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As regular readers know, I am a strong advocate of Jack Balkin's theories of constitutional interpretation. Here he writes on the related idea of judicial activism. Well worth the read. See also Heather Gerken's response. I think Gerken's piece gets to it a bit better frankly. Both worth reading.

Here's a video:

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    So the question for Balkin is, how long (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by andgarden on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 12:36:27 PM EST
    is the "long run?" it took FDR ages to get rid of the "four horsemen."

    Unless Justice Kennedy decides to retire, we might be in for a long wait.

    The music of (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 12:42:50 PM EST
    the Talking Heads (+TomTom club) never gets old.

    Never, never, never.

    Great video choices (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by lilburro on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 12:55:04 PM EST
    I listened to "Stop Making Sense" a lot over the summer of 2008...you can work this line into "Making Flippy Floppy" pretty well:

    "And Obama protects us
    from the cold and the rain"

    There are no big secrets....don't believe what you read...

    I was going to cough up a photo of (none / 0) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 01:28:35 PM EST
    gazellion BTD but ended up having to babysit granddaughter for about a week now, that's why I've gotten to blog so much and have a reason to ignore chores that don't comply with babysitting needs.  Makes taking dog photos sort of not possible and then spouse comes home in time to eat then fall into bed.  He's no help!  This week though BTD has filled out some.  He's really beginning to come into his own now.  He barks more alerting than his sire now, let's me know if there's a deer down the street or if armadillos are digging in the neighbors garden again.  He's getting pretty macho around here.  I was watching him this morning laying out in the coolness on the porch.  His chest is beginning to deepen and lower.  His earset is gorgeous and his pigment where he is black is becoming a deep black as he loses his puppy coat.  I will get you a photo soon but I don't think it's going to be as ugly as we had hoped :)  I can't wait for Dr. Carmen Battaglia to get a look at him.  I bred him to "fix" everything that is wrong with my prized American beauty Roo Roo.  Dr. Battaglia is the chit when it comes to breeding better dogs.  He even has that website now.  I'm always in awe of him though when he's around.

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    Dr. Carmen Battaglia: The Genius of Love (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:19:28 PM EST
    Darn! (none / 0) (#62)
    by lilburro on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:27:40 PM EST
    Thanks for thinking of me :)  I guess dogs pass through their ugly ducking phase faster than humans.  Too bad for us!

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    Some dogs go through (none / 0) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:29:31 PM EST
    the uglies faster and less painfully than others.  I've got a couple of really really ugly teenager dogs around here. Armando....probably like the other Armando, went through them breezing.

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    Read it and weep: (5.00 / 10) (#4)
    by Anne on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 01:24:06 PM EST
    From Tapped, the blog at The American Prospect, via Corrente:

    ABORTION FOE TO LEAD HHS FAITH-BASED OFFICE.

    President Obama has appointed Alexia Kelley, executive director of Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good (CACG), to head the Center for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships at the Department of Health and Human Services. Kelley is a leading proponent of "common ground" abortion reduction -- only CACG's common ground is at odds with that of Obama. While the administration favors reducing the need for abortion by reducing unintended pregnancies, Kelley has made clear that she seeks instead to reduce access to abortion. That is an extremely disturbing development, especially coming this week in the wake of George Tiller's assassination.

    Under George W. Bush, the faith-based centers didn't play a policy role. But Obama has expanded the faith-based project to include a policy side, and one of its chief goals is to reduce the need for abortion.

    [snip]

    Kelley and CACG have made clear they are committed to Catholic doctrine on abortion and birth control. CACG has supported the Pregnant Women's Support Act, aimed at stigmatizing abortion and making it less accessible. In discussing legislation on reducing the need for abortion, Kelley has written that various pieces of legislation concerned with women's health "are not all perfect; some include contraception -- which the Church opposes." Never mind that more than 90 percent of American Catholics use it anyway.

    [snip]

    In a 2008 press teleconference co-sponsored by CACG and Sojourners, Kelley stated that she supported state-imposed restrictions on abortion, such as waiting periods and informed consent. In her 2008 book, A Nation for All, co-written with Chris Korzen, Kelley wrote, "Each abortion constitutes a direct attack on human life, and so we have a special moral obligation to end or reduce the practice of abortion to the greatest extent possible."

    Despite this inflammatory language, Kelley has positioned herself as above the fray of the "culture wars." While she believes making abortion illegal is the best solution, she recognizes that perhaps restricting abortion in other ways is more practical. In A Nation for All, she continued, "Culture warriors in America will argue that to be pro-life, we must ensure that the unborn are protected under the law. This would indeed be an ideal situation. But legal status doesn't always realize the goal that we desire."

    CACG did not issue any public statements about the Tiller assassination, though it signed one by Faith in Public Life condemning the murder. But the statement did not condemn the inciting rhetoric of the anti-choice movement. Rather, it made a kumbaya plea for common ground (which as we have seen, is not so common after all).

    So, what's this?  The pragmatic way to eliminate abortion?  

    I must say that I am overwhelmed by Obama's commitment to the right to choose, and the fitting tribute this pays to Dr. Tiller.

    IT just gets better and better, doesn't it?

    wtf (5.00 / 4) (#5)
    by lilburro on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 01:28:15 PM EST
    who trusts Obama on this issue?  Not me.

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    Once again (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 01:29:50 PM EST
    faith based office......where's my faith represented there?  It's sickening

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    Yeah (5.00 / 3) (#58)
    by lilburro on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:12:22 PM EST
    where is my office for Secularites Who Think the Right Wing Should Mind Their Own Damn Business?

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    heh. wait till you get laid off... (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:13:35 PM EST
    there's an extra 25 a week for you... that's the bone for the common folk.

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    doesnt seem much of a surprise (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 01:32:07 PM EST
    "faith-based" position filled by an abortion foe.
    sort of expected isnt it?

