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Sotomayor Hearing Live Blog

Senator Leahy went through all the supposed "tricky" parts (Ricci, "wise Latina", etc.) and Judge Sotomayor responded. All rather mundane to me. Perhaps the high points for the ridiculous Traditional Media.

Nothing of real interest on judicial philosophy so far.

More when something of interest happens.

Senator Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III will be questioning next. Will he continue his "Lost Cause" campaign? We'll see. Sessions starts off being a a**hole. Apparently the Civil War continues . . .

Even if you thought Sessions was carrying out a politically astute tactic, he really is rather bad at it.

I am not a fan of Sotomayor's speaking style, but certainly she sounds calm and collected and Sessions appears quite wild.

If there was anything interesting being discussed on substance, I would write about it. So far, it is all nonsensical.

The optics of this are incredible. Sessions is incredible.

My gawd, Sessions is really dumb. I know what he is trying to do but boy is he bad at it. He must have been a lousy trial judge. To thik that someone thought he could be on the federal bench.

Sessions really is letting his resentments show. He HATES that this Latino woman is going to the SCOTUS and he could not even make it to a federal trial bench.

The hate permeates.

Why the GOP picked Sessions for this is hard to understand. Heis lousy at it. The optics are horrible. His own history. He does not work.

So far, what is disappointing about the hearings is there is no real discussion of judicial philosophy and the role of the Supreme Court. This will sound strange, but it is a shame specter is not in a leading role here. He has been fierce in defending the perogatives of Congress and harshly critical of right wing judicial activism that disrespects the power of Congress.

These hearings are worse than the usual tripe.

Here comes Kohl with a great question about judicial activism in the area of antitrust law. I wrote about that many years ago at Daily Kos (the post actually was the excuse National Review gave for outing my identity when I blogged under a pseudonym.) Sotomayor dodges the question. FULL DISCLOSURE: I argued a case before the First Circuit on the very issue Kohl discussed.

Hatch's questions on incorporation and when a right is considered "fundamental" are quite appropriate and good ones.

Here is a partial transcript of this mornings hearing:

LEAHY>> Let me refer to that. Her opinion in the case left unresolved and reserved as a separate question whether the second amendment guarantee applies to the states and laws adopted by the states. Now the unanimous decision i know they agreed with the second circuit decision. We all know that not every constitutional right has been applied to the states by the supreme court. One of my first cases was whether the fifth amendment made the grand jury applicable to the state. The supreme court has not held that applicable to the state. 7Th amendment, right to jury trial. Eight amendment, prohibition against excessive fines. These have not been made applicable to the state. I'm not going to ask about that case before the supreme court. How you're going to rule. But would you have an open mind on the supreme court in valuing the legal proposition on whether second-amendment rights should be considered fundamental rights and thus applicable to the states.

SOTOMAYOR>> Like you I how important the right to bear arms is to many, many americans. One of my god children is a member of the nra. I have friends who hunt. I understand the individual right fully that the supreme court recognized. As you pointed out the supreme court was addressing a very narrow issue, which was whether an individual right under the second amendment applied to limit the federal government's rights to regulate the possession of firearms. The court expressly identified supreme court precedence has said that that right is not incorporated against the state. Ha that term of incorporation means in the law is that doesn't apply to the state in its regulation of its relationship with its citizens. It's a legal term. It's not talking about the importance of the right in the legal term. It's talking about incorporated against the state. When maloney came before the second circuit, as you indicated, myself and two other judges read what the supreme court said, saw that it had not explicitly rejected the precedence and followed the precedence. It's the job of the supreme court to change it. You asked me I'm sorry, senator. I didn't mean to cut you off. But you asked me whether I have an open find on that question. Absolutely. My decision on maloney would be to follow the precedence of the supreme court when it speaks totally on an issue. I would not prejudge any question that came before me if I was a justice on the supreme court.

LEAHY>> Let me -- I just asked senator sessions. I want to ask one more question. And it goes to the area of prosecution. You've heard appeals in over 800 criminal cases. Many convictions for terror cases. 99% Of the time at least one republican judge on the appointed panel agreed with you. Let me ask you about one. The united nations versus donald. The mayor of waterbury, connecticut. The victim the young daughter, niece of a prostitute. Young children who as young as 9 and 11 were forced to engage in sexual acts with the defendant. The mayor was convicted under a law passed by congress prohibiting the use of any facility or means of interstate commerce to transmit or contact information about person under 16 for the purpose of illegal sexual activity. You spoke for a unanimous panel including judge jacobs and judge hall. You upheld the conviction against the constitutional challenge that the federal criminal statute in question exceeded congress's power to the congress clause. I appreciate your deference to prohibit illegal conduct. Did you have any difficulty in reaching the conclusion that you did in the case?

SOTOMAYOR>> No, sir.

LEAHY>> Thank you. I'm glad you reached it. Senator sessions. And I appreciate senator sessions forebearance.

SESSIONS>> I hope we have a good day today. Look forward to dialogue with you. I got to say that I like your statement on the fidelity of the law yesterday and some of your comments this morning. Had you been saying that with clarity over the last decade or 15 years we would have fewer problems today. You have evidenced -- I think it's quite clear, a philosophy of the law that suggests a judge's backgrounds and experiences can and should and naturally will impact their decision, which I think goes against the american ideal and oath that a judge takes to be fair to every party and every day when they put on that road robe, that's a symbol to put aside their pempbs preferences. It's not just one senate. As my chairman suggested that caused the difficulty. It's a body of thought over a period of years that causes difficulty. And I would say the suggestion is not exactly wise. You said I think six different times, "i would hope that a wise latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion. So that's a matter I think we'll talk about as we go forward. Let me recall that yesterday you said it's simple but delicately to the law. The task of a judge is not to make law, it's to apply law. I heartedly agree with that. Previously you said the court of appeals is where policy is made. You said in another occasion the law that lawyers practice and judges declare is not a " law that many would like to think exists. So I'm asking today, what do you really believe on those subjects? That there is no real law? The court of appeals is where policy is made. Discuss that with us, please.

SOTOMAYOR>> I believe my record of 17 years demonstrates fully that i do believe that judges must apply the law and not make the law. Whether I've agreed with a party or not, found them sympathetic or not, in every case I have decided I have done what the law requires. With respect to judges making policy, I assume, senator, that you were referring to a comment I made in a duke law dialogue. That remark in content made very clear that I wasn't ing about the policy reflected in the law that congress makes. That's the job of congress to this decide what the policy should be for society. In that conversation with the student I was focusing on what district court judges do and circuit court judges do. I noticed that district court judges apply the facts to the individual case. When they do that they're findings doesn't bind anybody else. Appellate judges, however, establish precedence. They decide what the law says in a particular situation. That precedence has policy ramification. Because it binds not just the litigants in that case but all lit gats in similar cases and cases that may be influenced by the precedent. I think that it's very clear that I was talking about the policy ramifications of precedence. And never talking about appellate judges or courts making the policies that congress make.

