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Stage 7 of the Tour de France is going on today, ending at the summit of Arcalis in the Pyrenees. You can watch online here. UPDATE - Contador proves he is the man of this Tour, even though he is not yet wearing the yellow jersey. He sprints away from Armstrong and all the other main contenders at the summit. With 2 more days in the Pyrenees, Contador will likely be the Maillot Jaune in the next days and at the end of the Tour.

In other news, the NYTimes endorses the BTD Plan (snark) for the Honduran crisis.

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    I'm defending my thesis (5.00 / 4) (#5)
    by kenosharick on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:04:16 AM EST
    this afternoon- wish me luck.

    break a leg (none / 0) (#7)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:06:55 AM EST
    Break a leg (none / 0) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:08:58 AM EST
    a rotor blade, a pencil, a podium....whatever's beneficial :)

    Parent
    Lot of luck, bit of advice, (none / 0) (#24)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:15:54 AM EST
    use the old trick:  allow the committee members to discuss or debate the issues among themselves, the next thing you know, time is up and you are a new degree holder.

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    My committee members asked me (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Spamlet on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:42:07 AM EST
    to leave the room. I could hear them shouting all the way down the hall.

    Parent
    Sounds like judicial confirmation hearings (none / 0) (#26)
    by andgarden on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:21:01 AM EST
    Heh. my commitee argued so much (none / 0) (#40)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:32:28 AM EST
     that I think I answered two questions!

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    Good thoughts going your way (none / 0) (#31)
    by Cream City on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:27:00 AM EST
    while saving memories of my thesis defense day for another day to share with you, Rick.  There always is that one committee member who didn't really read the thesis in its entirety and comes up with an off-the-wall question. . . .  Remember, the thing to do is to answer with another question.  Old trick in academe to make you look wise, as well. :-)

    You will do well.  Most of your committee members, if not all, are invested in you now, after all of these years.  They also, really, do want you to do well, so they can welcome another sapling into the sacred grove.

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    Dean Baker today on stimulus math (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:22:27 AM EST
    "The collapse of the housing bubble led to a reduction in annual rates of construction of about $450 billion. The bubble in the non-residential sector is also in the process of collapsing, cutting annual demand by approximately $200 billion. The loss of $8 trillion in housing bubble wealth, coupled with a loss of roughly the same amount of stock wealth, is leading to a reduction in annual consumption of approximately $700 billion.

    The total loss in demand is around $1,350 billion. The annual stimulus in the bill approved in February was around $300 billion. $300 billion in stimulus is not nearly enough to fill a $1,350 billion shortfall in demand."

    http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/beat_the_press


    Except (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by jbindc on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:21:27 AM EST
    it's not.

    It's a nice sentiment, but if we don't allow the speech of those being mean (and who is to define that?  If I write a negative comment about a politician, am I being "mean"?  I understand most of have a basic idea of being mean, but there's a reason the ACLU defends Nazis who want to dmeonstrate).

    Finish thought (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by jbindc on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:22:23 AM EST
    If we don't allow the speech of those being mean, who is to say that someone who, sometime in the future, finds our speech "mean" won't allow us to talk?

    Parent
    Thanks to freedom of speech (5.00 / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:27:27 AM EST
    I am free to enjoy John's song 'Little Pink Houses' (which I do) whenever I need to remind myself that idealism spawns a lot of actions I use to encourage and even fight meanly for equality.  Idealism seldom completes the job though :)

    Parent
    of course (none / 0) (#37)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:30:49 AM EST
    hes a moron.
    I was talking to a gay friend the other day who was ranting about "stopping the Phelps" from doing their schick.
    I said look, we should be contributing money to these idiots.
    they spend every day making sure the 1st amendment is alive and well.
    let them makes a$$es of them selves.  they look like fools and we know we are able to say absolutely anything.  no matter how vile ignorant and repulsive.

    Parent
    When that dude gets his "Moran" sign (none / 0) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:35:20 AM EST
    out I can once embrace intimately who I am not :)

    Parent
    Oops....once again embrace who I am not (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:35:59 AM EST
    The ACLU just took... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:58:39 AM EST
    a case for Phelps and his fellow loons to defend their speech rights...and sun god bless them for it.

    I like Mellencamp but he's dead wrong here, I agree.  Free speech certainly includes vile speech the way I look at it.  Of course we shouldn't be nasty and hateful towards each other, but the law of the land must be you can say whatever you damn well please.  Anything less ain't free speech.

    Parent

    didnt the SC (none / 0) (#61)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:22:53 AM EST
    just decide they cant be stopped from picketing soldiers funerals?

    Parent
    I just don't care what Phelps (none / 0) (#91)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:23:51 PM EST
    and his crew want to clog up all their free time and family time doing.  I just can't even begin to give a rip.  We have a motorcycle gang now.  I was upset about them because they were a bit violently expressive at first toward Phelps and his banditos.  But they're okay now that everyone has shifted fully into the work needing to be done. If you are having problems with Phelps and the crew, the motorcycles will flank the whole motorcade of the soldier's funeral.  They also provide visual aids that remove the Phelps crew from having to be visually enjoyed by the funeral party.  Bring it on Phelps, cuz I live in a democracy full of creative problem solvers you looneytoon.

    Parent
    Maybe that was it... (none / 0) (#129)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 04:49:27 PM EST
    I tried to find the artcle I saw saying the ACLU took his case, can't find it now, maybe it was old news.

    Parent
    Also (none / 0) (#62)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:24:13 AM EST
    Today [June 18] , we filed a new lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) over unlawful TSA search and detention practices. The case was filed on behalf of a traveler who was illegally detained and harassed by TSA Agents at the airport for carrying approximately $4,700 in cash.

    On March 29, 2009, the plaintiff in the case, Steven Bierfeldt was detained in a small room at Lambert-St. Louis International Airport and interrogated by TSA officials for nearly half an hour after he passed a metal box containing cash through a security checkpoint X-ray machine. He was carrying the cash in connection to his duties as Treasurer of Ron Paul's Campaign For Liberty. Steven's experience is part of a troubling pattern of the TSA transforming its valid but limited search authority into a license to invade people's constitutional right to privacy.

