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    No stories to fill in on (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by andgarden on Sun May 03, 2009 at 04:31:29 PM EST
    but I just had the most amazing Florida grapefruit. I think it's the sweetest I've ever tasted. I was reduced to sucking on the leftover pith like a five-year-old.

    So you think BTD already knows about (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by oculus on Sun May 03, 2009 at 04:34:03 PM EST
    the Tebow souvenier?  

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    No idea what that means (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by andgarden on Sun May 03, 2009 at 04:34:43 PM EST
    Oh, sure. See Teresa's comment, to (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by oculus on Sun May 03, 2009 at 04:35:25 PM EST
    which you--yes you--replied.

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    Fine, sorry (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by andgarden on Sun May 03, 2009 at 04:41:22 PM EST
    I wasn't really paying too much attention to the content. I was distracted by my excellent grapefruit!

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    Hi guys...I replied to you in the other thread. (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by Teresa on Mon May 04, 2009 at 02:26:22 AM EST
    I'm ok, just a hurt back and it hurts to spend time on the computer. Not a good thing for an addict like me.

    I've been reading but trying not to reach for the mouse.

    Are you almost through school for the year?

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    Teresa, welcome back (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by caseyOR on Mon May 04, 2009 at 02:34:11 AM EST
    Hope your back is getting better.

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    Almost (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by andgarden on Mon May 04, 2009 at 09:05:45 AM EST
    A great grapefruit (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 03, 2009 at 07:03:54 PM EST
    is a thing of great joy and pleasure, I agree.  A mediocre one is just a slightly interesting sour variation of citrus.

    My mother had a cat (an Abyssinian) who totally climbed the walls when she fixed herself a grapefrult, cried and tried to climb up her leg until she gave in and fed him bits.

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    Oh, and Arlen Specter is doing his best (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by andgarden on Sun May 03, 2009 at 04:33:54 PM EST
    Ben Nelson, apparently.

    I'm pretty sure Specter is a mole. (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by oculus on Sun May 03, 2009 at 04:34:38 PM EST
    Rat, not mole. (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by andgarden on Sun May 03, 2009 at 04:34:58 PM EST
    He's reminding me of that (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by oculus on Sun May 03, 2009 at 04:37:37 PM EST
    PPUS Commerce Secretary nominee.

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    It's OK...we've got a decent one (none / 0) (#24)
    by oldpro on Sun May 03, 2009 at 06:57:54 PM EST
    now.  And Locke is off to a flying start with rescue of the west coast salmon fishery.  Good move.

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    Try "weasel." (none / 0) (#16)
    by scribe on Sun May 03, 2009 at 05:36:24 PM EST
    Why (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by lentinel on Sun May 03, 2009 at 06:25:47 PM EST
    did the leadership of the democratic party foist this cretin upon us?

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    Psychological warfare (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 03, 2009 at 07:05:44 PM EST
    Seriously.  They get no real benefit from it, but it's a big raspberry to the GOP.

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    Raspberries to the GOP (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by MO Blue on Sun May 03, 2009 at 08:26:00 PM EST
    does not get needed legislation passed.

    Color me unimpressed at the Dems giveaway programs to those who vote against the common good.

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    Then (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 03, 2009 at 10:15:22 PM EST
    it's nothing more than the flip side of the GOP---no principals only just winning for the sake of winning.

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    Did you (none / 0) (#50)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 03, 2009 at 10:13:33 PM EST
    read where Nelson and Specter have come out against any public option in insurance "reform". I'm willing to bet that not much happens on that account.

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    Obama addressed the National Academy of Sciences, (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Dr Molly on Sun May 03, 2009 at 04:37:23 PM EST
    and promised to keep increasing the level of federal funding for science until it reaches 3% of GDP. This exceeds the amount invested at the height of the Kennedy administration. He is only the fourth president to ever address the annual NAS meeting.

    Great news! (none / 0) (#36)
    by talesoftwokitties on Sun May 03, 2009 at 07:49:25 PM EST
    More federal funding and lifting the stem cell ban - now THAT's change I can believe in!