SESSIONS>> I don't think it was that clear. I looked at that tape several times. Yesterday you spoke about your approach to rendering opinions and said I seek to strengthen the rule of law and faith and impartiality in the justice system. I would agree. But you have previously said this. I am willing to accept that we who judge must not differences resulting from experience and heritage, but attempt as the stream court suggests continuously to judge when those opinions, sympathies and prejudices are appropriate. So first I would like to know, do you think there's any circumstance in which a judge should allow their prejudices to impact their decision making?

SOTOMAYOR>> Never their prejudices. I was talking about the very important goal of the justice system is to ensure the biases of a judge. I was talking about the obligation of judges to examine what they're feeling as they're adjudicating a case and to sure that that's not influencing the outcome. Life experiences have to move you. We have to recognize those feelings and put them aside. That's what my speech was saying. That's our job.

SESSIONS>> But the statement was i willingly accept that we who judge must not deny the differences resulting from experience and heritage. But continually judge when those are appropriate. That's exactly opposite of what you're saying, is it not?

SOTOMAYOR>> I don't believe so, senator. All I was saying is because we have feelings and different experiences, we can be let to believe that our experiences are appropriate. We have to be open minded to accept that they may not be and that we have to judge always that we're not letting those things determine the outcome. There are situations in which some experiences are important in the process of judging because the law asks us to use those experiences.

SESSIONS>> I understand that you want to increase the faith and impartiality of the system. This statement suggest you accept that there may be sympathies, prejudices and opinions that legitimately can influence a judge's decision. How can that further faith in the impartiality of the system.

SOTOMAYOR>> I think the system is strengthened when judges don't assume they're impartial. But when judges test themselves to identify when their emotions are driving a result or their experiences are driving a result and the law is not.

SESSIONS>> I agree with that. I know one judge that says if he has a feeling about a case, he tells his law clerks to watch me. I do not want my biases, sympathies or prejudices to influence the decision which I've taken an oath to make sure is impartial. I'm very concern that had what you're saying today is quite inconsistent with your statement that you willingly accept that your prejudices may influence your decision making.

SOTOMAYOR>> Well -- as I have tried to explain, what I try to do is to ensure that they're not. If I ignore them and believe that I'm acting without them without looking at them and testing that I'm not then i could be led to do the thing i don't want to do, let something but the law command the results.

SESSIONS>> Yet today you always said that your decisions have always been made to serve the larger interest of impartial justice. A good aspiration, I agree. In the past you repeatedly said I wonder whether achieving the goal of impartiality is possible at all. In even most cases and I wonder whether by ignoring our differences as women, mean, people of color, we do a disservice to people of the society. Aren't you saying there that you expect your background and heritage to influence your decision making.

SOTOMAYOR>> What I was speaking about in that speech harkens back to what we were just talking about a few minutes ago. Which is life experiences do influence us. In good ways. That's why we seek the enrichment of our legal system from life experiences. That can affect what we see or how we feel, but that's not what drivers a result. The impartiality is an understanding that the law is what commands the result. Most of my speech was an academic discussion about what should we be thinking about, what should we be considering in the process in accepting that life experiences could make a difference? But I wasn't attempting to encourage the belief that i thought that that should drive the result.

SESSIONS>> Yuj, I'm -- I think it's consistent in the comments i quoted to you in your previous statements that you do believe that your background will affect the result of cases. That's troubling me. That's not impartiality. That is not consistent with the statement that you believe rour role is impartial.

SOTOMAYOR>> No, sir. As I've indicated my record shows that at no point or time have I ever permitted my personal views or sympathies to influence the outcome of the case. In every case where I have identified a sympathy, I have articulated it and explained to the litigants why the law requires the different result. I do not permit my sympathies, personal views or prejudices to influence the outcome of my cases.

SESSIONS>> Well, you said something similar to that yesterday. That in each kals I applied the law to facts at hand. But you repeatedly made this statement. I accept the proposition that a difference there will be by the presence of women and people of color on the bench and my experiences affect the facts i choose to see as a judge. That's troubling to me as a lawyer. When I present evidence I expect the judge to see and hear all the evidence. How is it appropriate for a judge to ever say they will choose to see some facts and not others?

SOTOMAYOR>> It's not a question of choosing to see some facts or anher, senator. I didn't intend to suggest that. What I believe the point I was making was that our life experiences do permit us to see some facts and understand them more easily than others. But in the end you're absolutely right. That's why we have appellate judges that are more than one judge. Each of us from our life experiences will more easily see different perspectives argued by party. But judges do consider all of the arguments of litigants. I have. Most of my opinions if not all of them explain to parties why the law requires what it does.

SESSIONS>> Do you standby your statement that my experiences affect the facts I choose to see.

SOTOMAYOR>> No, sir. I don't standby the understanding of that statement that I will ignore other facts or other experiences because i haven't had them. I do believe that life experiences are important to the process of judging. They help you to understand and listen. But that the law requires this.

SESSIONS>> You made that statement in individuals spefches about seven times over a number of years. And it's concerning to me. I would just say to you, i believe in the judge's formulation. She said, and you disagreed, and this was really the context of your speech. And you used her statement as sort of a beginning of your discussion. You said she believes that a judge no matter what their gender or background should strive to reach the same conclusion and she believes that's possible. You then argued that you don't think it's possible in all, maybe even most cases. You deal with the famous quote of justice o'connor in which a wise old man should reach the same decision as a wise old woman. You say you don't think that's necessarily accurate. And you doubt the able to be objective in your analysis. It may not be possible in all or most cases with your oath that you've taken twice which requires impartiality?

SOTOMAYOR>> My friend judge Cedarbaum is here this afternoon. We are good friends. I believe that we both approach judging in the same way, km is looking at the facts of each individual case and applying the law to those facts. I also as I explained was using a rhetorical. I know he couldn't have met if judges reach different legal conclusions that one of them wasn't wise. That couldn't have been her meaning because reasonable judges disagree. On legal conclusions in some cases. I was trying to play on her words. My play fell flat. It was bad. It left an impression that i believe that life experiences command a result in the case. That's clearly not what I do as a jung. It's clearly not what I intended in the contest of my broader speech. It was to believe that their life experiences added value.