     [snip]

    Steven recorded audio of the entire incident with his iPhone, which you can listen to here.



    Parent
    I'm rolling on the floor (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:34:40 PM EST
    is this staged?  Was this whole thing a "staged" event?  Because I can visualize Ron Paul deciding that his cash should be carried in a steal box through airports :)

    Parent
    Doesn't Seem So (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:41:25 PM EST
    If I were carrying a lot of cash and checks, my own or belonging to my employer, I would carry them in a steel box or something on my person, hand luggage. I would not check it in my stowed luggage.

    The TSA would have stopped him if they spotted the cash in his hand luggage, imo.

    They are supposed to be making us safer by detecting bombs, etc. not abusing their authority because someone is carrying $4700 dollars and refuses to answer questions about the money.

    Parent

    I am reminded (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Steve M on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:46:13 PM EST
    Oy (none / 0) (#108)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 02:06:06 PM EST
    Tragic, had not heard that one..

    Parent
    Well, I was with him (none / 0) (#135)
    by Cream City on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 07:18:55 PM EST
    until it turned out he never paid taxes.  With that in consideration, he ought to take the deal and go.

    Parent
    At his level of income, his tax (none / 0) (#138)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 08:36:37 PM EST
    bill should have been pretty small, but then he would have been dealing with immigration problems, I would have thought. Can a non-citizen have a SSN?

    His employer pay him under the table and fail to pay some taxes and insurance rates of his own?

    Parent

    Yes, a non-citizen is required (none / 0) (#142)
    by Cream City on Sat Jul 11, 2009 at 04:24:51 AM EST
    to have a SSN to work -- and pay taxes -- if s/he has a work visa, if s/he is a legal immigrant.  The story does not answer all questions, of course.

    And I can understand the possibility that the guy might have missed the (pretty obvious, but. . .) question on the form about carrying that amount of money into the country.  But no Mexican is unaware of taxes -- they pay them in their country, too.

    Parent

    In Fact (none / 0) (#74)
    by daring grace on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 12:01:02 PM EST
    Free (constitutionally protected) speech is, by its nature: vile, repulsive, dishonest, stupid, etc. etc.

    Popular speech doesn't need to be defended or protected the way provocative, controversial or just plain off the wall speech does.

    Parent

    Laugh of the day (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by jbindc on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:21:42 AM EST
    Specter calls Rep. Joe Sestak, a "flagrant hypocrite"

    On Thursday, Specter's campaign sought to bring into question Sestak's roots to the Democratic Party. Specter's campaign sent out a list of Sestak's voting history in Delaware County, which the senator's campaign said showed that Sestak registered as an Independent in 1971, didn't vote in any primary elections from 1971-2005 and that he officially registered as a Democrat in February of 2006. Sestak was elected as a Democrat to the House in 2006.

    "Congressman Sestak is a flagrant hypocrite in challenging my being a real Democrat when he did not register as a Democrat until 2006 just in time to run for Congress," Specter said in the statement. "His lame excuse for avoiding party affiliation, because he was in the service, is undercut by his documented disinterest in the political process."



    I'm sure Specter has no idea (none / 0) (#79)
    by Anne on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 12:23:22 PM EST
    just how hilarious that comment is...the jokes are already writing themselves, and I can't wait to hear how Sestak responds.

    Thanks for the giggle!

    Parent

    Which one is funnier? (none / 0) (#100)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:44:09 PM EST
    Ron Paul running about with metal boxes full of cash or this?

    Parent
    What are you referencing? (none / 0) (#125)
    by Samuel on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 03:43:45 PM EST
    Mellencamp. Conservative non-judicial (1.00 / 0) (#33)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:27:57 AM EST
    activist.

    we are having (none / 0) (#1)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 07:57:39 AM EST
    the Tour de Champaign.

    this is funny

    Does Champaign (none / 0) (#3)
    by sher on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 08:52:02 AM EST
    have a downtown large enough to tour? I haven't been in that city for more than 30 years....

    Parent
    not really (5.00 / 0) (#4)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:00:52 AM EST
    it would take about an hour to circumnavigate it on a bike.
    I laughed when I saw that.  

    Parent
    Is there an IL verion of Ragbrai, which (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:04:59 AM EST
    ends in my hometownthis year?  Ragbrai

    Parent
    dunno (none / 0) (#23)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:12:54 AM EST
    didnt know about the other until I saw it in the paper this morning.

    Parent
    There's only one... (none / 0) (#77)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 12:09:29 PM EST
    ...Register's Annual Great Bike Ride Across Iowa!!!  Ain't nothing else like it.

    We have Ride the Rockies, a much tougher and more scenic ride, but not anywhere near the traveling party that RAGBRAI is.  

    Parent

    Creators Syndicate leaves LA (none / 0) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 08:02:07 AM EST
    starting to think CA is going to need a bailout.

    I never could have imagined that, after living here for more than three decades, I would be filing a lawsuit against my beloved Los Angeles and making plans for my company, Creators Syndicate, to move elsewhere.

    Capn, try using parentheses (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 12:37:07 PM EST
    or the TL supplied Blockquote button when you're quoting someone else. When you don't, like in your comment above, it's very confusing...

    Parent
    sorry (none / 0) (#97)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:38:21 PM EST
    I wish I owned Creators Syndicate

    Parent
    Ouch! (none / 0) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:05:08 AM EST
    Municipalities are having a tough time dealing with the new financial reality, and it looks like imploding themselves instead of seeking actual solutions for the communities they are supposed to be serving.

    Parent
    No bailouts for CA (none / 0) (#82)
    by cenobite on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 12:58:20 PM EST
    Until Gov Shock Doctrine is out of office.

