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Frank Rich's Strange Column

Frank Rich has an interesting, but ultimately shortsighted and wrongfully aimed column today:

Sarah Palin and Al Sharpton don’t ordinarily have much in common, but they achieved a rare harmonic convergence at Michael Jackson’s memorial service. . . . Sharpton told the singer’s children it was their daddy’s adversaries, not their daddy, who were “strange,” he was channeling the pugnacious argument the Alaska governor had made the week before. . . . Sharpton’s bashing of Jackson’s naysayers received the biggest ovation of the entire show. . . . Th[e] overwhelming majority [of the GOP] isn’t just the “base” of the Republican Party that liberals and conservatives alike tend to ghettoize as a rump backwater minority. It is the party, or pretty much what remains of it in the Barack Obama era.

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[Palin] stands for a genuine movement: a dwindling white nonurban America that is aflame with grievances and awash in self-pity as the country hurtles into the 21st century and leaves it behind. Palin gives this movement a major party brand and political plausibility that its open-throated media auxiliary, exemplified by Glenn Beck, cannot. She loves the spotlight, can raise millions of dollars and has no discernible reason to go fishing now except for self-promotional photo ops.

The essence of Palinism is emotional, not ideological. Yes, she is of the religious right, even if she winks literally and figuratively at her own daughter’s flagrant disregard of abstinence and marriage. But family-values politics, now more devalued than the dollar by the philandering of ostentatiously Christian Republican politicians, can only take her so far. The real wave she’s riding is a loud, resonant surge of resentment and victimization that’s larger than issues like abortion and gay civil rights.

That resentment is in part about race, of course. When Palin referred to Alaska as “a microcosm of America” during the 2008 campaign, it was in defiance of the statistical reality that her state’s tiny black and Hispanic populations are unrepresentative of her nation. She stood for the “real America” she insisted . . .

Why Rich has chosen to identify this trend with Palin is hard to say. This has been the Republican Party for decades. Karl Rove recognized the political limits of the GOP's Paranoid Style and tried to reach out to the Latino electorate with some real succes under George Bush. But the base of the GOP would have none of it. And this rejection will go into overdrive next week in the confirmation hearings of Judge Sonia Sotomayor. As far as I know. Sarah Palin has never commented on Judge Sotomayor. Which makes Rich's reach top Palin jarring and forced. Indeed, he writes:

The latest flashpoint for this kind of animus is the near-certain elevation to the Supreme Court of Sonia Sotomayor, whose Senate confirmation hearings arrive this week. Prominent Palinists were fast to demean Sotomayor as a dim-witted affirmative-action baby. Fred Barnes of The Weekly Standard, the Palinist hymnal, labeled Sotomayor “not the smartest” and suggested that Princeton awards academic honors on a curve. Karl Rove said, “I’m not really certain how intellectually strong she would be.” Those maligning the long and accomplished career of an Ivy League-educated judge do believe in affirmative-action — but only for white people like Palin, whom they boosted for vice president despite her minimal achievements and knowledge of policy, the written word or even geography.

(Emphasis supplied.) Ummm, Fred Barnes was what he was long before the arrival of Sarah Palin. Rich pretends that Palin invented the GOP Paranoid Style. It is a bizarre argument. Indeed why Rich has decided to write about Palin at all on this issue is not at all clear. He even argues that the Palins are country club Republicans:

The politics of resentment are impervious to facts. Palinists regard their star as an icon of working-class America even though the Palins’ combined reported income ($211,000) puts them in the top 3.6 percent of American households.

The one thing you can not say about the Palins is that they are country club Republicans. Indeed, the resistance in the GOP to Palin comes from the few country club Republicans that wield any influence (see Will, George.) Rich's column seems a chain of strange and unconnected attacks. He lost the most important point in his column - the issue of how the GOP Paranoid Style will play politically this coming week in the Sotomayor hearings.

Rich should have used Jeff Sessions as his foil. In the end, Rich descends into amnesia anf hypocrisy as he brings up Hillary Clinton:

The Palinists’ bogus beefs about double standards reached farcical proportions at Fox News on the sleepy pre-Fourth Friday afternoon when word of her abdication hit the East. The fill-in anchor demanded that his token Democratic stooge name another female politician who had suffered such “disgraceful attacks” as Palin. When the obvious answer arrived — Hillary Clinton — the Fox host angrily protested that Clinton had never been attacked in “a sexual way” or “about her children.”

Americans have short memories, but it’s hardly ancient history that conservative magazines portrayed Hillary Clinton as both a dominatrix cracking a whip and a broomstick-riding witch. Or that Rush Limbaugh held up a picture of Chelsea Clinton on television to identify the “White House dog.” Or that Palin’s running mate, John McCain, told a sexual joke linking Hillary and Chelsea and Janet Reno. Yet the same conservative commentariat that vilified both Clintons 24/7 now whines that Palin is receiving “the kind of mauling” that the media “always reserve for conservative Republicans.” So said The Wall Street Journal editorial page last week. You’d never guess that The Journal had published six innuendo-laden books on real and imagined Clinton scandals, or that the Clintons had been a leading target of both Letterman and Leno monologues, not to mention many liberal editorial pages (including that of The Times), for much of a decade.

(Emphasis supplied.) Rich must think we have no memories of his own trashing of Bill Clinton and his own sexist and misogynistic work against Hillary Clinton in the 2008 election. Who does Rich think he is fooling?

For those of you who do have short memories, Here is a link to a google of Bob Somerby's work on Frank Rich. Rich takes us for, in Somerby's word, rubes. Like Andrew Sullivan, Rich wants us to forget what he did in the past. I won't.

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    I don't get his (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 11:31:18 AM EST
    Michael Jackson analogy, but I'm not getting on board the Sarah Palin Pity Train. I agree with most of what Rich said. And loved this line:

    She puts a happy, sexy face on ugly emotions

    I think she's going nowhere in 2012, and I hope I'm right so I don't have to expend any more brain cells writing about her. If I'm wrong, I'll be right there with Rich, reminding people of her dangerous ideology and hypocrisy and her lack of experience and brain power as "Poor, Poor Pitiful Me" plays in the background.

    Nobody asked you to get on any sort of train (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by lambert on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:21:22 PM EST
    Let alone a "pity" one. Here's BTD's bottom line:

    Rich takes us for, in Somerby's word, rubes. Like Andrew Sullivan, Rich wants us to forget what he did in the past. I won't.

