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Wednesday Afternoon Open Thread

Hillary Clinton is slated to give a "major speech" today. I have no idea what it is about or where it will be given. Just heard Andrea Mitchell say that.

The Tour de France has been uneventful the past 2 days. Big days in the Alps lie ahead.

President Obama seems to be putting his shoulder to the wheel on health care. Senator Dodd's Health Committee pushed out a bill with mandates (employer and individual). Max Baucus' committee has yet to be heard from.

While actual legal issues and judicial philosophy have not really been a part of the Sotmayor hearings, particularly with regard to the Ricci case, it is still worth noting the actual facts and law of that case. The National Women''s Law Center provides a good post on the matter.

This is an Open Thread.

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    first-time-buyers (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:41:06 PM EST
    extend beyond the young. Many who have been laid off and/or had to give up their employer HC because of costs will be first time buyers in the market. Even though there is help for COBRA folks right now, not everyone can afford it.

    Have you seen any dollar figures attached to what it will cost us? Because helping the cost 63% for the first year (or whatever) isn't really much help. Our incomes don't generally increase that much from year to year to be able to suddenly absorb the full cost when the subsidy runs out. In one year, the insurance market could look like the mortgage market if they aren't careful . . .

    The subsidy short fall ... (none / 0) (#17)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:46:07 PM EST
    could ruin this effort.

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    Many reasons to be older first-time buyer (none / 0) (#24)
    by hollyfromca on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:53:45 PM EST
    If your company files Chapter 7 there is no COBRA, divorce, death of spouse, older spouse who retires (if your insurance is through spouse).

    It will be interesting to see the cost and subsidy numbers.

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    Just heard McCain (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:45:45 PM EST
    state in relationship to health care that the deficit is the largest that America has ever experienced during peace time.

    I must have hearing problems because I could swear that the Republicans during Bush's administration cited the fact that we were at war as justification for everything that they did. Also, having a real problem with math since somehow I thought that the billions that we spent and continue to spend in Iraq was a major contributor to the current deficit.
     

    So, the solution would be for Obama (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:32:24 PM EST
    to keep his promise to get out of Iraq.

    As, yes, this is the largest deficit ever -- and, of course, not just because of the war in Iraq.  As ever, the rich have gotten richer, even under Dems.

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    SOFA (none / 0) (#77)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:18:02 PM EST
    In case you missed it late nov 2008 SOFA was signed between US and Iraq. So far it is on schedule. Troops are no longer allowed in major cities and have all withdrawn to US bases in Iraq:

    The Iraqi Parliament has passed a US-backed security agreement and a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA), which calls for the removal of all US troops from Iraq by December 31, 2011. The agreement also calls for the removal of US Forces from all Iraqi cities, towns, and villages no later than this June. Before this date, all US Forces must be relocated to US Military facilities located outside of Iraqi cities, towns, and villages, where they will continue to provide training to Iraqi security forces, and be available for support and assistance upon request from the Iraqi government.

    link

    More background here.


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    Didn't miss it. It's a step (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:21:09 PM EST
    but also read that WH admits we will have a huge number of troops there, including 'way too many National Guard, for a long time to come.  

    So it's not what was promised.  That's all.  Bye.

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    Got A Link? (none / 0) (#83)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:38:04 PM EST
    Or are you just referring to old news?

    This seems to be the current plan:

    The Obama Administration has decided to end combat operations in Iraq by August 31, 2010.  However, under President Obama's plan, about 50,000 American soldiers will remain under a modified mission until the end of 2011.  Some of the troops currently serving in Iraq will move to Afghanistan, where 57,000 American troops are now serving.

    link

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    Yes, and those costs weren't even counted. n/t. (none / 0) (#34)
    by sallywally on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:21:40 PM EST
    Gosh, if only this insurance plan gave (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by masslib on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:51:11 PM EST
    me any hope at all.  I feel like I'm living in a parallel universe or something.  As someone who already lives with this insurance scheme in MA, I know it's a fail. To see people on the Left rallying around is a bit deja vu and extremely depressing.

    This is the exact same plan? n/t (none / 0) (#36)
    by sallywally on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:22:35 PM EST
    Yes. (none / 0) (#62)
    by masslib on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:37:22 PM EST
    Yes.