SESSIONS>> Well, I can see that perhaps as a layperson approach to it. As a judge who took the oath that you repeatedly made statements that consistently argues that this ideal and commitment. I believe everybody judge is committed, must be, to put aside the personal experiences and biases and make sure that that person before them gets a fair day in court. So filts fi can impact your judging. It's much more likely to reach full flower if you sit on the supreme court than it will on a lower court where you're subject to review by your colleagues. So with regard to how you approach law and your personal experiences, let's look at the new haven firefighters cases. The city of new haven told firefighters they would take an examine, set forth the process to determine who would be eligible for promotion. The city spent a good deal of time and money on the examine to make it a fair test of a person's ability to serve as a supervisory fireman which in fact has the awesome responsibility at times to send their firemen into a dangerous building o on fire. They had a panel that did oral examines. Wasn't all written. And according to the supreme court, this is what the supreme court held. The new haven officials were careful to ensure broad racial participation in the design of the task and its administration. The process was open and fair. There was no genuine dispute that the examinations were job related and consistent with business necessity. But after the city saw the result of exam, it threw out those results because one group did well enough on the task. The supreme court then found that the city rejected the result because the high scoring candidates were white. After the tests were completed the raw racial results became the predominant rationale for the city's refusal to certify the results. So you've stated that your background affects the facts that you choose to see. Was the fact that the new haven firefighters were subject to discrimination. One of the facts you chose not to see in this case.

SOTOMAYOR>> No, sir. The panel was composed of me and two other judges in a very similar case. I'm sorry -- I misspoke. It wasn't judge easterbrook, they saw the case in an identical way. Neither judges -- I confuse ad statement. I apology. In a similar case the sixth circuit approached a very similar issue in the same way. So a variety of different judges on the appellate court were looking at the case in light of established supreme kurt and second circuit precedence. And determined that the city facing potential liability under title seven could choose not to certify the tests. The supreme court, as it is its prerogative in looking at a challenge, established a new consideration or a different standa for the city to apply. And that is with their substantial evidence that they would be held liable under the law. That was a new consideration. Our panel didn't look at that issue that way. It wasn't argued to us in the case before us. The case before us was based on existing precedence. It's a different test.

SESSIONS>> Judge, there was apparently unease within your panel. I was really disapointed and a lot of people have been that the opinion was so short. It did not discuss the serious legal issues that the case rose. And I believe that's legitimate criticism of what you did. It appears according to a writer for the national journal, it appears that the judge was concerned about the outcome of the case. Was not aware of it because it was an unpublished opinion. But it began to raise the question of whether a hearing should be granted. You say you're bound by the superior authorities. But the fact is when the question of rehearing that second circuit authority that you say covered the case, some says it didn't cover so clearly. That was up for debate. The circuit voted. And you voted not to reconsider the prior case. You voted to stay with the decision of the circuit. . In fact, your vote was the key vote. Had you voted for the judge himself a Puerto Rican, had you voted with him, you could have changed that case. In truth you weren't bound by the case. You must have agreed with it. And agreed with the opinion. And stayed with it until it was reversed by the court. Let me just mention this. In 1997 --

LEAHY>> was that a question?

SESSIONS>> Well, that was a response so some of what you said, mr. Chairman. You misrepresented fact chully what the -- the posture of the case.

LEAHY>> I obviously will disagree with that. But we'll have a chance to vote on the issue.

SESSIONS>> In 1997 when you became before the senate. I was a new senator. I asked you this. In a suit challenging a government racial preference will you follow the supreme court decision and subject racial preferences to the strictest judicial scrutiny? In other words, I asked you would you follow the supreme court's binding decision the supreme court held that all governmental organizations that discriminated by race of an applicant must face strict securityny in the court. This is not a light thing to do. When one raises favor over another, you must have a really good reason for it, or it's not accepted. The government agencies must prove there's a compelling state interest in support of any decision to treat people differently by race. It determines the same level of strict scrutiny applies for the purpose of evaluating the constitutionality of all government classifications. Whether at the state or federal level based on race. So that was your answer. It deals with the government being the city of new haven. In view of this commitment you gave me 12 years ago. Equal protection and strict scrutiny are completely missing from any of your panel's discussion on this decision.

SOTOMAYOR>> Because those cases were not what was at issue in this decision, and, in fact, those cases were not what decided the supreme court's decision. The supreme court parties were not arguing the level of skrurt des moines, iowa that would apply with respect to intentional discrimination. The issue is a different one before our court in the supreme court, which is what's a city to do when there is proof that its test districtly impacts a group. The supreme court decided not on the basis of scrutiny that what it did here was wrong, what the city did here was wrong, but on the basis that the city's choice was not based on a substantial basis in evidence to believe it would be held liable under the law. Those are two different standards. Two different questions. That a case would present.

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    Sessions goes on his racist campaign (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:06:37 AM EST
    If the Republicans were smart, they would let someone without a heavy southern accent handle this.

    She politely (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:09:48 AM EST
    is calling him a dumb-a$$.

    Parent
    Jefferson Beauregard Sessions (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by byteb on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:10:05 AM EST
    A true son of the old South.

    Parent
    The only good thing (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:13:37 AM EST
    about Sessions beating the "wise Latina" comment and "background influencing opinions" to death, it will look stupid when all the other Republicans try to do the same.

    He's basically calling her a liar (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:13:46 AM EST
    but the optics don't work for him.

    She should just ask him (none / 0) (#12)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:18:47 AM EST
    if he's even bothered to go over her record as carefully as he has her speech (that she has given on more than one occasion).

    Or better yet, if he's always so slow in the comprehension dept :p

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    I would love (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:20:10 AM EST
    for her to quote back something to him from his failed confirmation hearings.

    Parent
    Oh, that would be wicked fun (none / 0) (#16)
    by Cream City on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:22:33 AM EST
    and remind me not to meet you in a dark alley.  You're good.

    Parent
    Disagree with BTD (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:16:02 AM EST
    I think her speaking voice really works here.

    And for the benefit of J. Beauregard (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by Cream City on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:21:54 AM EST
    Sessions, she is speaking verrrry slooooowly. :-)

    Parent
    He really is a complete idiot (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by byteb on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:25:05 AM EST
    I extend my deepest sympathies to his former clients.

    Parent
    As Steven Colbert, son of SC, said on 60 minutes (none / 0) (#17)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:23:01 AM EST
    a few years ago, a southern accent connotes "stupid."

    Parent
    Oh, it doesn't have to do so (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Cream City on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:24:03 AM EST
    See Gregory Peck in To Kill a Mockingbird.

