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I'm off to court and BTD is working this afternoon.

Obama's gift to the Queen: An i-Pod. Photos here.

Another good G20 site: TheCity.co.UK. Lots of folks are using Audioboo, a free i-Phone application. The Telegraph has a good page and is using Twitterfall. And, of course, there's Twitter.

The BBC has a live map where you can follow the G20 by exploring London in video, audio, pictures and text. The Guardian's page is here and their hour by hour protest map is here. [Hat tip to Journalism.uk). Jaime Oliver's page with his menu for tonight's dinner is here.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Is anyone else really excited (5.00 / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:11:00 PM EST
    No, but I love the last example! (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:23:10 PM EST
    heh (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:26:49 PM EST
    Ever eaten an entire shark?

    Parent
    Lambert @ Corrente details sins of omission by WH (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by jawbone on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:36:51 PM EST
    "live blogger."

    What the WH live blogger for Iowa Healthcare Forum DIDN'T blog about.

    Can you say "single payer," boys and girls?

    Lambert catches what didn't make it into the WH blog on the event in a well-documented post.

    Uh oh. Transparency trashing! Someone's soaping the window of transparency at the White House!

    Also, Nancy DeParle would not answer question from the single payer doc who got a ticket to the event. No surprise there, either.

    Also, note which news orgs have NOT reported on this. I'm sure there are more. Single payer is a topic to be either ignored or derided. Even as "public option." Even if some Team Obama folks mention "public option."

    Alas.

    Dallas police officer resigns (5.00 / 0) (#13)
    by Anne on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:39:03 PM EST
    From the AP, via ESPN:

    DALLAS -- The police officer who detained an NFL player in a hospital parking lot while the player's mother-in-law was dying inside has resigned.

    Officer Robert Powell's attorney Bob Gorsky said Powell resigned Wednesday over the March 18 incident in which the officer drew his gun and threatened Houston Texans running back Ryan Moats.

    Powell stopped Moats' SUV in suburban Plano after the vehicle rolled through a red light. Moats' wife, Tamishia, and other relatives were also in the car.

    Moats' mother-in-law died before he got there, while Powell wrote Moats a ticket and lectured him. Powell later issued an apology, and Moats said he would accept it.

    Am guessing he resigned in lieu of being fired; either way, glad to see him go.


    Good catch. (none / 0) (#26)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:54:39 PM EST
    "With a heavy heart and great sadness, I resigned from the Dallas Police Department this morning," Powell said in the written statement, according to the Morning News. "I made this decision in the hope that my resignation will allow the Dallas Police Department, my fellow officers, and the citizens of Dallas to better reflect on this experience, learn from the mistakes made, and move forward."

    Powell indicated he still hoped to speak to the Moats family to apologize directly, and he apologized to fellow officers.

    "I have sincere respect and admiration for the men and women of the Dallas Police Department and the work they perform daily," Powell said in his written statement, according to the Morning News, "and I wish them well."

    Ironically, it is also reported that he's been hired as a personal security gaurd by Marion Barber.

    Kidding.

    Parent

    The sports world is full of news today: (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Anne on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:42:38 PM EST
    From SI.com:

    Former Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy has been invited to join a White House faith-based advisory council.

    Dungy publicist Todd Starowitz confirmed Tuesday that President Barack Obama had invited the former coach to join the Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. He said Dungy had not decided whether to accept.

    White House deputy press secretary Bill Burton declined comment. The Associated Press left a message for Dungy on his home answering machine.

    Americans United for Separation of Church and State has criticized Dungy's selection, citing his 2007 support for efforts in Indiana to ban same-sex marriage.

    "We're not trying to downgrade anyone else," Dungy told a crowd of 700 while accepting a "Friend of Family" award from the conservative Indiana Family Institute in 2007. "But we're trying to promote the family -- family values the Lord's way."

    Argh.  

    Can someone please tell me why we need a council like this?

    My husband is in London now and he said it's crazy (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Angel on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:31:01 PM EST
    over there!  Lots of protesters - and security guys everywhere.  Said he was at lunch yesterday and they had those large microphones in lots of places listening to conversations!  He's coming home tomorrow and said he's glad to get out of there.

    I knew (5.00 / 3) (#57)
    by lilburro on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:31:36 PM EST
    that when John Brennan was in the news again, it would be for some annoying conservative bullsh*t.  And here it is:

    But some former and current Central Intelligence Agency officials say a rush to release classified material could expose intelligence methods and needlessly offend dedicated counterterrorism officers. Some administration and Congressional officials said John O. Brennan, a C.I.A. veteran who now serves as President Obama's top counterterrorism adviser, has urged caution in disclosing interrogation documents.

    IOW, don't release the torture memos, because they describe what I oversaw as no.4 figure in the CIA.

    And seriously, don't release them because it would hurt torturer's feelings?

    It's unbelievable, this crap.


    Michelle looks fabulous! (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by BrassTacks on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:52:11 PM EST
    I can't help but wonder if she was embarrassed by their gift.  I would be!  

    Yes, the Chanel-style coat (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Cream City on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 03:07:26 PM EST
    for the ride over was a classic.  And the photos show that when she met the Queen, the famous arms were covered, thank heavens.  (I am weary of reading about the arms.  They're really not that fabulous, I think -- it's the breadth of her shoulders that make the arms so noticeable.  And if the woman is going through early menopause and hot flashes or something and wants to go sleeveless in D.C. in winter, so be it.))  

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    Black as a wardrobe choice (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 03:21:19 PM EST
    to meet the Queen of England surprised me. The Queen wore pink. The Queen is of an age where black clothing is worn for mourning. This was an afternoon tea.

    Parent
    Ah, I didn't catch that timing (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Cream City on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 03:54:17 PM EST
    and it probably is a faux pas for the Brits.  I tell ya, if I was going to meet the Queen, represent my country, etc., I would have such research done for me!  As noted below, is the problem her staff?  Or if not, that she doesn't take their advice?  I rather think it's not the latter, as I see signs that she is learning -- and willing to go through a lot of the folderol of public life, as with admitting to some of the elementary school groups with whom she met that she didn't do her own makeup and hair that day.  (I find the differences in makeup and hair from day to day, event to event, far more noticeable than the fashions.  But I also found her earlier Afros in the pre-Jackie makeover days far more flattering for Michelle Obama.)

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    When Michelle is in the U.S. (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:07:05 PM EST
    she's the first lady, the queen bee, and whatever she chooses to wear sets the tone for everybody else to follow.  I personally applaud wildly her eclectic and often unconventional way of dressing and her lack of interest in expensive designer clothing.  I think that's truly fabulous.

    But when she's on someone else's turf, she's not the queen bee anymore.  Overseas as a guest in somebody else's country, if you have any sense, you dial back your unconventional individuality and stay at least close to the boundaries of their range of what's appropriate.  Especially when you're being granted a rare private audience with the freakin' Queen of England!

    It reminds me of the girl in the front row of every chorus who refuses to accept the fact that the black shirt/white blouse outfit is intended to keep any one person from standing out and shows up for performances in a see-through blouse or one covered all over with big ruffles and bows.

    There are times to happily display and even flaunt your individuality, and there are times when it's just out of line and even obnoxious.

    I really, really like Michelle Obama -- lots more than her husband -- but I can't even imagine what she's thinking here.


