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Tuesday Evening Open Thread: DWTS, AI and Vote for Jesse

The winner will be chosen tonight on Dancing With the Stars and it's Adam Lambert vs. Chris Allen on American Idol, with the winner being announced tomorrow night. My votes: Melissa and Adam. Who I think will win: Gilles and Adam. I'm not counting Shawn out though, she has been terrific the past few weeks, especially last night.

My pal Jesse Csincsak, former Bachelorette winner, is looking to be on the next season of Dancing With the Stars. I'd think he'd be terrific. As a professional snowboarder, he's certainly got the athletic skills and balance and coordination. Plus, he really looks good (and even better in person than on camera.) So I hope you'll take a few minutes and go sign the petition to help get him on the show. (You can even sign and click the box not to have your name displayed.)

I'll be putting longer posts on DWTS and AI on PopLeft tonight (it's still a work in progress), feel free to comment either place.

This is an open thread, all topics, tv-related or not, are welcome.

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    I don't know what Jesse said to you (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 19, 2009 at 07:31:11 PM EST
    off camera but he should hire you as his part time publicist :)  

    Also of interest is how did Jeralyn meet (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Tue May 19, 2009 at 08:00:43 PM EST
    Jesse in the first place?  (PS He is a really good looking fellow.)

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    I interviewed him as a journalist (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Jeralyn on Tue May 19, 2009 at 08:16:42 PM EST
    many times on the phone and then met and hung out with him in Denver one night at a charity event. We've talked for hours on lots of topics and I just really like the kid (and at 26, to me he's still a kid -- younger than the TL Kid.) I'm like his unofficial den mother.

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    Just got back from a class on sauce making (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by nycstray on Tue May 19, 2009 at 08:04:26 PM EST
    the guy was good and gave us lots of different info and some mole spice he put together for the class. Nice tin, should be enough to try a few things with it. These one off cooking classes are fun. Passionate chef/butcher/teachers and small class size (8 max). Next up, pickling the fermentation way and the timing is perfect as it's a couple weeks before we get slammed with cukes from the CSA {grin}.

    Received an email from the farm today thanking everyone for helping to plant 10,000 leeks and 14, 000 seed potatoes. Glad I didn't know the numbers before I went up there, lol!~

    I just want to know one thing: (none / 0) (#43)
    by Anne on Tue May 19, 2009 at 09:46:10 PM EST
    when are you opening your restaurant?  Or, at a minimum, when can we stop by for lunch or dinner?

    I'm so excited - I have found a farm practically right around the corner from us, where we can get really fresh meats:  Springfield Farm

    Springfield Farm is no ordinary place, and the Smith, Lafferty and Webb families are by no means traditional farmers. Three generations work and live on this beautiful, natural farm just north of Baltimore, Maryland.

    Sustainable agricultural methods are practiced where the animals are given nothing which is not natural - no hormones, antibiotics, chemicals, etc. All animals are offered free-range during the grass growing season. In addition to chicken eggs, seasonal duck eggs and seasonal goose eggs, chicken, turkey, duck and seasonal goose are raised for meat. Beef (grass-fed and natural), grass-fed lamb, pork and rabbit are also available. All animals are treated humanely, allowed to associate with each other and cared for when sick using homeopathic remedies first.

    All Springfield Farm marketing is direct to the user via personal visits and the website. Products are processed under inspection, but the most important inspectors are our customers whom we encourage to roam the farm freely.  

    Springfield Farm has been in David Smith's family since the 1600's. The farm is some 67 acres of rolling countryside in northern Baltimore County, Maryland with four natural streams and untold springs bubbling up everywhere (hence the name). There is also a pond dominated by our flock of pet ducks, geese (Mother and Grim, of course), and watched over by our peafowl. Visitors are welcome, (We ask that you check in with us at the store before venturing out around the farm).

    Check out the price list - I would be interested to know your thoughts on it.

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    Excellent!! Nuttin' like local (none / 0) (#45)
    by nycstray on Tue May 19, 2009 at 10:39:00 PM EST
    properly raised meats and eggs! Their set up looks similar to where I get my beef and pork. A group of a few farms working together to offer their "products". The hanging weights for bulk buying look very close to what I pay. I bought a side of beef with adding in the pork products I wanted. I just recently bought one of their smaller bulk packs (plus more pork) since I'll be moving cross country before I could finish a side or quarter. This is where I get mine. Some of their prices are cheaper than your place, but your place seems to be on the average end of what I remember from my searches for me in NY state and my parents in northern CA. I found closer to major metro areas and ones that sold to some of the restaurants were higher. That would be outside of NYC and in surrounding areas of SF and the Bay Area in CA. Both notoriously expensive across the boards for everything. Your farms chicken prices are about what I pay for whole roasters, which is the only way I buy chicken as I get so much more in the way of meals from roasters, and I can butcher the darn thing myself cheaper if I want, lol!~ Your farms egg prices are also good. We're paying 4.25 a dozen through our CSA. We set the price to be able to cover both the egg farmer, his packaging costs and to be able to throw a bit to our other farmer for transporting the eggs with the produce.

    You are going to be so happy getting your meats direct. And if you can buy bulk, go for it! I didn't really notice an increase in price on my electric bill when I added the big freezer (energy star) and the ability it has given me to store more things has been amazing. I absolutely love having a whole meat counter, etc, available in my kitchen {big grin} Also, the money I have saved on meats and other things is insane. I cooked a prime rib roast for one Christmas. It cost me 4.26lb. As do my high end steaks etc. Love eating "rich" and not paying for it  ;) I also have room to store things like a roasted chicken carcass until I'm ready to make stock, leftovers as TV dinners, 2 gallon bags to save raw veggie scraps for stocks, etc.I can also make big batches of things like sausage and store.