    Parent
    My fav movie. (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:26:43 AM EST
    Let's just say that it's a (none / 0) (#24)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:25:21 AM EST
    rebuttable presumption. For better or worse.

    Parent
    That's what I was thinking (none / 0) (#21)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:24:41 AM EST
    she has a heck of a lot more patience than I do, that's for sure.

    Parent
    Amen! (none / 0) (#29)
    by byteb on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:28:01 AM EST
    I'd like to throttle the silly fool.

    Parent
    I'd settle for a good ol' fashioned (none / 0) (#34)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:32:27 AM EST
    Smackdown.

    Argh! I can't believe this guy.

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    I like her willingness (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:28:05 AM EST
    to honestly and openly speak to him and address his "concerns".  I think he's going to look like terrible bedsheet at the end of the day.  I didn't get to see him in action yesterday.

    Parent
    it is completely surreal (5.00 / 4) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:23:47 AM EST
    for her to be lectured by Boreguard on the subject of prejudice.

     

    Sessions is just doing what politicians do (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by rdandrea on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:24:43 AM EST
    Repeating the talking points, without regard to the facts.

    And it will be effective with people who already believe what he does.

    People who have already formed their opinions aren't looking for facts, they are looking for affirmation.

    He's making his base feel better (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:26:08 AM EST
    so they won't be as pissed when she's confirmed by 65 votes.

    Parent
    We wouldn't want (none / 0) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:46:00 AM EST
    Alabama to lose her identity.

    Parent
    Sessions quotes Stu Taylor. . . (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:27:28 AM EST


    Uh oh, (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by vicndabx on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:27:39 AM EST
    Stuart Taylor, respected legal writer.....

    Now he attacks Pat Leahy (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:29:18 AM EST
    He's just a garden variety @ssh*ole. They behave this way in the House, traditionally.

    Does Sessions actually have a law degree? (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:31:19 AM EST


    Hard to believe, isn't it (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:37:11 AM EST
    I was just thinking the same thing.  He has the apparent reasoning ability -- not to mention language comprehension -- of a third-rate high school sophomore.  Sotomayor uses language in a fairly nuanced way, probably a mistake for judges in public speaking engagements.  As Sessions keeps going around and around and aroung on the same stuff, she's starting to speak to him more in words of one syllable.

    Parent
    Ah, but the question always is (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by Cream City on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:49:52 AM EST
    what were his grades?  His rank in his class?

    It's always amazing to me that most employers just accept the resume statement of a degree and don't ask for a transcript.  Then they're surprised that they've hired a C student who can't spell. . . .

    Parent

    Well, a really big employer, (1.00 / 0) (#121)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:31:19 PM EST
    the U.S. electorate,  accepted, just last fall, a job applicant for a major governmental position who would not make his undergraduate or law school grades available to them.

    Parent
    He's a past Alabama AG (none / 0) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:35:06 AM EST
    and you don't even want to know what jokes he cracked about the KKK.

    Parent
    Forget it Jake, it's Alabama (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:35:42 AM EST
    One of the most infamous jokes (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:38:59 AM EST
    he cracked was that the KKK wasn't that bad until he found out they smoked dope.

    Parent
    Funny... (none / 0) (#99)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:52:40 AM EST
    I thought they were all bad till I learned they like to light spliffs off those burning crosses...maybe all hope is not lost for Klansmen, they seek wisdom from King Solomon same as I do, the enlightenment bulb should be going off any minute now:)

    Parent
    I cannot believe you just made me (none / 0) (#104)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:58:56 AM EST
    laugh about this evil chit!  It does help to be able to laugh at the insanity of it all.

    Parent
    The whole orb... (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 11:01:48 AM EST
    is a tragic comedy...whether you focus on the tragedy or the comedy is totally up to you.

    Parent
    When it comes to being thrown in (none / 0) (#110)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 11:07:56 AM EST
    jail or beaten senseless and down for being a woman, I have to fight my fight or else they will eventually come up with enough justification to do it.

    Parent
    Some of my best friends (none / 0) (#114)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 11:49:35 AM EST
    are from the Deep South and don't fit your stereotype.  Let's not be as intolerant as those we criticize!

    Parent
    Give me a fricken break people (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 11:46:19 PM EST
    80% of whites voted McCain.....20% Obama..........give me a mothafricken break because I have to live here and you guys are enabling everything that is fubar and even dangerous to my family with this sort of talk. If I'm going to challenge the bitter internalized racism down here....yes, please be my friend and tell me how wrong and disrespectful I am ( they feed on chit like that down here like its chum)......enable the cross burners to pay me a Southern hospitality visit.  After all I have no friends other than my candyass liberal "friends".

    Parent
    I am agreeing (none / 0) (#145)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:59:14 PM EST
    with you

    Parent
    Good :) (none / 0) (#146)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:57:43 PM EST
    I clarified that all of the white South is not racist, only 80%.  The South has a horrible race problem deeply embedded now by a few hundred years of pride (and I don't get that part) and a history of white people owning black people.  We have to live with these guys.  They keep getting voted into positions of power too in the state I live in.  I can't look the other way cloaked in my defense that "I'm not one of those guys".  Those guys run this place, they are an important part of insuring we all never forget where the South came from and celebrating Robert E. Lee day.  How much actual hamburger is in a McDonalds hamburger before they can claim 100% ground beef?  Isn't it less than a 100%?  All serious dicussions about this problem though seem cluttered up with those upset because they aren't part of that South.  Okay......I gotcha....now what are we going to do about this 80% that is and is in charge of weaving the fabric of our very lives?

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    Just for the record as well (none / 0) (#147)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 04:08:08 PM EST
    when liberals call my husand a baby killer I don't get upset until they tell me that it doesn't matter what I say......he's a baby killer because he rooms baby killers.  Or if he really wasn't a baby killer then he would get out of the military.  I don't think any of us should leave the South. I think we need to recruit and immigrate em'in !!!!!!  Sweet 8lb baby Jesus, with all of these auto factories going in in the poverty wage based South I can almost taste a union too :)

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    I've always thought there's (none / 0) (#148)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 04:09:27 PM EST
    plenty of racism up here in the North; it's just more subtle.  Someday I'm going to write a research piece on the NYC boycott for integrated schools in the 1960s.

    And, does anyone remember school bussing, & Mayor Koch running out to Forest Hills, reconnecting with his NY accent, and railing against school bussing?