    I am more disturbed by the fact that the photos and addresses of the last two doctors in the country who do late term abortions was posted on right wing sights.

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    Having (5.00 / 6) (#15)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 01:45:55 PM EST
    a "Faith Based" office in a Democratic administration isn't expected.  Period.

    When Bush did it, Democrats considered it anti-constitutional.

    Promoting an abortion foe to such an office gives us a good clue about where Mr. Obama stands on the issue, doesn't it?  

    Not much hope of support for women's rights....unless we all want the right to wear the hijab...one of the few times I've ever heard him take a stand on anything.

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    Clinton was talking about faith based (5.00 / 0) (#17)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 01:52:15 PM EST
    crap.  its not like this is unique to Obama.

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    Let's be honest here (5.00 / 4) (#23)
    by nycstray on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:09:59 PM EST
    she may be religious, she may talk about faith based crap, but there is no way in hell she would be elevating abortion foes. If there is one thing we can count on from her, it's standing up STRONG for women.

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    you dont have to (none / 0) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:13:30 PM EST
    defend Clinton to me.  the only point I was making was that she was doing this too and I think its more about politics than policy.  certainly at least with her.  I guess with Obama we will see.


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    Had Clinton held the presidency (5.00 / 5) (#24)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:12:45 PM EST
    She likely wouldn't have appointed a clearly anti-choice individual to the faith based office (if she'd had one).  Many, many religious people also believe that women should have rights to their own bodies.  

    But Clinton's feet would have been held to the fire if she had done such a nasty thing.  The Democratic masses would have been screaming bloody murder over this.  Obama is fawned over, no matter what he does, which is just as dangerous as Bush after 9/11.

    And BTW, I didn't say Clinton wouldn't have done the same.  It's clearly wrong whoever does it.  Period.
    But the truth is we have no idea what Clinton would have done in the office of the presidency.  And it doesn't matter in the least anyway.  Clinton will never be president.

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    never is a long time (5.00 / 0) (#28)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:15:55 PM EST
    as as far as no idea what she would have done, you can look at what she did in the past.

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    Yes (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:19:40 PM EST
    8 years is also a long time.

    Then, she will be
    67 years old
    still a woman
    and still Hillary Clinton -- still hated

    It doesn't matter what she's doing now, did then or will do in the future.  Hillary Clinton is irrelevant to this discussion.

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    whatever (none / 0) (#31)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:23:36 PM EST
    Don't you think it is valuable to have a (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by BobTinKY on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:36:23 PM EST
    Democratic President who is "fawned over" than one whose every move, fairly or unfairly, ignites  the right wing and their media enablers.  Sure, it's BS and both Clintons are and have been victimized to no end by this, but seriously, we got work to do and having someone in office whose every spoken word does not set off a media supported right wing frenzy has its value.  Just as it was important for Reagan to begin his dismantling of the New Deal, likability is important for Obama to begin restoring some semblance of sanity to this nation.

    Now I crticize Obama, he is not the progressive I would prefer to have as President, neither is Clinton.  But my type of candidates (Dean, Hell even Kucinich) do not win nationally, not yet anyway.  I do not think Obama's commitment to a woman's right to choose, however, should be in doubt at this late date.  And I do not see how the head of this ridiculous WH faith office changes that.

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    amen (5.00 / 0) (#39)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:40:35 PM EST
    to everything.  it was hard for me to come to that point of view but I have.  and its not so much that every word doesnt start a right wing firestorm, it seems it does, but that with Obama there is a firebreak between the right wing noise machine and the main stream press.

    it sucks but thats life.

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    We just need to keep pressure on Obama (5.00 / 0) (#44)
    by BobTinKY on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:51:28 PM EST
    to deliver for progressives, public option being my number one concern at the moment (prosecuting torture, dumping Rubin-proteges and not far behind).

    You're right that he, like all elected officials, is a politician  He will do 99.9% of the time what he beleives is in his own best interests to get re-elected.  Demonstrating to him that being spineless or caving into right wing nuts is more of a threat to his re-election than standing up to long assumed, but I suspect no longer valid, GOP "strengths."

    The GOP sucks, indeed has sucked since Lincoln died,  and everyone knows it now.   Kick them when their down, extra hard.

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    amen (none / 0) (#47)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:55:09 PM EST
    again

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    Why do you think (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by dk on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:48:00 PM EST
    obam's commitment to a woman's right to choose should be in doubt?  Because he says so?  

    He has loudly proclaimed that he did not ask his supreme court nominee what her views are on the matter.  That's an action that speaks louder than any words he has spoken on his commitment, as far as I'm concerned.

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    isnt it pretty much a tradition (none / 0) (#43)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:51:25 PM EST
    to not ask, or at least say in public that you did not ask, the nominee their views on pretty much any subject that might come before them.

    it doesnt mean it didnt ask.


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    So, your position is that he is lying (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by dk on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:58:29 PM EST
    when he says he didn't ask Sotomayor about her opinion on the the fundmenatl right of women's control over their own bodies?  

    If you think he's a liar, though, how do we not know that, instead, he is lying when he said that he has a commitment to maintaining a women's fundamental legal right to control her own body?  

    I just think it's a dangerous premise to base your trust on someone on your own ability to discern when they are lying and when they aren't.  That seems like a futile endeavor to me.  

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    All politicians shade the truth (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by BobTinKY on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:03:52 PM EST
    it is to what extent & for what purpose that they do so that matters.

    Obviously, it would not serve Obama's interets in 2012 to have an anti-choice judge he appointed sitting on the COurt.  He knows that and you can be sure his team did their due diligence.

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    Well, his nominees will (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by dk on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:08:12 PM EST
    be on the court much longer than 2012.  What if the decision overturning Roe comes down in 2013.  What does he care?  Does he care?  We don't know.  

    Your theories all seem based on trust (I trust that either he asked her and he's lying, or he had someone else ask so he's not technically lying, etc.).  But you don't know.