    I don't hear any chuff-chuff-chuff there, so what's the point pf the comment?

    NOTE And if it's technically possible, can this erroneous headline be corrected? Thanks.

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    it's wiretapping and other forms of electronic (none / 0) (#32)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:45:19 PM EST
    surveillance. I just went back to make that clear. I also deleted two of your comments in that thread, one for calling someone an idiot. Please respect our commenting rules. It's not necessary to belittle other commenters to make your point.

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    Lambert, what's gotten into you today? (none / 0) (#34)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:47:46 PM EST
    I also deleted a a few comments of your's in this thread. Please, be civil and stop the personal attacks. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and the ability to state it without fear of being attacked.

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    J, there is a provocateur in our midst. (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:14:38 PM EST
     
    [Not Lambert.]

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    Not to mention (none / 0) (#48)
    by Steve M on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:22:08 PM EST
    a provocateuse or two!

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    Ha. Just googled. You're right. (none / 0) (#52)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:28:49 PM EST
    I do know the rules (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by lambert on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:35:04 PM EST
    But when somebody asks "Are you old"? I tend to take that personally since it is, after all, a question about my personal characteristics -- as opposed to simply pointing out the flaws in my argument.

    So, I responded in kind. I take it, then, that "Are you old" isn't a personal attack, since it remains in the thread. Good to know.

    Thanks for making the correction, by the way.

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    Twist (none / 0) (#60)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:47:00 PM EST
    My question was sincere, and meant to make a point. Clearly it was not meant as an insult but a question to point out how language changes, in particularly the term wiretap.

    The dictionary of today defines wiretap as it is colloquially understood. 50 years ago definition did not exist.

    So get off your high horse. No insult was intended.

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    "So get off your high horse." (5.00 / 3) (#64)
    by lambert on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:58:56 PM EST
    Check. Bye.

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    Huh? (2.00 / 0) (#69)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:13:34 PM EST
    I thought that check mate was the end, iow when you get to say bye.

    Oh well.. probably because I am old and am out of touch with the new term for check mate..

    check.

    lol

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    Bye (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by lambert on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:30:37 PM EST
    Bye.

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    Wiki article on "telephone tapping" (none / 0) (#65)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:02:22 PM EST
    has a paragraph on web tapping.

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    Jeralyn changed the headline (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by lambert on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:32:44 PM EST
    That means that "wiretapping" is not the same as "electronic surveillance," which was the point I was making.

    Metaphors based on CDs being as relevant, then, as they ever were: That is, not at all.

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    Did you hear BBC radio interview of (none / 0) (#83)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:45:09 PM EST
    Scottish teenager who was asked to give his reaction to cassette tape Walkman?  He sd. it was a good bit of technology for the time.  He'd never seen one before and didn't realize at first he had to flip the cassette to hear side 2.

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    Well Then (none / 0) (#84)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:45:21 PM EST
    You better alert the ACLU, as Jeralyn suggested. Someone's gotta stop the corruption of language from happening in front of our very eyes.

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    Love Linda Ronstadt's version of this song. (none / 0) (#2)
    by Angel on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 11:35:27 AM EST
    Can't stand Sarah Palin, wish she would just go away.  

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    I do not at all understand what Sarah Palin has to do with the GOP Paranoid Style.

    Sarah Palin isd about Sarah Palin. The GOP's Southern Strategy and representation of white male resentemnt is what will be on display starting Monday.

    Apparently not maby are aware that the Sotomayor hearings start tomorrow.

    Frank Rich is.

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    So, I guess the question is, for what (5.00 / 4) (#4)
    by Anne on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 11:46:26 AM EST
    purpose and to what end will the GOP use the oceans of cash people like Rich seem to think Palin will be able to raise?  Does the GOP, with the "help" of RNC chair Michael Steele and perhaps Sarah Palin, think it can attract more voters to their side?

    I don't know - for me, Palin and Steele represent the GOP stripped of its aura of wealth and power, and - surprise! - reveal just how hollow and petty and shallow and hypocritical and close-minded and intellectually dishonest it is.  Why anyone would want to identify with the party of Palin and Steele, or Sessions and Ensign and Sanford and Bush and Cheney is a question I cannot answer.  Truly, the less I have to see and hear Palin or Steele (as a Marylander, I already had to suffer through 4 years of Steele's lt. governorship), the better.  Please, let's give Palin what she wants: a private life and the end to endless media coverage of someone who - sorry - is just not that interesting.

    As for Frank Rich, Maureen Dowd, too - psssshhht; two fools I no longer suffer except via excerpts, mainly because as many times as I found myself muttering, "are you f-ing kidding me?" I decided their columns' only function to entertain those in the inner circle in which they wish to remain.

    Private Life? (none / 0) (#8)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:00:38 PM EST
    Please, let's give Palin what she wants: a private life and the end to endless media coverage of someone who - sorry - is just not that interesting.

    Not keeping up? Or is it that Palin is a really good liar and you were had?

    ANCHORAGE, Alaska | Brushing aside the criticisms of pundits and politicos, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said she plans to jump immediately back into the national political fray -- stumping for conservative issues and even Democrats -- after she prematurely vacates her elected post at month's end.

    moonie times


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    To be clear (5.00 / 8) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:12:53 PM EST
    My post is not about defending Sarah Palin - it is about understanding what is going to happen next week - the Sotomayor nomination hearings. LAst I heard, Sarah PAlin is not involved.

    Moreover, to identify Sarah Palin is the creator of the GOP Parnoid Style is to be ignorant of the political history of the US of the last 50 years.

    Finally, to hold up the Right's treatment of the Clintons, Frank Rich requires that we forget his own behavior.

    As I wrote at the end of my post - I will not.

    those of you who want to forget what the Ruches and Sullivans of the world have done to our discourse are welcome to do as you like.

    I will not join you.

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    And (5.00 / 6) (#18)
    by jbindc on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:16:30 PM EST
    the more the Frank Riches and Maureen Dowd's continue to focus on Palin, the less time they have to focus on the people in charge - the Reids, the Pelosis, and yes, the Obamas.