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    Respecting The Queen (5.00 / 0) (#102)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:26:45 PM EST
    Does not mean dressing like you imagine she would want you to dress, as if you were an upper class peer.

    Many world leaders have met the queen and dress as they do, not as the queen would have it.

    Personally I do not get all the concern about Michele's clothing. And I certainly do not believe that Queen Elizabeth cares much about it either, I am sure she has seen it all.

    This sounds impressive, almost as if the queen were trying to be more American style laid back.

    Later at a reception for all the visiting dignitaries," the queen put her hand on the back of Mrs. Obama, who did the same for a few moments as they chatted," according to the British Press Association pool report, which called the gesture "an unusual step" in the tightly scripted world that surrounds a meeting with a British royal.


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    Straw man (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:49:16 PM EST
    Nobody has suggested she dress like "an upper class peer."

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    Riiiight (none / 0) (#119)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:53:58 PM EST
    Just that she shows that ineffable quality that is called taste. Wonder who dictates taste? I'll tell you this, it is not a trickle up sort of thing.

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    Gandhi (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by Politalkix on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:58:29 PM EST
    wore a loin cloth, shawl and sandals when he had tea at Buckingham Palace :-).

    Parent
    Cough, cough (none / 0) (#195)
    by Upstart Crow on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 09:17:40 PM EST
    I knew Mr. Gandhi, Mr. Gandhi was a friend of mine, and Mr. President, you are no...

    Parent
    Having lived in a variety of places (5.00 / 6) (#125)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:56:59 PM EST
    around the world. The first thing we learned was the way to dress. Not everyone is casual with attire as we are. We could find ourselves in a lot of trouble by offending or breaking the rules of how to properly dress.

    It's only a "no big deal" to Americans. Other cultures take these things very seriously and it isn't our place to laugh at them.


    Parent

    Time to stop blaming the staff (3.50 / 2) (#96)
    by Upstart Crow on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:10:10 PM EST
    It doesn't take a PhD to figure out that you don't hand an iPod to the Queen, or that a cardigan sweater is a bit informal for a state meeting with the queen.

    It isn't a staff problem -- it's them. It's a taste and class problem.

    But yes, they ought to know that they don't know any better and get some staff.

    Parent

    Huh? (5.00 / 2) (#103)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:30:44 PM EST
    Just because no one has handed the Queen of England an iPod does not make it a gaffe. I bet she was relieved that it was not another one of the stuffy gifts meant to impress that the giver is high class.

    A very american gesture, imo. and quite appropriate.

    Parent

    Some Brits Seem Fine With The Sweater and the Ipod (5.00 / 3) (#177)
    by daring grace on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 07:26:23 PM EST
    At least, the Guardian is.

    Two hours before the G20 leaders tested each other over their Downing Street dinner last night, Michelle Obama gracefully resolved one of the conference's lesser controversies. What would the first lady wear to meet her veteran British counterpart, the Queen?

    In any case, most eyes in London were fixed on the American pair, so much more distinctive and glamorous then the average G20 summiteer. "How can you tell them [the leaders] apart?" as Prince Philip was later overhead confiding to the Obamas. He too is distinctive in his way.

    She [Mrs.Obama] was wearing a regal black coat. Beneath it were glimpses of a black skirt and cardigan over a white blouse and a double string of pearls. Critics of her sartorial informality, evident earlier in the day, could have no excuse for sniping.

    The article goes on to praise the ipod gift as something that combined "thoughtfulness, modernity and a dash of history: an iPod loaded with video footage of her 2007 visit to Virginia."

    Phew! Glad we're averting THAT international fashion gaffe incident, at least in some quarters of the Empire...

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    My only hope (none / 0) (#105)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:34:31 PM EST
    is that they put some stuff on the iPod that was warmly personal from them to the Queen.

    Absent that I can't imagine what they were thinking.

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    It was loaded with video of the Queen's visit (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by scribe on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:55:24 PM EST
    to the US in 2007.

    In other words, it was a personalized gift to the Queen.

    I think it was a nice, appropriate gift, kind of in an Emersonian way.

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    My only hope is the Queen can (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:58:22 PM EST
    figure out how to use the iPod.  

    P.S.  I'd love it if someone gave me one!

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    Really should just have players (none / 0) (#146)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:42:35 PM EST
    that you shove a memory stick into. Then you could just share your songs with someone else.

    Probably someone's already thought of it...

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    She Already Has One (none / 0) (#148)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:54:32 PM EST
    And A Wii too, whatever that is.

    We haven't heard complaints from anyone yet. But the Telegraph does note that she already has one. It's a 6GB silver Mini though. So, anyone who knows anything about iPods will tell you she needed an upgrade. Pronto.

    CSM


    Parent

    I recall reading (none / 0) (#108)
    by Steve M on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:38:55 PM EST
    that they included footage from the Queen's recent trip to the US.

    Parent
    Hope they didn't show the Queen the soles of their shoes or eat with their left hands.

    Oops, OB's a lefty...

    Parent

    Wrong Country (none / 0) (#134)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:13:16 PM EST
    And last six out of seven US presidents were left handed.

    Parent
    Oh yeah, wrong country. Good catch. (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:16:17 PM EST
    Richard Rodgers Rare Signed Songbook (none / 0) (#111)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:41:18 PM EST
    And a video of the queen on the video iPod of her visit to D.C. in 2007.  

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    They (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:43:36 PM EST
    would've done well to stop with the songbook. Sometimes less is more and in this case the Ipod just seems tacky.

    Parent
    Well (none / 0) (#117)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:51:37 PM EST
    I hope that you let all your friends and family know that you would be insulted with a video iPod as a gift, and consider the giver tacky to boot.

    Parent
    Well (5.00 / 2) (#163)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 06:45:53 PM EST
    when I'm friends with the Queen of England I'll let you know. This is official state business not a teenager's birthday party.

    Parent
    OK (none / 0) (#167)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 06:55:37 PM EST
    What would you had advised Obama to give the queen?

    I do believe that the queen likes this type of music, hardly suited for a teen.

    Parent

    Left it with (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 07:05:42 PM EST
    the songbook like I said. That would've been appropriate. Do you not realize that the Queen has people who do nothing but keep stuff about her visits? Why would she need another copy on an ipod of something she already has?

    Parent
    they did, you all need to read the whole story (none / 0) (#133)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:12:09 PM EST
    the iPod had a video and photos of her 2007 trip to the U.S.

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    Thanks J. (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:26:21 PM EST
    They each gave the other photos. Some old-fashioned and some new-fangled.

    I say we grab some pitchforks and storm the capitol!

    Who's with me?!

    Parent

    Of course, (none / 0) (#187)
    by robert72 on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 08:22:32 PM EST
    The Queen has royal photographers that travel with her to keep records of her trips for historical purposes.

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    She is an American (none / 0) (#92)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:06:13 PM EST
    She does not have to try and imitate an upper class WASP from GB. That would be tacky, imo.

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    It's not about taste, it's about appropriateness (5.00 / 6) (#97)
    by Upstart Crow on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:14:54 PM EST
    That said, it's really not that big of a deal. The whole thing is not that big of a deal.

