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Obama to Implement Benefits to Same-Sex Partners of Federal Employees

President Obama will sign an executive order tomorrow extending health care and other benefits to the gay /lesbian partners of federal employees

At Huffpo: Obama Offers Gays a Consolation Prize.

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    Necessary but insufficient pandering (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by andgarden on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 08:35:23 PM EST
    I say we're owed much more than this.

    Why would you believe that? (none / 0) (#35)
    by Radix on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 10:56:55 AM EST
    Whoopee (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Yman on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 08:48:43 PM EST
    I guess he had to do something, but the timing of this is just too transparent.  Is anyone going to buy this?

    It just looks desperate.

    I would say (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 08:58:43 PM EST
    that the timing is quite unfortunate.

    Yeah, he slapped us around, but he (5.00 / 8) (#6)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 09:22:10 PM EST
    loves us. And look at the pretty flowers he brought us today. He's sorry he had to hit us, but we made him do it. Why won't we just shut up, just quit saying things that make him look bad?

    Yes, I am comparing this entire episode to an abusive relationship. Why? Because that's what it is. LGBT organizations couldn't wait to jump on the Obama bandwagon, even after he was so disrespectful during the primaries (Donnie McClurkin) and wouldn't stop yammering about how he does not support same-sex marriage and could barely bring himself to be in the same room with anyone from the gay press. Oh, and let's not forget Rick Warren and the backtracking on DADT.

    And, yes, Hillary would be better on LGBT issues. She has a clear history of working with LGBT groups during her time in the Senate. She was honored by the Human Rights Campaign for her work. And, while she never said she supported same-sex marriage, she also never said she opposed it. And she never used her religion to try to hide bigotry. I absolutely believe a Hillary Clinton Justice Department would not have submitted that blatantly homophobic legal brief the other day.

    So, yeah, extend the benefits to federal employees, but don't forget that because of DOMA the LGBT employees have to pay taxes on those benefits and straight married employees do not.

    Fair Enough (1.66 / 3) (#8)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 09:26:26 PM EST
    Of course while were forwarding hypotheticals, Hillary would have backed an military strike on Iran and we would now be (along with Israel) involved in a massive war with Iran. After all she was clearly more bellicose on Foriegn Policy as a whole and the issue of Iran in particular, but I'm sure you'll consider my generalization to be unfair while your's is okay.

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    Mine is based on facts, (5.00 / 5) (#11)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 09:32:23 PM EST
    not speculation. Hillary has a history with the LGBT community. Her  actions and her statements speak for themselves. As do Obama's.

    And, I don't agree that she was more bellicose on either FP or on Iran. She was quite clear that a nuclear strike by Iran on Israel or any of our other allies in the middle east would be met with swift action on the part of the U.S. Do you think Obama's response, or any other American president's response would be different? I don't.

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    Oh Hillary (5.00 / 5) (#15)
    by lilburro on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 10:44:45 PM EST
    also would've released the sugar plum fairies from Guantanamo, and given raises to Planet Earth.

    Point being?  IRAN ISN'T WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.  Sure Obama is better than McCain and Hillary in some respects.  But don't you dare try to distract from his bigoted DOMA brief with other issues.  This is the issue.  It will never be resolved if we take the Obama approach ("hey, well, healthcare...")

    DOMA was a long time ago...before gay marriage was legal anywhere.  If your standards are the 90s, good for you.  But he has chosen to crap upon the gay community.  He owns it.  And until he makes significant measures to do just that, the stink is still upon him.

    Obviously this isn't about Iran.  This is about us.  And there's nothing wrong with that, BTW.

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    Really? (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Yman on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 07:07:43 AM EST
    Did Iran launch a nuclear strike recently?  After all, the question she was answering was premised on a nuclear first-strike by Iran.

    I can't believe the media missed that one.

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    Since you went there (5.00 / 4) (#34)
    by jbindc on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 07:27:27 AM EST
    Hillary was (once again) ahead of Obama on this:

    The Advocate has obtained a draft of a letter from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to employees of the State Department that details her intentions to extend certain benefits to same-sex partners of foreign service officers posted abroad.

