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    Um....yikes! (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 09:38:16 AM EST
    What a goof! Get a pocket dog! (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 09:51:22 AM EST
    Florida is really having a Burmese Python problem now.  It is a big mess and the Python could spread into Alabama.  Many Floridians wanted them  killed, the debate began a few years back, but other more peaceful solutions were sought first such as capturing them and putting them all in a refuge.  There are too many though and they are hunting and killing people's cats, dogs, raccoons, water fowl, anything they can get wrapped around.  A toddler was killed by a pet Python that had escaped in its home and that seemed to be the end of peaceful solutions.  They are hunting them now.

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    I just googled the toddler story. (none / 0) (#155)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    Horrific.

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    is that a snake (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:11:21 AM EST
    in your pocket?
    or are you just glad to see me?

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    Spouse had duty last night (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 09:39:34 AM EST
    So we are walking quietly around the house this morning.  School starts here in about two weeks so we'll be school shopping today.

    I love school shopping! (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 09:43:09 AM EST
    Wish I could still go do it.  (Dating myself here) but I loved getting new pencils, crayons, a new pencil box, new erasers, ruler - all kinds of stuff.

    Even in college, I liked going to get my books (even though I hated paying for them).

    To this day, I walk into a Staples or Barnes & Noble and I feel like I've died and gone to heaven.

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    It is a lot of fun (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 09:57:57 AM EST
    Bodies have grown, you have to see who looks good in what new clothes now.  Josh got a brand new pack yesterday.  The priciest one he has ever owned....it has cool factor.  He has to get a pack with rollers.  I'm sure that with all the titanium in his back he can take on a standard backpack but it really throws his coordination off.  And now Crayola makes these self sharpening twist crayons.  No more peeling and snapping crayons.  I got some watercolor pencils for myself.  Who could resist that?  You can draw with them, then add a splash of water and get two mediums.  A good pencil box or such system is a must for Joshua too to keep all his "stuff" together.  We still haven't discovered a good working one of those yet.

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    And, I bet (none / 0) (#153)
    by NYShooter on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 12:38:34 PM EST
    in college, you graduated to the Crayola 48's.

    lol

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    Anyone know where to shop for (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 09:46:59 AM EST
    model airplane kits for 11 and 9-year old boys?  Air and Space Museum store had a model kit for Wright bros. plane but it was $45.  Volunteer at the counter agreed with my saying the day of model airplane kits may have come and gone.  He sd., almost. The boys I was with had never heard of such a thing.

    You might also try ebay (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:02:52 AM EST
    People collect models, never put them together, and then realize they are buried in boxes of models.

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    this store is decent (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Dadler on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:16:17 AM EST
    got a bunch of balsa wood there for a glider i built (or tried to build, lol) with my son a few months ago.  they had a aisle overflowing with model kits. can't be as expensive as the balboa park museum.

    Hobby Central

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    Thanks. I see a field trip in our future. (none / 0) (#99)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:45:32 AM EST
    no problem & here you go (none / 0) (#181)
    by Dadler on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 03:31:46 PM EST
    wright bros. model -- they at least sell it online, don't know if they stock it in store.  but it ain't 45 bones.

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    I don't usually spring for stuff for (none / 0) (#182)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 03:48:29 PM EST
    these boys at the museum stores.  Appealed to my nostalgic side I guess.  Can't wait to see them at this place.  Should be fun.

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    Internet (none / 0) (#8)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 09:52:02 AM EST
    It's my resource for where to buy...and often I end up buying online. We have wonderful model trains and planes stores around here, but I'm sure that's out of your way :)

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    Sometimes my spouse (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:01:57 AM EST
    gets a model for himself and Joshua.  Knowing what airframe you want first seems to help and then hitting the internet.

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    What is an "airframe"? (none / 0) (#44)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:09:42 AM EST
    Sorry (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:12:46 AM EST
    The type of plane you want to build.  If you know what you want to build...biplane or a B-52, it makes narrowing down a good deal easier it seems.  Many of the internet sites that sell models seem to have a large price difference that can exist for the same model.

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    Thanks. Next question: what (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:02:29 AM EST
    is the probability the boys, whose household includes a very curious two-year old, will actually complete the building of the model airplanes?

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    Not high, but (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:16:27 AM EST
    they'll enjoy messing around with it.  And if it's too fussy and boring to finish right, as i found with kits for similar stuff as a kid, they won't be clamoring for another one.  One of those minor life-learning things.