    I just get a bit piqued when I hear about how classy they are and how well she dresses -- and then I watch her galumph across the screen in these things that make her look like a horse. CNN, I think it was, had a film clip comparing her to Jackie.

    The contrast, to anyone with their eyes open, would about split you in two.

    But hey! Jackie was a debutante who spent her junior year at the Sorbonne. She spent much of her adult life thinking about clothes and decor. Michelle is a lawyer. Why should MO try to be JO? I'd rather see MO be a high-powered advocate than a clothes horse.

    Parent

    Hey, don't be dissing Jackie O. (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:54:57 PM EST
    She was purportedly a fine editor.

    Parent
    Not dissing her at all... (none / 0) (#135)
    by Upstart Crow on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:15:01 PM EST
    I admire her. She was an acquisitions editor, I believe -- in which her reputation and name would be much in her favor. Never heard that she was a good manuscript editor -- the nuts and bolts of getting a writer to pull it together.

    And I'm not dissing a good acquisitions editor who can hussle, either! I understand that she could pull her weight -- but in her case, that's not saying much...

    Parent

    My point was... (none / 0) (#143)
    by Upstart Crow on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:28:07 PM EST
    This class of women -- the Sorbonne, private-school, finishing-school kind of woman -- is pretty much a thing of the past. There's no point trying to imitate it.

    Parent
    Hustle (none / 0) (#158)
    by Spamlet on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 06:27:24 PM EST
    And, actually, she could do both, just as I do. In practice sometimes, and at some houses, there's not always a clear line between the two functions even when people try to maintain one.

    Parent
    Reportedly (none / 0) (#157)
    by Spamlet on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 06:25:24 PM EST
    But yeah.

    Parent
    the term WASP does not apply nor (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by iceblinkjm on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:15:09 PM EST
    accurately describe most of the inhabitants of the British Islands and Ireland.

    Parent
    I Thought We (none / 0) (#104)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:31:56 PM EST
    Were discussing class here, not demographics.

    Parent
    there's no such class in most of the UK as I (none / 0) (#109)
    by iceblinkjm on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:39:22 PM EST
    stated they are not all Saxon nor Protestant. That particular classification is quite racist if you ask me. There's only one "race" and that's the human race.

    Parent
    No Argument From Me (none / 0) (#113)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:46:59 PM EST
    Race is a fiction, although wars have been fought over that fiction. And from what we are discussing here class has very much to do with that fiction called WASP, upper class bloodlines, manners, dress aka fashion, and of course that thing that you cannot buy called taste.

    Parent
    reminds me of the time (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by Jen M on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:51:28 PM EST
    (Then Princess) Fergie visited Texas and wore white shoes after labor day.  OH THE DRAMA! OH THE ARGUING AND HORROR AND ... and people like me being sure they were exaggerating the seriousness of the whole thing just a tad.

    Parent
    lol (none / 0) (#123)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:55:57 PM EST
    Says it all, imo.

    Parent
    I saw a 30ish, very-well put together (none / 0) (#124)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:56:34 PM EST
    woman this week at Lincoln Center in white chunky heels and, gasp, black stockings.

    Parent
    Before Memorial day? (none / 0) (#154)
    by Jen M on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 06:12:31 PM EST
    :o

    Parent
    Never heard of that (none / 0) (#179)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 07:29:42 PM EST
    Easter puts the white shoes back into the wardrobe.


    Parent
    I think its a southern thing (none / 0) (#202)
    by Jen M on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 09:42:01 PM EST
    it's sorta ridiculous if you ask me (none / 0) (#126)
    by iceblinkjm on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:57:20 PM EST
    the only issues with her attire for her visit with Her Majesty was the color of her sweater. I think Mrs. Obama was trying to dress conservative and respective. I am sure Her Majesty enjoyed meeting Mrs. Obama as she's known to respect strong women.

    Parent
    Hillary Wore Black Too (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:02:02 PM EST
    Hillary wasn't at the tea (4.25 / 4) (#136)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:15:41 PM EST
    and, it's time you stop bringing her into these issues as though all is fine if Hillary did it.


    Parent
    Huh? (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:21:40 PM EST
    Hillary was first lady and wore black to meet the queen. A perfect and appropriate comparison by any standards, imo.

    Parent
    I'm impressed (5.00 / 3) (#151)
    by Steve M on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 06:01:48 PM EST
    that a man with such disdain for considerations of fashion has any recollection of what Hillary wore when she met the Queen.  I certainly have no memory of that.  How many years ago was that, anyway?

    Parent
    Google Is Your Friend (5.00 / 2) (#153)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 06:11:51 PM EST
    I never said that I have disdain for fashion, I am an artist and fashion is very interesting to me. It has always been closely related to visual arts and many of the same people who buy art buy haute couture.

    As regards Hillary as first lady, I was responding to iceblinkjm's observation that the complaints here seemed to have to do with the color of Michele's sweater, black.

    I like the way Michele looks and dresses but was curious about what other people wore who met the Queen of England. So I googled and found out that Hilary and Chelsea also wore black jacket and sweaters respectively.


    Parent

    What did Laura and Babs wear? (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 07:05:32 PM EST
    I'm guessing you mentioned Hillary for reasons other than her wardrobe . . .

    Parent
    No (none / 0) (#173)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 07:11:11 PM EST
    Just that she also wore black, as did Chelsea. The Bushes here. and here Barbara here

    Parent
    Seems like Laura would have been a better (none / 0) (#175)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 07:22:14 PM EST
    comparison. Similar attire and Michele did say she would look to Laura as to how she would conduct herself as FL (when she was on the view right after her mini "makeover")

    Parent
    Perhaps (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 07:36:09 PM EST
    Although that pic did not come up on my original search, while the one of the Clintons did. And as I said it was in response to the criticism of wearing black.

    I searched for Laura, Barbara and Queen Elizabeth II just for you.

    In any case, all the fussing about Michele's outfit seems absurd to me considering that it is all really conventional looking. Perhaps the real issue is that Michele herself is totally unconventional looking, as a first lady that is.

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    Oh, it's quite absurd on one hand (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 08:33:09 PM EST
    but a time honored tradition on another . . . . has absolutely nothing to do with the fact she looks "unconventional". If Hillary were Pres, Bill would prob escape the scrutiny, but other than that, every FL/Spouse has been fair game.

    Parent
    I liked the stark contrasts... (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 07:23:07 PM EST
    ...in the pics I saw.  Brown wearing black/white wearing pink.  Tall/short.  Young/Old.  

    What I really liked was the genuine expressions on each of their faces.  You can almost feel the warmth between them.  

    Parent

    Practice. (3.50 / 2) (#185)
    by robert72 on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 08:18:17 PM EST
    The Queen has practiced that genuine expression of pleasure for 80 years. Even if she thought you were a dunce and a boor, the genuine expression of pleasure would not change.

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    Not really. (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 08:35:52 PM EST
    Take for instance when she met Laura Bush.  The difference in facial expression is very striking.  

    Not to mention that being HRH, she doesn't have to feign her expressions for anyone.

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    And was she wearing a headband? (none / 0) (#152)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 06:10:37 PM EST
    See For Yourself (none / 0) (#155)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 06:17:32 PM EST
    Actually, it looks like HRC (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by Cream City on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 06:30:02 PM EST
    is wearing a coat there, a dark navy one.  Maybe a coatdress, but looks heavier like a coat, and over a lightweight pink dress underneath. . . .

