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Tuesday Night TV and Open Thread

The news has been thoroughly depressing today. Time to tune it out and watch TV. It's American Idol and the finale of the Biggest Loser for me (I''m rooting for Mike.)

DWTS will drop someone tonight, I hope it's not Melissa. By the way, my pal Jesse Csincsak (photo here) from the Bachelorette has a petition going to land a spot on DWTS next season. I think he'd be great, I hope you will go over and sign.

What are you watching tonight? If the answer is nothing, feel free to discuss other topics -- especially if you have something positive to report.

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    I can't believe Harry Reid (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Anne on Wed May 13, 2009 at 09:28:26 AM EST
    doesn't have the votes to confirm Dawn Johnsen to head the OLC...

    Via Glenn, from RollCall:

    As Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) moves to ease a backlog of executive branch nominations, he suggested on Tuesday that he does not have the votes to bring up President Barack Obama's pick to run the Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel.

    [snip]

    Johnsen has come under fire from some social conservatives, who have voiced concerns over her positions on abortion and the war on terror.

    Johnsen had a contentious confirmation hearing in the Senate Judiciary Committee on Feb. 25. The panel approved her nomination on March 20 on a party-line, 11-7, vote.

    But Reid indicated Tuesday that at least a few Democrats would also oppose Johnsen, making the task of reaching 60 votes to avert a Republican filibuster even more difficult.

    Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) "is very concerned" about Johnsen's nomination, press secretary Clay Westrope said, pointing to her tenure as the legal director of NARAL Pro-Choice America as a point of concern.

    Sen. Arlen Specter (Pa.), who recently joined the Democratic Conference after 29 years as a Republican Senator, has stated that he will vote against Johnsen's nomination when it hits the floor.

    This is just pathetic, on so many levels.

    And - hey - I thought Arlen was pro-choice - what's up with that?

    Greenwald states the opposition to Johnsen (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Wed May 13, 2009 at 12:07:53 PM EST
    is not as to her stance on a woman's right to choose. I don't believe it.

    PS  Johnsen for SCOTUS.

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    should prostitution be legal? (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed May 13, 2009 at 10:38:01 AM EST
    When Maddow asked that last night of Mr. Spitzer and he responded "no" saying it was not a victimless crime, shouldn't the most appropriate follow up have been:

    "Should you be charged criminally then?"

    It seems to me that he is having it both ways, saying it should be illegal but not charged with any crime.

    Or he's saying... (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by kdog on Wed May 13, 2009 at 10:48:57 AM EST
    It should just be illegal for the hooker and not the john....convenient for John # 9:)

    Of course it should be legal..it is victimless.  He's confusing sex trafficking, statuatory rape, kidnapping, fraud, assualt, etc. with prostitution because the prohibition on prostitution helps enable these crimes with victims to occur.

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    the john (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed May 13, 2009 at 10:52:56 AM EST
    seems to me that is exactly what he was saying....

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    I'm not proprostitution (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 13, 2009 at 11:00:36 AM EST
    I realize that we are all not created alike, but in general I've always believed that prostitution was an unhealthy occupation....so is being the Orkin man :)  If prostitution were legalized though in my opinion it would make most of the horrific abuses of human beings associated with prostitution less likely.  The illegality creates the "big money" dynamic that fuels so much abuse.

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    Are their pimps and/or sex slavery (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Wed May 13, 2009 at 01:27:55 PM EST
    in Nevada?

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    I don't know (none / 0) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 13, 2009 at 01:38:02 PM EST
    When I'm Vegas it isn't an area of sin that I have to leave in Vegas :)  All I know is that if I'm a prostitute in Vegas I can take care of myself just fine and I'm not sharing my money with any bum lazy pimp :)  He isn't needed in the equation any longer.....this person who attempts to provide some safety in your life while you do something illegal or who comes and bails you out of jail after you've been busted.

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    I do know. (none / 0) (#25)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed May 13, 2009 at 01:48:28 PM EST
    In Vegas the answer is an emphatic yes.


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    They aren't needed in the same way (none / 0) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 13, 2009 at 01:50:01 PM EST
    Do they function in a broker fashion?

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    Hooking is illegal in Vegas. (none / 0) (#28)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed May 13, 2009 at 01:56:12 PM EST
    I thought prostitution was legal in Vegas (none / 0) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 13, 2009 at 02:09:37 PM EST
    I am not surprised that a visitor to Vegas (none / 0) (#32)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed May 13, 2009 at 02:12:36 PM EST
    would leave with that impression.

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    What does that mean? (none / 0) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 13, 2009 at 02:26:38 PM EST
    I haven't noticed blatant prostitution in Vegas.  I was simply wrong in thinking that it was legal throughtout Nevada.  I don't scan crowds, rooms, or streets looking for hookers.  I have better things to do.