    No restaurant for me! I may do some consulting work though on helping people eat and live better along with cooking help. I'm looking into taking some nutrition courses. Lunch and dinner along with breakfast are always happening here  ;) I go into overdrive in the kitchen in 2-3 weeks, stop on by!!!

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    NYCstray.... (none / 0) (#85)
    by vml68 on Wed May 20, 2009 at 10:07:26 AM EST
    Thanks for the link. Did you buy that huge bone that Ms Dot was going to town on from 8 o clock ranch? (you posted a pic a few weeks ago...I am not spying on you I swear... :-)!)
    I usually buy bones for my pup from the local Whole Foods and it is about $5/lb after seeing the prices at this place I feel like I have been robbed!!
    I am planning to add another furry baby to the family so I am definitely looking for cheaper places to get RMBs.

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    I get my pet meats from (none / 0) (#93)
    by nycstray on Wed May 20, 2009 at 11:53:13 AM EST
    Hare Today. Larger variety of meats in one place so I can order a good variety monthly. (My pets are raw fed). I have ordered the pet meats from 8 o'clock when ordering for myself. If you do that, you need to be prepared to deal with lamb tongues {grin} I haven't tried their bones, so I don't know how much meat is on them. Hare Today also offers pork, sheep and goat meaty bones. My dog likes them all :)

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    Thanks.... (none / 0) (#95)
    by vml68 on Wed May 20, 2009 at 12:17:38 PM EST
    for the link and the warning about the lamb tongue... :-)!
    There was a time when handling any kind of raw meat would have brought on "the vapors". Now thanks to my various dogs and cats, I have cut up parts that I never in a million years thought I would touch e.g. beef heart. Haven't dealt with tongue but I guess it is only a matter of time.

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    Tongs come in real handy (none / 0) (#98)
    by nycstray on Wed May 20, 2009 at 12:32:53 PM EST
    for handling some of the body parts {grin}. I put the tongues in the pressure cooker and did cooked meals for the cats with them. Used a cleaver to chop them down. There are a few things that I don't think I will ever be able to handle. Chicken feet is another one :)

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    Just gotta say (none / 0) (#100)
    by Spamlet on Wed May 20, 2009 at 12:44:08 PM EST
    that beef heart can be delicious. I got used to it while living in Peru, where it was prepared as "anticuchos," i.e., chunks of beef heart on skewers. You have to develop the knack of tasting it without thinking about it.

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    I have heard that it is (none / 0) (#101)
    by vml68 on Wed May 20, 2009 at 01:54:10 PM EST
    delicious from quite a few people but I am going to give it a pass.
    What was it like living in Peru? It is on my list of countries to visit...hopefully in the next couple of years.

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    Living in Peru (none / 0) (#104)
    by Spamlet on Wed May 20, 2009 at 05:30:47 PM EST
    Very vibrant, though of course there is a lot of poverty, often to a shocking degree, and you have to know how to stay healthy. Loved the people! More information here.

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    CHAMPAGNE FOR EVERYBODY!!! (5.00 / 6) (#23)
    by desertswine on Tue May 19, 2009 at 08:09:23 PM EST
    I'm a grampa for the first time.  YAYYY...  My daughter had a beautiful healthy baby girl!!  I'm flyin'...

    Congrats! (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Jeralyn on Tue May 19, 2009 at 08:26:02 PM EST
    What a joyous occasion!

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    Congratulations! (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Anne on Tue May 19, 2009 at 08:26:14 PM EST
    You must be on cloud nine!

    Best wishes and all happiness to you and your family - let the spoiling begin!

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    Happiness to the little one (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by byteb on Tue May 19, 2009 at 08:43:19 PM EST
    and congratulations!

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    Thanks friends.... (none / 0) (#50)
    by desertswine on Tue May 19, 2009 at 11:02:08 PM EST
    a happy day indeed.

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    Congratulations! (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by LittleBit on Tue May 19, 2009 at 11:39:13 PM EST
    I lift my glass to our new little progressive!

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    Wow, the sun's just starting to break here (none / 0) (#73)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 20, 2009 at 05:32:19 AM EST
    this morning.  Huge Congrats!

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    Very cool... (none / 0) (#77)
    by kdog on Wed May 20, 2009 at 08:27:09 AM EST
    though I never would have guessed d'wine was old enough to be a grandpa.

    Enjoy spoiling the kid rotten my man!

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    This op-ed summarizes many of the reasons (none / 0) (#2)
    by ProudTroll on Tue May 19, 2009 at 07:36:50 PM EST
    why I support parental consent/notification laws.  The author does a very good job in describing why this issue is not really a question of abortion rights, but rather one of parents' rights.  I think the viewpoint expressed by this author is why Americans, even a majority of Democrats and possibly "pro-choicers," overwhelmingly support such measures according to all scientific polling.

    Parents legally responsible for teen's care should have say on abortion
    http://www.adn.com/opinion/compass/story/796254.html

    "As I think about this simple event I can not help but contemplate the issue of parental consent in Alaska's abortion law. Beyond pro-choice, or pro-life, there is an absurd contradiction in that law: A parent must give consent for all medicine or medical care for their child except for procedures having to do with abortion....

    Regardless of one's stand on abortion, this is a flagrant abuse of parental rights and should be cause for alarm and rectification.

    I want to know one thing: Am I allowed to make decisions with regard to my daughter in every aspect of her care or not? If I am going to be held responsible for her mistakes, then I should be allowed to be responsible for a medical procedure, for heaven's sake....