    He will just use the money to protect tax givaways for his friends, and savage organized labor, environmental regulation and the poor anyway. He's already demonstrated this with his use of federal stimulus funds.

    Parent

    I'm so tired of cleaning house (none / 0) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:13:05 AM EST
    It is what must happen though and if I'm not in the work force I really don't qualify for paying someone else to do my dirty work even if I have the money (personal opinion).  It is the chopping wood and carrying water of healthy family environment.  I just get so sick of it sometimes.

    Don't do it (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by jbindc on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:14:08 AM EST
    The stuff that needs to be cleaned will still be there next week.  Give yourself a 3 day weekend off from housework.  

    Parent
    My daughter who is in the midst (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:23:58 AM EST
    of divorce is also expecting a second child.  She developed a bladder infection that then triggered contractions at 23 weeks.  The two of us left the house for the emergency room the night before last at around 2:00 a.m. and we got home at around 2:00 p.m. yesterday.  Grandpa took the day off from work to care for Joshua and baby Zoey.  My daughter and I immediately went to bed yesterday afternoon and didn't do much else other than grab a bite at dinner (Grandpa called for pizza delivery) and go back to bed.  This place is a Grandpa gone wild disaster today :)

    Parent
    Ah (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by jbindc on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:25:55 AM EST
    I still wouldn't do it.  As long as you have paths to walk through the house and a clean dish and glass - you're good for the weekend.  

    Go sit outside (if weather permits) and drink some lemonade with your daughter.

    (Maybe you can tell, I'm not big on the concept of housework either and procrastinate whenever I can)

    Parent

    I need more flowers in my life today (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:34:17 AM EST
    I like that in Southern Albama I seemingly get two seasons to grow beauty in in spring and fall.  It's tough on blooms in the summer here though.  I started some dragon wing begonias from cuttings.  They rooted terrific.  Begonias are new for me and I thought they would fill out quicker than they are.  Thinking about splurging for some great big full grown baskets that a greenhouse did all the hard work on.

    Parent
    Send pictures! (none / 0) (#20)
    by jbindc on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:57:21 AM EST
    How do (none / 0) (#96)
    by cal1942 on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:37:57 PM EST
    dragon wing begonias differ from the begonias we buy at the nursery and plant as annuals?

    Curious.

    Parent

    They seem to be a larger plant (none / 0) (#104)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:52:19 PM EST
    they can get some height on them.  I have only seen them in red so far, but they are a deep red. They are a leggier plant with a large wing shaped leaf and have a cascading look to them when they are grown and filled out.

    Parent
    Wow (none / 0) (#106)
    by cal1942 on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:58:52 PM EST
    they don't seem to be anything like the begonias we get from the nursery.

    Are they perenials in your part of the country?

    Parent

    I brought a large one indoors (none / 0) (#109)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 02:07:39 PM EST
    last winter.  It did okay and that was where I got all the cuttings for the ones I started this year.  They don't mind pots at all, but I did have to bring it in when it got chilly.  It got burned a little in the cold before I brought it indoors but recovered very well from it too.  A lady down the street keeps hers indoors in the winter as well and then places them outside here in the sun during the winter in the daylight hours when the temp has come up.

    Parent
    Hers are very large and pretty too (none / 0) (#110)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 02:08:25 PM EST
    Take a break. You must be emotionally (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:26:35 AM EST
    exhausted.

    Parent
    I was but having such a long (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:46:51 AM EST
    nap followed by a good night's sleep has helped us both tons.  Now I can see the house clearly though and just finished reading bobswern's new diary about the Goldman Sach's frontrunning trading code :)  She's trying on some new maternity outfits this morn and she looks really good.  She bought some Victoria Secret yoga pants and they are working terrific for the shape she is living in this month :)  This pregnancy is different than her first one and different from both of mine with her and her bro as well.  I got very puffy, she did too with Zoey.  She is very thin this time.  Looks like she's smuggling a soccer ball right now.  The pregnancy seems more fragile too and makes both of us nervous but she has had many ultrasounds and the baby seems to be doing very well.

    Parent
    tell me about it... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by CST on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:15:16 AM EST
    I just moved.  It feels like the cleaning/packing/unpacking will never end.

    I even had a week off to take care of it and it's not even close to done.  House work blows.

    Parent

    my house has not been (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:16:02 AM EST
    cleaned since I ruptured my tendon.  it looks like the pictures in TIME of son of sams house.


    Parent
    If you think about it (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by CST on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:34:09 AM EST
    in a lot of countries, hiring a cleaner is considered a duty, if you can afford it.  It's a jobs program.  I'm sure some neighbor of yours would be glad for the financial help.  Even if you just hire a teenager for the day.

    Parent
    You're about to sell me (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:35:54 AM EST
    I am aware that we are going to have to spend our way out of this economic disaster.  Conservative notions that hinder job creation are our enemy right now.

    Parent
    I don't think I could hire a cleaner... (none / 0) (#63)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:25:13 AM EST
    if I had a million dollars under the mattress...I'd feel like a sc*mbag having another clean up after me, even if I was paying a good wage...there is something to be said for washing your own dishes and underwear, what exactly I don't know, but it feels right in the gut:)

    Parent
    I'd have to clean... (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:35:42 AM EST
    ...my house before I could ever have someone came over to clean my house. Just like I do before my Mom visits and sets about cleaning everything in sight.

    Darn you ingrained Catholic guilt, Midwestern work ethic and Polish genes!

    Parent

    LOL... (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:42:56 AM EST
    a visit from Mom, the nieces, or a female admirer is about all that motivates me too...the rest I just warn about the filth and say come on in and make yourself comfortable:)

    Parent
    I got the clean freak (none / 0) (#75)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 12:04:44 PM EST
    ...genes from both sides of the family, so there's really not a whole lot of filth to deal with--just the day to day stuff that gets put off.  

    I'm just a little too AR about that stuff.  I like clean and I like it to be done my way.  It's just hard to do when you feel like crap most of the time.  