    They hate Palin so much - don't they understand that if they ignore her, she loses power and the attention of people, and she goes away.  But, just proves that they would rather not turn their attention to things and people that actually matter, because that would involve them doing something close to real journalism.

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    Pretty good summation (5.00 / 4) (#23)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:23:46 PM EST
    and fairly accurate.

    What I find amusing is that I heard how being anti choice makes Sarah Palin an anti feminist. Does that mean I can say the same about Reid who shares her position and is a Democratic PARTY LEADER(and what does that say about the Democratic party and IT'S commitment to feminism)?

    Frankly, I'm tired of double standards and the pitchfork crews who reek of hypocrisy when it comes to reasons I am supposed to think Palin is evil incarnate.

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    Read It (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:42:43 PM EST
    And I think that your fantasy piece about what Rich should have written, particularly focusing on Sotomayer, would have been a vast improvement, and certainly much more to the point on the "now."

    I did not think that Rich was arguing that Palin invented any new base, just that she seems to be the lightning rod for the Paranoid style, at the moment.

    As far as Rich's past transgressions, he could give a f*ck. He is more like teevee, and this is the latest episode. He is an entertainer, it's show biz.

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    hey, (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by ghost2 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:29:12 PM EST
    Simple lesson: sexism sells.  Blame Palin or Hillary.  Bash them.  Burn them at the stake.  Rich has learned this lesson really well.

    Bashing Sessions or Rove would not have been "sexy", in more than one meaning of the word.

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    Sure Does (none / 0) (#81)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:41:30 PM EST
    That is why Palin accused Hillary of whining, too bad it did not work out for her.


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    Don't you have anything else to do? (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by ghost2 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 05:04:06 PM EST
    Your whole function seems to be going around and repeating the same talking points.  I am going to ignore your comments from now on.


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    lol (none / 0) (#100)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 06:13:25 PM EST
    OK Shakespeare...

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    Rich has been tough on Rove (none / 0) (#110)
    by tworivers on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 07:03:35 AM EST
    Rich can be an idiot (and his treatment of Hillary was pretty awful, you're right), but in all fairness he has been pretty tough on Rove and George W. Bush on a number of occasions.

    I agree that Reid is richly deserving of criticism as well.  As of yet I haven't seen Rich go in for much of that.

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    OOPs (none / 0) (#111)
    by tworivers on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 07:07:24 AM EST
    Got confused.

    In my previous post, substitute Sessions for Reid. As in "Sessions is richly deserving of criticism as well."

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    OK (none / 0) (#16)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:15:34 PM EST
    Have not read the Rich piece yet, I was responding to Anne who appears to believe Palin is retiring.

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    Wow, are you out of touch (none / 0) (#95)
    by NealB on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 05:20:35 PM EST
    When you mention Frank Rich and Maureen Dowd in the same sentence, I think, you give yourself away. Hey, New Yorkers didn't like Hillary very much. America doesn't like Hillary very much. When will you Hillary-uber-alles idiots finally get over it.

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    Out of Touch? (5.00 / 0) (#113)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 08:28:43 AM EST
    With the exception of squeaky, you are the only other person in this section of the thread to mention Hillary. So, who's truly obsessed? Come out from under that obsession of hate, admit you need to get over it, and enjoy this thriving economy.


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    You Missed This (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by squeaky on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 02:02:59 PM EST
    (
    Emphasis supplied.) Rich must think we have no memories of his own trashing of Bill Clinton and his own sexist and misogynistic work against Hillary Clinton in the 2008 election. Who does Rich think he is fooling?

    and this (which I responded to pointing out that Palin made a sexist comment about Hillary) :

    hey, (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by ghost2 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:29:12 PM EST
    Simple lesson: sexism sells.  Blame Palin or Hillary.  Bash them.  Burn them at the stake.  Rich has learned this lesson really well.
    Bashing Sessions or Rove would not have been "sexy", in more than one meaning of the word.

    and this:

    Rich has been tough on Rove (none / 0) (#110)
    by tworivers on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 07:03:35 AM EST
    Rich can be an idiot (and his treatment of Hillary was pretty awful, you're right), but in all fairness he has been pretty tough on Rove and George W. Bush on a number of occasions.
    I agree that Reid is richly deserving of criticism as well.  As of yet I haven't seen Rich go in for much of that.

    You are either a moron or a liar. Probably both.

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    Wondering why you have carte blanche (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 02:07:58 PM EST
    given yesterday's slapping-down of Lambert.  

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    Carte Blanch? (5.00 / 0) (#116)
    by squeaky on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 02:13:51 PM EST
    Either inspector gadget is lying or unable to read. Are you also making a gratuitous drive by? Or just playing cop?

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    Frank Rich (none / 0) (#102)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 06:45:30 PM EST
    also didn't like Al Gore much either.  Did you think he was a great columnist then?

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    Re-election, wins 58 of 62 counties (none / 0) (#108)
    by NYShooter on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 11:44:34 PM EST
    second greatest victory in NY history

    Wipes out Obama in primary

    So many haters

    Unlike you, some even have facts

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    Of course he would pick (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Maryb2004 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 11:56:29 AM EST
    Palin as the face and symbol of this type of Republican.  Why?  Because she's famous and she was second to the top on her party's national ticket last year.  

    I bet most people in America don't know who Jeff Sessions is but they sure know who Sarah Palin is.

    You, in fact, do Palin a disservice by minimizing her achievement of being nominated for Vice President on her party's ticket and using that status to achieve the status of Face of the Party. That status has nothing to do with the reality of who is better or worse on issues.  It is simply status. Politicians usually only dream of doing that.  She achieved it.  

    Don't take it away from her and give it to a man.

    Excuse me (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:07:27 PM EST
    Jeff Sessions will be the leading face of the GOP next week. It is stupid and absurd to pick Palin today considering what begins tomorrow. It is typical on Rich's inanity.

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    And after next week (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Maryb2004 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:16:47 PM EST
    most Americans will still not know who Jeff Sessions is.  

    Much to the chagrin of Jeff Sessions I am sure.  Jeff Sessions probably spends his nights dreaming about what he would be able to do if HE had been nominated for Vice President, became the Face of his Party and that leftist Frank Rich were writing inane columns about him.

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    I will be chagrined (4.66 / 3) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:19:12 PM EST
    if more Americans do not know who he is after the next weeks and will consider it a failure of Democratic and progessive operatives if Jefferson Sessions is not much better known by the end of the week.