    On the one hand, you seem fine with "pols will be pols" yet on the other hand you're willing to leave women's reproductive rights to your trust in a pol without a track record of action but rather with a track record of campaign speeches.  Frankly, I just don't understand that.

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    do you understand (none / 0) (#67)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:30:03 PM EST
    that no nominee is ever asked their position on controversial issues that may come before them?


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    Do you understand (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by dk on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:37:23 PM EST
    that Alito, as an appelate court judge, dissented from the decision of the third circuit in Planned Parenthood v. Casey to strike down a state law requiring spousal notification before a women could have an abortion?

    We have no such paper trail for Sotomayor, either way.  But you seem satisfied with taking Obama's word for it.

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    my "position" (none / 0) (#49)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:01:01 PM EST
    is that supposedly presidents, or anyone else, doesnt ask nominees their views on subjects that may come before them.

    and no, I am not saying he is "lying".  perhaps he did not ask but that does not mean he doesnt know.

    ok?


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    If your name was "Bobbie" (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by itscookin on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:50:29 PM EST
    instead of "Bob", you might be questioning Obama's commitment to a woman's right to choose "at this late date". Nothing Obama has said or done has made me at all sure that he supports that right. Or any other women's rights. I was particularly struck by his Cairo comments about men and women not needing to choose the same path to be considered equal. When are the "men only" water fountains being installed?
    Bobbie

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    He ran for President and won all the while (5.00 / 0) (#50)
    by BobTinKY on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:01:03 PM EST
    repeating his commitment to a woman's right to choose.  If had any waffling on the matter wouldn't he do it when running, when backtracking or being more vague on the matter might have been politically advantageous in the general election?  

    I have not read or heard the Cairo speech   What is it exactly about the idea that "men and women not needing to choose the same path to be considered equal" you have a problem with?  Sounds eminently sensible to me but perhaps that is because I am a left wing, pro-ERA (when it mattered), pro-choice,  Democratic voting BOb.

    And for the record I do not support gender restrictions on bubblers unless the bubbler resides within a restroom or locker room.  

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    No, I do not think it is better (5.00 / 3) (#64)
    by Anne on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:28:44 PM EST
    to have a Democratic president - or any variety of president - be fawned over.  Obama gets plenty of flak from the right wing, but the coverage of him in a large segment of the mainstream and on the blogs is fairly worthless if you believe that one role of the media is to inform the citizenry and serve as a check on power.  

    I don't think anyone wants the kind of unrelenting nit-picking that can slow an agenda to a crawl, but I do think the media should be asking more questions, investigating more issues, informing the public about what our government is up to, and seeking accountability and answers.  Instead, we have had a steady diet of breathless cheerleading that is not serving us well.

    I do not understand why you don't question Obama's commitment to a woman's right to choose; he says the words, but he has made pretty clear that he thinks a woman needs a contingent of men to help her decide what to do.  He's brushed off the Freedom of Choice Act as not being a top priority, he's always mushing about with the language about common ground and now, he has appointed an anti-abortion, anti-choice person to the Faith-based Initiatives office of HHS.  One, that's an office that should have been allowed to wither on the vine, and two, how does that appointment affirm his commitment to choice?  

    To me, it represents a lack of core principles and a fear of being on the "wrong" side of something and having to suffer the opposite of adoration; I think at some point one needs to ask why this man can keep saying one thing and doing another - and then acting as if he's being consistent.  I know politicians are famous for being a little slippery, but I think Obama has taken it to a new level, and on so many things his actions have represented further incursions on our rights through an extension of executive power, and are indistinguishable from much of what Bush/Cheney did.

    I can see no political or ideological advantage in Obama being the subject of a fawning media, because in this case, Obama is proving to not share the ideology that those who voted for him expected him to fight for and represent - and - I do not think it serves the country well to have a media that cannot be objective.


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    Yes (5.00 / 4) (#70)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:35:07 PM EST
    For our Democracy, it's better to have a president whose every move is criticized than it is to have one whose every move is adored.  No, it's not better for "Democratic popularity" but I couldn't give two cares about how popular Democrats are if the reason for popularity is because they aren't being questioned for anything they do.

    Remember Bush after 9/11?  He was untouchable, got away with horrendous acts.  How was that for our country?  How was that for ensuring transparency in government?  How was that for ensuring the correct actions were done?

    If you don't think the right wing is all over Obama, you don't watch or listen to anything right wing.  It would make no difference if it was Clinton.

    I want Obama's every move criticized.  I don't care who does it.  

    And, if Clinton had done the same hideous things Obama is doing now I'd feel the same way about her as I do about Obama.
     

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    Not set off a frenzy? (none / 0) (#55)
    by lilburro on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:09:27 PM EST
    The right wing is still in a frenzy all the time.  Sotomayor, socialism, they throw a sh*t fit regardless of who is in office.  What matters is how the President deals with it.  

    When is a politician ever committed to anything?  Obama ought to reaffirm his commitment to a woman's right to choose when he has the opportunity and he obviously recently has.  There are many reasons for this - one of them is to give support to the dominant view in our society, that women DO have the right to choose.  Why give the anti-choice movement reason to believe they have support in anything??  

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    Yup (5.00 / 4) (#18)
    by ruffian on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 01:52:22 PM EST
    The continued existence of the office at all, much less its expansion, is the thing I'm most angry about. I did not expect the director to be anyone I would agree with on anything. Still, this appointment does seem beyond even the worst I would have expected. An opponent of birth control? How does that fit into HHS at all?

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    lets hope its just a bone (none / 0) (#20)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 01:56:22 PM EST
    thrown to the wingnuts.  not much else to do.


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    I dunno, afaik he hasn't reversed the (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by nycstray on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:15:47 PM EST
    "conscience rule" yet and has relegated Freedom of Choice Act to the back burner.