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    There's racism everywhere (none / 0) (#149)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 04:25:46 PM EST
    There's racism in Colorado, but if you talk chit about or to Latinos, or Native Americans, or AAs you are very limited to where you can hope to get elected to a job.  I was always a big mouth there too, but at least there people more often than not would scratch their heads and weigh out my words.  Our kids split up ethnically too beginning in Jr. High and on into H.S.  I don't know why, but suspect that it has something to do with that insecure social bonding thing most of us go through at that age.  As parents though when a lot of this stuff was going down we could get together and talk about it sanely.  If people went home and preached racism at the dinner table most of them weren't comfortable talking that crap in the PTA meeting.  It is more subtle.....it is much weaker. And it isn't smothering to a person who cannot even begin to stomach it like it feels here.  If I stand up in public and say I'm sick of this racist chit in Colorado about 1/3 will agree with me...1/3 will think I'm making too much of this or don't have a valid point....and a 1/3 will think more needs said about this or done about this.  I stand up and say something like that in Alabama though and 80% can't believe my repulsive yankee uppity woman who really desires to be a lesbian self.  And the other 20% wishes I wouldn't have opened my big fat mouth and lost my manners.  Feck.....

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    ROTFLMAO (none / 0) (#150)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 04:47:28 PM EST
    How much actual hamburger is in a McDonalds hamburger before they can claim 100% ground beef?  Isn't it less than a 100%?

    Brilliant way to back up your and BTD's accurate characterization of the deep south.

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    U of Alabama (none / 0) (#62)
    by eric on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:58:33 AM EST
    1973.  A lot has happened in Constitutional Law since then, and I doubt Alabama was on the cutting edge of at the time, either.

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    Yesterday we established (none / 0) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:01:46 AM EST
    that Alabama is dangling off the edge of time itself.

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    We used to have a (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Anne on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:34:09 AM EST
    dog named Beauregard; I think the dog was smarter.

    Listening to Sessions is making my teeth hurt - but listening to Sotomayor give Sessions a little continuing legal education is much more satisfying.

    If I could watch and work at the same time, I would use C-SPAN's 4-camera option and watch the committee view when Sotomayor is responding.

    Thanks for all the comments (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by CST on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:44:03 AM EST
    can't watch this at work.  I am torn between laughing and crying reading this stuff.

    I would like to see (5.00 / 0) (#66)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:01:03 AM EST
    cameras in the SC.  

    Not to steal BTD's thunder (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by lilburro on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:25:07 AM EST
    but if you are at work and unable to watch live, SCOTUSblog is also liveblogging.  

    Sessions is an idiot because he's an idiot (4.57 / 7) (#71)
    by kempis on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:08:10 AM EST
    ...not because he's a Southerner or an Alabamian.

    People who are attacking him for his identity are no better than those who attack Sotomayor for being Latina. Please knock it off.

    Bill Clinton is Southern. Morris Dees (attorney and hate group foe) is Southern--and from Alabama. Jimmy Carter is Southern. Mississipians Eudora Welty and William Faulkner are two of the greatest American writers. And Harper Lee and Truman Capote are Alabamians.

    Please think before you type.

    Thank you,

    A native Alabamian

    and me (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:09:53 AM EST
    so unless you want to hear what we think about yankees . . . .

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    We know what Southerners think about us... (none / 0) (#105)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:59:52 AM EST
    yankees and they're right...we're fast talking godless heathens and proud of it...got a f*ckin' problem with that tough guy:) (j/k)

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    There are folks in Alabama (5.00 / 0) (#101)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:57:34 AM EST
    who are not cut from the Session cloth.  I fully agree with that completely.  But come on......80% of the white voters in Alabama voted McCain in this past election.  We don't see that anywhere else except maybe Mississippi.  You and I are 20%, we are a severe minority.  Secondly, we don't do ourselves any favors by not pointing out the Southern hypocisy or the racism.  I'm simply not going to get all huffy when people point out what 80% of us stand for because I'm part of the 20%.  Living well isn't always about what YOU stand for, at times it is also about what YOU will condone or ignore.

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    Where do I say I ignore or condone anything? (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by kempis on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:22:07 PM EST
    I'm objecting to the stereotyping and to the dumb tactic of attacking someone for his identity (Southern, Latino, Italian, woman, man, working class, whatever) rather than his ideas.

    I said in the beginning that Sessions has plenty of idiotic ideas. And yes that particular brand of conservatism in the South--which I hate--has kept the South on the low end of every quality of life measurement possible. I hate it.

    But I also think it's stupid to mock Southerners for being Southerners. It's ironic. Sessions is being rightly eviscerated for being wary of Sotomayor because she's Latina. And yet people are pointing and laughing at Sessions for being Southern.

    Yes, there are pernicious ideas about race and class and gender in the South (and in the Midwest and Far West and just about everywhere else, though to a lesser degree than in the South.) But it makes more sense and is more productive to challenge the ideas, not the accents of those who hold them as though anyone with such an accent would hold those ideas.

    And I'll hush now rather than derail this thread. I just felt the need to speak up and did. I'm sure I changed no one's mind. But this thread isn't about my being insulted, so I'll back out now.

     

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    Ridiculous (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:26:48 PM EST
    A KKK sympathizer attacking someone for bigotry csn't be pointed out?

    You are another one of these Southerners that can not face up to what the South was and is. Yes there are problems everywhere on race, but they remain most acute in the South.

    there is no one like Sessions in the Congress from the North. No one.

    Deal with that fact.

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    Not going to stick around and be insulted. (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by kempis on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:30:36 PM EST
    I thought you were smarter than this.

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    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:34:30 PM EST
    So you leave with an attack do you?

    The South is what it is and did what it did. Live with it.

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    nah, I came back (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by kempis on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:43:07 PM EST
    You're being really dense about this, BTD. Why?

    You aren't stupid. Why are you confusing my objection to STEREOTYPING with support for Sessions and denial of the South's heritage of racism?

    Where have I said anything to support your accusations against my intelligence and my character?

    What is up with this?

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    Uh, Sessions fits the southern stereotype (3.50 / 2) (#125)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:47:42 PM EST
    and this is a response to my questions how? (none / 0) (#127)
    by kempis on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    You've got to be kidding me (2.00 / 1) (#128)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 01:02:43 PM EST
    Are *you*? (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by kempis on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 02:08:22 PM EST
    At this point we could go in circles. I could reiterate that stereotypes (which do contain truths but are generalizations nevertheless) are ineffective and even counter-productive arguments.

    You apparently think not.

    What would be the point?

    (And since somehow any criticism of arguing by stereotypes becomes translated into a defense of the odious racism and white privilege that Jeff Sessions reeks of, let me be clear: I am NOT defend Jeff Sessions. I am attacking stereotypes--for reasons I've given over and over.)

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    It is not a stereotype (none / 0) (#130)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 01:11:49 PM EST
    It is a reality. Most WHITE Southerners think like Sesions.

    that's the point and that's what you do not want to accept.

