we were staying until the construction of the new embassy was completed in the green zone. Actually, I thought we were trying to get a military base built, but the truth isn't something we've gotten from the WH since January 2001.

    Besides, how can you possibly believe this is more important news that the details of the all wood swingset Barack and Michelle spent so much time selecting and having installed in the back yard?

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    they got a swingset? (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by Jlvngstn on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 04:37:58 PM EST
    and a dog, and a sleeveless dress?  Hadn't heard that.  

    Critical, analytical thinking is almost lost with MSM.  Hell, we couldn't wait to brag about how the USSR went into near bankruptcy with the Afghanistan war and yet here we are.....

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    So Much Time? (5.00 / 0) (#17)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 04:46:18 PM EST
    Besides, how can you possibly believe this is more important news that the details of the all wood swingset Barack and Michelle spent so much time selecting and having installed in the back yard?

    Is this a new right wing meme? I had only read about the swingset once and certainly there was nothing about the Obama's spending a lot of time deciding on the details of it.

    Google hits on Obama White House Swingset is 263,000

    Cost of Iraq war 20,400,000

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    I read it on Yahoo news (none / 0) (#18)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 04:50:32 PM EST
    The swingset came from someplace in North Dakota, I believe. The article was quite detailed about both B & M very involved in the selection and planning for getting it installed before the girls got home from school that day, then all four of the Obama's went running out to play on it as soon as the girls got home from school.

    I saw another article later that very carefully tried to point out that they paid for it themselves. :)

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    OK (2.00 / 5) (#21)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 05:09:26 PM EST
    So you think that that was a waste of time, and that Obama spent more time and energy on it than he does at his job?

    Do you think that the president should not have a family, or spend anytime providing for them or thinking about things like a swingset?

    Are you suggesting that Obama have an assistant deal with all things relating to his children (absentee dad) because they are getting in the way of his job?

    Or is this the latest right wing talking point?

    For me it was a very sweet story that made Obama more human. I saw one article on it, but then again I am not one of the regular commenters here that think Obama is lazy or using his kids to distract me from the issues at hand.

    Using the wooden swingset to bash Obama seems really low to me.

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    Such a typical bash, Squeaky (5.00 / 4) (#22)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 05:14:21 PM EST
    the topic of this little thread was the media. The media was busy reporting this stuff instead of the cost of Iraq. But, you go ahead and twist everything said so you can start some kind of petty little side battle.

    You're on your own. I've got better places to be this afternoon.


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    BS (2.00 / 1) (#26)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 05:23:44 PM EST
    This was not a major story. And it was quite newsworthy, imo. With all the horror stories about the economy war and world unrest, I enjoyed this little breath of fresh air as a story.

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    Squeaky, what is really low (5.00 / 6) (#23)
    by vml68 on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 05:18:22 PM EST
    is accusing Inspector G of things he/she did not say. His/her point seems to be that the media is focused on giving us these fluff stories rather than discussing subjects we really ought to be talking about.

    Using the wooden swingset to bash Obama seems really low to me.



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    No (2.00 / 1) (#27)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 05:26:48 PM EST
    IMO, inspector gadget exaggerated the importance of this story big time. The premise was false, and suggested that not only the MSM was not doing their job, but neither was Obama.

    The MSM is an utter failure as a rule. This story was hardly an example of their failure.

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    I disagree with you (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by sj on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 05:52:28 PM EST
    While (thankfully) this is not being discussed today, it was indeed all over the "news" last week for two days that I know of.  Oh, and also for the first time in nine years Oprah will share the cover of O magazine.

    It's a totally valid criticism.  It is far from the worst failure of the corporate media, but it's a perfectly valid example.

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    OK (2.00 / 1) (#31)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 06:02:48 PM EST
    A certain amount of ignorance is the price I must pay for not having a teevee. The story was a big hit with the Right wing bashing Obama.

    Anyway I think that the story is newsworthy, and I am touched by the parenting he and Michele are modeling.

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    I saw a picture (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Steve M on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 08:40:40 PM EST
    I thought it looked like an awesome swingset.  Those are two very lucky and very cute little girls.

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    You might want to consider your ignorance (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by nycstray on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 09:41:59 PM EST
    before you start putting down other people's comments, especially when media related . . .

    I'm frankly sick of stories about how great of parents they are. The Bushes love their daughters, the Clintons love theirs etc. You'd think this was the first public couple to ever be in love OR love their children. And I spend most of my time on programing that relates to food, environment and animals these days, lol!~  

    Anyone know if that swing set was made from sustainable materials and/or with an affordable price tag? {grin}

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    Love (4.00 / 1) (#35)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 10:00:29 PM EST
    The Bushes love their daughters, the Clintons love theirs...

    Its not a competition, imo. Never too much love. It is good to see.
    Even without having a teevee, I do not have a problem with the MSM reporting the love, even if they are only doing it to get rich.

    And besides, I am not sure why anyone would own a teevee to begin with.