    I clean before Mom visits because then there is less for her to do.  We actually had quite the tiff when she came out for my last surgery and I found her down on her knees scrubbing the kitchen floor.  I know cleaning is a release for her, but that was too much.  

    Now she'll actually sit down and read a book.  

    Parent

    Mothers man... (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:22:43 PM EST
    they just can't help themselves can they?  Ours sound quite alike...last time I visited moms looked a little run down so I offer to cook dinner.  Does she sit down and relax like I would if she was cooking?  No, of course not. She's right at my heels helping and driving me nuts not letting me do anything!

    Ya gotta love 'em:)

    Parent

    Yeah you do. (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:52:02 PM EST
    She really can't help herself because that's all she's really known.  First taking care of a pack of younger siblings, then her kids (especially me) and finally my Dad.  It's high time she learned to take it easy.  It was a hard sell, but she's coming around.

    She's in surgery right now and I feel just terrible that I can't be there with her.  

    Parent

    Get well soon... (none / 0) (#115)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 02:43:26 PM EST
    wishes for moms... and better health to ya both.

    Parent
    Thanks! (none / 0) (#119)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 03:03:04 PM EST
    Luckily, she's every bit as stubborn and tough as I am, if not more so.  

    She's in recovery now, so now the hard part is her taking it easy while she heals.

    Parent

    Milehi (none / 0) (#124)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 03:28:18 PM EST
    Think carefully before you make a big campaign to get your mother to "take it easy" in her older years.  Speaking from experience with my own mother, the very last thing you want to do is have her feel useless and incompetent.  If cleaning is something she feels she can do and contribute to her wellbeing and to yours, put up a polite fuss to give her an out in case she really doesn't want to, but let her go ahead and at least do some if she insists.

    Parent
    I hear ya (none / 0) (#70)
    by CST on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:44:37 AM EST
    and mile-hi too.  Although a maid is different from a cleaner, in the sense that I don't picture a cleaner as someone who does the dishes or cleans laundry.  Just mops, vacuums, and sponges.  Also, if you have an event (or even just a Grandpa disaster) it can be more overwhelming than just the daily stuff.

    Then again, I may feel different if I get married or start having kids.  I got no problem cleaning up my own mess, but it's a whole different story when it's someone else's, even someone you live with.  Having lived with someone who was a complete slob, I gotta say, I wish they'd hired a maid.  Just so I would have room in the kitchen to do "my" dishes.  Far too often I ended up as the maid just because I couldn't stand it and they could.  Needless to say, we don't live together any more.

    Regarding other countries, it's often a way to keep people from starving.  Whether you feel you need it or not.

    Parent

    I know what you mean... (none / 0) (#72)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:49:13 AM EST
    I'm far from a neat freak...but compared to my roomies I am...I'm picking up after them constantly because the only thing I hate more than cleaning is b*tchin' at people...so I just do it.  

    See your point about the employment...its a good thing for the professional house cleaners not everybody thinks like us.

    Parent

    And even in this country (none / 0) (#137)
    by Cream City on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 07:25:54 PM EST
    I know many women who prefer the housecleaning job for its autonomy to factory jobs they have held.  They can pick and choose their clients, believe me -- and many qualify for medicaid and other benefits through the government.  The ones I know don't have much education, so it's one of the few jobs they can get that gives them their own scheduling, etc.

    And as one pointed out recently, if she had stayed with her factory job, she wouldn't have a job now.

    Parent

    Trust me Kdog, if you tried it (none / 0) (#80)
    by vml68 on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 12:31:59 PM EST
    you would get used to it real soon.

    I'd feel like a sc*mbag having another clean up after me, even if I was paying a good wage

    Till I came to this country I had never done any dishes, laundry, cooking or cleaning..... the novelty of learning to do these things for myself got old pretty quickly..... :-)!
    My parents (who like everything to be immaculate) are absolutely horrified by what a slob I've turned out to be.

    Parent

    I don't know vml... (none / 0) (#94)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:34:17 PM EST
    even eating at restaurants and being served bugs me out a little and makes me uncomfortable...I'm one of those weirdos who clears the table and leaves a neat pile for the busboy.

    I don't like being fussed over at all...maybe I could hire a cleaner as long as I wasn't home to watch them busting their arse...that I could not stomach.

    I ain't knockin' it though...I certainly have no druthers about others growing reefer for me, or slaughtering cows:)

    Parent

    Honestly, hiring a cleaner here makes (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by vml68 on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 02:22:57 PM EST
    me uncomfortable because it is very impersonal and businesslike.
    Back home, (as bizarre as this sounds) at least with my family the servants/maids were sort of part of the family, mostly because the same family would be with yours for generations so the lines would get a little blurry. One of our maids was older than my mom and she used to refer to my mom as her daughter. Even though there was an agreement on what her monthly salary would be, if she wanted more money for something she would just say to my mom, "you are my daughter, you have to help me" and my mom would just hand it over. If she wanted to watch a movie, she had no qualms about asking us to rent one for her so she could watch it on our big screen TV but she would refuse to sit on the couch, she always sat on the floor.
    When she started getting a little old to work my mom begged her to retire and she refused even though my mom told her we would continue to pay her. She finally gave in when it got too much for her but she still stops by our house and hangs out with my mom.

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    That does sound bizarre.... (none / 0) (#117)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 02:54:37 PM EST
    I really can't relate...too much of a cultural divide there.

    But it sounds like she loved you guys...in places with a ton of poverty I can see how hiring domestic help is considered a public service.

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    Yes, she definitely loved us. (none / 0) (#126)
    by vml68 on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 03:47:30 PM EST
    Though growing up I used to get mad at her for her "sexism/favoritism". She never let my brother lift a finger to do anything not even take his dinner plate to the kitchen with me she was not as concerned, I was just a "girl"!
    One of the things I loved about her was as devoted as she was to us she was equally devoted to our dog. For her, a globe-trotting dog who had been places she had never even heard of was something special. If he was off his food she would follow him around the house and hand feed him even if it took an hour or two and we could not stop her. It was another of those situations where the line between who was boss and who decided what to do was blurry.