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    MT, there is no personal criticism of you (none / 0) (#36)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed May 13, 2009 at 02:36:44 PM EST
    in anything I've written.

    Prostitution is so prevalent in Vegas that I, acerbically I admit, commented that I'm not surprised a visitor to Vegas might think it is legal.

    That's a comment about Vegas, not you or any other visitor to Vegas.

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    Gotcha (none / 0) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 13, 2009 at 02:39:25 PM EST
    In truth, I have a couple of times only thought that someone was guilty of tastelessness in dressing and later discovered or it was pointed out to me by somene else that they were "working" :)

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    Men who use the sidewalks (none / 0) (#38)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed May 13, 2009 at 02:53:15 PM EST
    after, say, 9pm have dozens of fliers eagerly pressed into their hands advertising various "escort services" and such.

    By midnight it seems the streets are littered with the fliers...

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    Please elaborate. Are there (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Wed May 13, 2009 at 01:50:33 PM EST
    pimps and/or sex slaves in Vegas?

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    Last weekend's prostitution crackdown (none / 0) (#29)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed May 13, 2009 at 01:59:47 PM EST
    Last weekend's prostitution crackdown by [Las Vegas] Metro officers is only the beginning, police say. In just the past few months, some parts of our community have been engulfed by waves of newly arrived prostitutes and pimps.[...]

    As the arrests mounted through the night, the suspects were transported to South Central Command for processing. They weren't a happy bunch. The arrestees came in all colors, ages, shapes and sizes. And not all of them were women. Of the 185 busts, eight turned out to be men dressed as women. One was HIV-positive. Five were juveniles.

    If by sex-slaves you mean girls who are being pressured into hooking, I have no way of knowing, but I would assume some of them are pressured, in one way or another.

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    Prostitution is illegal... (none / 0) (#30)
    by kdog on Wed May 13, 2009 at 02:00:43 PM EST
    in the city of Las Vegas...so yes there are pimp and sex trafficking problems there because of prohibition (imo).  

    It's the outlying counties were prostitution is legal, and though there are pimps and madams out there in legal territory running houses of prostitution, I think they provide a service to the sex workers instead of exploiting them...aka providing a vebue and customers in exchange for a cut.  If your pimp or madam rips you off, you can call the labor department when prostitution is legal.  Where prohibited, you eat it or get your own street justice.

    I think its a no brainer which system is preferred...obviously the world's oldest profession isn't going anywhere.

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    Well (none / 0) (#8)
    by jbindc on Wed May 13, 2009 at 10:49:09 AM EST
    A real journalist would have done so.  But putting Maddow in that class is a stretch.

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    or if he was a republican (5.00 / 0) (#9)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed May 13, 2009 at 10:51:27 AM EST
    he might have been asked.  These sort of statements really do imply that there are two justice systems in the US, one for us and one for them.

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    Maddow asks harder questions (none / 0) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 13, 2009 at 11:03:10 AM EST
    than just about anybody else out there.  She says that Dick Cheney is going on everybody else's show but not agreeing to go on hers as well.

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    Doubt that it's because (none / 0) (#39)
    by sj on Wed May 13, 2009 at 04:53:16 PM EST
    ...she asks the "tough questions"*.  

    More likely because he has never bothered to hide his contempt for those who disagree with him.  He just can't be bothered with her.

    * the quotes are not to quote you, but rather refers to the term often used by journalists to self-describe.

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    Here's a real shocker... (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by kdog on Wed May 13, 2009 at 10:41:42 AM EST
    some poor slob in Illinois went to prison (PRISON!!!) for running a couple super bowl pools.  4 FREAKIN' YEARS! Can you believe it?  Usually the police and nanny state fails to shock my cynical arse, but this one did the trick.  Prison for a super bowl pool...sun god help us.  

    Singer points us to Judge Posner (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Tue May 12, 2009 at 08:29:58 PM EST
    lamenting the intellectual bankruptcy of modern "conservatism". Initially, I read this to be a kind of plea for a Supreme Court nomination. But reading to the end, I actually take it to be a curious statement of triumph, and actually an accord with BTD's basic theory of politics (defining the center):

     

    At this writing. . . the conservative movement is at its lowest ebb since 1964. But with this cardinal difference: the movement has so far succeeded in shifting the center of American politics and social thought that it can rest, for at least a little while, on its laurels.



    Something positive: Puccini's (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Wed May 13, 2009 at 12:56:50 AM EST
    Madame Butterly, splendidly performed by San Diego Opera with Patricia Racette, as usual, bringing great poignancy to the lead role.

    Well, actually, not all that positive, as Butterly commits suicide at the end.  