    My daughter must have my permission to get a job at 14; she must have my permission to be able to drive at 16; but on her own she can have a medical procedure whose risks include: infection, infertility, possible death, and emotional difficulties?

    What can I ascertain in regard to this anomaly? Only that my rights, as a parent, to make choices for my child end when someone else believes that this choice should fall into the hands of the adolescent -- who, might I add, didn't make the right choice in the first place.

    It may be my daughter's body; but until she's 18, I'm paying for it. That's my child and my choice. I should choose for my child based on my love and a lifelong knowledge of her and her health. What better place to make a decision than that?"


    Well, except that some parents (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 19, 2009 at 07:41:03 PM EST
    don't have a lifelong knowledge of their daughter or her health.  They don't care about who she may actually be as a person, she is who they tell her she is and that's the end of that discussion.  Not all parents are loving and caring or put their child's best interests first.

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    And some parents, (none / 0) (#7)
    by CoralGables on Tue May 19, 2009 at 07:49:30 PM EST
    using their perceived parental rights, are willing to let their child die rather than seek medical attention.

    Parent
    Plus some parents may want to (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by oculus on Tue May 19, 2009 at 07:51:02 PM EST
    cover up incest.  

    Parent
    Yup (none / 0) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 19, 2009 at 07:52:19 PM EST
    Sadly some parental life long love of their daughters hasn't been a "healthy" one.

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    god forbid (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 19, 2009 at 07:50:58 PM EST
    but it isn't as if we haven't already seen that happen.

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    So, you would up your daughter's risk (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by nycstray on Tue May 19, 2009 at 07:49:19 PM EST
    for infection, infertility, possible death, and emotional difficulties by forcing her to go underground to get an abortion instead of being able to go to the safest place possible? Ummkay.

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    But of course (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by Steve M on Tue May 19, 2009 at 07:55:19 PM EST
    it is not true at all that all medical procedures other than abortion require parental consent.  Courts routinely order medical treatment for minors over the religious objections of the parents, for example.

    In a healthy family relationship, there's no question that the parents would be involved in a decision as momentous as whether to have an abortion, and no government intervention would be necessary to ensure it takes place.  The question is whether government should mandate parental consent even in a highly dysfunctional family contest.  The pregnancy could be the result of incest, for example.

    In any event, the decision to carry a child to term obviously involves a lifelong commitment.  I don't know who would be silly enough to compare it to a decision to make your child wait until the age of 18 to get a driver's license.  It's not as if the parents are offering to take responsibility for the baby once their daughter reaches the age of 18.

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    The cells growing and dividing in (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Anne on Tue May 19, 2009 at 08:24:37 PM EST
    your daughter's body are, potentially, her child, not yours, and that's why she gets to be the one who makes the decision, not you.

    Our bodies have not kept pace with our longer life-spans; with people living into their 70's and 80's - instead of their 30's and 40's - we really don't need our reproductive systems to mature when we are 11 or 12, before our brains have not matured to where we are more capable of  making better decisions.  

    So, 12 and 13 and 14 year olds can get pregnant, at an age when we can't help but still think of them as children - because mentally, they pretty much are - children with poor impulse control and raging hormones.

    But it doesn't change the fact that whatever you want to call what is growing in your daughter's uterus - a baby, a fetus, a blastocyst - it isn't your property, it doesn't belong to you; it's her child, which makes it her choice.

    You can go way down the rabbit hole on this one - where is the logic in your not being able to make a decision about your child, but she gets to make one about hers?  It's too late in the evening to get too far on that, so I will just have to leave it to the philosophers...

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    A related question (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by Steve M on Tue May 19, 2009 at 08:33:43 PM EST
    Do you suppose fans of parental consent agree that mom and dad ought to be able to force their teenage daughter to get an abortion, even if she doesn't want to?  Or does this "my child, my choice" argument referenced in the cited editorial only work in one direction?


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    I'm mostly a fan of good family (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Anne on Tue May 19, 2009 at 09:31:54 PM EST
    communication such that if a daughter gets pregnant, the family can come together to support their daughter in whatever way she needs them to.

    But that's an optimum scenario, and so often, when a daughter gets pregnant, it's just one more element in a dysfunctional situation in which there may not have been any communication or support to begin with.

    I think wrestling with this situation only serves to highlight the importance of education and access to birth control - sadly, these are elements which many who are opposed to abortion also oppose.  Which has to mean, I think, that it's all about the sex.

    I have two daughters - one will be 26 in three weeks and the other will be 23 in October.  The older one is married (two years now) and the other is in a committed relationship.  So my husband and I know a little something about the perils of shepherding a young woman into adulthood - and we have the gray hair to prove it!

    The lines of communication were always open - they knew they could tell me anything, and sometimes the things they told me - about their friends or people they knew (and now that they are older, some of the stories about themselves are being told!) - made me want to stick my fingers in my ears and go "la-la-la-la-la!" until it was safe.  But you have to be brave enough to listen and brave enough to help them figure things out.  Neither of our girls were boy crazy; the older one had an artsy/hippie group of friends of both sexes who just hung out together through high school before she met her now-husband, and the younger one spent so much time in the barn and riding with her friends that she had time to grow up a little before having her first serious relationship when she was a high school junior.  Phew!  Sheer luck, I think.

    I have a family member whose daughter got pregnant at 15, last summer.  It was a terrible experience that still hangs over us, and has affected some of the family relationships.  I don't know how things would have gone had this young woman decided she wanted to have the baby, but I also have no idea how having an abortion will ultimately affect her when she is older and more mature.