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    170,000? (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:20:26 PM EST
    It might not be unreasonable for such a fuel-efficient vehicle, but anybody who could afford it is gonna prefer a Bentley, except maybe Daryl Hannah.

    That's a high price (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:32:19 PM EST
    but the fact that it is a death trap means that many owners will get to save on their long-term fuel costs.

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    And to think in a previous post just above (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:39:43 PM EST
    that I referred to myself as cynical. Wow, I got no game.

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    Whew! (none / 0) (#56)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:00:46 PM EST
    Man, you are on a roll today....

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    How many bicycles (none / 0) (#63)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:37:35 PM EST
    electric bikes, scooters and horses will $170,000 buy?

    I'm still miffed that my ten year old Saturn SL2 still gets better gas mileage than any of the current crop of Saturns, including their hybrid!

    1999 SL2        33 city  40 highway
    2009 VUE hybrid 25 city  32 highway

    Pathetic!  We have the technology so why don't we use it?

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    1987 Honda Civic HF 57 MPG (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:41:33 PM EST
    The 1987 Honda Civic HF got an estimated 57 MPG (51 under today's guidelines) - more than even the best hybrid averages today. A friend of mine had one and it was a great car.

    Why? We want bigger cars, and Honda (and other manufacturers) cannot find a market for smaller, more fuel-efficient cars.

    When the smallest car that most people are willing to drive is a 4 door Civic or Prius, with all of today's safety features, it's no wonder that gas mileage has suffered.

    From power everything to 12 airbags to enough trunk to haul around 10 bags of Cheetos, American's want bigger cars...



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    I'm convinced that as long as the propellant (none / 0) (#75)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:15:27 PM EST
    is reasonably priced and ample in supply, more economical vehicles are of little to no concern to us. Greenhouse effects?? global warming??? peak oil??? Eh, that's just that chicken little gobbledygook again.

    We Americans sort of have a tendency to ignore warning signs of impending problems until its too late. So, as far as economical cars go, we'll only change when we're forced to -- i.e. when the fuel costs eight bucks a gallon and the lines at the stations are like those during the oil embargo in the 70s.  

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    Oh man (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:43:35 PM EST
    I used to have one of those Saturns.  I think it was the final model year that they used the original body style.  Great car, I miss it.

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    That new Aston Martin wouldn't be too bad, K. (none / 0) (#35)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:22:26 PM EST
    Not a car person Easy D... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:28:00 PM EST
    point a to point b is my only concern, and the only ones that catch my eye on the road are the classics.

    Wouldn't mind one to sell though and roll the cash over into something of value...like another couple vacations:)

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    Blame it on my age, KD. (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:36:56 PM EST
    I passed the 55 year old milestone several days ago. I've never handled birthdays very well. So here I am, a cantankerous cynical old dude trying to maintain his youth by virtue of some darned automobile. Maybe you're right. more vacations are in order.

    Now I must go take a nap.  

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    Happy Birthday... (none / 0) (#51)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:47:06 PM EST
    you old goat:)

    And don't go by my reasoning of what has value...pursue your happiness wherever you may find it...I just happen to find it in experiences over material possesions.

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    Thanks for the happy birthday. (none / 0) (#54)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:58:52 PM EST
    I'll even let the old goat part pass, without comment.

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    I'm a NY'er brother... (none / 0) (#58)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:10:33 PM EST
    busting balls is a way to express admiration and friendship.

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    Somethings got to give... (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:30:55 PM EST
    I hear that...an affordable fuel efficient way to get around or our suburban way of life...hopefully the brainiacs come up with something before things get too ugly.

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    Hell yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 11:59:04 PM EST
    I just read that the DOD contractor reservist Maj who is challenging his deployment orders by saying that Obama isn't an American just got fired from his cushy military contractor job.  I don't care what kdog says, there is a God!

    Excerpts from Hillary's speech (none / 0) (#1)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:19:41 PM EST
    here

    Speech will be about foreign policy:

    On the foreign-policy challenges and President Obama:

    -- "...the international agenda today is unforgiving: two wars, conflict in the Middle East, ongoing threats of violent extremism and nuclear proliferation, global recession, climate change, hunger and disease, and a widening gap  between rich and poor. All of these challenges affect America's security and prosperity. And all threaten global stability and progress."