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    Good point. Thanks. My mission (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:38:01 AM EST
    is to expand their horizons a bit.  

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    With adult supervision (none / 0) (#36)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:07:07 AM EST
    & participation - high.  On their own, it would totally depend on their motivation.  It's a tedious, finicky process especially if you paint them.

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    And (none / 0) (#43)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:08:56 AM EST
    if hte model uses glue - an adult will have to show ID to purchase in most places, since they don't want kids buying it to "huff".

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    Nanny state... (none / 0) (#53)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:13:23 AM EST
    at it again...god are we lame.  The last time I got carded wasn't for cigs or booze, it was for spray-paint.  

    I guess it could be wrose, still no "papers please, give me your papers!!!" to buy white-out...yet.

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    Oh Kdog, it is only a (none / 0) (#69)
    by vml68 on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:18:49 AM EST
    Thats stimulus allright... (none / 0) (#79)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:27:35 AM EST
    tyranny stimulus...I guess the stupid arrest debate is over, we love stupid arrests and we want more of it!

    Sun god help us.

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    Good news though.... (none / 0) (#163)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 01:31:00 PM EST
    NYC and Long Island ain't getting d*ck out of that money according to todays papers...thats a relief.

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    Hate to Break it to Ya Kdog (none / 0) (#166)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 01:38:07 PM EST
    But that was reversed the next day, NYC is getting $35 million, enough to hire 120 new cops.

    On Wednesday, Janet Napolitano, secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, is scheduled to announce that the city will receive about $35 million in federal stimulus money that it can use to hire police officers.
    The money would come through the department's transit security grant program, which is distributing about $150 million in stimulus funds. But the New York Police Department would use it to hire about 120 recruits.

    NYT


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    Doh!! (none / 0) (#168)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 01:51:47 PM EST
    Oh well, back to the drawing board...I guess the NYPD is one beast that will not be starved.  If Peter says no, they go hit up Paul.

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    Take heart (none / 0) (#172)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 02:16:32 PM EST
    The cops are angry again at Obama - and other places like Seattle and Pittsburgh and Houston (and 6000 other municipalities) aren't getting any COPS money, but Telluride and Vail are getting one more police officer each.

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    Brooklyn Ohio... (none / 0) (#175)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 02:33:06 PM EST
    is getting two new cops...who new the rich and famous played there?...:)

    If this is a stimulus program, I wish they'd just cut 'em a welfare check, hold the badge and gun...or better yet give 'em a broom to clean a park or something...anything but a gun and badge....its one of the few things we don't need more of.

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    Wouldn't Be Surprised (none / 0) (#176)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 02:41:44 PM EST
    If a chunk of the NYC money goes to retirement, which is extremely expensive in NYC. NYPD retirees get a life salary based on the last year salary, including overtime. Many get to play the system and do quadruple overtime in the last year, and rack in over $150,000 annual for life upon retirement.  

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    If you want "vintage" kits. (none / 0) (#28)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:05:13 AM EST
    I can ask my husband to give some of his up.  He's had them for something like twenty years now.  

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    Probably going to assemble when he (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:08:30 AM EST
    retires, no?

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    They'll tell you that ;) (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:15:01 AM EST
    A long time ago my step brother helped me build a model car and the engine also required some assembly.  I learned things I would have never learned in this womanly lifetime by learning how to put that together with him.

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    Oh, yes. (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:21:27 AM EST
    That's the story.

    Better than some rusty car that he's planning on turning into a vintage roadster! ;)

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    Dear Latte Sippers. (5.00 / 5) (#7)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 09:51:41 AM EST
    We are in possession of your precious cool, damp weather.  We will return this to you upon your meeting the following conditions:

    1. The immediate withdrawal of all Starbuck franchises;

    2. The instillation of at least 15 Ivar's; and

    3. Remittance of the exact sum of 15 quadtrillion unmarked, unsequential Euros.

    Yours truly,
    The Rocky Mountain Empire

    RE # 2 ....keep clam. n/t (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by oldpro on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 09:55:19 AM EST
    On demand #1, I believe you will (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 09:56:16 AM EST
    see the beginning of withdrawal in the not too distant future.

    Do not, however, be fooled. If you see a sudden appearance of 15th Ave Cafe's (or something like that), that's Starbucks new disguise. They do have the tagline "inspired by Starbucks"...truth is, they ARE Starbucks.

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    we also have (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:00:31 AM EST
    some of your cool damp weather in central IL.
    but we would be willing to swap it for one boxcar load of Seattle bud

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    I'll take a year's supply (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:08:35 AM EST
    of Stone Brewery assorted brews.