    Didn't he also hang on to Bush's abstinence only guy?

    Oh, and I prefer my rights not to be a bone thrown to the wingnuts, tyvm.

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    I am hardly defending Obama (none / 0) (#29)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:19:09 PM EST
    what I am saying is that we have no idea if this person will have any real influence on the policy of the administration as far as abortion is concerned.  

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    I don't trust Obama at all (5.00 / 6) (#33)
    by nycstray on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:30:18 PM EST
    on women's issues. AT ALL. He has never convinced me and all this crap about "reaching a common ground" is enough to make me go ballistic. Throwning bones to wingnuts, same effect :)

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    I dont trust Obama on any issue (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:34:10 PM EST
    except to do what is good for Obama.  I think we can trust that.  and doing anything substantive that would curtail the right to an abortion would seem, politically, an extremely stupid thing to do.

    he may be many things he is not stupid.

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    No he's not stupid (5.00 / 4) (#57)
    by nycstray on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:11:08 PM EST
    but he's also very capable of inaction as on the 2 issues I mentioned above. Now they may not effect you, but they sure as hell effect me and every other woman. "Back burnering" women's issues is no better than promoting a abortion foe.

    This shouldn't even be a freakin' issue!!!

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    On a practical level (none / 0) (#61)
    by lilburro on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:22:38 PM EST
    the assassination of one of the few late term abortion doctors in our country is a huge problem for women in terms of access to a needed health service.  On a practical level, allowing anti-choicers to humiliate and harass clinic volunteers, visitors and staff, is a problem as well.  A politician who is truly pro-choice needs to show support.  Sure, people have a right to protest abortion.  But if you are pro-choice you have an obligation to support those who are making the choice you support in the abstract.  This is sad and a product of pro-choicers staying silent:

    We've gone significantly backwards since I started doing abortions 20 years ago. 89% of counties in the U.S. have no abortion provider, up from 82% several years ago. In a big part of the country where the population is largely rural, abortion providers are very spread out. For the clinics it means providers have to be brought in, since local doctors don't want to be involved, fearing an effect on their local practices. This is an added cost and difficult in terms of time, etc. In many states, it's not unusual for patients to have to travel hundreds of miles to obtain an abortion. There's no clinic in Wyoming, a handful in all of Montana, one in South Dakota, one in North Dakota. It's difficult to find services or even accurate information and referrals if you live in rural areas. And where will the patient go for follow-up care if there is no physician in her hometown she can trust?

    Dr. Susan Wicklund

    I ask that Obama shows concern about this, as someone who is pro-choice.  The Presidency is about moral leadership and not just past voting records.

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    I was stunned (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:39:04 PM EST
    that the photos and addresses of the two remaining late term doctors were posted yesterday on the web and there is apparently nothing that can be done about that

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    Oy. (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by nycstray on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:08:16 PM EST
    That's chilling.

    I've stood toe to toe with some of those folks while protecting clinics. I think the most disturbing was their young children so totally brainwashed. I sure hope they have very good protection for the good Drs, their families and their coworkers.

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    I dont think it is an issue (none / 0) (#81)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:53:54 PM EST
    the nomination is made.  what exactly would you like us to do?  if it will make you feel better I can try to join the hysteria over what is most likely a completely meaningless, as far as actual policy goes, nomination.


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    See my comment below. (none / 0) (#82)
    by dk on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:57:23 PM EST
    Obama specifically said in a speech during the campaign that this office will be a "critical part of [his] administration" (his words, not mine).

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    oh man (5.00 / 0) (#84)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:59:16 PM EST
    what did you expect him to say. I am making this nomination and it is meaningless and will have absolutely nothing to do with policy?


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    Well, you seem to rely on (none / 0) (#86)
    by dk on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:02:32 PM EST
    some of Obama's campaign promises based on nothing more than trust (his "commitment" to women's reproductive freedom) yet discount other explicit commitments he made.  Perhaps you can share your mindreading skills with the rest of us?

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    this is becoming tiresome (3.00 / 2) (#88)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:07:42 PM EST
    see comment #34 and then please continue with the hysteria.
    I am going home for the weekend.

    ta

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    Yawn, I guess you (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by dk on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:11:54 PM EST
    want to conveniently ignore the fact that Obama's supreme court nominees will be around long after he is running for election for anything.

    Have a great weekend.

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    btw (none / 0) (#105)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:45:53 PM EST
    dont count on 2012 being his "last election"

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    Dog catcher doesn't count. (none / 0) (#107)
    by dk on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:48:09 PM EST
    His last election ever will be (none / 0) (#54)
    by dk on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:09:26 PM EST
    in 2012.  His supreme court appoinments will be around a lot longer than that.

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    I think we have an idea (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by BobTinKY on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:39:41 PM EST
    no influence at all.

    A harmless reach out to "inclusiveness."  

    That said, it is infuriating that the office even exists.

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    I know, but... (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by ruffian on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:04:34 PM EST
    when do I get my bone?

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    My rights (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:37:43 PM EST
    as a human being are not a bone to be thrown to the right wing.

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    I believe I was (none / 0) (#74)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:40:58 PM EST
    talking about a probably meaningless nomination as being a bone thrown to the right wing not "your rights"

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    Probably meaningless, eh? (5.00 / 3) (#77)
    by dk on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:50:21 PM EST
    Obama disagrees with you.

    You must not have heard this speech he made during the campaign, which included these lines:

    I'll establish a new Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. The new name will reflect a new commitment. This Council will not just be another name on the White House organization chart - it will be a critical part of my administration.

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    Meaningless nomination? (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:51:20 PM EST
    That is utter bullsh*t.

    This person's role is to minimize choice rights, provide abstinence only education, REDUCE ACCESS to abortion.  That's not meaningless.  Read the article.  See the roles she's played in the past.  Don't falsely minimize the situation to support your wrong position on the issue.  In addition, Obama has generally extended the "faith based" initiative that Bush enacted into a POLICY position.