    Take this for what it's worth (none / 0) (#6)
    by jbindc on Wed May 13, 2009 at 10:42:51 AM EST
    A source close to Pelosi now says that she was in fact, told by her intelligence aide, Michael Shelby, that waterboarding was actually used on CIA detainee Abu Zubaydah.

     This appears to contradict Pelosi's account that she was never told waterboarding actually happened, only that the administration was considering using it.

    Sheehy attended a briefing in which waterboarding was discussed in February 2003, with Rep. Jane Harman, D-California, who took over Pelosi's spot as the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.

    This source says Pelosi didn't object when she learned that waterboarding was being used because she had not been personally briefed about it -- only her aide had been told.

    The source said Pelosi supported a letter that Harman sent to the administration at the time raising concerns. The source asked not to be identified because of the sensitive nature of matters discussed in classified intelligence briefings.

    Pelosi admits attending one briefing in September 2002, but at a news conference last month, she was adamant that she did not know waterboarding was used.

    "At that or any other briefing, and that was the only briefing that I was briefed on in that regard, we were not -- I repeat, we were not -- told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation methods were used, " Pelosi said on April 23.

    So which is it?  Is she now saying because she wasn't in the room when it was dicussed, but her aide was, then she is absolved from actually having known about this?

    How stupid is Nancy Pelosi? (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Jacob Freeze on Wed May 13, 2009 at 11:03:14 AM EST
    Nancy Pelosi is one of the all-time champions at fundraising in the House of Representatives, and year after year her PACs gave more money to other Congressional Democrats than any other single source.

    This is a complete explanation of how she became Speaker of the House.

    Full disclosure: I hate Nancy Pelosi for rolling over for Bush again and again and again with her partner in abject collaboration Harry Reid, but I was never exactly sure that Pelosi was nothing but an idiot with a talent for selling favors to big-money contributors.

    But now...

    How could she fail to see this coming? Let's have a truth commission, and... whoops! I forgot I knew all about everything!

     It's mindless!

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    Given the strictness with which these brefings (none / 0) (#14)
    by Anne on Wed May 13, 2009 at 11:35:39 AM EST
    are conducted, with the members of the House and Senate who are designated to be briefed not even allowed to take notes of their briefings, I am skeptical of yet another "source close to Pelosi."

    I mean, it even appears that among those who were authorized to be briefed, they did not all get the same briefing and not all at the same time - those who were thought to present more of a problem were told less than those who weren't.

    It's convenient, though, because it is allowing the media and Republicans to shift the focus away from the Bush administration, and onto a Democrat - all, of course, in the hope of squashing any real investigation.

    If you have not already, you should go read what Marcy Wheeler has been writing on the whole issue of torture.

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    I guess (none / 0) (#40)
    by jbindc on Thu May 14, 2009 at 12:33:33 PM EST
    if you view it as this a hatchet job to railroad Pelosi or not.

    Me, I do not find it plausible that the Speaker of the House (you know, 3rd in line to the presidency) did not know this information.

    I do not buy Nancy's song and dance about being ignorant.  I'll go one further...

    I think Pelosi is a big fat liar on this.

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    What a god damned mess (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 13, 2009 at 12:13:06 PM EST
    Now it seems that General McKiernan is leaving his command in Afghanistan over the new release of the torture photos.  He claims that the release of more photos from torture in Iraq and Afghanistan will inflame the conflicts and place soldiers at risk.  I don't know if that is the full reason why he has left.  I do know that the release of those photos is evidence that England and friends were not bad apples and that military intelligence was torturing!!!!!!!  Like we all don't know that already but as long as the photos are hidden I guess it makes it easier to lie or to let it lie.  What I want to know is this.  Did Mckiernan know what M.I. was doing?  He lead the first forces into Iraq, he was a huge cog in the early phase of taking out Saddam.  He was also a staff officer in the Balkans though with Wes Clark and he knows what it is like to serve in a conflict where we observe the Geneva Conventions.  So when it was McKiernan's turn at bat as Big Dog did he decide to do away with the stuffy ole Geneva Conventions?  Is he about to be caught with his britches way way down and he can't deal with all the failure and all the shame?  

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    I thought McKiernan was fired. (none / 0) (#18)
    by Anne on Wed May 13, 2009 at 12:35:50 PM EST
    At least, that's what I have heard - that he was "relieved of his command."  First time since McArthur got the heave-ho that a civilan - Bob Gates - has done that.

    I think the rot is spreading, and the stench is growing - why this seems to be okay with so many - including, apparently, Obama - is beyond me.

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    I guess I viewed it more as his leaving (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 13, 2009 at 01:14:52 PM EST
    more than a firing because whatever the argument was about....he could have backed off and done what he was told and everything most likely would have been fine but he chose not to.  I figured that it had something to do with how McKiernan wanted to go forward in Afghanistan but it was a very puzzling letting go.  Now I think the fighting had something to do with this but who knows at this point?