    Most important, though:  The question appears to be, was this for tea?! (I have learned, traveling in UK countries, that there is nothing more hidebound than traditions about tea.  I do hope that the Obamas were prepped if the Queen asked, per tradition, who wanted to be "mother"?:-)

    Btw, it ought be noted, too, that the Queen met privately with only one head of state -- Obama.  That's a good sign for any, as we have read, repairing of relations needed with the Brits.  

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    Do they still do the Tea Parties (none / 0) (#174)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 07:18:39 PM EST
    where she has tea with the common folk? When I was there, I remember going to check out the Palace and it happened to be Tea Party Day. Top hats, gloves, etc . . . . interesting chatting with the folks. Some who were going in and others who were just hanging out picnicing etc. It was unusally hot and humid and I just couldn't believe people would put those clothes on in that weather! I was so happy to be a tacky American tourist that day running around in comfortable summer clothes with my camera {grin} GLOVES?! in that weather OY!

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    Then it must have been outdoors... (none / 0) (#198)
    by Upstart Crow on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 09:19:57 PM EST
    As men should never wear hats indoors, and you never touch food or drink with gloves on.

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    I'm sure she would not ask that (none / 0) (#196)
    by Upstart Crow on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 09:18:41 PM EST
    as there are troops of servants around to do this, and it would be highly inappropriate for the queen to serve guests.

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    Dec 14, 2000 (3.50 / 2) (#183)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 07:48:12 PM EST
    He had barely over a month left in office, so this was hardly their first meeting and CC is right, it appears to be a coat.

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    What I'd really like to comment on (none / 0) (#156)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 06:20:13 PM EST
    is the Spring sandals in the store windows in Manhattan.  Ugly!!!  Tall, chunky heels and gladiator-type straps.  Can't wait for the NYT Style section photo of all those feet on the pavement.

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    Psst. squeaky's not a dude. (none / 0) (#164)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 06:48:50 PM EST
    Black-and-white (none / 0) (#139)
    by Upstart Crow on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:17:31 PM EST
    MO was wearing black-and-white, which seems to be still all the rage.

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    The coat is nice but (none / 0) (#80)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 03:22:09 PM EST
    what's the deal with the cardigan sweater outfits both at 10 Downing and Buckingham freaking Palace, for crying out loud?  Am I that far behind the times?  Is it really now considered appropriate for the wife of the president of the United States to wear a sweater to tea with the Queen of England??

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    Well, okay (none / 0) (#86)
    by Cream City on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 03:50:21 PM EST
    it looked like the sweaters that the nuns made us toss on over sleeveless dresses in church.  And not flattering on her, either.  But I think it shows that Michelle Obama is learning.  (I think that also suggests that she needs better staff.:-)  It also may be that she is not purchasing a lot of costly new clothes in these times, as a lot of what she wears does not look like the Jackie O/Nancy Reagan flaunting of fancy designer lines.  (Yeh, I know that M. Obama does have her favorite designers, but they're not super-costly.)

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    I don't care for her fashion taste (5.00 / 2) (#172)
    by Dr Molly on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 07:07:22 PM EST
    and haven't all along. I think she's a beautiful woman, but I find most of her outfits too busy and complicated and in your face - too many belts, pins, wraps, layers, sequins, sparkles, etc. My personal taste runs to simple and elegant, and I think she would do better if she sometimes chose some simpler fashions.

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    She's got lots of nice clothes (none / 0) (#89)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 03:55:54 PM EST
    and is perfectly capable of dressing appropriately for such things out of her own closet.  She's not wearing sweaters because she doesn't want to flaunt designer clothing lines.  I'm totally on her side about that, but it is possible to come up with something a teensy bit more formal than cardigan sweaters in which to meet the queen of England and various world leaders without spending thousands of dollars on designer outfits.

    Call me old-fashioned and out of date, but I would no more wear a blouse and skirt, never mind with a cardigan sweater, to meet either the prime minister or the queen of England than I'd wear my pajamas.


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    Tacky (none / 0) (#88)
    by robert72 on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 03:55:17 PM EST
    She probably thought the British always wear cardigans and pearls.... To meet the Queen she should have had a simple elegant dress. And, did you see the monstrosity she wore to get off the plane? Shiny mustard with a weird black coatish thing and the glitzy belt.
    Also, she should be told that you don't were sparkly rhinestone or sequins in the daytime, even if they are on a cardigan.
    You don't make fashion news by being tacky.

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    Seating arrangements (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:59:36 PM EST
    How's you like to be the protocol officer who had to figure out the dinner seating arrangement for the G20? Taking into consideration politics, etiquette, etc.

    Must have been a nightmare.

    Worse (none / 0) (#81)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 03:23:09 PM EST
    the one who had to try to juggle all the personal chef's for their time in the kitchen and still get all the meals out to the guests hot.


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    Sheesh Jeralyn... (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Addison on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:36:11 PM EST
    ...you sort of did your readers a disservice by writing your post as if the iPod was the only gift given. This thread is pretty thick with comments that seem to believe that.

    Some of us were aware of the song book (#34) (3.00 / 2) (#118)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:53:42 PM EST
    but it doesn't change the feelings on the ipod w/free engraving {grin}

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    All this talk about Michelle's outfit... (5.00 / 4) (#107)
    by lentinel on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:36:39 PM EST
    and not a word about Barack's absolutely adorable flag pin.

    Cannot believe the sniping and bitterness (4.00 / 3) (#201)
    by shoephone on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 09:38:00 PM EST
    regarding Michelle Obama's black jacket, her cardigan, her curtseying (or not), the i-pod gift...

    Fer Pete's sakes. Some of you people really need to "chill, and live". I highly doubt the queen is nearly as upset -- if at all -- as some of the commenters here.

    I thought Michelle looked great. The queen seemed very pleased to meet the Obama's and, according to reports, she already has some tech gadgets and knows how to use them!

    Can't wait until tomorrow when the TL comment threads are filled to the brim with criticism of Michelle's meeting with Carla Bruni!

    OK (3.66 / 3) (#30)
    by NJDem on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:58:14 PM EST
    I thought the iphone things was a April Fools joke!  I just have to vent how embarrassing I think that is!  I can't believe NO ONE learned from the DVD fiasco.  Don't they understand the meaning of a unique, thoughtful gift--ya know, something that you can't get on Amazon?  

    Of course, the Queen already has one to boot!  And to make it worse, they put songs on it for her.  G-d, how could they be so stupid...

    He should have stopped at the song book (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:01:43 PM EST
    I thought the iPod was a joke also {EEP!}

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    Me too! An April Fool's Day gag (5.00 / 3) (#67)
    by BrassTacks on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:46:23 PM EST
    By the press.  Surely the President did NOT give the Queen of England and iPod!  That would be just too lame.  

    IF he really do that (and I'm still thinking it's a gag) he needs to fire whoever in the White House is choosing these gifts because they are making our President look like a fool.  There's definitely someone in the WH who is not on Obama's side.  

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    Especially since IPods are made in China n/t (none / 0) (#78)
    by imhotep on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 03:12:46 PM EST
    I dunno (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Steve M on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:06:50 PM EST
    was the iPod really worse than the return gift, the Queen's traditional offering of a framed photo of her husband and herself?