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    My Argentinian and Chilean friends (none / 0) (#118)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 02:58:16 PM EST
    often say that the one thing America hasn't learned to do right is house help.

    Anyway, vml, what country are you from?

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    "what country are you from?" (none / 0) (#122)
    by vml68 on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 03:18:52 PM EST
    To tell you the truth,I have a hard time answering that question. My nationality is Indian. I have lived almost half my life in the Middle-east and half in the US with about five years in between in India. When I think "home", I still think the middle-east, though technically I am from India.

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    Of all the places I've traveled, (none / 0) (#127)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 03:57:07 PM EST
    Trivandrum, India (we stayed on the bluff overlooking the sea) and the Vivekananda Rock side-trip were my very favorite places to be.

    Of all the places around the world I've lived, Madinat Al-Jubail Al-Sinaiyah was the most intriguing.

    I think every person in the world should take the opportunity to live in a country where customs are uniquely different to theirs. There would be much more understanding and acceptance, IMHO.


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    To quote Louisa May Alcott (none / 0) (#39)
    by Cream City on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:32:24 AM EST
    in a saying I have framed on my wall nearby:

    Housekeeping ain't no joke.

    It's also not your highest priority now, with all that you and your family have been through.  Put up your feet, right next to your daughter's, after renting Little Women or some chick flick -- I recommend a recent one, The Women, now on demand that delighted me and my daughter -- and get some rest.  

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    Sometimes having a clean house isn't (none / 0) (#58)
    by Anne on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:20:36 AM EST
    as much about the clean as it is about the order.  I find that when my life is especially chaotic, or I am feeling particularly stressed, cleaning the house - or even just really getting one room or one closet or the pantry or the refrigerator - in order, makes me feel like I have been able to control something.  It just helps me assert my dominance over my little universe, so I feel like I am not about to spin out of my orbit, if that makes sense.

    I do the same thing at work - when I feel like I am beginning to lose control of the work flow, I will take a couple hours and just get all the papers where they are supposed to be, order the little piles into neat little to-do tasks - I always feel so much better!  And I almost always find something I had forgotten about - and usually in the nick of time, thank goodness!

    I find this to be pretty common in those of us who are more Type A than others - control is a big deal for us.  And that's why, now that my nest is empty, I am learning to let go of some of that need, to give myself permission to enjoy something in that moment, rather than not giving myself permission to enjoy until I have done something more chore-like.

    It's a work-in-progress, and I'm not always good at it - I do like a clean house, I like knowing where all our stuff is, and I see the sense in doing little things more frequently to save me from having to devote hours and hours to it when I have other things I want to do.


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    Can Jeralyn comment on this case? (none / 0) (#13)
    by fly on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:18:06 AM EST
    as posted on Emptywheel's blog..
    Stunning al-Haramain Filing Shames Obama; Shows Duplicity Of Officials
    By: bmaz Thursday July 9, 2009 12:35 pm http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com /

    and also was written about in The Washington Independant
    http://washingtonindependent.com/50268/terror-case-may-...

    thanks!!!

    Astana has broken Cancellara (none / 0) (#22)
    by scribe on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:11:31 AM EST
    about 5 km from the finish.

    Armstrong is 3-4 in the peleton, and will take yellow today.

    Well, those were some of the most astonishing (none / 0) (#38)
    by scribe on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:32:14 AM EST
    breakaway accelerations I've seen - Contador seemed rocket-propelled....

    Armstrong third by 8 seconds.

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    Remind me again . . . (none / 0) (#47)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:56:37 AM EST
    how long since his last tour and how old is he?! This was the day with the killer incline?

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    4 years since his last Tour, (none / 0) (#71)
    by scribe on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:45:24 AM EST
    37 or so years old, and yes, this was the say with a killer incline to end it.  

    He stuck himself at #3-4 in the peleton all the way, reeling in the breakaway.

    I don;t know if he can pull it off, though, but Contador is only 2 seconds ahead.  Thing is, they're teammates and that will make for an interesting dynamic.  The commentators were noting, though, what a perfect teammate Armstrong was being today.   We'll see if that holds....

    Great win of the stage for a rookie Frenchman.  And (by one point) he got the King of the Mountains jersey, too.

    I like that one - white with pink polka-dots.  The only way a guy gets away with wearing that is by being a bicycle racer.

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    Oh John... (none / 0) (#35)
    by CST on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:30:06 AM EST
    "Not being courteous is not really freedom of speech."

    I don't think it means what you think it means...

    That one made my brain hurt.

    I loved that song in High School (none / 0) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:30:37 AM EST
    I was such a damned terrorist cell when it came to fighting authority.  I washed everyday, beautiful shiny hair and white teeth, ironed my clothes, got upset if I didn't get an "A", and frequently sabotaged the lives of the authority figures I had to survive living with when I got bored :)

    Honduras: not a coup. (none / 0) (#45)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:51:37 AM EST
    Gosh (none / 0) (#46)
    by Steve M on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 10:56:19 AM EST
    I find myself compelled to agree with Miguel Estrada... for perhaps the first time in memory.

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    Made me check Wiki! (none / 0) (#56)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:19:23 AM EST
    You linked! (none / 0) (#64)
    by andgarden on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:33:21 AM EST
    I always heard him in the same mouthful as Janice Rogers Brown and Priscilla Owen. Gang of 13 and all.

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    Of course I linked. (none / 0) (#69)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:43:20 AM EST
    (I remember from long ago when your reply to one of my commments used the perjorative "air quote" or something similar!

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    Except (none / 0) (#73)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 12:00:46 PM EST
    Have you seen proof that Zelaya actually proposed anything about extending his term?