    I'm all for preventing the pregnancy in the first place; whether you believe that life begins at conception, or life begins at birth, no one can deny that a fertilized egg represents a potential life, and knowing you ended that potential can be a devastating experience.

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    I have a daughter too (none / 0) (#41)
    by Steve M on Tue May 19, 2009 at 09:41:25 PM EST
    although right now, the toughest thing I have to attend to is making sure there's enough juice in her sippy cup.  The tough stuff is all ahead of us.  But the issue still seems very real for me in a way that it wouldn't if I were single and childless.  I don't think of it as just some abstract debate on an Internet message board.

    As far as I'm concerned, the obligation to make sure my little girl understands the birds and the bees is on Mom and myself.  The obligation to educate her about birth control and to give her the tools to make good decisions, that's also on us.  I can't guarantee that she'll always make good decisions in spite of our best efforts, but that's the responsibility of parenting either way.

    If the scenario ever occurred where my daughter feels like she has to sneak off and get an abortion without telling her parents, to me that says I've failed in a big way.  We shouldn't ever be in that position if I do the things I'm supposed to do and establish healthy lines of communication.  It would be cowardly of me to insist that the government serve as my backstop to force her to talk to me even if she doesn't want to.

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    That you have a commitment to (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by Anne on Tue May 19, 2009 at 09:57:51 PM EST
    communication puts you on the right track.  That and having a good relationship with your wife that shows your children how it's done and what a good relationship looks and feels like.

    You have to know your kids, too.  Know what works with them and what doesn't.  Sometimes I think that part of being able to know your kids is having to know yourself, to not be afraid to confront your weaknesses and faults - in some ways, having kids gives you an opportunity to grow up all over again.  It's humbling, for sure, but there's real joy in seeing them grow and mature and come into their own, to see them go out on their own prepared to cope with the ups and downs.  We really don't own these precious lives - we get to have them for a time, and teach them the skills they need to be complete human beings who can function on their own, with love and humor and compassion.

    Cherish the terrible twos and the tyrannical threes and the fearsome fours - when you get to the elevens and twelves, it will seem like a walk in the park!

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    Only (none / 0) (#31)
    by CoralGables on Tue May 19, 2009 at 08:42:53 PM EST
    one direction...but I think you knew that.

    Parent
    So (none / 0) (#38)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue May 19, 2009 at 09:33:20 PM EST
    the parent should get to decide if their child has cancer treatment too, because after all the child in your terms is pretty much the parent's property until they turn 18.

    And if they want to abuse the child?  Well, that's just fine too, property, you know.

    Parent

    Well, not really (none / 0) (#78)
    by jbindc on Wed May 20, 2009 at 08:35:24 AM EST
    It may be my daughter's body; but until she's 18, I'm paying for it. That's my child and my choice

    You don't get to go in the delivery room with your daughter, unless she wants you there, even if she's a minor.

    And what about those parents who kick their daughters out of the house for getting pregnant?  By your argument, these people should be held financially responsible for the baby until the daughter is 18.

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    I'm impressed (none / 0) (#4)
    by CoralGables on Tue May 19, 2009 at 07:45:42 PM EST
    with Josh Marshall's non-foray into the MoDo issue.

    I generally think we're too quick to pull the trigger with charges of plagiarism. I haven't said anything about this because I really didn't think I had anything to add. Whatever the mechanics of how it happened, I never thought it was intentional. Dowd and the Times quickly corrected it, which I appreciated. And for me, that's pretty much the end of it.

    --Josh Marshall



    It's always been communicated to (none / 0) (#8)
    by andgarden on Tue May 19, 2009 at 07:50:03 PM EST
    us little people/students that most plagiarism is a strict liability academic offense. Of course, there are apparently different rules for New York Times columnists.

    And anyway, who knows when JMM is going to need a favor from MoDo. . .?

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    Poor Wallace Stegner and Doris (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Tue May 19, 2009 at 08:01:55 PM EST
    Kearns Goodwin fared much worse than Dowd.

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    I'm such a nerd (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Tue May 19, 2009 at 07:48:31 PM EST
    that I'm watching off-year Philly primary results roll in. . .slowly.

    Carry on.

    If I were a better person, I would be (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by oculus on Tue May 19, 2009 at 07:54:17 PM EST
    watching the returns on CA budget propositions.  But, hey, the Governor skipped the state for D.C.  Why should I do all the heavy lifting?

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    Too bad you aren't straight (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 19, 2009 at 07:55:25 PM EST
    I'm shopping around for intelligent nerdy dates for a daughter :)

    Parent
    heh (none / 0) (#17)
    by andgarden on Tue May 19, 2009 at 08:01:52 PM EST
    Sorry MT.

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    With ready made family. What more (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Tue May 19, 2009 at 08:02:44 PM EST
    could you possibly want?

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    I note Adam was in San Diego recently (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Tue May 19, 2009 at 07:50:18 PM EST
    garnering adoring fans.  Is this legal?

    Meanwhile, I'm off to see if the Padres can bet the Giants.

    All three of the final contenders (none / 0) (#25)
    by Jeralyn on Tue May 19, 2009 at 08:22:02 PM EST
    were taken to their home towns to meet the fans. Last week they showed scenes of all three with adoring crowds around them. Maybe you just caught Adam's?

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    Just the headline, actually. (none / 0) (#67)
    by oculus on Wed May 20, 2009 at 12:47:01 AM EST
    Great Essay (none / 0) (#20)
    by CDN Ctzn on Tue May 19, 2009 at 08:03:37 PM EST
    posted at Salon today by Noam Chomsky. Chomsky doesn't dissapoint in the valuable and informative read. The link is here.