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    I wouldn't mind if they didn't approach it (5.00 / 4) (#36)
    by nycstray on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 10:09:51 PM EST
    like we "finally!" have a decent family in the WH. That's the part I find disgusting, not so much the Obama's family life or "normal" reporting on it. The gushing has reached puke level, imo. And the dismissal of the past loving families.

    TeeVee means baseball and football! I also enjoy some of the information and entertainment in between ;) Working at home, it's also good for pacing. The sports would be hard for me to give up. I like watching great play, not just listening to  it. The rest of it, not so married to it.

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    Oh Yeah (4.00 / 1) (#37)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 10:19:46 PM EST
    I have only read one AP article, Not sure what they are getting about the "finally" part. All I can say is that it is new to think of there being young kids at the WH.

    The reaction of the kids was perfect, imo. They love action, physical play. It is a good metaphor for the country.

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    It isn't THAT new (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by sj on Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 01:01:06 AM EST
    Having young kids at the White House.  Amy Carter was 9.  Caroline Kennedy was 4 and John Kennedy Jr was an infant.  Chelsea Clinton was 12.  That was only one Presidency ago.

    That was nycstray's point, I think.

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    Yeah, In News Cycle Terms It Really Is New (none / 0) (#43)
    by daring grace on Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 12:09:16 PM EST
    Chelsea Clinton at 12 was one president ago, but also 16-17 years ago...That's a long time for collective memory.

    I think the Obamas are enjoying the novelty of a new First Family after eight years which we usually see when the leadership changes. And we're in a time of stress in the country when many people enjoy hearing/seeing a 'young' family in the White House.

    Sure, it gets cloying at times, but that's the media for you.

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    I wonder if the way to help the gov't (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 04:53:02 PM EST
    make a decision on Citigroup, Bank of America, and the other major troubled banks is for the depositors to move their checking and savings accounts to one of the many small community banks that are doing things right. You know, the ones that don't have corporate jets and multi-million dollar executives.

    Leave them sitting there without customers or money and let the gov't we decided how to handle this banking crisis ourselves.


    Amen to that.... (none / 0) (#42)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 09:01:27 AM EST
    If Citi and BOA are too big too fail, lets downsize the mofos to a fail-able level.

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    My ode to work (5.00 / 0) (#24)
    by CST on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 05:18:27 PM EST
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKNKVzVAqUk

    Mainly just the chorus of the last half.

    I know I should be greatful to be employed right now, and I am.  But man does Monday bite.  Especially when 4 of your friends were given the can on Friday.  And all the people you hate are still left.

    I hope no one from work reads my computer - but then again, if they did, I'd probably already be gone.

    Obama and science (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by Dr Molly on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 05:43:07 PM EST
    Just listened to Obama's remarks at stem cell signing - extremely good, in my opinion. It wasn't so much the way he spoke about stem cell research and its potential; it was the way he spoke about science itself - that it should be distinct from politics and morality, that only science can fulfill hopes about cures and progress, that science needs much more federal support to move forward in this country, etc.

    I have to say, he really seems to get it - on science. It's a pleasant surprise - I just never realized during the primary how much he respected it.

    Yes (4.33 / 3) (#30)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 05:56:25 PM EST
    It is nice to see Obama lead our government out of the BushCo dark ages regarding scientific research. I thought he was right on, touching, and respectful of those who are troubled about stem cell research.

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    Any comments on (none / 0) (#1)
    by AlkalineDave on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 03:12:53 PM EST
    the SCOTUS decision regarding election law?

    It is a terrible decision, (none / 0) (#2)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 03:17:54 PM EST
    and Souter's dissent (PDF) makes the plurality look foolish.

    I expect that Congress will amend the VRA to overturn Bush's court.

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    Souter: (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 03:29:08 PM EST
    A State like North Carolina faced with the plurality's opinion, whether it wants to comply with §2 or simply to avoid litigation, will, therefore, have no reason to create crossover districts. Section 2 recognizes no need for such districts, from which it follows that they can neither be required nor be created to help the State meet its obliga- tion of equal electoral opportunity under §2.  And if a legislature were induced to draw a crossover district by the plurality's encouragement to create them voluntarily, ante, at 20-21, it would open itself to attack by the plural- ity based on the pointed suggestion that a policy favoring crossover districts runs counter to Shaw. The plurality has thus boiled §2 down to one option: the best way to avoid suit under §2, and the only way to comply with §2, is by drawing district lines in a way that packs minority voters into majority-minority districts, probably eradicat- ing crossover districts in the process.
    Perhaps the plurality recognizes this aberrant implica- tion, for it eventually attempts to disavow it.  It asserts that "§2 allows States to choose their own method of com- plying with the Voting Rights Act, and we have said that may include drawing crossover districts. . . . [But] §2 does not mandate creating or preserving crossover districts." Ante, at 19.  See also, ante, at 20 (crossover districts "can be evidence . . . of equal political opportunity . . .").  But this is judicial fiat, not legal reasoning; the plurality does not even attempt to explain how a crossover district can be a minority-opportunity district when assessing the com- pliance of a districting plan with §2, but cannot be one when sought as a remedy to a §2 violation.  The plurality cannot have it both ways. If voluntarily drawing a cross- over district brings a State into compliance with §2, then requiring creation of a crossover district must be a way to remedy a violation of §2, and eliminating a crossover district must in some cases take a State out of compliance with the statute. And when the elimination of a crossover district does cause a violation of §2, I cannot fathom why a voter in that district should not be able to bring a claim to remedy it.