    According to this the so called non binding referendum was legal:

    President Zelaya intended to perform a non-binding public consultation, about the conformation of an elected National Constituent Assembly. To do this, he invoked article 5 of the Honduran "Civil Participation Act" of 2006. According to this act, all public functionaries can perform non-binding public consultations to inquire what the population thinks about policy measures. This act was approved by the National Congress and it was not contested by the Supreme Court of Justice, when it was published in the Official Paper of 2006. That is, until the president of the republic employed it in a manner that was not amicable to the interests of the members of these institutions.

    link

    I would not trust Estrada on anything.


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    I was just pointing out the op ed and, (none / 0) (#76)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 12:05:33 PM EST
    when I did so, I didn't know Estrada's history.  I don't have a dog in this fight.

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    Nor Do I (none / 0) (#85)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:02:20 PM EST
    Have a dog...

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    Article 239 (none / 0) (#78)
    by AlkalineDave on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 12:11:17 PM EST
    of the Honduran constitution:
    No citizen who has already served as head of the Executive Branch can be President or Vice-President. Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform, as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10 years.


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    Yes (none / 0) (#83)
    by Steve M on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:00:30 PM EST
    the proof is that the Supreme Court declared that the non-binding referendum was a constitutional violation.  I don't get to substitute my own judgment for that of the country's highest court when it comes to interpreting their constitution.

    The fact that there's a generic law that allows non-binding referendums to be put before the people hardly implies that it's ok to submit a referendum on the one topic that is expressly barred by the Constitution.

    I do not "trust" Estrada on anything, but his argument comports with the facts I have gleaned by reviewing any number of sources.  The pro-Zelaya argument seems to require people to say "a non-binding referendum couldn't possibly be a problem, no matter what the Honduran Supreme Court says."

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    I Get All That (none / 0) (#87)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:12:04 PM EST
    But I have not seen the so called referendum, nor have I read anything from Zelaya about him asking to extend his term. Nor have I seen the SC decision.

    According to the commentary I linked to above:

    Moreover, it is completely uncertain what the probable National Constituent Assembly would have suggested concerning matters of presidential periods and re-elections.

    I would imagine that the OAS, who has full spanish language ability, and obvious access to all the documents including the constitution, would not have taken a position that is in such blatant conflict with the Honduran constitution.

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    Yes But (none / 0) (#89)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:16:00 PM EST
    ...hardly implies that it's ok to submit a referendum on the one topic that is expressly barred by the Constitution.

    There is no evidence that the "one topic" was included in the poll.

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    Huh? (none / 0) (#93)
    by Steve M on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:30:15 PM EST
    You think maybe it was a referendum on health care reform, and everyone is lying when they say it was about term limits?

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    Yes (none / 0) (#107)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 02:01:29 PM EST
    I do. According to the comment linked, the poll was about rewriting the constitution, period, iow a new constitution, not amendments or changes.

    Of course it is clear where Zelaya was going with this as he had been paling around with Chavez, but it is not clear that he did anything illegal.

    Seems to me, based on the facts that the entire OAS cried foul, and the military officer who carried out the "coup" admitted to committing a crime, but believes he will be absolved because he  he was doing it for the good of the country, makes it appear that yes, many people are lying.

    It may have been a preemptive attack because they believed that Zelaya may have gotten enough people to want to rewrite the constitution, and that in the re write Zelaya would have a good chance of becoming president with no term limits.

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    Here It Is Spanish & English (none / 0) (#146)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 11, 2009 at 03:08:16 PM EST
    Today's La Prensa (Si regresa Mel irá a prisión)1 has the exact question:
    ¿Está de acuerdo que en las elecciones generales de 2009 se instale una cuarta urna en la cual el pueblo decida la convocatoria a una asamblea nacional constituyente? = Sí.......ó...........No.
    Translation:
    Do you agree with the installation of a fourth ballot box during the 2009 general elections so that the people can decide on the calling of a national constituent assembly? Yes or no.
    In other words: do you want there to be a ballot and a ballot box (Latin American elections often have one ballot per office and one ballot box per ballot) for the purpose of a referendum in November (alongside the presidential and congressional elections) to decide whether or not to call a constituent assembly to reform the constitution.

    link via DancingOpossum

    Estrada was FOS as usual.

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    Noam Chomsky in Harlem (none / 0) (#50)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:04:12 AM EST
    correction (none / 0) (#53)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:16:46 AM EST
    the speech was from last month.

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    Well (none / 0) (#51)
    by eric on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:05:48 AM EST
    it is pretty clear to me that he is simply making a normative argument for decency.  He isn't seriously suggesting some king of government censorship of speech that is mean.

    When I was growing up in the 50s, to be a good neighbor, you minded your own business," he said. "You were polite to other people. You were polite to their kids. You looked out for the kids. Now, none of those things mean anything.

    He's talking about his perception that people aren't as nice to each other as they used to be.  I think this is kind of a fallacy, frankly, that things used to be great before and now they have changed.  It is sort of the grumpy old man coming out in him.

    Nowhere does he actually suggest that free speech should be abridged.  He is just appealing to us to maybe be a little more kind and respectful in our speech.

    Oh (none / 0) (#52)
    by jbindc on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:11:46 AM EST
    I think he's right about people were nicer.  Now, everyone lets everything "all hang out".  And yes, kids were more respectful because let's face it - if you got in trouble in school or in the neighborhood, your parents knew about it and didn't blame everyone but the kid.  I'm not that old, but I am shocked to hear how kids talk to their parents and other adults.  (I'm also shocked how adults talk to other adults in public as well).

    Look at all the "reality" shows we have - what do they have in common?  They all involve people scheming, manipulating, and being mean to one another.  That's what we call entertainment nowadays.

    But if his larger point was that we shouldn't allow public meanness, then I disagree with that.

