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Michael Jackson's Will

I have not written about Michael Jackson because, well, I have had nothing to say about his passing. But the Family Guy aspect of my sense of humor can not resist this:

A 2002 will by Michael Jackson, which was filed in the Los Angeles Superior Court on Wednesday, could lead to conflict over the singer’s assets between Mr. Jackson’s family and the executors he named in the will.

The five-page document, dated July 7, 2002, gives the entire estate to a family trust, and names his mother, Katherine Jackson, as legal guardian of his three children and beneficiary of the trust. If she were incapacitated or died, then the singer Diana Ross would get custody of Mr. Jackson’s children.

(Emphasis supplied.) Diana Ross? Why not Elizabeth Taylor? La Liz must be pissed . . .

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    all I want to know (none / 0) (#1)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:02:48 PM EST
    is who gets the Elephant Mans bones.


    but seriously (none / 0) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:03:49 PM EST
    this just gets sadder and sadder.  aparrently he cut his father out completely.  I guess thats called having the last word.


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    Don't worry about his father. (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:24:29 PM EST
    He used Michael's death to announce his new record label.  Nice huh?

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    Geezus, really? (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:27:08 PM EST
    I saw Sharpton hanging around with him but I did not know that.

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    he did indeed (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:31:36 PM EST
    it was quite the show.

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    Yeah. (none / 0) (#31)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:31:52 PM EST
    And I am sort of amazed that Sharpton would have been fool enough to appear with MJ's father.

    Everyone who was really close to Michael Jackson says that his father is the root of all of his weirdness and dysfunction.

    This episode of public "mourning" supports that assertion as far as I'm concerned.

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    Frankly, I thought his dad died (none / 0) (#32)
    by andgarden on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:33:16 PM EST
    in the 90s. Maybe I'm confusing him with someone else.

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    Well, that would be news to his dad (none / 0) (#36)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:45:48 PM EST
    and Al Sharpton among other people.

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    Who were those imposters? (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:49:50 PM EST
    Its a Hollyweird story. (none / 0) (#41)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:51:59 PM EST
    Probably stunt men appearing on a day rate.

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    Photo doubles, under the new SAG contract. (none / 0) (#42)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:57:00 PM EST
    No going serious (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:04:49 PM EST
    for me on this subject.

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    dont get me started (none / 0) (#5)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:06:32 PM EST
    you'll be sorry and I'll be banned.

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    Go ahead (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:09:02 PM EST
    Get started. Let's see where it goes.

    We can call this a Family guy thread . . .

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    lucky I have to (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:10:43 PM EST
    go home for the holidays in a couple of minutes.

    btw
    happy 4th erebody

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    Heh (none / 0) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:11:21 PM EST
    Enjoy the holiday.

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    Good (none / 0) (#9)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:10:07 PM EST
    His father should get nothing.

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    It is really sad (none / 0) (#18)
    by lilburro on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:15:51 PM EST
    I'm fascinated as well...and still listening to his music!  A jazz funeral of sorts.

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    The money went (none / 0) (#73)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 06:01:56 PM EST
    to the family trust, and apparently the papers on that are private, so nobody knows but the family how that money is set up to be used.  IOW, he cut everybody out of his will, including explicity his children, as individual recipients, which is not uncommon, I don't believe, when you've set up a trust like that.  Whether the trust is set up to benefit only his children, his children and his mother, or everybody in the family is unknown.

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    Making provisions for your children (none / 0) (#77)
    by Anne on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 06:34:10 PM EST
    via a trust is not "cutting them out of the Will;" trusts are established for the benefit of children all the time, often with distributions being at the sole discretion of the Trustee(s) - nothing nefarious about that at all.

    It is also not unusual for a Will to have "pour-over" provisions, distributing the rest and residue (net estate remaining after payment of claims and expenses) to a trust that may have been created during the testator's lifetime.  

    Also possible that the Will itself establishes the Family Trust - and nothing unusual about that either.

    There are good reasons to leave money in trust, some of them are tax considerations, some have to do with the age, maturity and other family circumstances that make leaving funds outright an invitation to disaster.

    Wills and estate proceedings are generally a matter of public record; trusts, not usually.

    You can disinherit any family member except a spouse, who generally has the right to claim his or her statutory share of the estate - the share that would have come to the spouse had there been no Will.

    Of course, other family members, who feel they have been wronged, can file a caveat against the Will, seeking to have it thrown out - but that can be exceedingly difficult to succeed at, especially if there are prior Wills - because knocking out the current Will just moves the prior Will into its place - successfully getting all prior Wills thrown out is not just difficult, it is very expensive.  The person seeking to have a Will thrown out must pay the cost of that action - but the cost of defending the Will is borne by the estate, so it is not unusual for an estate to be drained by these caveats, with no one ending up with much of anything.  I was involved in one of those about 10 years ago, and it was not just ugly, completely tearing apart a family, but when it was all over, there was almost nothing left.