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    The stem cell ban (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by jbindc on Mon May 04, 2009 at 10:56:08 AM EST
    was put back into place by him signing the budget for the rest of FY2009.  It's been in the budget for something like the last 19 years, and is probably in the 2010 budget.  So the whole see-saw of Executive Orders didn't really mean squat.

    But of course, that's not what the media will tell  you.

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    Three things. (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Addison on Sun May 03, 2009 at 05:02:36 PM EST
    Unpopular Afghan president Karzai likely to be re-elected in delayed election, due opponents' egos and "lack of organizational strength," and US support, of course.  WaPo link.

    The largest democracy in the world held part of their national elections last week. Generated almost no coverage here in the US. Vast array of links here.

    The explosion of a gas pipeline in Northern Turkmenistan further roils Turkmen-Russian relations, Iran and Turkmenistan have reached a deal (for now), and India and Pakistan have pushed (again) for a pipeline (multiple links here). Yet another weekly chapter in the Trans-Caspian/Trans-Afghan Pipeline Saga that involves virtually the entire Eurasian continent (and the US, of course) at this point. And everything is dependent on the Turkmen government, but as soon as a deal is signed the Turkmen government loses its leverage.

    Local 'hood news (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by nycstray on Sun May 03, 2009 at 06:00:32 PM EST
    Just got in from our CSA  meeting, last one before distribution starts in June and leek planting in 2 weeks. Seems my 'hood now has 2 more CSA's which is great as the other 2 are full with waiting lists. Also means we have 2 more local farms involved in our community. Suggestion was made that we also have enough for a baseball league, lol!~ Uh, I think they were serious . . . I'm just really happy we have that much more local farm goods available in the 'hood. Finalized list of the shares ours is offering: Produce', herbs, fruit'', eggs, poultry, lamb, fresh flowers, 4 types of dried beans, wheat and spelt flour. Is it June yet?! I want my veggies!!!! Oh, and we may do a Fair Trade roasted in Brooklyn coffee offering.

    ' this years list has been posted and it looks like everything we had last year with a couple additions

    '' last year we had a couple types of berries and grapes, a few types of peaches and nectarines, desert and several (5 at least) regular pear and (lost count) apple varieties. Apple varieties came with what they worked best for. We even got hard cider apples :)

    My mouth is watering...yum! (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by oldpro on Sun May 03, 2009 at 06:55:29 PM EST
    Our local farmer's market finally opened yesterday in lousy weather...overcast, windy, spitting rain.  Still, a big turnout though no one lingered for lunch and music.

    Out of curiosity, have you tried NY Tap?  Brilliant marketing!

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    I drink NY Tap all the time (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by nycstray on Sun May 03, 2009 at 07:29:02 PM EST
    Filtered from my tap {grin}  I find it interesting that someone would be starting a bottled water co when bottled water is possibly on it's way out. We really don't need anymore plastic water bottles in the landfill.

    Both the FM in my hood and the easily accessible one in Union Sq are open year round. We just have to be patient waiting for the spring goods. If I lived where they closed over winter, I would be at the opening no matter what the weather!!  We're now starting to get asparagus, ramps, herb plants (and other garden starter plants), greens etc. And we've got the rain also. Should see sun late tues or wed. I can't wait until we're in full swing getting fresh food every week!!!

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    What's NY Tap? (none / 0) (#33)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 03, 2009 at 07:28:28 PM EST
    It's a gimmick to make (none / 0) (#35)
    by oldpro on Sun May 03, 2009 at 07:33:51 PM EST
    money using what you already have!

    Form a company, buy water from the city utility, bottle and market it as NY TAP (which it is!) and sell, sell, sell!

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    So nu? (none / 0) (#45)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 03, 2009 at 09:10:15 PM EST
    Haven't there been a couple of bottled water companies doing that already?

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    Yes, but dishonestly! They (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by oldpro on Sun May 03, 2009 at 09:43:19 PM EST
    didn't name it after the source.

    Only in New York!  Chutzpah!