    Perhaps you see my point now? OR not.

    Either way, at least we agree that Rich's column is not particularly coherent.

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    I suspect you will be chagrined. (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Maryb2004 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:29:19 PM EST
    I completely understand the underlying point of your post.  

    I suspect that next week, however, the media will focus on Sarah Palin's reaction to the hearings.  Why?  Because she is the Face of the Republican Party.  

    And if you write about that focus on Sarah Palin then you too will be shining the spotlight on her and not on Jeff Sessions.  


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    Other than spotlighting Mr. Ricci's (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:31:32 PM EST
    testimony, wonder what the TV news will be interested in re the hearings.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#109)
    by NYShooter on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 11:48:02 PM EST
    they will actually explain Title VII to the public.

    Nah.....jusk kidding

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    Party fractures (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:11:35 PM EST
    both parties are fighting for their ideological souls IMO. Do I prefer a more moderate conservative view where it's leadership could(and did) appoint a pro choice judge to the bench despite its ideological aversion to abortion? Do I prefer a conservative who could and did go back to her state and increase funding for Head Start or for low income health care(at a time when even states with Democratic governors are cutting back)? You betcha.

    I'll take her over the Newt Gingrichs of the party every day and twice on Sundays.

    As for the Democratic Party, as of this minute I'd say the "liberal/progressive(and I am using liberal in the loosest sense since I don 't think it's very liberal to behave as I saw during the primary)" portion of the party is losing to the more corporate faction. They have hardly even made the scoreboard since Nancy Pelosi proclaimed single payer off the table. I don't see the corporate branch of the Democratic party as that much "better" than the corporate branch of the GOP. I'll be choosing the alternative in 2012 unless I see progress in areas such as health care or a return to regulation.

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    Losing it's soul to the corporate faction... (5.00 / 7) (#25)
    by lambert on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:25:54 PM EST
    Indeed.

    That's why "Look! Over there! Sarah Palin!" is useful, tactically.

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    Yep (5.00 / 5) (#33)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:46:50 PM EST
    It's sad that so many people are falling for the bright, shiny object instead of focusing on ISSUES. The party is hoping in 2012 that you won't care that you still don't have a health care system that works, that you are still having your conversations listened to, or that we are still occupying Iraq because what REALLY matters is that you hate Sarah Palin.

    Sarah Palin: The national issue- it's absurd

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    Or... (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by lambert on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:21:27 PM EST
    ... that we've given $15 trillion (though only two in cash) to the banksters with no accountability and no transparency. TARP is the least of it.

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    The banksters (5.00 / 5) (#61)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:47:25 PM EST
    are only the tip of the iceberg. I suspect the health care piranhas are going to get their share too. I particularly believe this when you have people from our side of the aisle in DC trumpeting Medicare D(the GOP giveaway to pharma) as a success story.

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    Well (none / 0) (#56)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:40:37 PM EST
    Calling Palin the bright shiny object in the room, could be seen as sexist. Her political positions, and rising platform are well worthy to counter, imo. The sexism and idiotic mumbling rather than political attack, is also a very interesting subject, imo.

    I do not see her as unsubstantial, I do see her as a political threat. IMO, she is not an example of today's disposable toy soon to be in the dustbin of history.

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    Palin (5.00 / 4) (#63)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:58:23 PM EST
    herself isn't an issue(and the media does a poor job discussing her postions on policy and her actual actions regarding her policy positions). I'm not going to pretend she is so someone can pretend to have the moral high ground on me in regards to sexism.

    I felt the same way in regards to charges of racism during the primary.

    Personally, I'm not a party idealogue so I don't see Palin as a threat. If the Dems do a horrible job for the next 4 years then they'll deserve to lose and be replaced. I'd prefer it to be someone like Palin to someone like Jindal or Gingrich.

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    No Moral Highground Intended (none / 0) (#67)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:10:25 PM EST
    I think that Palin is difficult for many, and all sorts of unusual behavior seems to happen around her.

    For me it is fascinating, and not in a tabloid way. We'll see how it plays out.

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    I disagree with (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:24:19 PM EST
    her ideologically on choice but I like the fact that despite her aversion to abortion that she would buck convention and appoint a pro choice justice(she could have sent both choices back). I also liked that she vetoed a piece of legislation that would have discriminated against gay couples on constitutionality despite her position that marriage is between a man and a woman. I see potential in her as a conservative that might actually have "compassion" rather than mouth it as a platitude.

    As you say though, we shall see. I'm interested to see what she does with her time once she leaves office.

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    Governor Palin did, in her first veto, (none / 0) (#86)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:56:25 PM EST
    block a bill that would have prohibited health benefits to same sex couples, because it was unconstitutional (in keeping with the Alaska Supreme Court), but did raise the possibility of seeking a constitutional amendment.  Also, her position was for support of Alaska's decision to amend the constitution to ban same sex marriage.

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    At least one astute Dem politician (5.00 / 4) (#88)
    by Spamlet on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 04:11:29 PM EST
    agrees with you:

    What a lot of people don't know is that Palin entered Alaska politics as a reformer attacking the corruption of the state's Republican establishment. As such, she was the darling of the Democrats - until she hooked up with McCain.

    After the election, with Palin back home but positioning herself for a 2012 presidential run, it was clear she would catch nothing but ridicule from Alaska's Democrats. . . .

    If Palin wants to play on the national field, she has to be free to move around. . . .

    Palin faced the prospect of being constantly pinned down in a state that is a day and a half away from the rest of America. . . .

    Now she can study up on issues where she is lacking and become a full-time political celebrity. . . .

    Better to take one hit for stepping down and move on than to stay in Alaska and die a death by a thousand cuts. . . .

    Palin is still the biggest star in the Republican galaxy.

    Link

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    That whole column... (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by EL seattle on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 04:32:34 PM EST
    .. is a great read.  Five items, local and national, but interesting even if you don't have a scorecard to track the local references.  All clearly written and to the point -- a perfect counterpoint to Frank Rich's clumsy meanderings.

      I think that Willie Brown's thoughts are almost always worth paying some attention to.  Thanks for the link.

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    But seriously, folks (none / 0) (#112)
    by DFLer on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 07:23:53 AM EST
    I don't see this happening:
    Now she can study up on issues where she is lacking...