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    Thanks brother... (none / 0) (#57)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:20:29 AM EST
    I always felt that was one of Mellencamps weaker efforts, a total rip-off of "I Fought The Law"...but I guess that message could always use repeating:)

    "Breakin' rocks in the hot sun...I fought the law and the law won"

    The party is over in NY... (none / 0) (#66)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 11:40:39 AM EST
    looks like the state senate deadlock is over after Espada pulled the double double cross.  Link

    Oh well, it was nice to have a month without any new nickel and dime taxes or new tyrannies...NY'ers hold onto to your wallets, the show is on the road again!

    If even one of these nimrods gets re-elected we are definitely beyond hope.

    Dog, I wouldn't worry about it. (none / 0) (#88)
    by scribe on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:12:13 PM EST
    This is one of those things from a town where "People who make waves tend to disappear beneath them."  This little mess has made a lot of waves and now, in the way of things, will quietly slip beneath them into the dark, murky waters of the Hudson, never to be seen or heard from again.

    What I think worked the magic to unscrew this was Patterson loudly announcing he would be appointing Richard Ravitch as Lieutenant Governor.  This was a move of legal dubiety, since the state Constitution apparently makes no provision for such an appointment while the state law governing public officers apparently requires such an appointment:  "the governor shall appoint"  officers when vacancies occur.  So there was shaping up to be a donnybrook fight in the courts and Espada got the word that changing back would be much easier for all involved, particularly him.

    The funny part was in the NYDN editorial, where they praised Patterson's choice of Ravitch to high heaven, viz.:

    First, Paterson settles the critical question of who would be in charge should the governor be incapacitated.

    The answer is that New York would not fall into the hands of a two-bit crook and coveter of the throne like Sen. Pedro Espada. Instead, the state would be led by a man who has enjoyed distinguished careers in the private and public sectors, not least rescuing mass transit from collapse as Metropolitan Transportation Authority chief in the 1980s.

    Second, Paterson pushes the Senate toward emerging from the paralysis of infantile, destructive bickering in that, as lieutenant governor, Ravitch would wield the gavel and serve as a potentially tie-breaking vote. Deadlock be gone.

    Third, the Paterson administration - indeed, Albany at large - gains a wise head who has no political ambitions, is expert on issues ranging from transportation to finance and can speak with enormous credibility about the dire challenges that loom over the state far beyond the senatorial shambles of the moment.

    Never in long memory has the Capitol been more in need of adult supervision than it is today. The Legislature has been reduced by boss rule to a collection of check-cashers with virtually no sense of the greater responsibility. They had also gotten it into their heads, with some grounds, that Paterson was an easy mark.

    And then there was their praise of Ravitch himself:

    Not that I'm complaining, but you have to wonder why a smart, distinguished, seemingly sane guy like Richard Ravitch would come anywhere near here these days.

    Ravitch is, by all accounts, a hell of a public servant. And hell is exactly what he's signing up for by accepting Gov. Paterson's dubiously legal appointment as lieutenant governor.

    Maybe he's atoning for some long-forgotten transgression of his youth. Maybe he's building up a surplus of good karma.

    Whatever his reasons, Ravitch the good solider is marching smack into the middle of a snake pit at the Capitol.
    * * *
    It's not that Ravitch isn't up to the challenge.
    * * *
    He helped save the city from bankruptcy in the 1970s as head of the state's Urban Development Corp. Then he steered the Metropolitan Transportation Authority through a fiscal crisis in the early '80s.
    * * *
    So the question isn't whether Ravitch is qualified for this lousy job.

    The question is, why would he want it?

    He has nothing to prove as a good citizen.
    * * *
    The only plausible explanation is that Ravitch has adopted the firefighters code: When everyone else runs out of a burning building, you run in.

    Espada's electoral future is, itself, dubious.  The Bronx DA has been poking around his alleged residences trying to find out whether he actually lives within his district, talking to the neighbors, pulling in the housekeeper late in the evening for an extended interview, and such.  Lately, there has been a rash of reports of NYS Assembly-people and Senators not living in their districts (usually, they're representing poorer-darker districts and living in a "second" home in a richer-whiter area), and a big prosecution would not be an unexpected climax to that media campaign.  

    I think, when all is said and done, Espada may be happy to walk away from his current job without an indictment and go into the much-more lucrative and much-less regulated field of lobbying his prior colleagues.  And I think Messrs. Wink, Blink and Nod all came to that consensus and the deal was done.

    As to Monserrate:  he's not going to go to jail on that assault charge.  There will be some deal worked out to dispose of it.  Watch - wait.  

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    I do understand the sentiment (none / 0) (#84)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:02:12 PM EST
    when you consider some of the blathering of the likes of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. I'm big free speech guy, but a whole of lot of what these guys say is just incendiary bomb throwing. It adds nothing to public discourse.

    not the same (none / 0) (#86)
    by CST on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:06:58 PM EST
    there is a world of difference between getting a huge public platform, and paid millions of dollars to say something, and freedom of speech.  I am all for "freedom of speech" in the sense that I don't think Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh should be arrested for what they say.  That doesn't mean I think they should be paid and given a huge platform to express their views.

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    So (none / 0) (#92)
    by cal1942 on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:25:49 PM EST
    the gospel according to Mellencamp is that if you can't find enough people to agree with you, you should just STFU.

    Who was it again that Mellencamp supported in the primaries.

    These are the people who helped pick our candidate.


    Gimmie a break (none / 0) (#98)
    by CST on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:39:52 PM EST
    every idiot over 18 gets to vote.

    Plenty of them supported Obama and plenty supported Hillary.  Bob Johnson comes to mind.

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    He supported Edwards (none / 0) (#105)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 01:53:57 PM EST
    and after he dropped out, I think he was neutral as between Obama and Hillary and performed for all.

    Here's my You Tube video I took of him at the Edwards event during the Iowa caucuses.

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    I just (5.00 / 0) (#112)
    by cal1942 on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 02:16:37 PM EST
    gave myself an F for the thread.

    Working from memory is a real trap.

    I only remembered Mellencamp performing for Obama, so that must have been during the general not the primaries.