    I mean, I do think someone needs to hire a better shopper.  But really, "here's your present, a lovely picture of me"?

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    I guess we should count our blessings (5.00 / 4) (#43)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:10:39 PM EST
    Obama didn't give her a commemorative plate, lol!~

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    Or an autographed (none / 0) (#46)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:12:08 PM EST
    poster.

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    You mean like the one (4.33 / 3) (#59)
    by scribe on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:35:01 PM EST
    the Queen gave the Obamas?

    I think the evident trend toward lower-priced gifts is a welcome development.  No fancy crystal tschotschkes that will go into a government warehouse somewhere - decent, useful gifts.

    FWIW, the IPod the Obamas gave the Queen was loaded with video of the Queen's 2007 trip to the US.

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    In India (Udaipur) (none / 0) (#62)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:39:32 PM EST
    we saw the Crystal Gallery.  It seems a previous ruler ordered custom made everything, including furniture, from a crystal artist who had the foresight to have an outlet in India.  But, the ruler died before he could use the stuff, which remained in crates for many years.  Now it is a money-making opportunity--ticket required.  That sofas, armchairs, and bed looked really uncomfortable.

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    I once had a client who, prior to my meeting him (none / 0) (#69)
    by scribe on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:50:44 PM EST
    ran a small, artistic furniture company.  Made beds, tables, chairs out of cement blocks, construction material, lumber.

    Heavy as all hell.  Some of it "worked" as furniture, but it was an acquired taste.

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    Ah, those gentle eyes (none / 0) (#54)
    by Cream City on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:26:46 PM EST
    and that something-or-other smile. . . .  Yeh, maybe they could have swapped commemmorative plates, as those of the Queen are popular there, too.

    But no a Princess Di plate as a present for her, no.  The Queen would be SO not amused.

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    Odd gift, (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Democratic Cat on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:14:21 PM EST
    but it seems that she never gives personal gifts. She's like the aunt who always gives you a sweater for your birthday.

    And an ipod? If you can only muster up the energy to one-click your gift for the friggin' Queen of England, well, why bother? The Obamas show so much class in some ways, but they need to hire a better gift-picker-outer.

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    The gift chooser must be a republican, (none / 0) (#68)
    by BrassTacks on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:49:24 PM EST
    Who gets a big chuckle out of making the President look bad.   I hope that the President catches on soon and fires the bum.

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    Traditional (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:39:59 PM EST
    is the key word. Doesn't matter what it is if it has the designation of being an honor to have received one.

    Silver frame.

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    This is true (none / 0) (#94)
    by Steve M on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:07:27 PM EST
    I can only conclude that Obama is founding his own tradition.

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    Hmmmm (2.00 / 0) (#141)
    by robert72 on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:22:39 PM EST
    Cheap or thoughtless - or both.

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    I thought that too Steve, (none / 0) (#41)
    by NJDem on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:10:24 PM EST
    but apparently that the official picture is the gift all visiting dignitaries get.  Though the gift Gordon Brown gave was quite person.

    Btw, how's the little one? :)

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    Urg!!! (none / 0) (#48)
    by NJDem on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:15:20 PM EST
    "apparently the gift"  ....  "quite personal"

    Wouldn't that have been funny if she thought it was an April Fools joke and was like, 'ok, really, where's my gift'   In fact I heard he was going to get her "The Best of Benny Hill," but they were out of stock :)

    (apologies in advance if anyone gets the theme stuck in their head :))  

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    He is precious! (none / 0) (#55)
    by Steve M on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:27:31 PM EST
    He's a little snoozer most of the time, as expected, of course.  But his big sister raises enough hell for the both of them!  I'm having trouble seeing today, because she bent my glasses to the point where my focus has shifted.

    By the way, apropos of the current discussion, we do own one of these that we originally bought for big sis.  She's grown so fast (over 3 feet now!) that no matter how many cute outfits she got as an infant, she never seemed to wear them more than once before she got too big.

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    Will you be selling the pics (none / 0) (#60)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:36:15 PM EST
    to People and donating the $$ to charity?  Otherwise, what is your position on posting your kid's photo?

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    Untouched by the shame of being wrong. (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by Addison on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:39:31 PM EST
    Don't they understand the meaning of a unique, thoughtful gift--ya know, something that you can't get on Amazon?  

    You mean like a signed Richard Rodgers songbook? That sort of thing?

    Why don't people look things up for themselves anymore? And why don't they feel shame about getting things wrong for no reason at all except laziness and gullibility.

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    For your information (2.00 / 0) (#132)
    by NJDem on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:10:20 PM EST
    I was aware of the songbook--he should have stopped there.  But clearly that was overshadowed by a dang iphone.  

    While the songbook is nice, it's not nearly as rare and personal as, for example, Brown's gift--an ornamental pen holder made from the timbers of the Victorian anti-slave ship HMS Gannet.  See the difference?  I mean, this is the QUEEN fer cryin' out loud...

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    What a show-off. (none / 0) (#169)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 07:03:50 PM EST
    Brown's gift--an ornamental pen holder made from the timbers of the Victorian anti-slave ship HMS Gannet
    OB should've given Brown an ornamental pen holder made from a piece of the Statue of Liberty.

    Oh yeah, wrong country. Again.

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    Gosh, maybe it was bad form (none / 0) (#180)
    by Cream City on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 07:32:11 PM EST
    as a gift to the descendant of a slaveholder. . . .

    International incident police!  On the job now!

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    I meant to also add (none / 0) (#186)
    by NJDem on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 08:22:26 PM EST
    that the thought was in the right place about adding her 2007 visit to the iphone.  But I think it would have made more sense to have presented her with a beautiful album of the trip instead of potentially embarrassing her with some equitpment she doesn't know how to use.  It's a generational thing...

    It's like sending your parents/grandparents pics of your kids via e-mail when they really want prints!  And turns out she's a fan of Rogers, so again, the signed songbook would have been nice on it's own.      

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#188)
    by robert72 on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 08:24:51 PM EST
    Prince Harry will get it....

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    Well (none / 0) (#197)
    by Steve M on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 09:19:23 PM EST
    at first I thought you might not be giving the royals enough credit.  They're pretty worldly folks, after all!  But then I remembered the classic story of Prince Philip and Cate Blanchett:

    It is said that when Miss Blanchett told Prince Philip that she worked in film he may have misunderstood her position in the industry.

    Rather than question Miss Blanchett about her latest screen roles he decided to ask for some help in getting his home entertainment centre working.

    A palace courtier said: "Prince Philip began discussing his DVD, which he said was broken. He said: "There's a cord sticking out of the back of the machine. Might you tell me where it goes?"."

    As the story goes, Miss Blanchett politely responded that she was in fact an actress and not much of a technician.



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    Well (none / 0) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:51:17 PM EST
    this is worse than I thought. An Ipod is another thing you can just pick up at Wal Mart.

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    I like that they mention it was inscribed . . . (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:55:07 PM EST
    so were the Shuffles I sent to my sister and niece. It was FREE!

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    I wonder if the Obamas (5.00 / 0) (#83)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 03:45:43 PM EST
    checked the shipping status online every day like I do with a new iPod. "Oh look, it left China and is on its way to Tennessee!"