    Raining today.  Currently about 70F.  All we need are banana slugs!

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    related? (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:14:37 AM EST
    A fungus that caused the infamous 1840s Irish potato famine has hit this summer's commercial and homegrown tomato crop in 13 states, putting farmers and agricultural experts on edge.

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    Slightly related (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:50:20 AM EST
    This blight (officially called "late blight") isn't caused by this kind of weather, but the weather allows it to spread faster and farther than it would in dry sunny weather.

    What caused this huge outbreak in the NE, which rarely gets this particular blight, is that a single large-scale commercial grower in Alabama that sends shipments of tomato plants to supermarkets and big-box stores like Wal-Mart and Home Depot, send out a massive shipment of infected plants this year.

    Since the fungus spores that cause this can spread miles on the wind, it's now all over the place.  The weather makes a more hospitable environment for the spores to take hold and grow once they land, so in that sense, the weather is a factor in how far and how rapidly this has spread so early in the season.  But we would have had a big problem even in normal summer weather.

    There's another, less virulent blight (called "early blight") that is common in the NE, and it also is helped along by the weather.  It takes over the plants much more slowly (the really bad blight kills them in less than a week), but in this weather showed up earlier and is moving along faster.  I'm battling it in my own plants.  It's a race to see whether you can keep it at bay long enough for the fruit, at least some of it, to ripen.

    My plants were totally wiped out by it last year, but not until more than half of the crop had ripened, so it wasn't a total loss.  I'm smarter about dealing with it this year, but it's started up much earlier because of the weather.  The weather also delays ripening, so it's a double whammy.

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    So I should be thankful (none / 0) (#133)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:17:24 AM EST
    that I grew my plants from seed and that my fellow suburbanites would never sully their landscapes with <gasp!> vegetables?

    Sounds good to me.

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    Gives you better odds, for sure (none / 0) (#149)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 12:12:05 PM EST
    But you aren't totally safe because the spores can blow in from miles away.  Keep a close eye on tomatoes and potatoes, if you grow them, and go check one of the many Web sites that discuss tomato blight, like this superb one, if you notice any yellowing or brown-spotted leaves or stems (usually starts from the bottom on the older parts of the plant).

    IOW, know your enemy!

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    I'd say that I'm safer than most (none / 0) (#158)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 01:08:36 PM EST
    although it's hard to be completely safe from anything.

    Thanks for the link!

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    I thought you were going to (none / 0) (#70)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:18:49 AM EST
    talk about the hop crop failure that is driving the cost of my favorite brews up!

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    Ditto for New England! (5.00 / 3) (#71)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:19:10 AM EST
    If I'd wanted to live in the NW, I'd have moved there!

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    Instill those Ivars clams (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:44:16 AM EST
    right into my tummy, please.

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    Starbucks will get out of Manhattan... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:01:48 AM EST
    or the Rockies when we get out of Iraq...the day they go busto and not a day sooner.

    Just hope when that day comes Uncle Sam doesn't deem their lattes "too tall to fail".

    PS...can you keep your Rockies in town for another series or two...its the only team my boys can beat:)

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    hey (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:05:49 AM EST
    found a bank made for you.

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    This is great: (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:15:43 AM EST
    The Money Bank Mattress is a mattress shaped money bank!



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    Thats my bank alright... (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:18:35 AM EST
    not only am I the president, I'm also a client:)

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    I know, right. (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:09:45 AM EST
    First that heartbreaking grand salami and then a shut-out?  Not a good start to an extended roadtrip.  Apparently the big city is a little overwhelming for our Boys of Summer.  It's like we've turned into the Padres or something...

     

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    That day seems possible (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:24:22 AM EST
    This is their 3rd big idea to save themselves (the coffee, tea, beer & wine cafes). First two ideas didn't help one bit. I forget what the 1st effort was, but #2 was their instant coffee...ever heard of it? Few have. We just get all the news on them because they are "ours".

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    Are they using Krispy Kremes (none / 0) (#110)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:50:31 AM EST
    as a business model?

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    I am taking 11 and 9-year old boys (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:05:35 AM EST
    to Mets game here but I didn't promise we can beat them.  Look at recent Pads/Nationals series.  Fireworks after the game though.

    Yesterday I paused along time in front of the video of '98 Padres at the Hall of Champions.  Blessed sight. No reference to steroids.