    In short, to the extent the plurality's holding is taken to control future results, the plurality has eliminated the protection of §2 for the districts that best vindicate the goals of the statute, and has done all it can to force the States to perpetuate racially concentrated districts, the quintessential manifestations of race consciousness in American politics.



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    For good measure: (none / 0) (#4)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 03:30:59 PM EST
    JUSTICE GINSBURG, dissenting.

     I join JUSTICE SOUTER's powerfully persuasive dissent- ing opinion, and would make concrete what is implicit in his exposition. The plurality's interpretation of §2 of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 is difficult to fathom and se- verely undermines the statute's estimable aim.  Today's decision returns the ball to Congress' court. The Legisla- ture has just cause to clarify beyond debate the appropri- ate reading of §2.



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    Forgive my ignorance (none / 0) (#5)
    by jbindc on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 03:35:55 PM EST
    I understand the point you are making in theory, but it is my understanding that the Court did not reduce the reach of the VRA, they just didn't expand it. And if they did expand it, won't we see more creative ways of gerrymandering, ala Tom DeLay in Texas?

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    Republicans will once again (none / 0) (#7)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 03:40:28 PM EST
    find straw plaintiffs to demand that their "crossover districts" be made minority majority districts in order to satisfy this decision.

    You should read the dissents in full.

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    Tacky Weddings (none / 0) (#6)
    by jbindc on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 03:39:40 PM EST
    OMG.... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by vml68 on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 04:00:52 PM EST
    you really had to hate your bridesmaids to make them wear those dresses.

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    When I was in college (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by nycstray on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 05:06:09 PM EST
    a bunch of us ended up being bridesmaids one year (d@mn sisters!), so we had an Ugly Bridesmaid Dress party {grin}. We got to wear the suckers twice, lol!~

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    Oh (none / 0) (#16)
    by jbindc on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 04:45:16 PM EST
    You have to look at the links on the side - look in the archives.  It gets worse.

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    Threepenny Opera and bankers: (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 03:49:58 PM EST
    Yesterday I saw, for the first time, a live production of Brecht and Weill's "The Threepenny Opera.  Quite good.  Very biting.

    Today, I'm reading the program more closely.  One of the "Surround" events:  "Dollars and Sense."  "Long among the least transparent of American businesses, banks today are embracing new challenges and opportunities to be positive forces impacting the quality of life on Main Street."

    Avigdor Lieberman' Short Shelf Life (none / 0) (#15)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 04:38:13 PM EST
    Looks like the Rush Limbaugh of Israeli politics will have to step down soon after stepping up to the position of Israeli foreign minister.

    Not many in the world community will shed a tear once this right wing racist is behind bars for corruption charges.

    via Laura Rozen

    An underreported story (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Steve M on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 08:40:02 PM EST
    was that Lieberman not only demanded the post of Foreign Minister as his price for joining the majority coalition, he also demanded the post of JUSTICE Minister.

    This is the equivalent of Rod Blagojevich insisting on the right to select the next U.S. Attorney.

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    Lol (none / 0) (#38)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 10:22:17 PM EST
    I am not surprised..

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    Why are we so concerned with job loss? (none / 0) (#25)
    by Jlvngstn on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 05:19:04 PM EST
    when it is job creation we should be focusing on?  Job creation gets 5 minutes a night on the news and job loss gets 18 of the 24 hours.

    I realize there are multiple facets of this recession but it seems to me that conceding job loss while simultaneously talking bank bailouts and nationalization is counter-intuitive. Lower employment devalues those assets more rapidly and demotivates people to pay their upside down mortgages and creates walk away scenarios no matter how well the foreclosure savior is structured.  

    The majority of americans cannot sustain themselves longer than 6 months on unemployment without something breaking.

    Lots of ink and air about job loss.  If this were an election year we would be seeing a hell of a lot more political capital expended in the interest of flowing capital.

    The physicists did it ! :-) (none / 0) (#39)
    by Politalkix on Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 12:19:31 AM EST
    OK, it is official now. The physicists did it! [link]I have had a premonition of disaster for many years, watching the MBAs moving to Silicon Valley and physicists to Wall Street. It has finally happened. :-).

    Oh, shudder! (none / 0) (#40)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 12:45:37 AM EST
    Quants!!!  Run away!  Run away!

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