    You deny reality.

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    No I don't. :D (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by kempis on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 02:23:02 PM EST
    This is hilarious.

    I do NOT deny that MOST white Southerners are in agreement with Sessions. I do not defend it. It's baffling to me that you cannot see the distinction between criticizing argument(or joke)-by-stereotype
    and defending the attitudes and behaviors mocked in the stereotype.

    I DO deny that ALL white Southerners are in agreement with Sessions, are racists, are stupid. Which has been the presumption that a lot of commenters have made in their jokes about Southerners.

    A lot of the "humor" in this thread has targeted not Sessions, but Southerners in general. It's really beneath the commenters here.

    As I've said repeatedly: Sessions is an idiot. His ideas and assumptions are idiotic and embarrassing. They represent the ideas and assumptions of a LOT of Southerners (and white Americans in general) but making fun of his Southernness has exactly zero to do with his ideas.

    And we're going in circles here. You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm obviously failing to communicate it clearly and you somehow think I'm defending Sessions and denying the existence of white racism. All I mean to do is point out the flaw in arguing by stereotypes instead of ideas. But that ain't working, so I'll try to hush if people can resist accusing me of ignorance of Southern culture (which I've acknowledged is chock-full of white racism) and defense of Jeff Sessions (who I've said repeatedly is an idiot--for his ideas, not his region).

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    You deny what no one has asserted (3.50 / 2) (#133)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 02:25:37 PM EST
    What's your problem here?

    You do not like that I point out the South's sorry history and present? It offends you? Well, tough sh*t.

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    What??? (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by kempis on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 02:42:44 PM EST
    You do not like that I point out the South's sorry history and present? It offends you? Well, tough sh*t.

    No. You totally misunderstand what I've been posting.

    I have no objection at all to pointing out the South's "sorry history and present." How are you getting that from what I've written? The South's history and the racism that is part of Southern conservatism NEED to be pointed out.

    My objections have been to jokes about stupid and racist Southerners--as though ALL Southerners are stupid and racist. My objections have not been to YOUR posts at all but to comments posted by others.

    Is that what's got you in a tizzy? You think I've been accusing YOU of stereotyping? I haven't. Others on this thread have.

    Your personal attack on me is unfounded and bizarre. I have only criticized STEREOTYPING as a tactic.

     

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    And when I still lived in Colorado BTD (none / 0) (#141)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 11:38:48 PM EST
    And I had never experienced generational bigotry ingrained from the cradle, I would have thought you were a first class A$$ right now. But I live in Alabama and I can smell that smell.  I've had to smell it for five years now and it doesn't smell any better today than it did on day one of moving here.  I wish it did.  I really wish it did.  If there were a pony that I really wanted, it would be that one.

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    Back down from what? (none / 0) (#143)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 11:48:26 PM EST
    You define........I'll address it

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    And I've made mistakes in this life (none / 0) (#144)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:31:40 AM EST
    I can acknowledge them when I realize them and FIRMLY believe no life worth living happens to me without this ability no matter how much it could  pain me........I learn from my mistakes.  Some of the biggest mistakes I've ever made have come from "ingrained" principles that I thought would be "golden" until I was dust, and then I couldn't take into consideration my immediate surroundings and how heinously different from anything I'd ever known before that they were.  I spent about three years here in Enterprise AL trying to not see what was before my eyes.  My son was the first to speak of it clearly undoubting of himself, "Mom, why is my school so mean to the little boys who are black?"  I'm speaking from the heart, I don't see anger at this point to elementary age black females (if anyone is actually 100% male or female since I've done myself the grave inquisitive disservice of reading 'Middlesex'). The school in general isn't even aware that they do it, and I don't know why they only gun for male blacks at this point.  I'm speaking very clearly though from my soul, and a stupid person who goes in weekly sometimes to help students struggling with reading.  I can name names if you want.  One student's father was a military pilot and clearly saw the writing on the wall.  His son attended Joshua's bday party last year and this year his son goes to a private school.  Joshua knows why his classmate left though he can't get adult confirmation from anyone who really knows and is willing to admit.  Don't children always know the writing on the wall first though?  They are the most vulnerable.  My son's teacher this past year is wonderful, I wish she were my sister she is so strong and active and real and caring. She really does want the South to recover and she is born and bred here. I look at Christopher though.  He was nine this year and I'm not into athletics at all but it is hard to miss his face in the local paper.  He's the winning quarterback for little guy football two years running.  He has such a huge heart I can't believe what I feel off of him sometimes standing next to him at some silly school Valentine's party.  He chose to be my son's partner in a sack race this year and not because I know who he is on the inside from freak of nature connection. He did it because he is who he is and I've never seen my disabled son compete harder or do better in a  physical race with his peers than he did that day.  I look at Chris and I pray these bastards down here do not break something this fine and this precious in a man......and I haven't even got to the part yet about the color of his skin.  I'm from elsewhere.  I share none of this Southern tradition that smells so nasty to me and is so ingrained that the people suffering from it around me don't even know they suffer. Joshua was born in Colorado.  He has known no Southern traditions either....only struggling to live and the preciousness of everything that is precious.  If I've erred and you can show me what it is that I need to change and how it will better me and my community I will jump on that.  I always have.  That has always been very much who I am in this universe, instruct me please.  Footnote: I'm 44 years old this year and suffered over half a lifetime of lies to self as most of my peers have. It is the only wealth that most youth are endowed with. I personally find no redeeming qualities any longer in lying to self or attempting to live lies so that the boat is not rocked and we can pretend everything is wonderful in Tracy world.  My time in this world grows shorter.  I seek the quick of it where the blood flows.

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    Not what kempis said. (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 02:39:01 PM EST
    thank you, but I don't think anyone is receptive (none / 0) (#139)
    by kempis on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 02:47:08 PM EST
    to what I really said.

    Somehow, I am all about pretending that Sessions is not a racist and that the South does not have a race problem.

    (I fought with local racists in Birmingham for my health.)

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    the internets..... (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 03:18:50 PM EST
    people fly off on tangents all the time due to misperceptions, etc....

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    Absolutely (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 11:27:04 AM EST
    And how about:  Flannery O'Connor, Molly Ivins, Jim Hightower, Carson McCullers, Mark Twain?

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    Sorry dude (2.50 / 4) (#74)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:12:31 AM EST
    The South votes for dumb ass Republicans like Sessions.

    Not all Southerners are stupid, but most of them still believe in the White Man's Burden.

    I suggest you do some thinking about that before you type.