    -- "For President Obama and me, the question is not whether our nation can lead, but how it will lead in this new global context."

    -- "...we have the right strategy, the right priorities, the right policies. We have the right President. And we have the American people, diverse, committed, involved and open to the future."

    On the foreign-policy priorities:

    -- "reverse the spread of nuclear weapons, prevent their use, and build a world free of their threat;"
    -- "isolate and defeat terrorists and counter violent extremists while reaching out to Muslims around the world;"
    -- "encourage and facilitate the efforts of all parties to pursue a comprehensive peace in the Middle East;"
    -- "pursue global economic recovery and growth - by strengthening our own economy, advancing a robust development agenda, expanding trade that is free and fair, and boosting investment that creates decent jobs;"
    -- "combat climate change, increase energy security, and lay the foundation for a prosperous clean-energy future;"
    -- "support and encourage democratic governments that protect the rights of and deliver results for their people;"
    -- "and stand up for human rights everywhere."

    On "smart power":

    -- "Not everybody in the world wishes us well or shares our values  and interests. Some will seek to undermine our efforts. In those cases, our partnerships will help constrain or deter their actions. And to these foes and would-be foes, let me say: You should know that our focus on diplomacy and development is not an alternative to our national security arsenal. You should never see America's willingness to talk as a sign of weakness to be exploited. We will not hesitate to defend our friends and ourselves vigorously when necessary with the world's strongest military. This is not an option we seek. Nor is it a threat; it is a promise to the American people."

    -- "...smart power counsels that we lead with diplomacy, even in the case of adversaries or nations with whom we disagree. We cannot be afraid or unwilling to engage. Yet some suggest that this is a sign of weakness or naiveté - or acquiescence to these countries' repression of their own people. That is wrong. The President and I believe that refusing to talk to countries rarely punishes them. And as long as engagement might advance our interests and our values, it is unwise to take it off the table."

    On Iran:

    -- "We watched the energy of Iran's election with great admiration, only to be appalled by the manner in which the government used violence to quell the voices of the Iranian people, then tried to hide its actions by arresting foreign nationals, expelling journalists, and cutting off access to technology. As we ... have made clear, these actions are deplorable and unacceptable... Neither the president nor I have any illusions that direct dialogue with the Islamic Republic will guarantee success. But we also understand the importance of trying to engage Iran and offering its leaders a clear choice: whether to join the international community as a responsible member or to continue down a path to further isolation."



    Why the emphasis by the Pres. (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:22:07 PM EST
    on the care provided by nurses?  Is that the plan?

    Because it made him ... (none / 0) (#10)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:39:34 PM EST
    look like Derek Flint.

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    Ha. Wiki plot summary is extremely (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:43:36 PM EST
    amusing.  Sorry I missed the movie.

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    There are two of them ... (none / 0) (#20)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:48:20 PM EST
    both very entertaining.  And available on DVD in a nifty two-pack.

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    Clinton's Speech Preview (none / 0) (#3)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:22:49 PM EST
    Clinton is giving a speech this afternoon before the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington, D.C.

    According to excerpts of her prepared remarks that were shared with Foreign Policy, Clinton plans to say that "the international agenda today is unforgiving," with the United States facing "two wars, conflict in the Middle East, ongoing threats of violent extremism and nuclear proliferation, global recession, climate change, hunger and disease, and a widening gap  between rich and poor."

    "All of these challenges affect America's security and prosperity," the excerpts say. "And all threaten global stability and progress."

    But a key theme of Clinton's speech appears to be defending the administration's pursuit of negotiations with Iran over its nuclear program, despite widespread international outrage over the Iranian regime's violent crackdown on demonstrators protesting against alleged vote-rigging in the June 14 presidential election.

    Laura Rozen


    I was hoping (none / 0) (#5)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:26:59 PM EST
    that it would be a speech on the topic of the White House's onerous vetting requirements for federal applicants.  She sure seemed fired up about that!

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    Ha. Bad bad bad in light of resign. (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:34:24 PM EST
    of new auto czar.  

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    The transcript to Sec Clinton's speech (none / 0) (#93)
    by weltec2 on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 06:21:20 PM EST
    can be found here and the Q&A here.