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    BTW... (none / 0) (#161)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 01:23:36 PM EST
    ...how about that Omar Minaya, eh?

    Maybe he should get one of those one-way tickets out of town y'all are giving to the homeless.

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    The dude is cracking... (none / 0) (#165)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 01:37:34 PM EST
    I really don't know what to make of it...except the problems start with the Wilpons, and it is damn embarassing.

    But at least we got rid of that incompetent psycho Bernazard.

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    Meanwhile... (none / 0) (#178)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 03:03:23 PM EST
    ...the Phillies get stronger.

    The Phillies are not getting Roy Halladay. But the pitcher they are getting just happens to be the reigning American League Cy Young award winner.

    The Phillies have reached agreement on a trade that would bring them left-hander Cliff Lee and outfielder Ben Francisco from the Indians for Class A right-hander Jason Knapp, Class AAA right-hander Carlos Carrasco, shortstop Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson, according to major-league sources.



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    Bye, bye public option (5.00 / 7) (#22)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:02:29 AM EST
    The government-run insurance option that is meant to compete with private insurers "is losing important political momentum" as Congress debates health care reform.
    Senate and House Democratic leaders yesterday "wouldn't guarantee...that the 'public option' would be in the final version of the legislation." Democrats are not ruling out the alternative, co-ops, "member-run health care consortiums comparable to credit unions." Think Progress

    Single Payer is off the table
    A real robust public option is off the table
    Now it looks like even the sh1tty no impact public option is off the table.

    Things still on the table:
    Cuts to Medicare to help pay for this trillion dollar give away to the health insurance industry.
    Mandates to purchase insurance to increase insurance industry profits.


    I wouldn't be quite (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by brodie on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:21:21 AM EST
    that pessimistic about the public option, but it does seem that we're somewhere in the 3d qtr and our team is down by 10 points.

    Not the ideal situation to be in, but still time to mount a comeback.  I'm just not sure, however, how smart our head coach is, nor his assistants, nor how skilled our QB and key players are.  Sometimes I get the impression that Reid, being the non-confrontational, eager to make nice non-partisan type, is out there happily telling the other team what play he intends to run.

    Meanwhile, speaking of Medicare, it was 44 years ago about this time of year -- July 28, 1965 -- that it passed Congress and was then signed into law at the famous ceremony with Johnson and Truman (July 30).

    Overall, however, the conditions for major reform are less favorable today than back then.  Still, it's doable, and expectations among many in the public remain high for reform.  

     

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    Reality, however, (5.00 / 3) (#77)
    by dk on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:25:47 AM EST
    is that the only possible law that would include a "public" option doesn't actually have a public option, since at most only 9 million people would ever have access to it, as there would be a firewall against the rest of Americans having access to it, and therefore it would not reduce costs and would ultimately be doomed to fail anyway.

    Optimism is all well and good, but it is no excuse to ignore the facts on the ground.

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    Well, I've got our side down (5.00 / 2) (#105)
    by brodie on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:49:41 AM EST
    by 10 in the 2d half, so I'm not sure that qualifies me as "optimistic".  

    But I'm definitely not as deeply and cynically pessimistic as a few seem to be.

    The process still is ongoing with plenty of amendments to come and votes on same and so forth.  Too soon to be jumping off the bridge just yet.

    Though I"m hardly expecting a perfect bill to be passed.  If a major portion thereof doesn't kick in until 2013, well, that's not ideal, but it's far better to get something good now than getting nothing now with the status quo continuing until 2013 and beyond ...

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    In 1965 (none / 0) (#94)
    by eric on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:41:27 AM EST
    Democrats had 68 Senators and 295 members in the House.  In the Senate, Medicare passed 70 to 24.  I don't have the roll call, but I'll bet those 24 were all Republicans.

    Today, the country is even more controlled by the moneyed interests.  I am not optimistic.

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    Nope (none / 0) (#114)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:54:41 AM EST
    doesnt say (none / 0) (#119)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:57:32 AM EST
    but who wants to bet they were southern?

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    Good work (none / 0) (#120)
    by eric on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:58:19 AM EST
    finding that.   Party lines were crossed on that vote.  I wonder who they were?

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    Yeah, different era -- (none / 0) (#127)
    by brodie on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:02:41 AM EST
    you had an amazing 13 Rs voting for Medicare in the senate, and 70 in the House.   I don't have a list of those Ds voting No, but I'd imagine most were conservative Southerners.

    Back then too you had an actual moderate-liberal wing of the Repub Pty -- nonexistent today.  And, most importantly, there had just been the massive Dem landslide of 1964, and the public was backing progressive legislation.