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    Photos? I think not, says Obama (none / 0) (#16)
    by Anne on Wed May 13, 2009 at 12:10:58 PM EST
    From CNN:

    President Obama has ordered government lawyers to object to the planned release of additional detainee photos, according to an administration official.

    The Iraqi Ministry of Justice gave journalists an inside look at the prison formerly known as Abu Ghraib.

     The Defense Department was set to release hundreds of photographs showing alleged abuse of prisoners in detention facilities in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    The release is in response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by the American Civil Liberties Union. It follows President Obama's decision to release Bush-era CIA documents showing that the U.S. used techniques like waterboarding, considered torture by the current administration.

    Photographs released in 2006 of detainees being abused and humiliated at the Abu Ghraib military prison in Iraq sparked widespread outrage and led to convictions for several prison guards and the ouster of the prison's commander.

    The Pentagon shut down the prison in the wake of the scandal, but it reopened under Iraqi control this year.

    The ACLU said the Pentagon had agreed to release a "substantial" number of photographs by May 28. Officials at the Pentagon have said the photographs are from more than 60 criminal investigations between 2001 and 2006 and show military personnel allegedly abusing detainees.

    I can hardly wait to hear the basis for objection.


    The real idiot situation (none / 0) (#20)
    by joze46 on Wed May 13, 2009 at 01:21:06 PM EST
    The real idiot situation, and a prophecy, is when a time line is established as President Obama considers to hold these new photo's of torture as evidence he will realize self incrimination is virtually at hand keeping this stuff secret, or will expose the media in complicity with the Bush administration in the war since its inception. Both difficult decisions, not. Chuckle, chuckle.

    Obama will not incriminate himself. So here goes there is no recourse, the media will dance around eight years of "dies-honesty" using the word dies instead of "dis" to expose the stress cultural effect already at hand, and oppression of the war that was not necessary. It becomes so obvious the electorate will swarm to the Internet for authentic information.

    Remember for years the Mainstream Media has been embedded into this war issue. For one example as the New York Times sat on the controversial torture issue for over a year, or are we sure it was not longer. Now seems to be an MSNBC related resource.

    Imagine the whistle blowers in the cable media that will appear to devastate the honesty of contemporary cable news. Men like Murdock, his FOX network are at risk introducing the news show called "Insanity Hannity" imagine Sean Hannity in prime time telling America how he was wrong for years, Ted Turner CNN is one of the biggest crooks in the free market, the whole American broadcasting system with the Sunday discussions that totally justify universal health care because America needs neurotic prevention while they yell and bleep on camera, and of course my favorite MSNBC. Notice Keith Olberman using acronym "WTF" in big letters when he talks about O'Reilly. However, I should plead to America for the basic General Electric Corporation to repent change it's ways and get redeemed.

    So far the only way that could be done is to out the corruption and complicity MSNBC and CNBC has with the insider knowledge with its anchor host Andrea Mitchell. For decades of secret money deals her Husband Alan Greenspan Chairman of the Federal Reserve likely has financed secretly the war and paid for those torture gulags around the world. Please Bush and Company asked for the money and got it. Its most assuredly that billions if not hundreds of billions of dollars in tax payer monies are scatter around world in spider holes.

    Of course there are many out there who will think this guy, me, is nuts...but when you ask my opinion this is what is pictured in my mind.

    The real fun could be simple, when and if Timothy Franz Geithner our Treasury Secretary issues a decree that all monies issues during the eighties and nineties need to be turned in for exchange. All denominations from twenty dollar bills up need to turned into the Treasury or fail the stress this being final part of the stress test and making all those old monies void and unusable. Wow that would be something. There are a lot of people sitting on cash out there and with the notion it would be worthless might be a stimulus for the Casino industry. Cash in those chips buddy...Instant buying power goes into action ... like where did all this positive buying comes from? Hey it's a bull market Cramer roll up sleeves, Kay Paso...      

    Sports question: I'd like (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Wed May 13, 2009 at 01:33:28 PM EST
    to see a video of Kentucky Derby that highlights Mind That Bird from start to finish.  Anyone know of such a video?  Yes, I have googled and watched ESPN and others. Thanks.  

    That might be tough... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Wed May 13, 2009 at 02:20:05 PM EST
    as no one, not even the cameraman, was watching Mine That Bird until the stretch.

    Try watching TVG or HRTV networks if you have them when they run their Preakness preview shows...their coverage is fairly extensive, if the tape exists they will probably show it.

    If you're wagering...bet the filly:)

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    Thanks. Not wagering, just (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Wed May 13, 2009 at 02:21:33 PM EST
    catching up.

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    San Fran Nan (none / 0) (#23)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed May 13, 2009 at 01:37:20 PM EST