    And BTW, my husband made a good point, that your "throw a bone" statement is actually the opposite of how you stated it.  Obama has thrown a few bones at liberals, while essentially running Bush/Cheney's third term.

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    we are talking about (none / 0) (#83)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:57:28 PM EST
    the faith based office here.  do you think that will be the only person in the administration working on things like choice rights, provide abstinence only education?

    really.  that is what it sounds like.

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    And (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:03:50 PM EST
    you have a condescending attitude toward women's rights.

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    and you simply (1.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:11:04 PM EST
    have a condescending attitude

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    But why? Why, if you support a (5.00 / 4) (#93)
    by Anne on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:12:06 PM EST
    woman's right to choose, do you put someone in that office whose mission it is to restrict access to abortion?

    Unless, of course, you aren't really committed to that position, and these nominations are reflective of how you really feel.

    I was already uncomfortable about the extent to which Obama is infusing religion into his administration, but to match up a decidedly anti-choice person with a faith-based office?  Are you kidding me?

    I wonder, Capt., if you would feel so nonchalant if Obama had appointed an anti-gay person who had a track record of working to prevent gays from attaining equal rights, and put them in a faith-based office.  I wonder what it would tell you about his promises and the commitments he made as a candidate - and how threatened you would feel.  I wonder if you would be asking yourself why?  Would you simply see it as a meaningless sop to the right-wing, or as a warning sign that whatever progress had been made was about to go into reverse?

    How can you not get this?

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    Captain, it seems, to me, (5.00 / 3) (#90)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:09:04 PM EST
    the president has thrown red meat, rather than a bone.

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    the exact wording (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:31:36 PM EST
    of that comment was "lets HOPE its a bone thrown to the right".
    I am not quite sure what is wrong or unclear about that statement.
    the fact is we dont know what it means.
    it could be portentous for gays as well.  I hate the idea of having this office as much as anyone but I am not surprised that a person who is opposed to abortion and sex education would be appointed to it.  otherwise it would be rather meaningless to the people it is supposed to be "reaching out" to.
    but I also doubt very much from a purely political point of view that it will have the slightest thing to do with the actual policy of the administration on any of these things.

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    Obama has said he wants to expand FB into policy (none / 0) (#104)
    by nycstray on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:42:04 PM EST
    positions . . .

    Thing about Obama is, I don't mind if he wants to be inclusive, it's where he's choosing to do it. Sure, appoint a prolifer to a position, just not one that deals with women's services. Sure, appoint a Rep, perhaps not to the defense dept. Ya know, ya just don't appoint a homophob for LGBT outreach . . . .

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    all I can say (none / 0) (#108)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:51:07 PM EST
    is that I understand and that I would not be surprised if the DID appoint a homophobe to LGBT outreach.
    and as far as expanding FB to policy, I think he is to politically savvy to do that and I hope it is more of the same BS we have heard on other issues.

    I dont believe a word out of the mans mouth but I think he knows which side of the bread is buttered.

    having said that, I am completely comfortable with saying I could be wrong.  

    and now I really am going home.

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    Have a good evening! (none / 0) (#111)
    by nycstray on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:55:14 PM EST
    I had that same thought, Teresa - (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Anne on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:25:30 PM EST
    and I think it's because the hijab can be seen as a form of subservience/submissiveness, and I think that has some appeal for Obama; his paternalistic tendencies are more and more visible, so it does not surprise me that he would see the hijab as being worth taking a stand on.

    The hijab seems not dissimilar, although the purpose may be different, to the rules of dress for Orthodox Jewish women - who "cover their heads" with wigs, and are not supposed to expose their bare arms or legs; as it was explained to me by an Orthodox friend, those parts are not meant to be shown to other than one's husband, and "revealing" one's self in public is considered disrespectful to him.

    I do not see Obama as a friend to women, unless he sets the terms.

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    It seems like he could have chosen (none / 0) (#120)
    by sallywally on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 07:04:18 PM EST
    someone at least moderate for this position, not someone who opposes abortion and apparently even birth control.

    This is like putting Tom DeLay in charge of U.S. redistricting....

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    Kelley will insure that huge amounts of tax money (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by MyLeftMind on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:10:50 PM EST
    get directed to anti-abortion groups. Those groups will use some of that money to inspire people to attack doctors and women's health clinics.

    The main barrier to achieving equal rights for same-sex couples is the historical death grip religious organizations have on the institution. Since our country didn't have a justice of the peace in every town, the churches performed the state function of establishing the legal agreement, as well as their religious marriage ceremonies. Over time, we've separated the contractual agreement from the religious celebration, but the churches now manipulate both public opinion and our government outside of the realm they should be concerned about - the religious component of marriage. They've got their hands in the civil side of marriage and are so powerful that elected officials at all levels of government are afraid to stand up for constitutional rights for LGBT citizens. We created this problem by allowing churches to take over what should be secular functions.

    The same has happened with faith based communities and government funding. Since churches were often involved in helping the poor, the Bush Administration created the Faith Based funding so that, in theory, they could continue and expand their good work. Unfortunately, like many government programs, we now have a monster that degrades our efforts to help people and forwards a political agenda that hurts many Americans. Federal money that was ostensibly meant to be spent on the poor or disadvantaged has been used to beef up anti-gay, anti-choice religious organizations. They literally used our tax money to buy computers and develop communications channels that are now used to manipulate public opinion and the election process. Large religious organizations can now trade votes for more money. Secular organizations that help the poor can't compete for funds because the decision makers on government grants are selected and promoted by people like Alexia Kelley. Even research grants are now manipulated by proponents of religious control, which means research that would truly help women and/or disadvantaged people does not get the funding that we would like to see. In fact, university researchers personal beliefs and even their sexual orientation can now be held against them in grant allocation.