    People always think this area of the law is dry and boring, but it can and often does rival the best soaps and tabloid dramas you have ever seen.

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    Debbie Rowe, the ex-wife (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by caseyOR on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 09:18:36 PM EST
    Here's what I find confusing-- according to Charlie Gibson (why is he talking about this?) Jackson's will leaves nothing to his former wife, Debbie Rowe. The TV people are acting like this is some big dis to Rowe, and they are shocked.

    I don't get it. Why is it shocking that a former spouse is not included in the will? Is it customary for people to leave an inheritance to the ex? I would have been surprised had Rowe been a beneficiary.

    Why do the TV people think this is so out of bounds?

    Anne, this is your area of expertise. What can you tell me?

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    I have no idea why anyone thinks (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Anne on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 10:52:16 PM EST
    Jackson not leaving his ex-wife a bequest is odd or disrespectful or out of the ordinary; I would guess that she got some kind of a nice settlement when they divorced, and they probably had a pre-nup in which she relinquished any right to make claims against his estate - pretty standard provision - happens all the time.

    I think most of the TV people are idiots, frankly, and instead of actually getting some education on the subject, prefer to engage in the kind of emotional speculation that keeps the ratings up - I mean, they've pretty much squeezed every last drop out of Jackson's death, going 24/7 with the coverage, so now they are doing what they always do: resorting making controversy out of any detail they can.

    It's why I have stayed away from "news" since last week - it's just what they do.

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    Thanks, Anne (none / 0) (#88)
    by caseyOR on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 10:58:56 PM EST
    The whole faux-scandal made no sense to me.

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    Don't forget his charities (none / 0) (#78)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 07:05:39 PM EST
    I would think he would have set up something for them in the trust also?

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    Heh (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:04:29 PM EST
    FWIW (none / 0) (#75)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 06:03:25 PM EST
    He never had them.  That was one of the many, many utter falsehoods sold to tabloid media.  Jackson apparently thought it was pretty funny and kept the idea going for a while because it was good publicity, but he never had them, if they even exist.

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    I suspect Michael knew (none / 0) (#6)
    by lilburro on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:08:29 PM EST
    that it would be freakin' awesome to be Diana Ross' kid.  I'm just guessing.

    But not Liz' kid? (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:09:34 PM EST
    How dare you?????

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    They could split custody... (none / 0) (#13)
    by lilburro on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:13:39 PM EST
    Don't want to be Liza's kid though.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:15:42 PM EST
    Mama!! (Family guy reference)

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    Geez (none / 0) (#12)
    by andgarden on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:13:25 PM EST
    As for Liz. . .I guess she's getting up there.

    Diana (none / 0) (#14)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:14:34 PM EST
    is no spring chicken

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    Jinx (none / 0) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:15:11 PM EST
    Last a saw, Liz didn't look so good (none / 0) (#21)
    by andgarden on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:22:06 PM EST
    but what do I know?

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    As I wrote above (none / 0) (#23)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:24:02 PM EST
    my sense of humor is sicker than the rest of you decent folks.

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    Straight over my head, I'm afraid (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by andgarden on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:30:27 PM EST
    That's OK.

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    Mine, too (none / 0) (#47)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 05:06:50 PM EST
    I have no idea what the joke is.  Kinda sick of Michael Jackson jokes anyway.

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    Haven't heard a Jackson joke (none / 0) (#51)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 05:08:42 PM EST
    all week.

    Where are you getting them from? a lot of pedophile jokes or something?

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    I'm talking about (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 05:09:25 PM EST
    the last 20 years or so of ridicule.

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    Ah (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 05:13:56 PM EST
    celebrities getting ridiculed. Never seen that before.

    Excuse me, but the notion that Michael Jackson did not court the attention he got for the past 20 years (obviously his childhood is a different story) is absurd.

    This sympathy for Jackson being "tormented" for being a celebrity is just absurd.

    Ok, I'll say it. What about the pedophilia? any comment on that?

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    biting-tounge (none / 0) (#58)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 05:16:14 PM EST
    starting-to-bleed

    going home now.

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    Oh boy. (none / 0) (#59)
    by Dr Molly on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 05:16:30 PM EST
    You really went there.

    Did you notice I've been completely silent about that?

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    I was too (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 05:18:17 PM EST
    but this "poor Michael" sh*t just drove me over the edge.

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    Perhaps (none / 0) (#63)
    by Dr Molly on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 05:20:12 PM EST
    we crawl back up over the edge. Lest things get fugly.

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    Good idea (none / 0) (#64)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 05:21:33 PM EST
    I'm out of the thread.