    Cracks me up.

    I heart NY.

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    Great eating is coming! (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 03, 2009 at 07:28:02 PM EST
    Your CSA sounds terrific!

    I'm sort of musing on smaller-scale garden sharing.  I have lots of space, and it's just as easy to plant extra to share.  My avid gardening "neighbors" (almost a mile away) have realized they can't do a garden this year because their near neighbors rescued an abandoned fawn last year and hand-raised him, and he's now a regular visitor to their property.  They're not prepared to have the eight-foot fence installed that would keep him out of a veg garden.

    Seems to me there are a lot of situations where people could share-- somebody has enough land and the time to garden, a neighbor doesn't have one or the other or both, but would love a nearby source of fresh produce.

    In the meantime, I've collected just a few leaves from my lettuce for a tiny salad today, and picked the first of my beloved (OK, lusted-after!) rhubarb for dessert.  Asparagus from my local organic farm coming soon!

    Oh, groan, I can't wait for those few months of total abundance after so many months of frozen stuff supplemented by elderly broccoli and cabbage from Chile or someplace else far away.

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    It seems many people are starting (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by nycstray on Sun May 03, 2009 at 08:01:49 PM EST
    to garden share. There's a group in SF that actually goes and grows in members yards and the portion out all the produce to the participating yards. Others are just getting together loosely and deciding who grows what and share. And some are doing what you are thinking of and just growing more.  I was surprised to hear 2 CSAs added to our hood.  And they were def needed!

    Happy to hear your neighbor saved the fawn and now has a visitor!  I'm trying to remember which wildlife was getting into my mom's garden and munching. For some reason I think deer were getting in also (fenced area) because we used to joke about who we thought ate what overnight by the height. Grapes and berries were getting chowed down at levels too high for for some of the obvious critters we had living in and around the property and the deer are plentiful every year along with the wild turkeys, lol!~

    just a couple more weeks!

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    This deer (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 03, 2009 at 09:09:16 PM EST
    has made friends with several of the neighbors' dogs.  It's not uncommon to come upon the deer and one or more dogs playing together peacefully in the road, two or three noses investigating interesting smells by the roadside, romping around together, etc.  It's going to end in tragedy eventually because this guy has no fear of humans, and the area is thick with hunters in the fall. (sigh)  He's just an incredibly pretty and charming creature.

    Deer don't come onto my very open property very often.  My problem is voles, despite my cats' best efforts, and lately rabbits since the local goons decimated the coyote population that had been keeping them under control.

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    I'm getting the good eggs again! (none / 0) (#62)
    by Fabian on Mon May 04, 2009 at 06:18:30 AM EST
    My scrambled eggs are orange, not yellow and the pancakes are decidedly yellow.  The yolks are deep orange in color.

    I think the reason some people favor duck eggs over chicken eggs is that most available chicken eggs are pathetic.  

    Got fresh asparagus too.  Plump and juicy,  you never realize how much quality produce loses in transit unless you get the real thing.  Passed on the ramps.  

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    Diving into the shallow end of the pool... (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Anne on Sun May 03, 2009 at 07:04:50 PM EST
    with nothing on TV last night, I ended up watching an episode of the Real Housewives of New York, and then discovered it was a Bravo marathon, and they were showing back-to-back-to-back episodes, all leading up to the season finale on Tuesday night.

    It is a strangely mesmerizing show, at once reminiscent of high school cattiness, shallow to the point of being nearly devoid of substance and yet hard to look away from - maybe I was thinking that surely, at some point, someone would say or do something meaningful?  Would Jill really buy a $16,000 custom-made purse?  (yes)  Would she complain about the Ipod accessory on the brand-new Mercedes SUV that her husband surprised her with - to the point where he would say, "fine - I'll take this one and get you a different car?"  (again, yes)  Would she really refer to the gigantic diamond on her finger as "the baby," and say, "you should see the mama - we keep it in the vault?" (you guessed it - yep she did)

    Would Kelly and Bethenny ever stop sniping at each other?  (no)  Would Kelly show up for her own party? (yes, but so late all her friends had left)  

    I cannot even believe I watched hours of that show last night...or that I will watch the finale on Tuesday (it's the "gala" show, after all - the night the ladies put on their charity event).