    Kelley will be one more key player in the move to force oppressive and selective biblical nonsense down our throats.

    Thanks a lot Obama.


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    And abstinence only programs (none / 0) (#60)
    by nycstray on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:20:00 PM EST
    I know you are making another point, but the money going to anti abortion groups pairs up nicely with where other monies go.

    And in thinking about it, neither group should be getting much if any funding. Neither provides much of a service.

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    I agree. (none / 0) (#103)
    by MyLeftMind on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:41:33 PM EST
    The more tax money we funnel to religious groups, them more empowered they are to act against our interests. Even worse, by improving their communication channels, we facilitate their ability bribe elected officials by delivering votes for or against them, and to get "their people" on grant boards, involved in local politics and even improving their own members personal and professional lives.

    Faith based funding hurts our country and our progressive agenda.


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    And one of the supposed "reasons" for (none / 0) (#106)
    by nycstray on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:47:02 PM EST
    expanding FB, is the "services" they provide in the community .We might as well just flush that funding down the toilet as it's not going to the "community". Makes me sick.

    We're also funding hate. I guess we can always "hope" he learned something today . . .

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    Terribly disappointing. (none / 0) (#98)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:21:27 PM EST
    WTF, DFARVW.  

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    A fat lot of good constitutional interpretation (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by scribe on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 01:30:52 PM EST
    will give you, moreso erudition, when knuckleheaded judges rule that police using a Taser on a defendant to compel him to give a DNA sample (to be used against him) is just plain OK.

    By the way, if you read the opinion it will become clear that the defendant is black.  The judge is white but, since race has nothing to do with police torturing people in New York State, we'll just overlook that.

    Of course, the reason for the whole episode was the police screwing up in the first place.  They had gotten a sample (defendant had gone along with it on advice of counsel), then ruined it through their own ineptitude.  So, they came back without getting defendant's counsel involved and wanted another.

    It went downhill from there to judicially-sanctioned torture.

    For that matter, even if your constitutional interpretation is correct, and you win a decision in the Supreme Court of the United States, your win is worthless if BHO and his flunkies in the Administration decide that they don't want to obey, and make up excuses for courts to make their remedies a hortatory exercise.  Read the brief - it's one of the more brutal face-slap jobs I've ever seen filed in any court, anywhere.

    In the meantime, we're left to the tender mercies of the cops and their political masters.

    Tasering is ok in some circumstances. (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:23:00 PM EST
    For example, it was ok for an Alaska state trooper to Taser his young stepson.

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    Do we need to rehash this? (none / 0) (#109)
    by Steve M on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:51:34 PM EST
    "We" don't but I do. (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 05:03:11 PM EST
    Well (none / 0) (#115)
    by Steve M on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 05:18:55 PM EST
    I think the tasering was a convenient red herring pushed by those who argued that Palin didn't abuse her power by firing the Public Safety Commissioner.  Arguing that Palin abused her power was not tantamount to arguing that the tasering was okay - but it was fun for Palin's defenders to act like it was!

    The Public Safety Commissioner, as far as I know, never said or implied that the tasering was okay.  But he had no power to do anything about it.  There was a grievance process as mandated by the union contract, the trooper was disciplined with something less than firing, and that result was final.  Even if the Public Safety Commissioner had given in to Palin's pressure and fired the trooper, even if he believed the tasering was the worst thing ever and that the result of the union grievance process was a completely indefensible outcome, the trooper would have been reinstated as a matter of law, and the State might have had to pay damages.  It simply was not an option.

    It was perfectly legitimate for people to believe (1) the tasering was not okay and (2) Palin abused her power by firing the Public Safety Commissioner.  The two claims are not contradictory.  They don't even really have anything to do with one another.

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    IMO it is disingenuous (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 05:31:05 PM EST
    to condemn the use of the Taser and yet defend the Alaska trooper's use of same.  Not saying you are doing that; I have a long memory!  Palin, as Governor, most likely had discretion to terminate her appointment of the Public Safety Commissioner so long as she did not abuse that discretion.

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    But (none / 0) (#119)
    by Steve M on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 06:53:27 PM EST
    if the Public Safety Commissioner had no power to fire the trooper, and thus never said explicitly or implicitly that the tasering was "okay," what the heck does Palin's firing of him have to do with the tasering?  How does criticizing Palin's firing amount to approval of the tasering?

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    Good god.... (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 01:46:34 PM EST
    Makes you wanna bust into a rousing rendition of Yankee Doodle Dandee doesn't it?

    Surrendering your sovereign DNA make-up...its just a taze away.

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    Wow (none / 0) (#22)
    by Steve M on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:06:25 PM EST
    That is one devastating brief, just as you said.

    Honestly, it seems like the petitioners ought to be pursuing contempt proceedings at this point.  What relief are they seeking, other than an order compelling the Executive Branch to do what they're already compelled to do?

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    Obama and Wiesel at Buchenwald (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by ruffian on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 01:33:04 PM EST
    Listened to both speeches at lunchtime, and was crying in the drive-thru. My cynical side knows that if you can't speak at Buchenwald and make people cry you better hand in your speaker's license, but even so...

    Obama was at his best here. He was really wonderful at tying the personal with the historical and back again to the present. Having a president that can speak of personal experiences in a Muslim nation one day, and then the next day eloquently relate his great-uncle's experiences at Buchenwald is truly a special asset to this country.

    The only one who can follow a performance like that would be Elie Wiesel. Just watch the video.

    Congratulations! (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by scribe on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 01:44:05 PM EST
    As I said to a friend:
    "Four more years and you can cut her off!"

    But, seriously, this is a great achievement.  Enjoy!

    Congratulations!!! (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by ruffian on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 01:44:39 PM EST
    I attended my nephew's HS graduation a couple of weeks ago, and it was sheer fun. One of the few occasions of unadulterated joy we get.