    Repubs, some of them anyway, just didn't want to be seen as opposing as a party a very popular medicare program.  It sure didn't help Goldwater in 64 to be perceived as being in opposition to social security related measures.


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    Most likey Dixiecrats (none / 0) (#179)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 03:05:12 PM EST
    not Democrats.

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    As many of us (5.00 / 4) (#78)
    by eric on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:27:13 AM EST
    ask, without a public option, what is the point?

    When we talk about the "health care" issue, what are we talking about?  I haven't seen any bumper stickers that read, "Tweak the Health Care Insurance Regulations NOW!"

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    I hope Obama (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:30:46 AM EST
    has the courage to veto anything that is simply a giveaway to the insurance companies.

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    Why would he do that, (5.00 / 3) (#84)
    by dk on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:32:18 AM EST
    when he is the one going on TV pushing the giveaways?

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    prediction (none / 0) (#85)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:33:24 AM EST
    if it goes as you seem to think it will.  he will have no second term.


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    Meh (none / 0) (#95)
    by dk on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:41:57 AM EST
    I don't know.  Unfortunately, the 72% of Americans who want health care reform have nowhere to go.  Maybe the Democratic wing of the Democratic party will take back some control in 2016?

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    72% (none / 0) (#106)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:49:49 AM EST
    exactly my point.  including 40%+ of republicans.
    if he screws this up, or allows it to be screwed up, and they end up passing a huge giveaway to the insurance companies there will be . . .

    long range effects on the political landscape.

    IMO.


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    Since the rollout of any plan (none / 0) (#128)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:02:55 AM EST
    does not even start until 2013, will the majority of people realize how bad it really is before the 2012 election? I think not and evidently the Dems agree since they are the ones who decided not to implement anything until after the election.

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    He's not going to veto anything (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:35:53 AM EST
    Or to put it another way, they won't pass a bill that he would veto. Even though he has not made his line clear in public, I'm sure he has in private.

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    I think we need to get (none / 0) (#108)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:50:24 AM EST
    a definition of a good "public option".  A public option may well survive in a shape that can be toted as a success against the insurance interests, but, in fact, is a just a public option shell--so hobbled that we may be better off without it and putting efforts and energies toward stronger regulations.

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    Speaking at an AARP town hall meeting, (5.00 / 3) (#86)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:34:01 AM EST
    the president said his proposals would avoid the need for future cuts in Medicare, and that "nobody is talking about cutting Medicare benefits."   However, one small caveat: about half the cost of the Democrats legislation is to be financed by squeezing savings out of Medicare.  Of course, Republicans are using their usual scare tactics to seniors invoking a government path toward euthanasia as a possible cost-cutter. But, a reality-based question does exist as to how all that juice is to be squeezed out of Medicare.  We are talking about a lot of cuts somewhere, since it would take pretty big economies and efficiencies to find that amount of money.  Preventive care, coordinated lab tests, penalties for hospital-acquired MRSA infections, for example, are all well and good, but the cost savings seem overly optimistic.

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    Some of that cost reduction (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by cenobite on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:55:01 AM EST
    Is actually reform -- "Medicare Advantage", which was a republican attempt to privatize medicare, predictably costs more than the normal government run plan and has functioned as a subsidy to the health insurance companies. From what I understand, this is first on the chopping block.

    (With the reform packages requiring everyone who is uninsured and can't afford health care being required to buy junk insurance, I'm sure the insurance companies are perfectly happy to give this up.)

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    I think 'cutting Medicare costs' (none / 0) (#92)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:40:38 AM EST
    without 'cutting Medicare benefits' is going to depend on what you call a benefit. As Obama implied the other night, if you call getting the same test done 5 times a 'benefit' instead of 'waste', then yes, your benefit is going to get cut.

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    I can't help but wonder how (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:27:23 AM EST
    prevalent the scenario of having the same test done 5 times really is? Due to a serious illness, I have been utilizing the health system for over a year. Initial diagnostic tests were hand carried to my specialist's office. The results of all subsequent tests were shared between my team of specialists and forwarded to my GP. Also, some duplication of tests are really necessary to track whether or not a particular treatment is working. I had another ultrasound after a physical examine indicated the possibility that my tumor was growing during chemotherapy rather than shrinking. The ultrasound confirmed that it was and my treatment plan had to be changed quickly.

    I am really skeptical that eliminating "waste" will be only byproduct of the $300 billion cut to the Medicare budget.  