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#95)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 06:56:32 PM EST
    Good speech, Smart Power...  I guess that is what happened in Honduras, lol. Lanny Davis is now working for the coup leaders.

    Also she wouldn't touch the settlement question. Too bad we caved on that issue. The US looked refreshingly tough toward Israel for a short time..

    All in all it is nice to see the big change in Washington and I do believe that we are going to regain some of our good will in the world even though there will be the requisite amount of BS shoveled out on a regular basis.

    I still think it's hard to justify not having our full government in place six months after we started. That's something that we've got to do something about, I think. (Applause.) I mean, we are trying to get our political leaders in place to work with our very dedicated Foreign Service and Civil Service employees, but we're still not there yet. And I had no idea when I was in the Senate asking a million questions of every nominee - (laughter) - how really shortsighted that was. (Laughter.)

    This was also right on. Right now it appears that we are a hybrid government with vestigial BushCo tentacles bogging us down.


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    On Clinton's Speech and the Tour (none / 0) (#4)
    by The Maven on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:24:09 PM EST
    Based on the reports so far, Secretary Clinton's speech (to be delivered at the Council on Foreign Relations) is to be on the power of diplomacy, with a caution to Iran that their window for engagement is, however, limited.

    An excerpt from the prepared remarks:

    "Smart power counsels that we lead with diplomacy, even in the case of nations with whom we disagree. We cannot be afraid or unwilling to engage. Yet some suggest that this is a sign of weakness or naiveté -- or acquiescence to these countries' repression of their own people. That is wrong. The president and I believe that refusing to talk to countries rarely punishes them. And as long as engagement might advance our interests and our values, it is unwise to take it off the table.

    "Negotiations can provide insight into regimes' calculations and the possibility -- even if it seems remote -- that a regime will, eventually, alter its behavior in exchange for the benefits of acceptance into the international community.

    "We know very well what we inherited with Iran. We know how far its nuclear program has advanced -- and we know that refusing to deal with the Islamic Republic has not succeeded in altering the Iranian march toward a nuclear weapon, reducing Iranian support for terror, or improving Iran's treatment of its citizens. Neither the president nor I have any illusions that direct dialogue with the Islamic Republic will guarantee success. But we also understand the importance of trying to engage Iran and offering its leaders a clear choice: whether to join the international community as a responsible member or to continue down a path to further isolation.

    "Direct talks provide the best vehicle for presenting and explaining that choice. . . . Iran can become a constructive actor in the region if it stops threatening its neighbors and supporting terrorism. It can assume a responsible position in the international community if it fulfills its obligations on human rights. The choice is clear. We remain ready to engage with Iran, but the time for action is now. The opportunity will not remain indefinitely."

    And while there isn't too much of great consequence going on with the TdF the past couple of days, watching the cyclists course through the countryside in the center of France has been a relaxing tonic to all the posturing in DC.

    She forgot North Korea. (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:54:42 PM EST
    GE (et al) Bring Good Things To Life (none / 0) (#6)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:29:09 PM EST
    Wonderful: your most horrible military-death-cyborg-synergy dreams come true.

    A Maryland company under contract with the Pentagon is developing a robot that can burn organic material and use collected debris as fuel -- including, but not limited to, things like sticks, grass, debris -- and dead bodies.

    Raw Story

    Soylent Gasoline is made of...!!! n/t (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by lilburro on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:57:09 PM EST
    The Flux Capacitor! (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by steviez314 on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:15:40 PM EST
    With 1.21 Jigawatts of power!!

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    How about we develop... (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:02:28 PM EST
    a car that runs on debris, why a death machine?  Don't we have enough ways to snuff people?

    Not to mention that about all we've got left to give war-mongers pause is the human cost, or at least the American human cost...once grunts are replaced by robots we'll invade and occupy like rabbits screw.

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    They can have (none / 0) (#49)
    by CST on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:40:42 PM EST
    my body when I croak.  Minus the vital organs of course.  I always hoped I'd leave something usefull behind :)

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    We do... (none / 0) (#52)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:48:26 PM EST
    leave something useful behind...food for worms and soil enrichment...nature can have me, not Robocop.