    Enjoy the day!

    Heartfelt congratulations to (5.00 / 4) (#19)
    by Anne on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 01:55:09 PM EST
    your daughter, and to you and your family on this milestone event; I get kind of choked up remembering back to when my girls graduated from high school - at the same time that they are taking yet another step toward adulthood, you can't help remembering their joy at taking their very first steps.  Really, it seems like being a parent is all about helping them take the next important steps, and having the courage to never let them see a glimmer of doubt or fear on your face, or hear it in your voice.

    Still, it seems hard to believe how quickly it all happens, and how soon we are letting go so they can fly.

    How enormously proud you must be of her - that full ride scholarship is a tribute to her athleticism, hard work and academic achievement - and very rarely does that ever happen without strong parental support.

    So, give yourself a pat on the back, Dad - you helped make her who she is, and she sounds like a fine young woman.

    Have a blast tonight - you'll shed some tears, but they will be the best kind - tears of happiness, pride and joy.

    Congrats... (5.00 / 6) (#21)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 01:59:08 PM EST
    my oldest niece's graduation ceremony is tomorrow morning, also with honors...I have a sense of the pride you feel Don, ya done good Pop, real good:)  Slip the young lady a few airplane shots of booze or something for the cruise Don, from what I've heard about Albany she will need the practice:)

    My niece is off to Hunter College in the fall, so far she is saying pre med....hopefully she takes to higher education better than her old man and crazy uncle...I have a feeling she will, she's one of those weird kids who really likes school.

    Here's to all the high school grads...and may we leave them some semblance of a proseperous nation, full of milk and honey.

    Have fun Donald... (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by desertswine on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:35:28 PM EST
    it's moments like this that count.

    congratulations (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:38:12 PM EST
    one thing though.  I dont think it was actually legal for us to drink at my graduation after party either but it didnt stop us.


    Congrats to your Kaikamahine (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by Cream City on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:50:20 PM EST
    and her Makua!  (How did I do, looking up some Hawaiian?:-)  I recall that thee and me have exchanged comments about your scholarship star before, and I am so happy to hear that no silly senioritis or senior pranks have waylaid her.  Yep, you can see that I have been there. . . .

    And so I also recently got to see the first of my progeny graduate from college, and so I understand entirely your mood as balmy as an island breeze.  I have a photo from that day in front of me, and -- other than not being able to figure out who that old lady is who is hugging the best-looking grad ever -- I still am basking in the memories.

    So one last-minute tip, Dad/Makua:  Remember the camera!

    Blemont tomorrow (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by nycstray on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:13:51 PM EST
    and grandstand seats are only 10 bucks for the whole day. Should be a lovely day for a horse race . . .

    And a run (none / 0) (#122)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 07:21:59 PM EST
    at the first ever Triple Crown by a jockey while riding different horses. With a day in the low to mid 70's and sunshine in Elmont, NY tomorrow, it should be beautiful.

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    The Kewlie Lama (none / 0) (#12)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 01:42:16 PM EST
    Oh, thank you -- I so admire that man (none / 0) (#46)
    by Cream City on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:52:47 PM EST
    (or not a man like any other but the fourteenth reincarnation of Buddha, whichever:-) -- and photos such as this regale me but never surprise me, because I had the blessing of being able to meet him on one of his tours here.  And he has an absolutely great sense of humor.  I hope that you have had or will have the chance to meet him, too; it is an unforgettable experience and conveys the full meaning of the often-misused term, charisma.

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    He visited (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:28:52 PM EST
    U-Washington a couple of years ago, but the tickets were almost immediately gone.  Hopefully, I'll see him someday.

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    It was televised live (none / 0) (#68)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:32:16 PM EST
    and as great as one would expect. I've heard that being in his presence is quite the experience.


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    While Bush v. Gore is badly written and clearly (none / 0) (#26)
    by BobTinKY on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:13:35 PM EST
    judicial activism at its worst.  Why does Gerken need to lump Roe v. Wade into that category?  Is she trying to be fair and balanced?

    When Blackmum wrote the Roe decision the Griswold decision was already law.  Roe is a natural outgrowth of that decision.  Blackmum concluded a woman's right to privacy (pursuant to Griswold), given the risks of carrying to term, outweighs the state's interests in the life of the fetus until viability, and upon viability the state can set reasonable limits on abortion.  Sure, we're left with having to deal with what is a reasonable limitation, and subsequent cases have dealt with that issue.  

    That ambiguity in Roe arises not because Roe was written badly.  Rather, because Roe purposefully left that question, which could arise in any number of  circumstances unforeseeable in 1972, to be determined subsequently on a case by case basis.   I doubt a full blown statement that a women's right to choose is absolute under the Constitution could possibly have commanded a majority of the Roe Court, it almost certainly couldn't today.

    Roe is not a decision in anyway close to being as badly supported and written as Bush v. Gore.  The Constitution explicitly provides a means for dealing with disputed Presidential elections.  The House elects the President and the Senate the VP.  Bush v. Gore shredded this language and the Court usurped Congress's role, not to mention the role of the State of Florida.  

    To equate Roe with Bush v. Gore is to pander to the hypocritical right wing who clearly don't mind judicial activism of the first order when it puts their folks in power. Roe has thus far withstood the test of time (the true test of whether a decision is "good") and is, in my view, a well thought out decision particularly when one considers the time it was written.

    Whether Blackmum or any justice writes "well," that is in the eye of the reader. Obviously, Blackmum got into the weeds writing opinions involving medical procedures and baseball.  So long as the issue(s) and its resolution/disposition is communicated how it is communicated is of interest to English professors.  The Roe v. Wade decision does that.

    Who is The Pusher? (none / 0) (#45)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:52:43 PM EST
    Your friendly neighborhood reefer man?  Or quacks like this?