    "Historically, domestic partners of Foreign Service members have not been provided the same training, benefits, allowances, and protections that other family members receive. These inequities are unfair and must end. Providing training, medical care, and other benefits to domestic partners promote the cohesiveness, safety, and effectiveness of our posts abroad," says the letter.

    The letter explains that the department will be "exercising its inherent authority to change its regulations in the Foreign Affairs Manual and Department of State Standardized Regulations" in order to allow domestic partners of foreign service personnel to qualify as family members. "Where appropriate, this extension of benefits and allowances will apply to the children of domestic partners as well."

    Providing these benefits to all employees, notes the letter, will help the department "attract and retain personnel in a competitive environment where domestic partner benefits and allowances are increasingly the norm for world-class employers. At bottom, the Department will provide these benefits for both opposite-sex and same-sex domestic partners because it is the right thing to do."

    The letter appears to be the culmination of Secretary Clinton's work with LGBT employee groups at the State Department. A source familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity said the letter was drafted by senior officials at the department and represents the secretary's thinking on the issue. The letter currently awaits final approval from senior government lawyers.


    The draft is consistent with statements made this week by California congressman Howard Berman that Secretary Clinton is committed to equalizing the treatment of gay employees of the State Department and that he anticipated an announcement on the matter soon.



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    Man (1.33 / 3) (#9)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 09:27:13 PM EST
    the president who signed DOMA into law must have been a real enemy to the LGBT community.

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    If you don't know the history of DOMA (5.00 / 5) (#12)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 09:34:03 PM EST
    then do a little research before you throw that old chestnut around. It has been discussed here many times.

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    Ol' Abe (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by lilburro on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 10:47:37 PM EST
    was a real gay hater too!

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    Yawn (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Yman on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 07:09:53 AM EST
    Did that President ever promise to oppose or repeal DOMA?  Did his administration file a brief comparing homosexuality to incest and pederasty?

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    According to Think Progress, (5.00 / 5) (#10)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 09:30:41 PM EST
    the benefits will be offered to the same sex partners of some federal employees - some, not all.  I've been looking around and I cannot find another source that qualifies this as being limited to "some" federal employees, so who knows whether it's all federal employees or just some.

    As long as someone can put a pen in Obama's hand, he's the man of the hour; is that better than nothing?  I suppose it is, but I don't know that it represents real leadership.  And the fact that is comes less than 10 days before a big, $1,000/plate Democratic fundraiser with prominent gay Democrats, and right after that abomination of a brief in support of DOMA, well, it all just seems a little too convenient.

    Not an Executive Order (5.00 / 7) (#17)
    by jeniferea on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 10:49:58 PM EST
    A Presidential Memorandum, that will EXPIRE when he leaves office.

    I just read this too (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by magster on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 11:07:20 PM EST
    What an insult.

    Is there a Rasputin who has Obama's ear on gay issues? Obama's behavior on this issue is really hard to understand.

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    Health insurance benefits not part of the deal (5.00 / 7) (#25)
    by caseyOR on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 12:00:12 AM EST
    LGBT federal employees will get some of the same benefits straight married employees get, but not all the health insurance goodies.

    And, today's announcement was made in hopes of quieting some of the outrage over the DOMA brief. Read through the NY Times story. Some major donors, who happen to be gay and lesbian, have pulled out of a big upcoming Democratic fundraiser because of the DOMA brief.

    Even if health was included, (5.00 / 5) (#26)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 01:23:33 AM EST
    for the gay community as a whole, it's still splitting and dividing. What about all the gays that don't work for the FG? And why the F*** aren't all the health insurance goodies included?!

    Thanks for the link

    But administration officials said the timing of the announcement was intended to help contain the growing furor among gay rights groups. Several gay donors withdrew their sponsorship of a Democratic National Committee fund-raising event next week, where Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. is scheduled to speak.

    Got bone, will throw . . {sigh}

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    Hopefully more donors pull out of (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 06:49:26 AM EST
    the big upcoming Democratic fundraiser because of the DOMA brief and not just gay and lesbian donors. This is a matter of civil rights and basic respect.