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    LOL (1.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:58:34 PM EST
    yeah, this is one big comedy act isn't it? Too bad it's the rest of the world laughing at Obama. He and Michelle really just don't have any idea how to handle this stuff or the good sense to hire someone who does. From the outfits at the inauguration to these continual Wal Mart gifts I guess the laughs are going to be never ending.

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    Um (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Socraticsilence on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 03:43:48 PM EST
    I'm pretty sure the rest of the world has a higher opinion of Obama than his still lofty status here in the US, and what the heck was wrong with the inaguaration- last time I looked everyone raved about what the entire family wore.

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    You needed to (1.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:04:54 PM EST
    look at the fashion press. They were ridiculing everything Michelle wore. The dress that looked like a bedspead to the hideous glittery outfit she wore. She really doesn't know how to dress. And not knowing how to dress isn't really a problem if you realize that you need help and find someone to help you do it.

    You havent been reading what they're saying overseas about his wall street bailout plan if you think they are swooning.

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    Good Sign (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:09:57 PM EST
    That she doesn't appeal to the .0001% of the world that wears $20,000 dresses for an evening out.  

    Nice to see that she isn't meeting your pretentious expectations.

    From my eye she looks great and so does Obama. Laugh all you want and keep the axe grinding, but don't cut yourself too much.

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    My pretenious (3.66 / 3) (#99)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:15:20 PM EST
    expectations? That's the fashion press not me. But you can look good and not spend $20,000 on a dress. And you can spend $50.00 on a dress and look like that's what you spent. Knowing how to dress has nothing to do with spending tons of money. She needs help in that department along with the gift thing.

    Well they represent our country and if you don't care about that then that's your perogative but I don't think embarrassing yourself on the international front is such a good thing. I guess you thought it was okay all the embarrassing things Bush did then?

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    According To Your Taste (none / 0) (#114)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:48:55 PM EST
    She seems fine to me.

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    Oh I can totally see the comparison (none / 0) (#160)
    by Socraticsilence on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 06:38:19 PM EST
    Massaging a Chancellor vs. Giving DVDs
    Committing War Crimes vs. A dress that was well-recieved by the people who matter (you know the people, not the fashion press who lets face its basically don't feature AAs in the first place- seriously, look at one of those "A history of Vogue" retrospectives of the covers and its a whitewash with the occassional person of color- its basically like looking at the Senate), but hey I guess Michelle could take the lead from the last Democratic First Lady and where exclusively pant suits and head bands, that'd go over well right?

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    YOu're going (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 06:56:30 PM EST
    to play the race card too? Look if you are that concerned about how AA's are perceived then you should be all over her case about how she presents herself. She's a lawyer and looks good in suits. She should stick to what works and not try all the other tacky things she's been trying.

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    Exclusively pantsuits and headbands? (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by Cream City on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 07:34:16 PM EST
    Really mixing the eras there over decades -- and not exclusively either fashion in either era.  Yikes, get past it.

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    Oh (3.00 / 2) (#166)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 06:53:25 PM EST
    it's the "people who matter" LOL! The fashion press is way more important on those issues than some imginary "people who matter".

    Hillary never compared herself to Jackie O and tried to be a fashion icon like Michelle Obama sees herself. I think that's one of the main differences. It's also a huge mistake she made. She's just doesn't have an eye for fashion and that's fine. Just don't try to be an "icon" when you don't have it in you. She also can learn to dress appropriately. You don't wear casual clothes to meet with the Queen for pete's sake! She should know better and if she doesn't should find someone who does.

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    I had no idea (5.00 / 2) (#200)
    by Politalkix on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 09:31:57 PM EST
    that some people who touted their "leftism" as a badge of honor were such secret admirers of monarchist traditions till I visited TL and went through this thread. Wow!!!
    Princess Di bucked many royal traditions and was known as the "Peoples Princess" in her country. I am beginning to wonder whether the British themselves care as much about royal protocol as some in TL seem to do.

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    It's called (4.25 / 4) (#204)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 09:45:34 PM EST
    protocol and manners. It's nothing about "revering the monarchy" or anything like that. Do you think that someone should come to the WH from another country and disrepect Obama? Did you think that Bush massaging Merkel's shoulders was no big thing? I guess we all should have "chilled out" and let him have a pass.

    You guys are making the same mistakes the GOP made: they failed to hold Bush accountable and making excuses for Obama really isn't any better than what they did.

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    Oh Well (4.66 / 3) (#184)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 08:05:19 PM EST
    On meeting the Queen, she followed formality by curtseying, but later, during a reception, she showed her more casual, affectionate side by putting her arm around Her Majesty to hug her.
    It is reported that the Queen was so taken by Mrs Obama she even said: "Now we've met, will you please keep in touch?"
    Looks like the queen was horrified... not.  

    lol

    And the crowds apparently love Michele, so your scenario of her being a walking embarrassment turns out to be wishful thinking on your part.

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    Lol (3.50 / 2) (#194)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 09:13:28 PM EST
    I never said she was horrified just that she was inappropriate. And you're just making my case. It sounds like the Queen kind of felt sorry for her.

    Michelle broke protocol and you don't think there's a problem? Bush broke procotol by giving Merkel a shoulder rub. This is along the same lines.

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    "This is along the same lines" (4.50 / 4) (#203)
    by shoephone on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 09:43:10 PM EST
    as Bush giving Merkel an unwanted shoulder rub?

    Please. Tell me your comment is an April Fool's joke. Because it is truly ridiculous.

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    Really (3.50 / 2) (#199)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 09:23:21 PM EST
    the article you linked to doesn't really say that's she's that well liked. It just says that she has a fan base. And once again, they're making a huge mistake comparing her to Jackie O.

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    Umm, Hillary looked quite nice at the reception (none / 0) (#191)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 08:47:35 PM EST
    I think Michele would look equally nice in the same outfit

    link

    and for the record, earlier in the day it was a deep jewel tone blue jacket and top. No headband then either . . . .

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    So out of curiousity (1.00 / 1) (#161)
    by Socraticsilence on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 06:39:58 PM EST
    did you also hate on Laura Bush and her where of upolstery, or Hillary and her strange obsession with Pant Suits and Head Bands?

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    Yes (none / 0) (#165)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 06:48:54 PM EST
    the couch outfit Laura Bush wore was horrible and I never understood the obsession with headbands. That's a GOP thing.

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    iPhone (3.50 / 2) (#6)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:29:01 PM EST

    Perhaps a DVD player that would work with Gordy's DVD gift would have been appropriate.

    Even if the DVDs Obama gave to Brown (none / 0) (#53)
    by ding7777 on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:25:32 PM EST
    were not encoded for everyday European players, do you really belive that Britian is a country of Luddites and a usable player could not be found?

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    Did you see the video (3.00 / 2) (#192)
    by robert72 on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 08:59:17 PM EST
    of the Obamas visiting the Queen? Michelle didn't curtsey when they met. Protocol is to curtsey and briefly bow the head. Obama didn't have to bow because of his position, but he did bow his head - but obviously Michelle thinks she is equal.... What a rude woman.

    Seriously... (4.00 / 3) (#193)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 09:09:46 PM EST
    ...is there some part of this...

    On meeting the Queen, she followed formality by curtseying, but later, during a reception, she showed her more casual, affectionate side by putting her arm around Her Majesty to hug her.