    I need help.

    I don't know, but now I have to watch the end on Tuesday.  Please pray I don't catch an episode of The Real Housewives of New Jersey...lol.

    heh (5.00 / 0) (#31)
    by andgarden on Sun May 03, 2009 at 07:21:31 PM EST
    I haven't really watched Bravo since Top Chef ended this season. . .

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    Me, either, but my husband was (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Anne on Sun May 03, 2009 at 08:26:49 PM EST
    working, and I was just channel-surfing, hoping to find something light; I'm reading the new book by Wally Lamb (The Hour I First Believed). and it's good, but I was in a pretty sad and dark part of it and needed a break.  

    From the NYT review:

    The story is narrated in the caustic, breezy voice of Caelum Quirk, a high school English teacher living in Littleton, Colo.,who has an anger management problem and a tender heart. From the start, Caelum is unlucky and unhappy. Before the action even begins, he's been struggling to hold his third marriage together. (He and his wife, Maureen, separated and nearly divorced after he discovered she was having an affair and went after her lover with a wrench.) Things are at a standstill when Caelum is called back home to Connecticut, where the aunt who helped raise him is ailing; he gets to sit at her bedside just once before she dies. Taking a break from the funeral arrangements, he sees the name of the school where he teaches -- Columbine -- on the television news.

    Maureen, a nurse at Columbine, is in the library when the shootings start and survives by hiding in a cabinet. But for her -- and for Caelum -- the ordeal is just beginning. Suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder and survivor's guilt, Maureen becomes addicted to Xanax. A move to Caelum's childhood home in Three Rivers, Conn. -- down the road from the women's prison founded by Caelum's great-grandmother -- doesn't help. Meanwhile, Caelum is wrestling with his own demons, including troubling childhood memories and startling revelations about his parents. From there, things only get worse.

    Yet the novel isn't all misfortune. There are moments of levity -- detours into the history of Rheingold beer, an assessment of rock 'n' roll hits, a brief doughnut-­making tutorial -- and moments of salvation. It's part picaresque, part Russian novel, part mystery. Mostly, though, it resembles an evangelist's redemption narrative. And like any evangelist, Lamb is pitching more than a story: he wants to lead his readers to a larger (nondenominational) truth.

    But, back to Top Chef...this week's WaPo magazine has a theme of "Fit for Fame," featuring stories of how well-know DC-area people stay fit.  One of the people featured is Carla, who talks about how she uses yoga to stay fit and de-stress.

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    I lovedd (none / 0) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 03, 2009 at 10:11:44 PM EST
    Carla. She was one of my favorites on the show. And that hunky guy from Miami wasn't too bad either!

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    From what I've read, (none / 0) (#38)
    by scribe on Sun May 03, 2009 at 08:12:44 PM EST
    two of the Joisey housewives - related to each other - also had a common relative who was mobbed up and left this world in the characteristic way of the mobbed up.

    Stereotypes.

    As to the NY ladies - puhleeze.  I can understand not being able to look away - they used to sell tickets to watch some guys crash retired steam locomotives into each other.

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    From what I've read, (none / 0) (#39)
    by scribe on Sun May 03, 2009 at 08:12:56 PM EST
    two of the Joisey housewives - related to each other - also had a common relative who was mobbed up and left this world in the characteristic way of the mobbed up.

    Stereotypes.

    As to the NY ladies - puhleeze.  I can understand not being able to look away - they used to sell tickets to watch some guys crash retired steam locomotives into each other.

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    Ohh (none / 0) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 03, 2009 at 10:10:15 PM EST
    just wait until you get to see the ones from New Jersey. Dull they are not!

    NYC seems kind of dull to me. It's all about decorating and charities mostly and this new Kelly Bensimon they added this year has no personality.