    The LGBT community and liberals need to quite being pacified by the meager bones that the Dems are throwing if they ever hope to succeed in obtaining their objectives.

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    How generous of Obama. (none / 0) (#42)
    by MyLeftMind on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 03:24:31 PM EST
    He's giving federal employees rights they already have.

    Have bone, will toss.

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    Hmmm, well, this means the pro-gay political (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by masslib on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 04:04:11 AM EST
    movement has a lot more muscle to flex than supporters may believe.  This is quite good.  Not good on Obama.  Good for a pretty organized movement that is bearing some fruit.  Gays have a very high level of voting participation, and then of course there are a lot of us, gay and otherwise, who see equality for gays as the civil rights movement of our generation.  

    Gay Obots need to step away from the Kool-Aid, (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by JoeCHI on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 10:58:55 AM EST
    STOP circling the wagons, grow a pair, and demand that Obama fulfill his campaign pledges.

    After all, self-loathing is so 1980's!

    Gee, (2.50 / 4) (#3)
    by bocajeff on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 08:51:55 PM EST
    He does something right and the first two posters are upset. Hmmmmmm....

    Upset? No. Unsatisfied? You bet your rear. (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by andgarden on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 08:54:17 PM EST
    Yeah it's awesome (5.00 / 5) (#18)
    by lilburro on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 10:52:40 PM EST
    so are we still all in incestuous relationships though?  Oh, I'm sorry, I was only talking in Obamaspeak about the gay among us...

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    yes you are! (5.00 / 4) (#21)
    by mexboy on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 11:21:00 PM EST
    and you shouldn't steal the benefits from heterosexual marriages. It doesn't matter that you pay taxes; those benefits are not meant for deviants and as punishment you should pay more taxes so that  heterosexual marriages  can thrive.
    SNARK

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    Mmm (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 11:50:47 PM EST
    a bone, but with no meat on it.  I guess the GLBT community should be happy that at least it wasn't a chicken bone.

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    Not a suprise (1.33 / 3) (#7)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 09:22:35 PM EST
    as much as I like Talkleft, its not exactly unpredictable- with the exception of BTD's pragmatism, virtually any Obama action will be met with derison, its like the Daily Kos and Hillary during the primaries.

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    Your guy won, get over it (5.00 / 4) (#13)
    by The Addams Family on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 10:29:21 PM EST
    TL is exactly like Kos (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by talesoftwokitties on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 10:41:21 PM EST
     and Hillary during the primaries.  Yeah right.

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    What? (5.00 / 7) (#20)
    by mexboy on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 11:14:36 PM EST
    So he throws crumbs at a community he just compared to pedophilia and incest in an uncalled for, aggressive attack, to supposedly defend "traditional marriage."

    Are you kidding me?

    Everyone who understands and cares for human rights should be up in arms about it, not just the gay community. And his contradictory actions should not be white-washed.

    The damage he inflicted on real people's psyche, not to mention their civil rights, is not atoned with this meager offering.

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    The only time TalkLeft (5.00 / 6) (#22)
    by Spamlet on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 11:43:37 PM EST
    is like D-Kos during the primaries is when you emerge to indulge your curiously negative obsession about Hillary Clinton.

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    If you go over to (5.00 / 5) (#23)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 11:49:31 PM EST
    DailyKOS, Obama's particular action here is met with derision by none other than Mr. KOS himself.

    Huffington is against it.

    Aravosis is against it.

    All were very much supporters of Obama, and very much Clinton haters.

    Go read and see.

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    Kos was deriding Obama ... (none / 0) (#33)
    by Yman on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 07:19:13 AM EST
    ... during the primaries?!?!

    You must have them confused with one of their affiliates - www.BizzaroKos.com.

    I do like the irony in your statements, given your predilection to attack Hillary for virtually any Obama action.

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    Presumably He (2.00 / 1) (#28)
    by bob h on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 05:03:43 AM EST
    will fix the gays in the military thing when the Republicans national security onslaught has passed, when he has the upper hand on national security.

    The Republicans national security (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 06:44:08 AM EST
    onslaught will pass about the same time that pigs fly.