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    Too bad (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 05:56:38 PM EST
    Michael Jackson has been a cheap and easy target for yucks for 20 years or more.  He was actually a big boy and was willing to take it and even foster it sometimes because it was good business for Michael Jackson, Inc.

    I didn't say "poor Michael Jackson," I just said I was sick of the cheap jokes and snickers.  (I also literally don't get what's funny about Diana Ross.)

    As for allegations of pedophilia, I don't buy it for a NY minute.  I've never been much of a fan, but I've had to follow the gossip and the allegations and the trial more closely than I would have preferred, and I ended up -- like the jury -- unconvinced.

    Mike Taibbi, the reporter NBC put in charge of its investigative team on the issue -- and no gullible soft touch -- says he's quite certain the accusation was made up to extort money from Jackson.  I can understand why people would believe it, I just don't, nor do an awful lot of people who knew the guy.  What you or I believe or don't believe is meaningless, and the truth about it will probably remain unknowable.

    You'll agree, though, I'm sure, that it's a terrible, terrible thing to accuse somebody of if it's not true.

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    Sure (none / 0) (#74)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 06:02:08 PM EST
    But it is true imo.

    Mike Taibbi is not my bible. Apparently he is yours.

    Now I am really leaving.

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    Q: What do Michael Jackson (none / 0) (#65)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 05:27:28 PM EST
    Q: What do Michael Jackson and the New York Mets have in common?
    A: They're both walking around with one glove on their hand for no apparent reason whatsoever.

    Q: What's the difference between Michael Jackson and a grocery bag?
    A: One is white, made out of plastic, and dangerous for kids to play with and the other you carry your groceries in.

    They get progressively worser here.

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    You really want one? (none / 0) (#80)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 08:21:53 PM EST
    I have a couple, but they are not that funny. I think this is a case where the real life events are better than any joke.

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    You think (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:15:02 PM EST
    Diana Ross is a spring chicken?

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    still (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:19:00 PM EST
    better her than Latoya

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    Bingo!! (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by dk on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:27:14 PM EST
    Maybe she has less health probs? (none / 0) (#20)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:21:01 PM EST
    Thank you (none / 0) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:23:01 PM EST
    Dr. NYCStray.

    Liz was dissed I tell ya! Dissed!

    All right, you folks are not where I am on the humor of this.

    Fair enough. I am a sick puppy.


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    Most celebrity weirdness (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:45:00 PM EST
    would provoke my sick sense of humor, but not as a particular fan of Michael Jackson it is actually difficult for me to think how weird and screwed up his life was is funny.

    This guy never had a life of his own.  Everyone wanted a piece of him and they still do.  And they'll want a piece of those kids - if they are lucky they won't be biologically related to him and therefore won't be treated as something akin to race horses - like they did to their father - rather than as people who shouldn't be owned like property by a bunch of blood-suckers in the entertainment industry.

    Capt Howdy asked about the Elephant Man's bones, but the sick thing is that I won't be at all surprised if someone pops up on ebay selling one of Michael Jackson's fingers or something creepy and disgusting like that - and that it would be found to be real.  MJ just never had a life that was grounded in anything but the fantasy and dysfunction of the entertainment industry.  It was impossible for him to escape.

    Apologies for being serious in your Family Guy thread.

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:48:57 PM EST
    I can't join your empathy for the rich, famous and talented.

    If I can't laugh at them, and get serious, especially about Jackson, there is a lot of negative things to be said about Jackson himself.

    I'd rather laugh about the absurdity of it all than take a cr*p on the guy a week after he died.

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    My sympathy is not universal. (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:58:58 PM EST
    Reserved primarily for people like Michael Jackson and a few others who never really had a choice and were never really given the opportunity or taught the skills to make a choice.  Jackson was supporting a lot of people from a very young age and pretty much everyone around him would have wanted/needed him to continue to produce for their own benefit.

    His father is the most blatant about using his son for financial gain, but most of the other people around him were dong the same thing.

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    MJ's personality (none / 0) (#45)
    by lilburro on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 05:05:32 PM EST
    it seems to me his extreme shyness and other strange behaviors could likely be accounted for (at least in part) by something like Asperger's Syndrome.  Or probably something more crippling - David Byrne apparently has Asperger's and all respect to David but MJ is on another level of social weirdness entirely.

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    read (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 05:07:20 PM EST
    about his childhood and homelife.  you will see why he was weird.

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    recommendations? (none / 0) (#91)
    by lilburro on Thu Jul 02, 2009 at 09:08:47 AM EST
    (yes, joining the death cult of Michael...)

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    I tend to think he is the Hollywood (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 06:07:06 PM EST
    equivalent of the fabled boy raised by wolves - only Jackson never had anyone come in and teach him how to live normal human life.

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