    How can someone from Denver not.... (none / 0) (#22)
    by magster on Tue May 19, 2009 at 08:07:51 PM EST
    ....watch the Nuggets tonight?

    I didn't even know they were on (none / 0) (#27)
    by Jeralyn on Tue May 19, 2009 at 08:25:26 PM EST
    But the answer is I'm not into basketball, football, baseball, soccer, golf or hockey. Guess I like individual competitions better than team ones. I do like watching skiing, snowboarding, gymnastics and the Olympics -- and of course, singing and dancing.

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    Poor Kris Allen (none / 0) (#33)
    by rdandrea on Tue May 19, 2009 at 08:52:59 PM EST
    Who but Marvin Gaye could possibly sing "What's Goin' On?"  And who advised Kris it was anyone but Marvin?

    Not to belabor my point (none / 0) (#34)
    by rdandrea on Tue May 19, 2009 at 09:10:15 PM EST
    But to belabor it anyway,

    Here. Can't embed in a comment, but it's been way too long since we've listened to it anyway.

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    ai (none / 0) (#35)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue May 19, 2009 at 09:19:02 PM EST
    so my rcn dvr recording totally crapped out at 39 minutes and we did not get to see the final two songs from adam and chris, how were they?  

    They both sang the same last song (none / 0) (#36)
    by rdandrea on Tue May 19, 2009 at 09:30:41 PM EST
    It was a song called "No Boundaries" that was written by Idol judge Kara Dioguardi.  It's intended to be the winner's single (anything for a buck, you know).

    Simon refused to use it as a discriminator, LOL.

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    It was a terrible song, in my opinion, (none / 0) (#39)
    by Anne on Tue May 19, 2009 at 09:36:03 PM EST
    that neither sang well, so I don't think it's going to have much effect on the outcome.

    I'm not a fan of the shrieking style that Adam seems to like, and I thought, in general, that he didn't sing well.

    We'll see.  I think the runner-up will likely end up with a better contract and more freedom, so not winning might be the better position in the long run.

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    when adam is not shrieking (none / 0) (#74)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed May 20, 2009 at 08:11:14 AM EST
    and brings it up a bit I absolutely love it.  he has amazing control and I love when he uses it, when he goes over the top he loses me.  All in all, I think he is the best the show has ever had and it will be interesting and fun to watch him grow.  I have never bought a record from any contestant and I think I may buy his.

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    Was it worse than (none / 0) (#92)
    by Spamlet on Wed May 20, 2009 at 11:45:04 AM EST
    "This Is My Now," from a couple of seasons ago?

    It was a terrible song, in my opinion


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    Don't remember that one - (none / 0) (#97)
    by Anne on Wed May 20, 2009 at 12:26:47 PM EST
    but that may be one of the seasons I didn't watch.

    Seems to me that in prior years, there has been an open competition for the final song; something about one of the judges writing it just doesn't seem quite right - not when that judge seems to have a clear bias toward one of the finalists (although I have no idea whether the song was already chosen before the competition began, so I could be way off base).

    For my money, they could get rid of Kara and Paula (though I think this is Paula's last season of AI), and go with Randy and Simon - I feel like there's more honesty with those two than with the two women, who just seem to drool and gush over their favorites.  But in the end, if the winners and losers are decided by viewers, why even have judges?  I have ears, and I know whether I liked something or not without an expert telling me what was good and what wasn't - so the judges' comments serve the same purpose as our esteemed traditional media - to tell people what to think and how to feel.

    I like Kris - I think he's more in the mainstream - Adam just gets on my nerves with all the shrieking and tongue gymnastics.

    Whatever - both will go on to careers in the music business, and my life will not be changing one whit regardless of which finalist wins!

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    As somebody once said, (none / 0) (#99)
    by Spamlet on Wed May 20, 2009 at 12:41:11 PM EST
    American Idol = songs you'd rather not hear, sung by people you'd rather not listen to.

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    That song was absolutely horrible. (none / 0) (#40)
    by vml68 on Tue May 19, 2009 at 09:39:15 PM EST
    I think it was criminal to make Adam and Kris sing it.

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    It was really bad (none / 0) (#84)
    by ColumbiaDuck on Wed May 20, 2009 at 09:59:16 AM EST
    It didn't seem to have a melody or a hook.  very scattered.  I had previously thought that there was no song Adam couldn't sing and had never heard him hit a wrong note, but that song was a trainwreck for both of them.

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    Hated the Song (none / 0) (#42)
    by Jeralyn on Tue May 19, 2009 at 09:45:27 PM EST
    I thought both did a great job with it and made it better than it was. I thought it was Chris' best singing of the night. Even Simon didn't like the song and said he wouldn't judge it, only their singing it.

    By the end, it was pretty clear that the judges thought Adam should win but Chris deserved his spot on the final two stage.

    As I said on Popleft.com, no one can predict the pre-teen, text-message obsessed vote and even the judges aren't sure who will win. But Simon said to Adam after his third song that what they look for all season is someone who could be a world-wide star, and Adam is it. He then added his congratulations.

    So, the teeny-boppers may put Chris over the top, but it would be a shame because Adam is clearly the "American Idol" in the musical sense. I actually voted for the first time tonight.

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    I agree horrible song-but (none / 0) (#46)
    by kenosharick on Tue May 19, 2009 at 10:45:47 PM EST
    Adam sang it waaaaay better. He also got criticism while Kris got a free pass for his terrible performance. I think Adam's "Mad World" is the best thing to come out of that show in 8 years. If he doesn't win it will be a crime.