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    Believe it or not ! (none / 0) (#37)
    by Familyguy2 on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 11:05:11 AM EST
     Everyone by now knows where our Country is
    Headed,  Who is kidding who?  Where have
    Americas values gone!, My wife and I both Americans work full time, No benefits for 2 kids either.  Never
    received stimulus checks because of past owed tax.
    just like 35% of Americans,
    The illegal Mexicans on the streets dont owe gov.
    nothing at all. Now all the Gay Spouses are  entitled to Benefits. When now, Health Insurance we found to be such a burden, We all know our economy will not rebound without repairing it.
    Did anyone hear Pres Obama at the Doctors Briefing
    Monday suggest Doctors should maybe get "Bonuses"?
    Couldnt believe what i was hearing.
    Mr Obama, I was wondering when will the bonuses go out for trying to be a good Straight American citizen
    even if I couldnt be 100% perfect, just trying
    my best.  

    Bill D    Long Island  N.Y


    Obama plays both sides of this issue (none / 0) (#38)
    by MyLeftMind on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 11:40:34 AM EST
    The best way to handle him is to push him for more concessions and raise a public stink every time he indulges the right wing.

    There's no point in arguing  whether or not Hillary would be supporting the gay community more than Obama. In spite of her excellent work as SOS, we really have no guarantees that she would do the same as President. In fact, her extension of a subset of benefits to same-sex partners of foreign service officers posted abroad was certainly done with the Obama Admin's approval. And full benefits are still not afforded to all State department employees. Regardless, the argument that Hillary would have been better is a moot point now.

    I submit that the real issue is how to get any Democratic president to do what's right on this civil rights issue. Elected Democrats are scared sh!tless on this issue because the number of people pushing for equality is a small percentage of Democrats, probably slightly larger than the percentage of LGBT citizens. Progressives keep saying something should be done, but as a group, Dems aren't demanding anything.

    The fact that Obama's thrown us a bone today means he/they are willing to act to deflect full scale disgust in our party. The last thing the Dems need is a big news report about a en mass protest withdrawal from a fundraiser. If we can create even the inkling of a movement that would undermine their high level donations, Obama will be pressured from Dems in Congress to get on the stick.

    We should immediately contact everyone planning to attend the next fundraiser and ask them to refuse to go until Obama and the Democrats in Congress take a real step toward repealing DOMA. A simple joint statement by potential attendees indicating that they are withdrawing from this and future fundraisers until a bill repealing DOMA is submitted would work wonders.

    Anyone know how to contact the next fundraiser invitees?

    Received an email a bit earlier (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 12:27:50 PM EST
    Former Hillary supporters are protesting to the hosts of the event and the DNC. Also mention boycotting the event, so if I see some sort of contact list, I'll let you know. Right now it's just:

    Tom Petrillo, Chair
    LGBT Leadership Council

    Rep. Barney Frank

    Rep. Tammy Baldwin

    Rep. Jared Polis


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    Barney Frank is NOT happy (none / 0) (#40)
    by jbindc on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 12:49:03 PM EST
    Link

    But not enough, apparently, that he thinks gays shouldn't give money:

    Frank said he understands the rage but vowed that the fund-raiser - one of the gay community's biggest of the year - will go on.

    "There are a lot of people who aren't boycotting," he said. "I think it's a mistake to deny money to the DNC."



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    Why the heck do people think (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 01:03:58 PM EST
    we should still give money to organizations that screw us? The bones being thrown at women and gays aren't worth one red cent.

    DNC Treasurer Andrew Tobias, a staunch gay rights advocate, defended Obama, telling Politico, "If this debacle of a brief represented the president's views, I'd boycott too. I totally understand all the hurt and anger . . . (but I) still personally totally believe in the president."

    Um, the brief is still on record and owned by the Obama admin, but doesn't represent his views? I guess the expansion of  the Faith Based office (with a desire to have them involved in policy) and the nom/appointment of Kelley doesn't represent his views on abortion either . . .

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    The Best Little Boy in the World, (none / 0) (#43)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 04:02:55 PM EST
    written under his pseudonym of John Reid, continues to be the goal of Andrew Tobias. Barney Frank, never the best little boy in the world, continues to be the party man.

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