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    The more the media talks trash about (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 11:59:43 AM EST
    her the more traction she will get with average Americans. People are starting to realize the media has an agenda and it isn't in their interest. I have little to no doubt that Palin can't be much worse than Bush or Obama(who has largely continued the last admins policy in addition to holding the biggest cash giveaways evah to corporate America)

    She Is Playing It (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:07:33 PM EST
    Not just the media. No doubt her PR team is working at this very minute.

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    more power to her if she is (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:24:11 PM EST
    Frankly, I prefer Palin to many of the alternatives from that side of the aisle.

    Ultimately, I'd prefer a liberal(a real one thank you) but I'll take a kinder gentler GOP member if need be.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#54)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:34:26 PM EST
    Because it feels so much better to be stabbed in the back by a kinder gentler GOP member..

    lol

    Hey for some it might even classify as an autoerotic death.

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    Actually (5.00 / 4) (#58)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:43:14 PM EST
    the GOP usually stabs in the front while smiling at you. It's the Democratic Party that goes for the back and giggles about it to your backside.

    All that blather about being for the average man and where did trillions go again? Oh that's right, the banks. Oh wait, I forgot, the NEW coalition doesn't need working folk. Then there's the Dem platform on LGBT or has it been officially removed yet? Let's not even get started on a woman's right to choose(unless of course her doctor or pharmacist disagree with her decision on a moral level). The Democrats have quite the pretty platform to bad they only dust it off every election cycle to opine about it.

    You'll have to forgive me if I don't give the Democrats "dibs" on my backside.

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    lol (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:55:10 PM EST
    Yes, that was funny..  about stabbing in the front.

    Although I disagree. For instance much of the white working class tends to vote against their self interests, GOP. This seems clearly the GOP smiling on the face, while stabbing in the back.

    Most pols do it in a narrow way because they have to get divergent people to vote for them, so they say one thing to A and a contradictory thing to B.

    But imo the GOP takes the cake as two faced back stabbers. Their outright lies are generated with contempt and cynicism. We invent reality??? The party of family values???  Red states have the highest divorce and domestic violence rates, Blue states the lowest.

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    Democrats on working class so far (5.00 / 5) (#71)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:17:18 PM EST
    do you think the white working class would see Obama's giving trillions to the banking industry as a reason to vote Democrat?  

    We have millions without healthcare and the Democratic party(who controls Congress and the WH) feels the need to cater to the health insurance industry. Do you think that is going to enamor the working class to them?  

    Then, we have the credit card industry, who managed to get away yet again without having economic caps enacted and are bleeding people dry
    during the economic recession which has taken millions of jobs away from people and left then vulnerable. Do you see this as pro working class?

    There also was the cramdown provision defeated in Congress that would have allowed bankruptcy judges to rewrite mortgages(Evidently there isn't a whole lot of faith that judges could look at the facts, review them and then make a determination).

    All in all I'd say that the working class(white or otherwise) isn't represented by either party. GOP or elsewise. It really doesn't seem to matter how they vote because, in principle, neither party represents them or their interests.

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    OK (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:26:22 PM EST
    do you think the white working class would see Obama's giving trillions to the banking industry as a reason to vote Democrat?

    No, but the GOP is the party of giveaways to the rich and f*ing the working class, but they somehow get snookered every election. Strange, imo.

    We have millions without healthcare and the Democratic party(who controls Congress and the WH) feels the need to cater to the health insurance industry. Do you think that is going to enamor the working class to them?

    The white GOP working class thinks Universal Heath care is socialism/communism and are vociferoisly against it. So the fact that it is even being discussed will lose white working class votes.

    And yes, the working class are f'ed by the fat cats, dem or r,
    From my vantage point it does appear that the Dems have historically, (and currently) offered a better platform than R's when it comes to benefit working class voters.

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    Surely you jest re Obama. (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:04:38 PM EST
    No I don't (5.00 / 4) (#17)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:16:15 PM EST
    Iraq(expanded to afghanistan). State secrets, same as Bush. Justice Department arguing for DOMA. Conscience clause still in effect(let's hear it for the third branch who knocked it down at least on a state level for Plan B). Guantanamo Bay.......opppsie......who could of ever imagined that countries wouldn't want people that we labeled as terrorists back and that we wouldn't be anxious to have them for a sleepover. Then there is the gross incompetence regarding the economy. Heck, he sounds just like Bush 2 when he blames the Bush administration(Bush blamed the Clinton Admin foir his first 4 years).

    Nope, sadly, not kidding at all.

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    peggy noonan's outrage at palin (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Turkana on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:22:56 PM EST
    reminds me of sally quinn's outrage at bill clinton.

    Really?? (none / 0) (#72)
    by ghost2 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:20:30 PM EST
    It's really rich of both you and BTD to jump on whichever bandwagon is convenient.  Big Tent Democrat has no leg to stand on when it comes to media critism, since he justified (and by extension, advocated) voting for Obama because Obama was the "press darling."  And he now has the Chutspah to call on the sexism on the press? Don't make me laugh.

    As for you, I was disappointed to see you write this.  Seems like you and BTD both are part of the brotherhood when it's convenient.

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    sorry (5.00 / 3) (#87)
    by Turkana on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 03:07:46 PM EST
    palin is hideous, regardless of gender. i ridiculed bush, too, and for many of the same reasons. idiots are idiots, demagogues are demagogues, and it has nothing to do with sexism.

    and btd and i both got plenty of criticism for criticizing obama. i leaned towards hillary, and he leaned towards obama, and for both of us it was for very nuanced reasons. i think he thought obama more electable. i was for hillary primarily because i thought the grassroots and netroots would hold her feet to the fire, to push her to be more liberal, while i thought many would excuse obama's compromises and centrism. i was right. maybe btd was, too. but both of us defended hillary against the onslaught of dishonest and sexist attacks, including from some very prominent bloggers. and we were both criticized for that, too.

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    Or an apology.... (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by oldpro on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:38:37 PM EST


    For What? (none / 0) (#31)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:44:51 PM EST
    Do you think that asking if someone is old is akin to being racist or something?

    Certainly not where I was going, some of my best friends are old.

    lol

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    Ahhh...but would you let your sister (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by oldpro on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:04:44 PM EST
    marry one?