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    I think Kris will win (none / 0) (#48)
    by nycstray on Tue May 19, 2009 at 10:52:52 PM EST
    I'm guessing he'll get the Danny votes.

    Adam will prevail either way.

    IMNSHO  ;)

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    I am in the minority (none / 0) (#76)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed May 20, 2009 at 08:17:00 AM EST
    but I think his Johnny Cash is the best thing to come out of the show, my wife however agrees with you.............

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    Ugh (none / 0) (#80)
    by Steve M on Wed May 20, 2009 at 08:53:42 AM EST
    As I said at the time, there's a reason Johnny Cash and Freddie Mercury were buried in separate graves.

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    I shared that with my wife and (none / 0) (#82)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed May 20, 2009 at 09:19:08 AM EST
    she found that quite poignant, agreeing with you.  Me and three others on the planet liked it.....

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    I cannot imagine Chris not winning (none / 0) (#75)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed May 20, 2009 at 08:16:03 AM EST
    I don't know what the average age of the voters are but Chris is "dreamy" and I bet more girls vote than boys so I am betting that the girls who vote 200x each are bleeding their texting fingers for Chris.  

    I really didn't like Chris until about 5 weeks left in the show and I think it may have been more that I really didn't care for Gokeys voice and style and Alison doesn't have enough depth yet.  

    This was a fun season for me and I was thinking I had enough last year, i am glad I stuck around Adam made every week entertaining for me and Chris became very likable......

    As much as I love Adam I think he will be a much bigger star so I really don't care if he wins, his victory will come in record sales.  I am sure he doesn't share my logic........

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    Salt, there IS a difference (none / 0) (#47)
    by nycstray on Tue May 19, 2009 at 10:51:12 PM EST
    One of the things I learned tonight (or perhaps relearned) was that Kosher salt is around 12% sodium. Reg table salt is around 26-28%. Now, I never used much salt because I didn't like table salt. A few years back, I did the big salt google to find info on the different types of salt. I don't even remember if the sodium factor came into play, but what I do remember was learning about the different salts and when to use them etc. Sea salt (20-22% sodium) is a finishing salt (you use less), and kosher is an all around cooking salt. I went there and haven't used "table salt" since the google search. I'm now quite happy to learn that I have been using a low sodium salt as heart and blood pressure issues run in my family. Guess it's a good thing I was never down with table salt either, lol!~

    So . .  if you're looking to lower your sodium intake (stop processed foods!!!), try ditching the table salt for kosher. But be sure and do your own research first :)

    If I ever start a food blog (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 20, 2009 at 12:00:00 AM EST
    I'm going to ask you guys to write for it. (Not on the horizon for the time being, though.)

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    "Eat Left?" (none / 0) (#59)
    by andgarden on Wed May 20, 2009 at 12:02:04 AM EST
    Or is that taken? ;-)

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    Probably would be (none / 0) (#60)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 20, 2009 at 12:05:45 AM EST
    EatRight. If I do another one, it's going to be on aging and health...I've already got AgingRight.com for it. Talk Left, Aging Right, get it?

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    Yup (none / 0) (#62)
    by andgarden on Wed May 20, 2009 at 12:09:45 AM EST
    but I thought you don't do anything "right." :-p

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    OKAY!!! (none / 0) (#102)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed May 20, 2009 at 02:07:48 PM EST
    I went to school at 57 years old to get my estheticians license just for the anti-AGING obsession I have.

    I'll be a constant if you put up that site...so many fantastic products and devices out there to make both men and women look and feel better about their age. I'm seriously opposed to everything abrasive being pushed these days, so my focus is on jade rollers, galvanic current, and tuning fork therapies...make sure you announce the launch here :)


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    I'm hoping to go live with mine in the next (none / 0) (#65)
    by nycstray on Wed May 20, 2009 at 12:23:50 AM EST
    few weeks. Mostly for the CSA and friends and family. And to put all my "stuff" in one place in a more orderly manner ;)

    I like your idea for aging etc. Food can be so key in that area and we need to take it back from big producers (who have to be making deals on the side with the insurance companies!) I was lucky in how my parents raised me in regards to food and cooking. I'm even happier now with the folks that are taking food forward by going backwards. And since the artist in me loves the kitchen as much as the art studio, I feel like I have greater access to even better "art" supplies  ;)

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    I think what you learned was a little (none / 0) (#49)
    by andgarden on Tue May 19, 2009 at 10:58:01 PM EST
    garbled.

     All "salts" (table, kosher, pickle) of the type you have in mind are primarily NaCl. The difference is primarily in crystal structure, which has a huge impact on mass (weight) per volume. Pickle salt is very fine, so it can dissolve in cold water. Kosher salt is corse and flakey--great for curing. Table salt is in the middle. The other difference is in what other trace salts/minerals you might find.

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    Yes, there is a dif in crystal structure (none / 0) (#51)
    by nycstray on Tue May 19, 2009 at 11:26:21 PM EST
    and also how it reacts when you taste it. The table salt I'm talking about is the iodized salt. The salt that makes you thirsty. If you can use the same amount of salt in a dish, get a better flavor and less sodium (and no increase in thirst) why wouldn't you?  . . . the sodium level is different if I use a teaspoon of kosher salt vs table salt

    Kosher can be found in degrees of coarseness, as can sea salt. I'll opt for a natural salt/salt processing over table any day. Same as I do for sugar. I'm just glad to hear if I use the same amount of kosher vs table, I'm ingesting lower sodium. Kosher is great for curing, but it's also great for daily use. Kosher (imo) tastes better on food and in food, so why not use the same amount of that as you would table? When a recipe say a pinch of salt, you do have a choice as to what pinch of salt you use.