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    Yes, and it was seen (none / 0) (#136)
    by Cream City on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 07:20:07 PM EST
    as an endorsement, as Mellencamp admitted.

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    No. As Jeralyn notes above (none / 0) (#144)
    by Cream City on Sat Jul 11, 2009 at 11:11:18 AM EST
    Mellencamp would not do an endorsement.  At least not "upfront."  Your evidence otherwise?

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    Jeez (none / 0) (#147)
    by cal1942 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 09:56:30 PM EST
    I don't pay any attention to the endorsements of either entertainers or athletes.

    Quite obvious from the comment I made about Mellencamp.

    That aside it's claer from Mellencamp's free speech comments that he's ill equipped to make any statement about political matters, he simply has no knowledge or understanding of our Constitution, history or traditions.

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    ahh I was there as well!! (none / 0) (#141)
    by fly on Sat Jul 11, 2009 at 12:49:43 AM EST
    Working for Edwards camp!! It was a great concert!!

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    In the words of Nelson Munz... (none / 0) (#111)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 02:13:53 PM EST
    Ha Ha!

    In the last chapter of a stinging loss to now-Sen. Al Franken, Minnesota's Republican Party has sent the Democrat almost $96,000 to cover lawsuit costs.

    That had to be one hard check for them to write.  Payable to: Senator Al Franken


    Maybe they got the money (none / 0) (#114)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 02:42:17 PM EST
    from Mom and Dad Ensign.  They seem to have about that amount ready to go.

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    People to pray for (none / 0) (#120)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 03:05:59 PM EST
    And I don't even believe in prayer, but this story is just too sad and infuriating and tragic for words.  

    Couple who adopted 12 children slain.

    An old story on the couple and all their adopted family.

    Diary about sexism hits the Orange Satan (none / 0) (#121)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 03:06:16 PM EST
    Day off over now.  Time to tend to my womanly duties before I knock some dudes cyber teeth out or something.

    Ugh, I'm going to quit reading now! (none / 0) (#123)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 03:26:02 PM EST
    Why do I do this?  Why am I always astonished at the lack of social understanding at Orange?  I mean there are posters calling themselves women and saying that because Coulter dresses slutty that gives them permission to act like trash and say sexist things about her.  Now if Coulter dressed like a nice girl, I guess then they couldn't say sexist things about her.  Imagine the game of life that rules like that govern over......feck.....at least I can match my socks fresh out of the dryer.....and that makes me feel a little safe and organized :)  But how do so many people frequenting a vile leftwing blog actually come equipped with such social depth?  I suppose blogs will be blogs and do what blogs do.

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    Ha.... (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 03:59:19 PM EST
    I don't think Coulter dresses "slutty", although I have a very difficult time giving what she says any credibility for how vulgar her choice of words often is.


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    Gun Toter or AMEX Gold Crowd (none / 0) (#130)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 05:11:08 PM EST
    The right seems to be fractured at the moment between gun totin, pickup trukers and upscale whites, ergo all the intra party conflict around Palin.

    Rick Perlstein:

    The conservative opinion elite is divided--irreconcilably so--about Sarah Palin's decision to quit the Alaska governorship. One faction says good riddance: The Washington Post's Charles Krauthammer had already judged her unfit for national office 24 hours before her announcement, and The New York Times's Ross Douthat now refers to her "brief sojourn on the national stage" in the past tense. On the other side, the Post's William Kristol called Palin's quitting a "high-risk move" designed to catapult her to greater public prominence. Taking the longer view, though, the clash is symptomatic of the deepest strategic debate in Republican circles since the disciples of the Reagan revolution captured Congress in 1994
    .


    What should lead to a faster fall from grace (none / 0) (#131)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 05:17:36 PM EST
    Senator Sanford jetting off to Argentina to continue his affair with his soulmate for five days without notifying anyone where he was? Or Senator Ensign ending his affair with a member of his staff by giving her a $25,000 severance package and $96,000 in checks as parting gifts to the mistress, her husband, and her children written by the Senator's parents?

    I still have sympathy for Sanford. Afterall, he must have thought he had found true love similar to Farmboy and Princess Buttercup. Difficult to muster any sympathy for the conniving Ensign though as he tried to forge a coverup in such a way that it would go unnoticed by the IRS...along with what may be the most humorous part...having an OB/GYN say he cant comment on his conversations with Ensign concerning mistress payments due to Doctor/Patient privacy.

    How old is Ensign? (none / 0) (#133)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 06:18:15 PM EST
    I mean, I realize we could need our parents help at any point in our lives, but paying off a mistress?! I mean really now . .

    "Hi mom, dad! Could ya help me out of a jam. . . ?"

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    The good Senator (none / 0) (#134)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 07:04:27 PM EST
    is 51. I suspect the gift checks from his parents were more a method of hiding the payments rather than running to mom and dad for financial help. All I can say for sure is, having your mom send a $12,000 gift to the children of your mistress as payment for services rendered sure is an interesting way to end an affair. Personally I prefer the jumbled gut wrenching soulmate approach.

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    I didn't quite word that right (none / 0) (#139)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:25:41 PM EST
    I do think it was his money (lordy, I hope so!), but just even asking them to write them is a bit out there. It's not like he's a college kid who got himself in a jam. Geeze.

    I'd feel better about the soul mate approach if there wasn't a wife and kids involved.

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    I agree with you (none / 0) (#140)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 09:44:39 PM EST
    Would have been much more comforting had Sanford sat down with his wife and the two of them worked out an arrangement for both of them parenting the kids as they went their separate ways. Instead it appears as though he may have found his soulmate, but his first choice was to still have his cake and eat it too.

    Ensign...I'm still trying to find something there that makes the least bit of sense. Sounds like Ensign, the mistress, the mistress' husband, Ensign's parents, and Senator Coburn all had lost their minds.

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    Interesting AP article about (none / 0) (#132)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 10, 2009 at 05:31:45 PM EST
    advocacy groups for women and Judge Sotomayor nomination to SCOTUS:  link