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    Not only does Kelly have a sort of (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Anne on Sun May 03, 2009 at 10:16:39 PM EST
    weird personality, she seems to spend too much time in the tanning salon...

    I started out not liking Bethenny too much, but I've come to start agreeing with her that Kelly is a bit off...

    In a short time, I've come to really hate her "Hiiiiii..." - it's like fingernails on a chalkboard.

    But listen to me - did someone force me to watch?  Um, no - so my complaining means nothing, really, lol.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 03, 2009 at 10:27:53 PM EST
    but I know what you mean about watching. I watch it and my husband just can't believe it.

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    Reminds me of Jerry Springer (none / 0) (#63)
    by Fabian on Mon May 04, 2009 at 06:23:08 AM EST
    Once you watch people act like total jerks, you feel a lot better about yourself.  "I'm no saint, but I know I'm better than Those People!".

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    Well, the Padres are losing to (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Sun May 03, 2009 at 04:31:56 PM EST
    the Dodgers again.  But--the good news--Manny is not playing today.  

    Spring really has sprung, at long last (none / 0) (#12)
    by Cream City on Sun May 03, 2009 at 04:54:13 PM EST
    up here in the borderlands with Canada.

    So I'm going to the garden, basking in the beauty of daffodils, more in the last two days than I have been able to do for more than six months.

    And so I'm going to the garden right now for my beloved bells from a nearby belfry that rings out the hour and then, on some hours, favorite hymns.

    All of which is to say that I will be looking at cable news and blogs even less -- and that's good news.  Bye now.

    Longest winter EVER (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 03, 2009 at 07:14:35 PM EST
    where I am north of mid-state VT.  I started wearing longjohns in late October and could only stop about 10 days ago.  With nights still in the low 40s, I do have to use the space heater in my office occasionally, but I flat-out refuse to light up the woodstove again!

    Daffs are almost done here now, but bleeding hearts are already bleeding, my pear trees are starting to flower and my crabapple won't be far behind.  Planted peas and lettuce and radishes and beets, potatoes go in the ground next week.

    Every couple of days, a new bird species comes back -- Orioles today -- and Phoebes, Tree Swallows and Bluebirds are already sitting on eggs.  Turkeys were strutting in the fields across the roads, but they're smarter than they look because they totally disappeared the day the spring turkey hunting season started.

    I have NE-bred friends who moved to Hawaii a while ago, and fled back to Vermont desperate for actual spring rather than perpetual summer.  Strikes me that it's easy to understand the deep resonance of the Resurrection for people in northern climates since we see it in front of our eyes every year.

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    Yup (5.00 / 3) (#57)
    by cal1942 on Mon May 04, 2009 at 12:56:16 AM EST
    I have NE-bred friends who moved to Hawaii a while ago, and fled back to Vermont desperate for actual spring rather than perpetual summer.  Strikes me that it's easy to understand the deep resonance of the Resurrection for people in northern climates since we see it in front of our eyes every year.

    Some of us beliveve that four seasons are a feature not a bug.

    In these latitudes springtime is like being born all over again.  It's worth it just for that feeling.


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    It was snowing here 10 days ago (none / 0) (#70)
    by Cream City on Mon May 04, 2009 at 01:12:08 PM EST
    and then hit 80 two days later.  Now it's settled into appropriate springtime 60s . . . although it still could snow or hit 90 in May here, who knows.

    So, yep, as you and Cal say, we have the pleasure of a real spring . . . over and over and over, every week or so for a while!  

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    My roses are setting buds, (none / 0) (#17)
    by scribe on Sun May 03, 2009 at 05:37:23 PM EST
    so in a week or two I'll be inundated with flowers if all works out.

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    I wonder (none / 0) (#14)
    by lentinel on Sun May 03, 2009 at 05:13:42 PM EST
    what people, especially those opposed to the war, think about our staying in Iraq for at least another year.

    I have heard the reason given that if we leave there will be chaos and a bloodbath. But I don't buy it.

    I'm curious what others think about this.