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    I think a baker would have a very (none / 0) (#52)
    by andgarden on Tue May 19, 2009 at 11:32:20 PM EST
    stern word with you. "Amount" has different meanings, and by mass there is no difference between kosher and table salt. By volume there is a big difference. Kosher salt tends to take up more space per gram than table salt.

    Alton Brown did a whole episode on salt. It's worth watching.

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    I'm not a baker for a reason :) (none / 0) (#54)
    by nycstray on Tue May 19, 2009 at 11:51:58 PM EST
    You have to follow the recipes. {grin}

    I don't think I saw Alton's salt show and will check it out, but I believe he uses kosher a lot on his shows. The average cook (not baker) adds a pinch or a tablespoon, or whatever. When using equal amounts, you are lower on sodium with kosher. If you want to go by weight while baking, I can't speak to that as I don't really bake much. I cook to taste, as many people do, and that is where you would get the lower sodium.

    Very simply, if you are going to salt your eggs, you'll get less sodium when salting with kosher vs table if you salt the same amount. I actually put the coarse kosher I got for curing in a grinder and use it as table salt. A couple of twists equal a couple of shakes.

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    I know what you're getting at (none / 0) (#55)
    by andgarden on Tue May 19, 2009 at 11:55:14 PM EST
    but the way you use "amount" grates for some reason. Measuring "amount" by volume is just evil, evil, evil. (Even though we do it all of the time with liquid ingredients). It's one of the few things I retained from 11th grade chemistry.

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    depends on what I'm making (none / 0) (#61)
    by nycstray on Wed May 20, 2009 at 12:07:44 AM EST
    bread is measured in weight. But in general, the mass population "weighs" recipe ingredients in amounts. If i said use 2oz of kosher salt instead of table, no change in cooking/sodium intake as nobody would listen because they don't measure salt that way.. But if I suggest swap out your shaker of table salt for kosher, sodium intake difference when using the same habitual amounts while dining.

    I personally cook by eyeball and taste and experience. Who the f*** needs all those dirty measuring devices at the end of the meal  ;) It does suck when folks ask me for a recipe though, lol!~ It's too funny, my mom (who taught me to cook) has been calling me for cooking help/advice lately. I've gotten her into some new for her cooking devices (pressure cookers, indoor grills etc) Thankfully, she understands how I cook and don't over worry about things. I think I'm more of a reassurance for her to go out of her comfort zone. I'm fairly relaxed in my cooking style  ;)

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    Oh, and I should add (none / 0) (#56)
    by nycstray on Tue May 19, 2009 at 11:56:27 PM EST
    Alton uses refined sugar. I don't  ;) We all have our personal preferences when it comes to what we want our ingredients to be and reasons for that beyond cooking. I'm actually surprised when I watch cooking shows that are supposed to be organic, sustainable, etc and they use things like refined sugar over evaporated fair trade  ;) they go to all these lengths with their meats and produce and just lose it on some of the other ingredients.

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    I don't get hung up on that stuff (none / 0) (#58)
    by andgarden on Wed May 20, 2009 at 12:00:33 AM EST
    For me it's just about quantity consumed.

    As far as refined sugar is concerned, there's a place for it IMO. I don't eat styrofoam tomatoes anymore, though.

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    I'm not really hung up on it because (none / 0) (#63)
    by nycstray on Wed May 20, 2009 at 12:13:46 AM EST
    I took some time and researched. Now, it's no different than the old way, except, I feel better about what I'm using and I also feel it's better for my health and the environment. Plus, it gives me independence from big producers ;)

    I also can't settle with using some of this refined stuff with my CSA produce and local meats. It just seems so wrong, lol!~ And that's why I can't understand some of the chefs who promote organic local meats and produce in their cooking/your diet using it. Why buy a local free range chicken and cook it with processed ingredients?!

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    Processed ingredients are more consistent (none / 0) (#64)
    by andgarden on Wed May 20, 2009 at 12:21:32 AM EST
    and often work better. "Natural" peanut butter is my favorite example. It has its uses I guess, but really doesn't do anything like what Jif or Skippy does in a sandwich.

    And you'll take my aspartame sweetened Diet Coke out of my cold, dead, hands.

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    My roasted chicken stock (none / 0) (#66)
    by nycstray on Wed May 20, 2009 at 12:39:41 AM EST
    is pretty damn consistent as is my peanut butter :)

    You can live and die by your Coke, but I prefer not to ( I was a Pepsi gal!) :) Nor do I need it in my cooking. I do have a soda maker though. I ditched the "syrups" they sent with it (product of India, no thanks! along with all the other sh!t in them) I can carbonate some water and make my own soda "on demand" without leaving my apartment. I also made a bunch of lemonade concentrate from organic lemons and honey. Freeze in an ice cube tray, then seal in a plastic bag with the air sucked out. Want a glass of lemonade? Toss a couple in a tall glass and add some cool water, stir. I also freeze fresh herbs the same way. just grab and toss in a dish while cooking.

    Bottom line, I'd rather open a jar of canned tomatoes (made by me) than open a can of Hunts tomatoes. And that's my free choice :) I really think one of the greatest benefits of doing my own "processing" is that I do enough to last and really don't need to grocery shop and always have safe healthy food on hand.

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    I think I'll make an offer to those of you (none / 0) (#68)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 20, 2009 at 01:16:20 AM EST
    who watch different shows and like different music than I do. If you want to write about yoru shows on PopLeft (art, ballet, symphony included) I can set you up as authors so you can write your own posts.

    there's no money, since I'm paying for this out of my own pocket, but if you'd like to be a "blogger" as opposed to a "commenter", you're welcome to join the sit. It would be as a "front page writer" like BTD and TChris and Ethan, not as a diarist.