    ...that confuses you?  Or perhaps you don't understand what a curtsey is?

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    For the MJ lovers in the audience (none / 0) (#2)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:19:36 PM EST
    I watched the video (none / 0) (#4)
    by Steve M on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:25:59 PM EST
    of the Obamas chatting with the Queen and Mr. Queen, but I wasn't able to make out much of the audio.  I hope I didn't miss any clever witticisms.

    Like (none / 0) (#7)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:30:00 PM EST
    The lovely exchange between Bush and Blair? Don't think so, but time will tell.

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    Mr. Queen? (none / 0) (#10)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:34:36 PM EST
    Nice.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#19)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:46:13 PM EST
    The comment was not meant as snark, but after I read it, I realize that's how it sounds.

    I meant that was a funny comment for the Duke of Edinbugh  :)

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    "the Duke of Edinbugh " is funny (none / 0) (#22)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:47:38 PM EST
    all by itself.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#28)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:56:13 PM EST
    It's called "not paying attention before you hit 'post'".

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    Say it out loud: (none / 0) (#32)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:00:27 PM EST
    "Presenting the Duke of Edinbugh." It's funny.

    It'll definitely get a giggle from my kids tonight at dinner.

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    When I say it out loud (none / 0) (#36)
    by Steve M on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:04:09 PM EST
    it reminds me of this classic commercial.

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    Hah. (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:07:32 PM EST
    You funny. (none / 0) (#45)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:11:42 PM EST
    Yes,, I just saw WSS: (none / 0) (#73)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:55:37 PM EST
    Say it loud and it's almost like music playing Say it soft, it's almost like praying. I'll never stop saying Maria, Maria, Maria, Maria Maria, Maria, ...


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    It's the Duke of Edinburgh, (none / 0) (#18)
    by scribe on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:44:44 PM EST
    Prince Philip.

    To you, it's "Close your mouth and face the wall as he walks by."

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    Ah (none / 0) (#21)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:47:16 PM EST
    That's "Your Royal Highness" to you. :)

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    Maybe so (none / 0) (#38)
    by Steve M on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:05:15 PM EST
    I'm a great admirer of the Queen.  But he's just an appendage!  The royal consort, as they say.  I decline to face the wall just because he married well :)

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    With the Proper Pronunciation being... (none / 0) (#61)
    by gtesta on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:37:19 PM EST
    Ed-in-burrah

    I love to tell the citizens of "Pittsberg" that they pronounce the name of their city wrong!

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    they sure are (none / 0) (#8)
    by CST on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:31:43 PM EST
    a lot taller than the queen

    Yeah (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:34:14 PM EST
    But she has a tiara and the Crown Jewels.

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    yeah, wow (none / 0) (#11)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:35:59 PM EST
    There's something about that (none / 0) (#31)
    by Anne on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:59:28 PM EST
    queenly wear - the tiara and the scepter and the ermine-trimmed cape - that just seems so, well, Halloween-ish.  About as silly as baseball managers wearing the uniform; can you imagine the hilarity of seeing head foorball coaches on the sidelines in full uniform, helmet and all?

    I'm sure I would be dazzled by the jewels, and I respect the history and the majesty of the queen's regalia, it's just then when I really think about it, it makes me giggle a little.

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    Having traveled many places around the (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:45:33 PM EST
    world, I'm really glad all other country traditions and cultures aren't all just like us or there would have been nothing interesting about it.

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    What I laugh at: basketball (none / 0) (#35)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:01:52 PM EST
    coaches (men and women) in business suits. Why?

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    free clothes (none / 0) (#100)
    by Bemused on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:19:49 PM EST
      from haberdashers after free advertising?

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    Bobby Knight (none / 0) (#101)
    by Steve M on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:22:41 PM EST
    had his trademark red sweater.  They don't all wear business suits!

    I actually think baseball is the only sport where the managers wear the same uniform as the players.  I'm not quite sure why it looks ok in baseball, but would clearly be completely goofy in any other sport.

    Anyway, apropos of the ongoing Michelle Obama discussion, this just serves to remind me how handy it is that as a man, you can just slap on a dark suit and you're suitable for pretty much any occasion.

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    Connie Mack... (none / 0) (#120)
    by desertswine on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:54:36 PM EST
    Connie Mack used to not wear a baseball uniform, but he's the only one I can think of.

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    Well, he is 6 foot something , (none / 0) (#16)
    by scribe on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:43:40 PM EST
    Michelle's pretty tall, too, and the Queen is in her 80s and doubtless getting a bit shorter, like many people her age tend to.

    My Dad is down from about 5' 8" to about 5'4", and he hasn't even hit 80 yet.

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    It is rather (none / 0) (#25)
    by CST on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:52:24 PM EST
    striking in the picture.

    nothing wrong with being short - or tall.

    I always find the large differences amusing/awkward though.  I am well versed in that - being the tall one in a short family.  I'm sure they'll all do better sitting down.

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    In NFL alleged crime and justice news (none / 0) (#14)
    by scribe on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:41:03 PM EST
    Cleveland Browns' WR Donte Stallworth is to be charged with DUI manslaughter in Florida, over an automobile incident in which he struck a pedestrian, injuring him fatally.  He faces 4 to 15 years if convicted of that charge.

    The Dallas police officer who stopped, lectured and ticketed Houtson Texans' RB Ryan Moats, when Moats rolled through a red light while hurrying to the hospital to see a dying relative (who died while Moats was outside being lectured and ticketed), has resigned his job with the police.  This incident was discussed in a post here, the other day, and here a day or so earlier.  In the interim, the (now-former) officer had offered Moats his apology and Moats accepted it.  Apparently, the officer had also drawn his service weapon and this was captured on dash-cam.

    NY Giants' WR Plaxico Burress got a two-month adjournment in his gun-possession trial.  The case stems from an incident last fall, where a loaded handgun slipped from the waistband of his sweatpants and discharged, shooting him in the calf.  NY Mayor Bloomberg, a noted opponent of the private ownership of guns, started a media frenzy, demanding that Burress get the maximum prison term (in NY, many years).  Ben Brafman is Plaxico's attorney.

    Nice to know I'm not the only (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Anne on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:44:23 PM EST
    one who's missing football...well - not the criminal parts, just the actual game itself.

    Draft day is almost here...  :-)

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    But Baseball, glorious baseball (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by scribe on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:46:53 PM EST
    starts Sunday.

    Football is a worthy substitute, but nothing quite creates a rhythm for a year - particularly the sunny, warm part of the year - like baseball.

    It's musical.

    It's poetic.

    It's timeless.

    And it's beautiful.

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    it's not (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by CST on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:47:44 PM EST
    soccer :)

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    Thank heavens for that. (none / 0) (#52)
    by scribe on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:24:46 PM EST
    booo (none / 0) (#65)
    by CST on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:40:35 PM EST
    I can't freakin' wait!!! (none / 0) (#24)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:51:20 PM EST
    especially for the first night it's warm enough to have the windows open, breeze blowing through and baseball comin' from my TeeVee while I putz around the kitchen :)

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    But it's just so sloooow... (none / 0) (#27)
    by Anne on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:54:59 PM EST
    like watching paint dry or the grass grow.  I like going to the games - well, I did when the Orioles were a competitive team, back before Peter Angelos bought the team - and when going to a game wasn't so expensive.