    "We must be as careful getting out as we (none / 0) (#21)
    by KeysDan on Sun May 03, 2009 at 06:35:02 PM EST
    were careless going in".  Guess we have all heard something along these lines; and, if this is the standard we will have to be really, really, very, very careful getting out, for going in continues to take the gold for carelessness, if not criminality. Here was a country that had to be invaded to stop the mushroom cloud even though under sanctions for 10 years, a no fly zone over half its land,  criss-crossed by weapons inspectors, and ....oh, the rest is in the don't get me started department. Now, about the getting out part.  Since our occupation, chaos and blood-letting are  commonplace, although the surge and its buy-offs of tribal leaders have lessened it.  Diplomacy, which includes tactics such as continued buy offs and oil revenue negotiations, are key to the withdrawal plan.  It seems to me that military withdrawal is essential to make progress toward any semblance of civil  normalcy. Unfortunately, it will come with violence at anytime we decide to leave, but leave we must.  Besides, "combat troops" are what we hear about in a withdrawal plan, with something like 50,000 troops remaining to provide 'security.'  The timelines shift with the sands, and will continue to be manipulated.  I say let's aspire to a little less parity for the out than the in. Throw caution to the wind and save American and Iraqi lives, and cut the loss of $12 billion a month in direct costs.  

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    Like Vietnam (none / 0) (#30)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 03, 2009 at 07:18:58 PM EST
    it may well not be possible to leave behind a stable country, although Iraq's problems are very different from the situation in Vietnam.  At some point, we simply have to pull the plug and let what's going to happen happen.  There's no easy out here.

    I'm inclined to give the Obama administration the benefit of the doubt on it for a while, as long as they seem to be continuing to proceed towards disengagement.  I don't think (crossing fingers and toes real hard) they suffer from the level of delusion Johnson and Nixon did with Vietnam.

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    I dont (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 03, 2009 at 10:19:12 PM EST
    think Obama is going to get out simply because he doesnt want the disintegration to happen on his watch. He seems to be playing the Nixon game of saying we're getting out and drawing down troops in some areas but never really leaving. As I understand it, Obama's plan really isnt get to get troops out as he wants to maintain a permanent base there.

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    a while (none / 0) (#43)
    by lentinel on Sun May 03, 2009 at 09:06:51 PM EST
    Obama's "a while" is a minimum of a year.
    Why do you think that our disengagement should take so long?

    I think we should be having an intense and healthy debate on the subject instead of giving these people any benefits of any doubts.

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    Really actually (none / 0) (#47)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 03, 2009 at 09:56:06 PM EST
    not so easy to get all those guys and equpment out of there in an orderly way.  Seriously.  It takes many months just on the logistics, never mind if you're trying to leave things gradually enough that local "good guys" remain in control as you withdraw.  It takes a long time to get troops ready to go in there, and it takes even longer to get them out after years of occupation.

    Do try to remember the numbers involved here!  It's not like 5,000 guys in Grenada.

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    All the more reason to keep the pressure on (none / 0) (#54)
    by caseyOR on Sun May 03, 2009 at 10:24:14 PM EST
    Obama to withdraw. You're right, withdrawal will take some time if we are to minimize damage to both our troops and to the Iraqis. The need for careful planning and execution is the very reason we must keep up the pressure. It would be all to easy for Obama or Gates or Petraeus to drag their feet on getting out of Iraq and blame the delay on the need to be careful.

    i think the Pentagon still thinks that the disaster that is Iraq can still be turned into a magical victory for Democracy if only we hang in a bit longer. I do not trust any of them on this. And I don't trust Obama to oppose Gates to vigorously.

    What is that saying? "Trust, but verify." Well, don't believe a word they say, but for heaven's sake, verify like crazy.

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    Careful (none / 0) (#61)
    by lentinel on Mon May 04, 2009 at 05:14:26 AM EST
    I have heard this before.
    I just have not heard exactly what we must do to withdraw "carefully" in any detail whatsoever.
    I still don't know why it must drag on for over a year.
    Why is longer, safer?
    Why isn't faster, safer?