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    not a dude (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by kempis on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:42:54 AM EST
    And I think stereotyping is ignorant and needlessly offensive.

    There is plenty to attack in Sessions' ideas, not his accent or where he comes from. Mocking him for those things is insulting to ALL Southerners, including those who are on your side.

    I resent it as much as you resent negative stereotypes of Latinos.

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    Sorry dudette (4.00 / 3) (#112)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 11:14:54 AM EST
    But I can read election results.

    Can you?

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    Yes I can (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by kempis on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:08:34 PM EST
    I actually don't need for anyone to tell me about Southern conservatism. I'm a 54 year old liberal  lesbian from Alabama. I lived in that suffocating culture for 28 years until I couldn't bear it any more and moved north.

    But when people mock Southern accents, they mock me and they mock my mother and my aunts and my cousins--all of whom vote Democratic, by the way. I do not share Jeff Session's ideas. I have never voted Republican in my life. I am not a conservative. And I'm not stupid and neither is my family--well, most of 'em, anyway.

    Remember during the primaries how upset people were when Hillary voters were mocked by Obama supporters as hillbillies and rednecks? Remember discussions here about how counter-productive that kind of stereotyping is for the Democratic party? I do.

    I think that trashing Southern politicians because they are Southern takes away from the more productive (and accurate) critiques of their ideas.

    Sessions has said plenty of stupid things. I just think it's better to attack what he says rather than the accent with which he says it.

    But then I'm an ignorant Alabamian.

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    Apparently you DO need someone to tell you (3.50 / 2) (#119)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:28:36 PM EST
    about it.

    I mock KKK sympathizers decrying prejudice. That is a Southern thing now.

    Deal with the South's "heritage." IT is what it is.

    BTW, I grew up in rural Florida and had a Southern accent myself. So get over yourself and deal with the facts.

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    unbelievable.... (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by kempis on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:39:34 PM EST
    I mock KKK sympathizers decrying prejudice.

    So do I.

    That is a Southern thing now

    Not in my house it wasn't.

    And I know the heritage really well. I grew up in Birmingham in the 60s. And, I grew up gay in the South.

    I know that there are people like Jeff Sessions in the South--lots of them.

    All I'm saying is that mocking people for where they come from is not a logical or productive way of attacking him.

    Why that becomes some sort of support of Sessions or denial of the South's heritage is beyond me.

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    Not in your house (3.50 / 2) (#134)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 02:26:41 PM EST
    but in THE SOUTH.

    Deal with it.

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    my house was IN THE SOUTH (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by kempis on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 02:44:56 PM EST
    And stop being so rude.

    I'm not being rude to you.

    Jesus. Do you think stereotyping is NOT a logical fallacy?

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    I never thought I'd see the day... (none / 0) (#100)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:54:36 AM EST
    the pc police have issued a warrant for BTD!

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    Trying to figure out if there is something (none / 0) (#108)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 11:05:15 AM EST
    about a Gator fan and Alabama.

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    Well (none / 0) (#126)
    by lilburro on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:54:14 PM EST
    what do you call the person who votes for an idiot?

    Jeff Sessions received 63% of the vote in 2008.

    I don't think "southern accent = stupid" but a significant majority of Alabama finds this guy to be acceptable.

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    Not that it will matter. (none / 0) (#135)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 02:30:36 PM EST
    But I understood the distinction that you are making completely. And you are right, IMO.

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    She said "incorporated" (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:01:56 AM EST
    Take a drink!

    Bet you're not happy (none / 0) (#2)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:03:11 AM EST
    with her answers on the 2nd amendment...

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    She didn't say that she thinks (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:05:25 AM EST
    the right should be incorporated, and given who she is and where she's from, I doubt she would rule that it is.

    As for the Federal right. . .the Court said what it said, and I can't see her disagreeing with that in this situation.

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    Are you implying a female of Latin (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:37:59 AM EST
    heritage who was raised in the Bronx and lived in a housing project would be predisposed to favor gun control?  How dare you.

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    I wonder what she's writing while Sessions rambles (none / 0) (#4)
    by byteb on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:05:46 AM EST


    Probably something like this (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:30:39 AM EST
    I do not have to tell Sessions that he is a stupid racist when he does such a good job of proving it himself.

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    Mr. Bitter Betty (aka Sessions) (none / 0) (#11)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:17:43 AM EST
    sounds stupid.  I'm sure his base will love it.

    I gather that his base (none / 0) (#18)
    by Cream City on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:23:12 AM EST
    doesn't think that J. Beauregard has an accent.

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    Oh, I don't mind the accent (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:33:21 AM EST
    Nor do I automatically assume a Southern accent connotes stupidity (and let's face it, only a man with a Texas twang can pull off calling me "darlin'" - said from anyone with a coastal or Midwestern accent just sounds phony...but I digress).

    He sounds stupid because he sounds like he doesn't comprehend when she answers the same question (asked 19 different ways) the same way each time.  A lesser person (like, me, for example) would have lost it a while ago and screamed into the microphone - "Are you really that stupid that you don't understand what I'm saying, or are you just playing to your supporters and you're saying THEY'RE that stupid that they won't understand??"

    But, that's one reason my name is not on anyone's short list.  :)

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    Aside from my degree (5.00 / 0) (#41)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:36:26 AM EST
    I think I'm off the short list for the same reason, lol!~

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    It's very slight :) (none / 0) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:35:47 AM EST
    I get to watch today :) (none / 0) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:21:06 AM EST


    Sessions wants judicial activism in the 2nd cir! (none / 0) (#36)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:33:33 AM EST


    Fox anchor (none / 0) (#44)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:39:08 AM EST
    breaking in as Leahy starts to speak, characterizing his remarks as "an attempted rehabilitation."  Chris Wallace is terribly impressed with Sessions's questioning, wishes he could do it as well.  Heh.

    {headdesk} (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:41:11 AM EST
    Oy.

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    An attempted rehab of what? (none / 0) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:41:56 AM EST
    I'm missin the dog whistle again!  Hope I don't miss the train.

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    Of Sotomayor (none / 0) (#54)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:52:32 AM EST
    who is seen by the Fox anchor to have crashed and burned so horribly under Sessions's interrogation that it's completely obvious to all viewers that she needs "rehabilitation" by Leahy.

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    heh (none / 0) (#55)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:53:00 AM EST
    OMG (none / 0) (#58)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:56:29 AM EST
    okay....I'm trying to get it.

    Parent
    FOX really seems (none / 0) (#64)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:00:28 AM EST
    to get more insane with each passing day.  they know who their audience is.