    It would be cool to have someone follow the Amazing Race and Top Chef.

    I confess (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Steve M on Wed May 20, 2009 at 03:27:29 AM EST
    that while I wish you much success with the new blog, I will miss the eclectic feeling of discussing these "lighter" topics here at TL.

    I'm not a big consumer of reality TV and it seems like there's a lot of interesting stuff going on out there that I wouldn't ever hear about but for TL.  I don't know that I'd make time to read a blog that's solely about such topics, though.  (For you, though, maybe I would.)

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    I'll second you on that. (none / 0) (#83)
    by vml68 on Wed May 20, 2009 at 09:55:15 AM EST
    I very rarely watch TV and hear about the different shows by reading this blog.
    In fact, I started watching American Idol this season when someone here posted a link to Adam's "Mad world". I lost track of how many times I watched that clip.

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    I started reading about Adam (none / 0) (#87)
    by oculus on Wed May 20, 2009 at 10:44:10 AM EST
    in recent NYT.  Why?  h/t TL.

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    He is really talented (none / 0) (#89)
    by Steve M on Wed May 20, 2009 at 11:05:35 AM EST
    lots of good stuff on YouTube, including pre-Idol stuff, although the actual Idol performances are maddeningly difficult to find for some reason.  You'd think the people who run the show would want those clips to get as much publicity as possible, but apparently they must go around asserting copyright claims or something.

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    Oh, I doubt I'll actually listen (none / 0) (#90)
    by oculus on Wed May 20, 2009 at 11:17:22 AM EST
    to him, but the NYT article was interesting.  

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    Steve... (none / 0) (#94)
    by vml68 on Wed May 20, 2009 at 12:05:28 PM EST
    I ran into the same problem trying to find the actual idol performances on youtube. Till some one told me to go to the AI website (duh!), they have all the performance videos there.

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    While they aren't "shows" (none / 0) (#69)
    by nycstray on Wed May 20, 2009 at 01:32:24 AM EST
    What about sports? Many of us get into baseball/football etc and we see it through TV. If I saw right, while I was flippin' to get to DWTS, I passed a baseball game on a network.  (which reminded me I forgot to tend to my players today, the benched ones did great, lol!~) For some of us, while sports are sports, they are also "pop", as they are an alternative to summer reruns etc  :)

    And if ya need someone on food shows . . . .  

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    So we can be subjeccted to GO GATORS (none / 0) (#70)
    by oculus on Wed May 20, 2009 at 01:47:26 AM EST
    on two blogs?

    P.S.  Pads win 4, count 'em 4 straight.

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    I thought I heard the Yanks (none / 0) (#71)
    by nycstray on Wed May 20, 2009 at 02:08:30 AM EST
    are on 7 straight!  

    Good on the Pads though!!! I've had several offers for my Pad pitcher. Me hanging on to him as he's doing a good job for my teams. So the Pads beat the Giants?!

    Gators? Shrug, at least it opens the sports conversation  ;) Sports during the summer really helps with the rerun blues  ;)

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    Ah, but (none / 0) (#79)
    by jbindc on Wed May 20, 2009 at 08:42:15 AM EST
    There WAS great TV on last night - watched another exciting game where the Red Wings won again, and their big stars STILL haven't scored.

    Chris Osgood is an amazing goalie! And the game winning goal in OT was a textbook 3-pass that was perfectly placed into the net - Khabibluian didn't stand a chance of stopping it.

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    I think it's sweet (none / 0) (#81)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed May 20, 2009 at 09:14:16 AM EST
    that Shawn Johnson won DWTS, although I was so rooting for Tony D (and his partner Melissa Rycroft).

    Tony is one of my favorite dancers.  He's comes so close to winning many times, and has been so patient with some horrifyingly bad dancers, that he needed to win.

    Oh well.  Maybe next time.

    Cheryl Burke frustrates me.  You can see how annoyed she gets when she's with a dancer whom she doesn't like.  Spoiled little rich girl.

    Did she really? (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Steve M on Wed May 20, 2009 at 10:42:38 AM EST
    I thought she was just adorable in the Olympics, and obviously so, so talented.  Good for her.

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    I thought Gilles would win (none / 0) (#91)
    by lilburro on Wed May 20, 2009 at 11:25:35 AM EST
    he was the best dancer - he looked professional and could do the half corny/half passionate thing I expect out of a sparkly dancing tv show.  Shawn had a few really great dances recently though.  She was just too fun to watch I guess!

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    And (none / 0) (#96)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed May 20, 2009 at 12:21:28 PM EST
    I think the voting population for that show is teens, just as with American Idol.

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    Seems to have gone that way, for sure (none / 0) (#103)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed May 20, 2009 at 02:11:41 PM EST
    The first few seasons, the demographic ranged from 10-90 year olds and voting was all over the place. I didn't vote at all this season (not until Monday, that is), and rarely voted last season.

    Gilles did deserve it, and they said it was the closest vote ever. But, Mark also has a big fan base that probably out numbers Cheryl. She doesn't have the choreography skills he does, and her routines are always the same moves over and over. He probably would have won had they paired him with Julianne or the new girl this year who danced with Ty.

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    Tuesday Night (none / 0) (#88)
    by CST on Wed May 20, 2009 at 10:57:59 AM EST
    I was watching the sox beat the jays at fenway.

    Now that basketball and hockey are over (for Boston), it's officially baseball season!

    Great game, I can't believe how good Wakefield is, still.