    What is our current proposal for withdrawal?
    And - does it depend on whether or not the Maliki government (whatever that is) "authorizes" us to continue to fight in trouble spots - of which there will be many popping up I'm sure.

    And, of course, we all know that Obama is planning to leave 50,000 troops there after our "withdrawal". Why? This should be a subject for discussion and debate. To protect our "interests" is the only rubbery rationale I've seen.

    Behind all my skepticism is my feeling that the Obama administration does not really want to withdraw. They want, as caseyOR says above, something to show for all we have put into Iraq. A stable government. A permanent place to hang our hats in the mid-East. Something. So it seems to me that unless our gutless government (now in the hands of a very bizarre collection of democrats - including Arlen Specter(!) - passes definitive legislation, we're not going anywhere. Just shuffling.

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    Celtics outlasted the Bulls (none / 0) (#15)
    by Linkmeister on Sun May 03, 2009 at 05:19:54 PM EST
    in what looked like two very tired teams.

    Yes, the Dodgers may very well sweep the Padres in this series, which would be nice from this old LA fan's POV.

    Red Wings 3, Ducks 3 (none / 0) (#18)
    by scribe on Sun May 03, 2009 at 05:38:07 PM EST
    going into overtime #3.

    And I'm back to the TV.

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    OMG, LINKMEISTER... (none / 0) (#22)
    by oldpro on Sun May 03, 2009 at 06:49:17 PM EST
    you dare to bring up game 7 as if BTD didn't KNOW and wasn't in mourning?  Criminy, he HATES the Celtics.  HATES THEM!  Did you miss that yesterday?

    To quote Charlie Brown, "Good grief."

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    Oops (none / 0) (#56)
    by Linkmeister on Mon May 04, 2009 at 12:46:55 AM EST
    Well, call it Tough Love, then. ;)

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    Heh. (none / 0) (#58)
    by oldpro on Mon May 04, 2009 at 01:58:06 AM EST
    Yeah...like Lucy with the football.

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    If it weren't for the fact that there were two... (none / 0) (#28)
    by dell on Sun May 03, 2009 at 07:09:39 PM EST
    serious injuries (which is never a joking matter), I would point to the recent irrefutable evidence that there is a God:

    http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7015006484

    Jack Kemp died (none / 0) (#42)
    by Demi Moaned on Sun May 03, 2009 at 08:39:30 PM EST
    Really really bad sign (none / 0) (#65)
    by CST on Mon May 04, 2009 at 10:21:52 AM EST
    The times is trying to shut down the globe.

    I have heard rumors that John Henry, owner of the Red Sox, may try to buy the paper.

    I really hope this is true, I can't imagine my city without a real newspaper (the Herald is a glorified tabloid).

    I know this is happening all over.  But I never thought it would happen here.

    I'm wondering if it happening all over (none / 0) (#66)
    by oculus on Mon May 04, 2009 at 10:25:13 AM EST
    or just in the U.S.

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    good point (none / 0) (#67)
    by CST on Mon May 04, 2009 at 10:27:11 AM EST
    although my U.S. centric mind meant "all over the U.S." when I said that.

    It's sad, because it's not even readership that's a problem.  People still get their news from the globe.  They just don't get jobs from the newspapers anymore.

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    People do get jobs from papers, still (none / 0) (#69)
    by Cream City on Mon May 04, 2009 at 12:45:26 PM EST
    as it's just that most of the job sites for most people, the local ones, are sponsored by the local paper.  But increasingly, employers who used to take the package of both online and print now are opting just for the online ad.

    And then the newspapers are screwed.  Why?  It turns out that 60 to 80 percent of online ad revenue goes to Google.

    That's what's killing newspapers -- the decline in ad revenue to them.  Ad revenue overall is not that much down, it's just more of it going to Google . . . and when the newspapers have to do the work of taking the ads, which requires more staff, etc.

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    Tax havens (none / 0) (#71)
    by CST on Mon May 04, 2009 at 01:21:42 PM EST
    on notice.

    Obama is planning to change the tax code to crack down on deductions taken for businesses overseas.