    Parent
    Finally, Kohl asks about issues (none / 0) (#49)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:47:15 AM EST


    He's asking about kelo (none / 0) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:55:16 AM EST
    this is very very interesting.

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    And getting snippy (none / 0) (#57)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:56:27 AM EST
    Kohl, that is.

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    And I have privacy (none / 0) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:57:27 AM EST
    you creepy Christians trying to crawl into my uterus!  It's my uterus!

    Parent
    Roe is settled (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:57:47 AM EST
    yes, please explain n/t (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by lilburro on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:05:35 AM EST
    She said she believes (none / 0) (#67)
    by dk on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:01:39 AM EST
    that a woman's right to control her own body is guaranteed by the constitution?

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    She's pretty lovely on this issue! (none / 0) (#70)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:07:56 AM EST
    Thank you judge Sotomayor for the right to inhabit my body!

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    Any chance you could (none / 0) (#73)
    by dk on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:12:04 AM EST
    be more specific?  I can't watch at work.  :(

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    NYTimes (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by lilburro on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:19:11 AM EST
    liveblog:

    Abortion: Is Roe vs. Wade, the landmark case establishing a right to abortion in 1973? She pointed to the more recent Supreme Court decision, known as Casey, saying that affirmed the earlier ruling and cemented precedent. As for the underpinnings of Roe found in the Griswold case out of Connecticut, which firmed up a right to privacy, Judge Sotomayor said that constitutional rights to privacy could be found in several amendments.


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    And she flat out said that Roe (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:23:15 AM EST
    was "settled".  I think she said it twice in response to questions about privacy and Roe.

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    That's what I got (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:26:58 AM EST
    I took the questioning as "is it settled?", as making RvW a non-issue so to speak. Her view is that it is settled and has been affirmed.  

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    Affirmative Action (none / 0) (#50)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:48:41 AM EST
    Kohl was pretty to the point.

    "equality requires effort" (none / 0) (#51)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:49:08 AM EST
    Compelling state interest. . .narrowly tailored (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:50:57 AM EST
    IOW, strict scrutiny. But that's just what the Court has done recently, not what might happen soon. (I think there are now 5 votes to knock down all Federal affirmative action).

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    Ah, Griswold... (none / 0) (#59)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:56:37 AM EST


    She wouldn't answer (none / 0) (#63)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 09:58:38 AM EST
    She simply refused to answer? (none / 0) (#65)
    by dk on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:00:41 AM EST
    Se basically said (none / 0) (#75)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:16:23 AM EST
    "that's what the Court held" which is not an answer.

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    Yikes, (none / 0) (#76)
    by dk on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:17:42 AM EST
    that's troubling.  In a perfect world, I would hope that our liberal senators will promise to vote against her unless she provides an answer.

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    Well (none / 0) (#79)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:19:12 AM EST
    Kohl asked if Griswold was settled law and she said yes.  He didn't really pursue it further, because she wouldn't have answered anyway because a future case may come before her on the Court.

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    Yah, but the (none / 0) (#82)
    by dk on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:24:14 AM EST
    "future case" excuse is just that, an excuse.  It's not a satisfactory response, even though she certainly isn't the first person to use it.

    Nothing would stop her ethically from stating that Griswold, Roe, etc. were correctly decided.  Apparently she didn't say that.

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    Kohl didn't follow up because (none / 0) (#89)
    by Cream City on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:33:07 AM EST
    he's not a lawyer; he's a pro basketball team owner.  He's just reading the questions prepped by his staff.

    And yet, he has been on the Judiciary Committee for almost two decades.

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    Don't we have a female Senator or 2 with (none / 0) (#95)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:36:27 AM EST
    a law degree that could balance out the committee a bit?

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    Huh, I said the same thing 17 years ago (5.00 / 0) (#129)
    by Cream City on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 01:04:30 PM EST
    in the Anita Hill debacle.  The Senate is not much of a hopey-changey sort of place, is it?

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    I thought she also said (none / 0) (#77)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:18:53 AM EST
    it was "settled and affirmed"?

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    I may have missed something (none / 0) (#80)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:22:40 AM EST
    but I was not satisfied with her answer. I suspect we will not get a satisfactory answer.

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    Commentators think (none / 0) (#91)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:34:59 AM EST
    her answer was sufficiently clear to lose her Republican votes.

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    Perhaps (none / 0) (#93)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:35:39 AM EST
    But it wasn't good enough for me.

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    Perhaps, but if I were a (none / 0) (#94)
    by dk on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:36:02 AM EST
    liberal senator I wouldn't vote for her either unless she gave a more direct answer.

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    I hope some day ... (none / 0) (#85)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:27:05 AM EST
    soon we have a someone nominated to the Supreme Court who isn't a career judge.

    The Constitution doesn't require a SCOTUS justice to have been a judge.  In fact, it doesn't even require that they be a lawyer.

    Won't happen (none / 0) (#88)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:32:06 AM EST
    The law is so complex (and sometimes convoluted) that, IMO, there will never be a non-lawyer on the Court

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    Earl Warren (none / 0) (#116)
    by ColumbiaDuck on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:11:52 PM EST
    A great Chief Justice who had never been a judge.  (Although he had been a lawyer.)

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    Here comes Hatch (none / 0) (#86)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:27:49 AM EST
    yesterday's live blog made him sound almost as bad Sessions.

    What is settled? (none / 0) (#87)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:30:40 AM EST
    Pertaining to partial birth.....answer, Star Decisis

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    Wait a damn minute (5.00 / 0) (#90)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:34:20 AM EST
    Did anyone get to ask these pointed questions about specific rulings with Alito and Roberts?  Did we get any up or down answers?

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    The Republicans should have led with Hatch (none / 0) (#92)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:35:09 AM EST
    He's actually asking about law.

    Jeez, this is soporific (none / 0) (#98)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:51:49 AM EST


    Orrin Hatch (none / 0) (#102)
    by lilburro on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:57:35 AM EST
    wants you to know how he feels.

    wtf (5.00 / 0) (#103)
    by lilburro on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 10:58:40 AM EST
    why is he bringing up the Frank Ricci "smears"?  This is ridiculous.

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    I can't wait (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 11:06:01 AM EST
    until Ricci testifies. He's not a lawyer and not used to being grilled.  The Repubs will build him up like a god and the Dems will grind him down.

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    Is this really DiFi? (none / 0) (#107)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 11:04:34 AM EST
    Estrada had no judicial experience, this nominee has such experience, and he wouldn't answer questions.....buwahahahahahaha!  She doesn't know why Estrada keeps coming up.

    Dancing on the head of a pin (none / 0) (#111)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 11:08:08 AM EST
    re "health of a woman" and partial birth abortion case.