    I keep tabs on it, in a general way, but that's about as far as it goes.

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    Baseball is only slow (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by Spamlet on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 06:44:45 PM EST
    if you don't understand that every single pitch involves multiple and minute bits of strategy. And that it's the catcher who really runs the game.

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    And Steve Carlton (none / 0) (#29)
    by NYShooter on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:57:32 PM EST
    blessed us with his arm.

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    And quite an arm it was. (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by scribe on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:39:41 PM EST
    Years ago, Tim McCarver was a regular telecaster for the Mets.  This, before he got so full of himself, was a real joy because he knew what he was talking about and communicated it well.

    Every now and again, he'd get to talking about Carlton.  He'd been Carlton's personal catcher while with the Phils.  I remember him reminiscing that there were nights he'd wake up flinching, having seen Lefty's slider break in his dream.

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    The drawback (none / 0) (#85)
    by CoralGables on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 03:49:59 PM EST
    of course is, Lefty wouldn't talk and McCarver won't shutup.

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    Lefty was self-aware enough (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by scribe on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:03:21 PM EST
    to know to keep his mouth shut.

    He had ideas that would put most wingnuts to shame:

    A controversy arose in 1994, when journalist Pat Jordan of Philadelphia Magazine interviewed Carlton just prior to his induction into the Hall of Fame. During the interview, according to Jordan, Carlton said that the world is ruled or controlled by the Russian and United States Governments, which "fill the air with low-frequency sound waves," the Elders of Zion, British intelligence agencies, "12 Jewish bankers meeting in Switzerland" and "a committee of 300 which meets at a roundtable in Rome;" that then-President Clinton has "a black son" he won't acknowledge; and that the AIDS virus was created at a secret Maryland biological warfare laboratory "to get rid of gays and blacks."[6]

    Carlton denied the statements; Jordan stood by his story. Eventually the controversy passed, but Carlton's image was damaged as a result

    Not for nothing, he now keeps to the Rocky Mountains (Colorado, I hear) and does not grant interviews.

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    Was he encouraged to run (none / 0) (#130)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:05:53 PM EST
    for Congress?  

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    No idea. (none / 0) (#138)
    by scribe on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:17:14 PM EST
    Looking at his 1994 comments now, he could easily pass as one of (Fmr. Colo. Congresscritter) Marilyn Musgrave's more moderate supporters.

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    Nice ode. I tried to (none / 0) (#42)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:10:29 PM EST
    sport new Mets venue from cab to JFK yesterday but couldn't see it from the road.  Did see a traffic warning:  slowing re Yankee Stadium and Citi.

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    Well, they've already managed (none / 0) (#58)
    by scribe on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:32:06 PM EST
    to get the first person to leave-under-complusion.  Before the first game (Georgetown at St. Johns, this past Sunday) even began.

    His offense?  Wearing a Phillies jacket and refusing to take it off:

    He was there to work the game for the media.

    I wore my Phillies jacket to the field.

    Upon arriving at the stadium, I was yelled at by a Mets fan to leave. I just smiled. I expected no less and was prepared to hear heckling to some degree. It is every sports fan's right to jeer people who are invading on his team's territory.

    When I signed in for my press pass, I was asked, "You're not really going to wear that here, are you?" I just laughed it off. After I reached what was our control room, co-workers advised me not to wear the jacket.  I confirmed that I will be wearing the jacket. One individual, who is a co-announcer, said to me, "You'll never make it with that attitude." He then suggested that they should take the jacket and burn it.

    I told him, "There's no way this jacket leaves my back."

    To which he replied, "Then, we'll just burn it with you in it."

    It begins.  Welcome to New York.

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    An IPod? Were we amused (none / 0) (#33)
    by Cream City on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:00:36 PM EST
    as the Queen says of herself in the plural?

    I hope the WH protocol office did better this time, and it came with an adapter that works in Europe -- unlike the gift of DVDs to Gordon Brown that work only on this side of the pond.  

    We would not want she/we to be not amused.  Off with their heads and all that, as the royals also say.

    I've decided they need to hire me (5.00 / 7) (#37)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:04:31 PM EST
    as Official Gift Shopper for Foreign Dignitaries.

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    Now, now (none / 0) (#44)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:11:31 PM EST
    Her Majesty can wear it while she jogs. Maybe listen to a little Jay-Z ("I got 99 problems....")

    And the Obamas got a framed picture of the Queen and Prince Philip (what everybody gets).

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    And other gifts, I read (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by Cream City on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:16:04 PM EST
    like stuff for the Obama girls.  Apparently, that's really the fun purchasing to do -- for WH children in past, too, who got lots of toys from afar after every trip.

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    Ohh, you're bad (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Cream City on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:23:57 PM EST
    as I just caught the campaign connection to the Jay-Z tune. :-)

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    Yeah (3.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Socraticsilence on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 03:48:41 PM EST
    its like a Vince Foster joke, apochryal, stupid and out of place but not entriely suprising.

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    Ah (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:00:22 PM EST
    Hit a sore subject!  

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    The menu sounds deeelish (none / 0) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:21:18 PM EST
    I think I would be tempted to go with the vegetarian option because lamb is not my fave and the goat cheese sounds yummy.

    Rioters at G20 (none / 0) (#77)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 03:09:27 PM EST
    A small group of rioters looted a branch of the Royal Bank of Scotland (a bailed out bank) and 23 were arrested.

    Just got Armando's daddy's Nat'l title (none / 0) (#144)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:30:56 PM EST
    photo from the Atlanta show, has some strange shadows in it.  Black dogs, why do they have to be so difficult :)?  Thank you so much to fellow GSD breeder Anita who had had no sleep in two days and still stacked him for me here while I'm out of the shot trying to make the baby laugh.

    Wow (none / 0) (#145)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:34:03 PM EST
    Titled, not bad. Sir Armando has a nice ring to it. Next is Lord Armando no doubt.

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    I did not suspect that Armando would be (none / 0) (#147)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:47:14 PM EST
    easier to title than his daddy Othello, but after dealing up front and personal with the difficulties in showing the all black dog who is judged upon structure as much as German Shepherds are I think that's what is going to happen.  I'm taking Armando and Othello to an Orlando International show soon, we'll see what the judges say there.  I would like to get an International title on Armando's daddy before I throw in the towel on showing an all black and stick with black and red or black and tan Shepherds.  Armando is black and red......the red is a very desirable GSD color combo.....indicates better genetic pigment than black and tan.  Armando's structure is very very similar to this dog though with a shorter back, closer coupled....it is an added bonus showing up that I did not see in Armando's baby structure.

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    Here's what Jackie Kennedy wore (none / 0) (#205)
    by chezmadame on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 09:45:51 PM EST
    to lunch with the Queen:
    Deep pink wool bouclé dress and jacket by Herbert de Givenchy.

    http://pigtown-design.blogspot.com/2008/07/mrs-kennedy-goes-abroad.html

    New Open Thread up (none / 0) (#206)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 10:04:02 PM EST
    here, this one's closing.

    I wonder if Steve Carlton (none / 0) (#207)
    by jondee on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 12:48:30 PM EST
    ever knew Bobby Fischer?