    An oldster, that is.

    Yes.  Ageism, racism and sexism are birds of a feather.

    Look.  We all make mistakes.  Facing up to them is the mark of maturity.  

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    Of Course (none / 0) (#42)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:09:46 PM EST
    I would not care if she loved him or her, or was just marrying for the money or whatever, that is up to my sister.

    Not sure what your point is.

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    Frank Rich is Frank Rich. . . (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by andgarden on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:49:20 PM EST
    And I agree that Jeff Sessions is much more toxic for the GOP than Palin.

    I am trying to imagine Frank Rich's (none / 0) (#37)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:56:51 PM EST
    rebuttal to BTD's post!

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    If Armando was as topical as Palin... (none / 0) (#97)
    by NealB on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 05:26:24 PM EST
    ...Rich might respond. I'd like to see it happen outside of Armando's dreams.

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    Jeff Sessions is very toxic (none / 0) (#38)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:57:26 PM EST
    and he's the leading Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee now. I agree he's more dangerous than Palin because he has some power and she has none. He's also from the South not an outpost like Alaska.  I haven't been following Republican politics, is anyone suggesting that he's priming himself for higher office? If he is, I'll start paying more attention to him.

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    The Republicans are so far out of power (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by andgarden on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:01:43 PM EST
    that ranking membership of the JC is a pretty high post. He's their Pat Leahy.

    As for higher aspirations. . .pols almost all have them.

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    Two points (5.00 / 3) (#45)
    by Steve M on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:20:53 PM EST
    Why Rich has chosen to identify this trend with Palin is hard to say. This has been the Republican Party for decades.

    1. This has been part of the Republican Party for decades, yes.  But the GOP has always been a coalition.  The noteworthy fact is that they are bleeding all the other elements of the coalition away, leaving the resentful Palinites as virtually the entirety of the party.

    2. Many Republicans have employed this theme over the years, but few of them were such a pitch-perfect embodiment of the message as Palin is.

    As a side point, I marvel at the cluelessness of people like Rich who think they're making a point by bringing up Palin's income as some kind of proof that she's actually a member of the elite herself.  Funny how the family income doesn't stop Rich and his colleagues in the media from mocking Palin as trailer trash every chance they get.  Did people really fail to take note, from the treatment of Bill Clinton, that you don't outgrow your caste just by making a few bucks (or going to Oxford, for that matter)?  I don't exactly recall Bubba being welcomed warmly to the watering holes of the well-to-do!

    Regarding #2 (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:30:50 PM EST
    Palin was perceived as working class, and let it play because it was working for her. She is solid middle class.

    I read this as a touche, stupid as it was, by RIch. He was doing the same as Palin but in reverse. IOW he implied that Palin was upper class rich, by putting her in a 3.9% percentile of the population.

    Of course he knows that that percentile includes many in the middle class, he was emphasizing her game by imitating it, imo. If anyone called him on it he could honestly say, 'I never said she was upper class, or even rich'. Just like Palin could say, 'I never said I was working class.'

    Stupid trying to be smirkingly clever.

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    How does (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:42:24 PM EST
    "bitter, clinging to their guns" fit into all this?  BTW, in those remarks, primary candidate Obama promised health care for all in America.  

    P.S.  Google of "bitter clinging" turned up:

    link

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    Another oddity in Rich's column. (5.00 / 3) (#66)
    by Sweet Sue on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:09:18 PM EST
     Another odd thing about Rich's column and one that stood out for me:

     That resentment is in part about race, of course. When Palin referred to Alaska as "a microcosm of America" during the 2008 campaign, it was in defiance of the statistical reality that her state's tiny black and Hispanic populations are unrepresentative of her nation.

    Is Rich unaware of the Native American population of Alaska or did he just conveniently forget about them?

    Good point (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:31:00 PM EST
    I suspect the Native American population of New England is underrepresentative of the nation too.  So does that mean Boston is not a microcosm of America?

    Wonder what state or city IS a microcosm of America in Rich's eyes...

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    Native Americans (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by lentinel on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 05:14:07 PM EST
    don't exist for most "Americans".

    I consistently recoil every time I see a reference to the football team called the "Redskins". I can hardly believe it.
    When I have mentioned it, the usual response I get is something like, "get over it". Like I'm a party-pooper. If I get any response at all.

    It's like a gigantic callous on the souls and brains of Americans.

    The term is similar to other ethnic slurs which I will not reprint here. There is a horrifying origin to the term that I read when googling it.

    So - Rich not even considering the existence of this minority is par for the course. Nobody does.

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    One need not marginalize (none / 0) (#74)
    by oldpro on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:25:06 PM EST
    the first people of America, whether in Alaska or any other state, to marginalize the effect of their voting in a national election, particularly when compared to a growing Hispanic voting bloc.

    I wonder...in which states do first people's votes matter most for statewide and/or local elections?  Hawaii, no doubt.  Others?  Time for research!

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    Don't forget. (none / 0) (#85)
    by ghost2 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:47:39 PM EST
    Her husband, Todd, is part Native American.  

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    Rich isn't a serious columnist (none / 0) (#107)
    by cal1942 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 11:37:07 PM EST
    Over time I've reached the conclusion that when we read a Frank Rich column what we are often reading is NY-DC cocktail party talk.

    No need for annoying specifics when engaged in casual conversation, it would be bad form to  interupt the flow.  His stuff isn't meant for contemplation.

    And of course it's simply not polite to remind the people in the circle of their own perfidy, that would spoil the evening.

    The tragedy in all this is that he's published in the highest profile newspaper in the country.

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    Big Tent Democrat's Strange Post (none / 0) (#3)
    by NealB on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 11:44:15 AM EST
    Hey, no offense Armando, but this post criticizing Frank Rich's column for choosing the subject of one of the top news stories of the last week as his topic over Jeff Sessions is really strange. If he chose Jeff Sessions over Palin, that would be the odd thing. Anyway, columnists like Rich do this all the time; use the hot story of the day as their springboard. The New York Times is a major daily newspaper. Generalities is what they do.

    And as for his failure to mention his past writing about Hillary, I fail to see how it compares to Rush Limbaugh or even Letterman and Leno who used Hillary as their punching bag to a much larger audience much more often than Rich. And Rich was pointing out the sexist abuse suffered by Hillary and abusive attacks on Chelsea. Rich is not a big Hillary fan whether his reasons are good or not, but it's odd to compare him to the comedians he mentions in his column today.