     

    Get a load of this... (none / 0) (#63)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:28:39 PM EST
    gluttonous little piggy making 188 large as top cop for all of a 2.9 square mile village...and he wants a raise.

    The nerve of this clown...

    He looks fine and well cared for (none / 0) (#75)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:41:53 PM EST
    I'd even say he looks happy.  When I picked my daughter up in Asharoken, New York I visited one of the most incredible places I've ever seen to live.  On the way to the coast guard station the single road with beach on either side is inhabited by multi million dollar homes. The "police department" was privately paid for by the inhabitants of Asharoken, they mostly seem to enforce the genteel speed limit on the three roads.  I wonder what they make :)?

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    I did a little research... (none / 0) (#80)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:51:29 PM EST
    on this cat...seems he's acquired a bunch of shiny new tyranny toys by applying for federal grants as well....a real welfare queen this guy.

    Yet another reminder that the wrong side of the law is the right side for me...I could never be so crooked as to be a law-abiding upstanding citizen round here, my battered conscience couldn't handle it.

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    Wonder what (none / 0) (#85)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:01:23 PM EST
    the cost of living is in WestHampton.  Maybe the wage buys him a space in a trailer park.  ...as if West Hampton has a trailer park, but you get my drift.

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    I was wondering the same... (none / 0) (#95)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:16:22 PM EST
    not a lot of low-rent areas there, I'd venture to guess.

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    Any place with "Hampton" in the name... (none / 0) (#110)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:54:07 PM EST
    ain't cheap, but there are ghetto-burbs all around the ritzy spots where you can live at a somewhat reasonable cost of living...reasonable for Long Island anyway.  I live on this island making around 40k..it can be done.

    I'm wondering why such a small village with a low crime rate needs a police force at all...much less a force with a chief looking to make more than Ray Freakin' Kelly.  

    Nothing wrong with wanting a 180k a year lifestyle, I only ask that you, ya know, earn it...I'll bet my bottom dollar this glutton ain't.  If he wants that kind of bank get a real job, like the guy who pumps out his septic tank.

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    It is a bit shocking he's almost as much as Kelly (none / 0) (#112)
    by nycstray on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:58:16 PM EST
    as it is. I don't even think you can compare the 2 jobs. I'm not always a fan of Kelly, but I would say he earns his pay.

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    For about two months now it has been (none / 0) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:35:04 PM EST
    sneaking up on me.  I now have to hold certain things away from me to read them, I'm getting farsighted. Spouse bought this thing that is supposed to exercise your eyes about a year ago because he was losing his pilot vision.  He doesn't seem to use it anymore....wonder if it really works?  What do you guys think of the baby reading program for sale on the tube?  I find myself attracted to it since Zoe is about 18 months.

    Can't speak for the eye-exerciser (5.00 / 0) (#76)
    by Anne on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:45:14 PM EST
    thing, but I am rolling my eyes at baby reading programs.

    I think studies have shown that, barring learning disabilities, kids who got started early and kids who didn't will all be reading more or less on the same level by the time they are seven.  That horrifies some people (SEVEN!!! What will I tell people???  Everyone else's kid can read!!!  I'm a failure!!!), but I think as long as you read to and talk with and engage the baby/child, she will have no problem learning to read.  

    I think a lot of this has come out of an awful peer pressure/competitive mothering thing where if you can't brag that your 7 month old knows the alphabet and can count to 10 in 14 languages, and knows sign language and can play the piano, you are made to feel like your child is deficient.

    It's cr@p.  In my opinion, of course.  

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    That is sort of what I thought too (none / 0) (#78)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:51:11 PM EST
    I figured some educators could clarify it better for me but I do remember reading that there was a "reading window" like the second language window and there wasn't anything to worry about unless someone was missing the window and you can't really speed up getting to the reading window.  And environmental reading is a component of early reading but only a component.  Seems the baby program teaches environmental reading.  She has baby dresses with matching shoes and barrets.  Looks like I'm already hitting the savings bond college fund wall.

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    Tracy, i'd think about aquatics or swimming (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:18:18 PM EST
    right now-- at 18 months, children can learn to swim (dog paddle, but still) and hold their breath in the water.

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    MT, I'll second jeff's suggestion (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 05:37:45 PM EST
    to get little Zooey into swimming lessons. She is at a perfect age to learn, and water safety cannot be emphasized enough. Swimming is a safety issue, not just an amusement.

     I am a former lifeguard and swimming instructor. I taught pre-schoolers. Get her in the water; get her over any fears about the water. She will learn how to float and keep her head above water. She'll learn how to "dog paddle" her way to the edge of the pool.

    And whoever goes with her, be it grandma or mommy, will also have a great time.

    And, because it is so important, I'll emphatically state that learning to swim is a matter of life and death for children (for all of us, actually).

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    The boy I started tutoring when he started (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 05:05:26 PM EST
    kindergarten had no pre-school.  His mother speaks no English.  He does have older brothers and sisters who are bilingual.  He could read early in kindergarten.  

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    Very creative video. (none / 0) (#100)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:28:19 PM EST


    Many congrats (none / 0) (#102)
    by CST on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:36:41 PM EST
    You deserve to fly high today.
    I'm sure your daughter will have a blast in college.
    And she will certainly appreciate graduating debt free :)

    Have a blast!

    Wow, I just finished work and spun through.... (none / 0) (#118)
    by magster on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 05:39:20 PM EST
    ...the blogs.

    The Republicans are getting crazier and crazier. Between Sen. Inhofe questioning whose side Obama is on, Faye Buchanan decrying how her staffer was being "lynched" because her staffer pleaded guilty to karate chopping a random A-A woman while calling her the n-word, and then the cover of the Nat'l Review...I don't know whether to laugh or cry.


    College Volleyball (none / 0) (#121)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 07:15:40 PM EST
    is a wonderful game. They have amazing reflexes, terrific athletic ability, and you never have a rain out.