    May I suggest (5.00 / 5) (#12)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:08:07 PM EST
    that you do not understand my post.

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    I do (5.00 / 4) (#43)
    by NYShooter on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:09:56 PM EST
    And I didn't get Rich's convoluted comments either. It was like his deadline was approaching and he hadn't thought about a subject for his column until the last minute, and slapped it together on the schoolbus just before class.

    And that sexist pig's sudden defense of Hillary Clinton was like, Wow!


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    I do, and I will never forget how Rich bashed (5.00 / 6) (#50)
    by kempis on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:24:45 PM EST
    ...the Clintons in 08, recycling old GOP-authored memes, as did many "progressive" Obama-boosters. Rich was particularly irresponsible.

    Here, I guess he's trying to forward a Democratic strategy of branding the GOP as the party of Palin.
    The risk in doing so, as BTD intimates, is that it ties a long-standing GOP "Southern Strategy" to Palin, allowing some to ignore the white fright that the GOP has been playing to since Nixon.

    I've heard the few, remaining "reasonable" Republicans talk about returning the party to Reagan, as if Reagan won two elections on reason rather than anti-civil rights, anti-women's rights backlash that swept up the Southerners and Midwesterners who had voted Democrat since FDR.

    The GOP has a long history of race-baiting, as most of us here know. However, I can see how Rich's foolish talk about the Palinization of the GOP provides a loophole for those Republicans who are still intent on burnishing (and fabricating) Reagan's legacy and re-centering the GOP on a reasonable (and mythical) past. In short, it lets Reagan and Bush and DeLay and Armey and Santorum and Conyers and Hatch and all those people off the hook for the race, gender, and gay-bashing they relied on to please the party faithful.

    So I can see a problem with Rich's strategy. And that doesn't mean that I give a damn about Sarah Palin. There are smart ways and dumb ways to object to someone. I think Rich and many others are playing checkers, not chess.

    But then that's par for the course for Rich, who I'm sure never thought in Spring 08 that Teh Evil Hillary would be his hero's Secretary of State, or that Obama maybe really wasn't the Second Coming of RFK, JFK, and MLK all rolled into one.

    You'd think that a guy who has been so wrong, so careless, would pause a long time and think very, very carefully before writing again.

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    Huh? (none / 0) (#92)
    by NealB on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 04:41:11 PM EST
    "You'd think that a guy who has been so wrong, so careless, would pause a long time and think very, very carefully before writing again."

    Frank Rich one of the most progressive columnists in all of mainstream journalism.

    You're just still mad 'cause he didn't like Hillary better than Obama.

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    Nope (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by kempis on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 05:52:54 PM EST
    I'm mad because of HOW he expressed that preference, as I explained.

    And I don't see a damned thing "progressive" about that.

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    You (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 06:43:54 PM EST
    apparently get your warped reality from places like DailyKos.

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    That does crack me up. (none / 0) (#103)
    by Fabian on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 07:56:38 PM EST
    Rich?  a most progressive columnist?

    I need to be pointed to all the Rich columns where he outs himself as an unwavering feminist.

    You don't have to be a feminist to be considered a "progressive" by less than half the population.

    Does anyone know what Rich thinks of the LGBT issues?  That's another chunk of the population.

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    May I suggest (none / 0) (#89)
    by NealB on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 04:30:07 PM EST
    that you don't understand my comment?

    Suggest whatever you like. Say what you mean.

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    hypocrites galore!! (none / 0) (#76)
    by ghost2 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:26:41 PM EST
    And as for his failure to mention his past writing about Hillary, I fail to see how it compares to Rush Limbaugh or even Letterman and Leno who used Hillary as their punching bag to a much larger audience much more often than Rich.

    It's like BTD's failure to mention that he gave a lot of power to media by voting for Obama since Obama was "the press darling."

    Words (and critisms) have no meanings unless they are backed up by actions.

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    i think Rich is kind of sorry he didn't (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 11:47:46 AM EST
    keep his gig as theatre reviewer for NYT.  Ben Brantley has been reporting from London for a couple of weeks.

    I'm sorry about it, too. (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by Radiowalla on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 12:48:05 PM EST
    He's doing for political discourse what he did for Broadway.

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    Rich was a good theatre critic (none / 0) (#96)
    by NealB on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 05:24:34 PM EST
    Not sure what your comment means since it contains nothing that means anything, but Frank Rich was a good theatre critic for the NYTimes.

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    Well, I disagree. (none / 0) (#118)
    by Radiowalla on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 10:58:52 PM EST
    He was responsible for the death of many a Broadway show.  Killed them in the crib before they had a chance.  Hence the nickname "The Butcher of Broadway."

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    But did they deserve infanticide? (none / 0) (#119)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 11:28:05 PM EST
    Noonan on Palin (none / 0) (#41)
    by tworivers on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:08:01 PM EST
    Peggy Noonan generally makes my stomach turn, but I liked this description of Palin from her article in the WSJ today:

    She was limited in her ability to explain and defend her positions, and sometimes in knowing them. She couldn't say what she read because she didn't read anything. She was utterly unconcerned by all this and seemed in fact rather proud of it: It was evidence of her authenticity.

    I'll add that i don't like where Noonan goes at the end of the article at all (it reminds me of the myriad ways I disagree with her views).  Her description of Palin is pretty spot on, though.

    Rich's column is an oddity, (none / 0) (#47)
    by oldpro on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:21:45 PM EST
    I agree.  He's making soup out of every damn thing in the fridge.  Final product is not tasty.  And as you point out, the most tasteless is his attempt to rehabilitate his own reputation for sexism.  Can't be done.

    Jeff Sessions, like McCain, is a fascinating, dangerous (though personally unattractive, I'd say) somewhat unknown leader in the R party and worth keeping an eye on but he'll never have the press attention achievable by the Sarah Palins of this political world.  

    Sessions reminds me of Barry Goldwater whose days are long gone.  Palin reminds me of Ronald Reagan whose press attention was undeniable.  She'll be a player where it counts for the R party...in fundraising and GOTV for R candidates in close House and Senate races in '10.

    Well, what I "learned" (none / 0) (#51)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:28:01 PM EST
    from Frank Rich's column, in addition to much of what has been said here, is that Sarah Palin is not really going away as much as she is going for the gold.  But, then I learned that from a more reliable source, Levi Johnston. Rich, does, however, remind those who need such reminding that the  what and who Governor Palin represents is not going away, and the what and who is today's Republican party.  It is now death rattle party, where its core of "real Americans" is suffering cognitive dissonance in the face of loss--the loss of its oppressive position.  But death rattle it is all the same, still dangerous and not to be taken blithely.

    I'm not convinced it is death rattle time. (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 01:44:18 PM EST
    President Obama felt the need to assure the Pope Obama would try to reduce the number of abortions in the U.S.  

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    Agree. It's NOT (5.00 / 4) (#68)
    by oldpro on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:12:21 PM EST
    "death rattle time."  Not even close.

    Temporary setbacks while the Rs regroup and look for another GWB to elevate into nomination.  Meanwhile, what matters is the congress and those seats are up next year.  If Obama doesn't turn this economy around soon and the job numbers keep sinking, Rs will gain seat and Palin will help them do it.

    From the looks of things, the Dems may help them even more.  Governance matters...a lesson often lost on Democrats at the national level.  '94 isn't THAT long ago...

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    True, and Rich does point out (none / 0) (#70)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:14:50 PM EST
    that Nixon was resuscitated after the blunders of the Democrats. And, the abortion comment of Obama is of the kind that can pump air into the corpse.  On the other hand, I was buoyed by Obama's response to Benedict's gift of his first papal encyclical: 'Charity and Truth'. --"-thanks, I will read it on the plane".  Sort of like, Oh, I do  need a good airplane read, I am so over those Grisham books.  

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    Ride an elephant while free falling? A new ride? (none / 0) (#82)
    by joze46 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 02:43:00 PM EST
    Sometimes I watch Fox news for the flavor of total bias with Sean Hannity's arrogant positive attitude about Republicans. Things of special notice are the details of wild spending the Democrats do that are reported as foolish and nonsense. Perhaps some are but many of that stimulus money go to Republican Governors' that Hannity completely avoids to talk about.

    The funny thing for me is Frank Rich's story and that cartoon where Sarah Palin appears to ride an elephant while free falling? That is so funny; I am rolling on the floor here. Yikes, but for me the whole party owns the problem of just simple bad ideology. One wonders where the Republicans get there ideas for debate, however, the cartoon describes what is happening very accurately.

    As I said many times before Bush was never a conservative. For me the description of a conservative is straight forward. Not just being a party that opposes change, but loaded with talent in governance, honesty, transparency, and responsibility to have the courage to be accountable without being secret is the trick to spread freedom without warring.

    For me, Conservatism is a wide open action where an individual puts something back into the system. Examples are as ideas applied to legislation for needs of the electorate placed into law plus the use of money that can be saved while doing it is the even better.

    The ideal that the corporations are Conservative is a load of bull. Especially where legislation is in operations for the dynamics of a legal and open unregulated insured based risk taking system such as in the "Derivative Market" which is actually a secret money exchange, a legal tax payer loaded Ponzi scheme fund between the treasury, Federal Reserve, and other secret quasi government operations. All kept secret to cover up the torture or if you like out right murder, corruption, and especially political favors in business and foreign concerns.  

    A war that is not needed is not Conservative. No way, no how. Basically American blood can never be replace or put back into the system. That's why transparency is necessary for the Attorney General to move forward with investigations and indictments to clear up war crimes and find lost money likely in secret bank accounts.    

    The cartoon, I do believe, is a (none / 0) (#91)
    by oldpro on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 04:37:55 PM EST
    reference to a rather famous scene from a somewhat famous movie.

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    Fix the parameters on that 12,600 result search (none / 0) (#99)
    by CMike on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 06:05:02 PM EST
    This is a better link, especially for those unfamiliar with The Howler.

    What I find most hysterical (none / 0) (#104)
    by lilburro on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 09:52:10 PM EST
    about Rich's columns is his superficial use of statistics - he breaks down the socioeconomic status of the Palins, but does he support this characterization with numbers?  

    Most important, she stands for a genuine movement: a dwindling white nonurban America that is aflame with grievances and awash in self-pity as the country hurtles into the 21st century and leaves it behind.

    Rich anoints.  Until someone new comes along (who we could've seen coming) Sarah Palin represents X to Rich.  

    The use of statistics is laughable.  He's full of his own sh*t.  

    mr. rich is an idiot, has been (none / 0) (#105)
    by cpinva on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 10:06:49 PM EST
    for nearly two decades. anyone reading his columns should do so knowing they'll cause brain pain. he, and the clinically insane m. dowd, have spent the better part of the past 20 years inflicting their inanity on the public, and helping put g. bush in office.

    this column is classic rich, off the mark by a country mile and pretty much incoherent. mr. rich is "progressive" like the nytimes is "liberal", not.

    i'm sure the villagers will waste lots of column-inches on palin's reaction to the sotomayer confirmation hearings, it's what they do. it will fall to the jeralyns and BTD's to focus on such as mr. sessions.

    note: the cartoon was a reference to the slim pickens riding the nuke scene in "Dr. Strangelove". one of the best movies, and scenes, of all time.

    Rich is mostly right (none / 0) (#106)
    by Rashomon66 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 at 10:56:18 PM EST
    I have to say Rich is spot on here. I don't read that he is claiming that Palin invented the GOP Paranoid Style. He simply mentions that Fred Barnes [and his hyenas] are going after Sotomayor. And so they are.
    Anyway, Rich is correct in saying that Palin has tapped into the white GOP base. She has big time. Why else would her ratings actually go up after she makes resigns?
    They may have been in decline for years - but they still exist and they are exited by her. Look for her to be on the trail come 2012 - though probably not as a candidate. That is why he is writing about her. She is a major player in the GOP - even if that means nothing ultimately.
    True, Rich did trash the Clintons. But so did the right wing - and that is what he is saying. He is writing about them - not about himself.

    BTD wrote (none / 0) (#117)
    by weltec2 on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 05:32:11 PM EST
    "Sarah Palin has never commented on Judge Sotomayor."

    I'm guessing that that's probably because she doesn't know who Judge Sotomayor is.