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    Thank you (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by sj on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 12:37:02 PM EST
    This is a question I have been asking.  "Do you know anyone who has had excessive medical tests done just to stave off a law suit?  Or, just to be able to charge Medicare?"

    No one.  Literally not one person that I have asked can come up with an example, or anecdote.  Yeah, they're gonna save a lot of money that way.  Right.  

    Except that they will save the money by denying all 5 of the 5 tests.

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    To charge, absolutely (5.00 / 0) (#164)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 01:37:10 PM EST
    Just went through it. It's too long a story, but in summary, my mother had a blood clot in her leg last Sept. "As long as she was in the hospital" they decided to run every conceivable test on her to see if they could find cancer somewhere. The "markers" in her blood test could easily have been from other ailments, though. Once released from the hospital, they started sending her to every kind of specialist they could think of for more tests.

    Then, this last April, another clot formed in her leg and she was sent back to the hospital. The doctor told her, "as long as you're here, we're going to see if we can find out what's causing this (waving her hands over my mother's abdomen) ascides. I promptly declined her kind offer because they knew very well what was causing it and they had known it since her previous hospital stay...they caused it!

    Declining the battery of unnecessary tests caused that doctor and hospital to end their care and concern. My mother died within a week of being released from the hospital. I have since learned that hospital is actually notorious for cross-selling services whether needed or not.

    I'd like to see Medicare decline some of these outrageous tests and procedures. $1400 shot every other week for anemia, but the anemia never got better.

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    Okay, then (none / 0) (#180)
    by sj on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 03:09:30 PM EST
    One.  At least there's one.  

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    :) I'm sure there are plenty more (none / 0) (#184)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 04:19:00 PM EST
    who have gone through the same medical group andhospital my mother did. But, those are individuals....I have no idea how many clinics and hospitals practice this way.

    UW Hospitals got in a lot of trouble over medicare filings not too many years ago, too.


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    Wiki on Medicare says the no. of (none / 0) (#186)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 04:27:48 PM EST
    people examining Medicare billings on behalf of the federal government is really really small.

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    Obama's claim aside (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 01:05:36 PM EST
    I have had a lot of experience over the past 10 years with Doctors and hospitals in both my wife's mother and my mother and I never saw a test duplicated that was not needed.

    And I saw the bills.

    Many people are unaware that a Doctor may want to have blood tests done daily because they are looking for certain CHANGES in certain things. White blood cell count, O levels, iron, etc.

    If you are concerned about tests that aren't needed, limit the suits, especially the class action suits.

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    Hilarious (none / 0) (#162)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 01:26:37 PM EST
    Now ppj is posing as the average american.  Wonder where that puts you on the IQ scale... lol

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    My other troll. squeaky (none / 0) (#171)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 02:13:30 PM EST
    BTW - I never claimed to be average. Can you read??

    Obviously not.

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    Agreed, (none / 0) (#134)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:19:38 AM EST
    but we need to distill off the hyperbole of such illustrations.  The greatest potential for squeezing Medicare is in reimbursements to hospitals and health care workers, which will impact the beneficiaries down the line. Some needed reforms (a word that connotes worries in itself) such as preventive care, computerized and smart records will eventually bring savings, but not initially. In fact, they may require a modicum of investment.  Without details, the month of August will be a playground for Republicans who will fill in the blanks with scare tactics.

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    overly optimistic (none / 0) (#93)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:41:14 AM EST
    the republicans are now going to have the whole summer to explain to us why this is true.

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    Yes, (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:59:23 AM EST
    but Democrats have not explained why it is not true, save for those obvious comments about duplicative lab tests and vague pronouncements such as paying more does not mean getting better care.  Details accompanied by a sharp pencil are the antidote to "no care for end of life" polemics of Republicans.

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    they could toss in (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:05:00 AM EST
    a reference to how ironic it is that the same people who would bury social security are now so damn worried about end of life care.

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    Lambert continues (5.00 / 0) (#46)
    by dk on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:09:51 AM EST
    to do yeoman's work in showing the downfall of Progressive Blogosphere 1.0.

    Latest exhibit, Digby.

    We're all David Broder, now.  Very, very serious.

    It's a full time job keeping the Left Left (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:49:31 AM EST
    Indeed. (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by dk on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 12:53:42 PM EST
    This bit is worth ... (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:53:39 AM EST
    quoting:

    I missed this little gem from one of Digby's attacks on single payer; approvingly, she quotes Jonathon Chait:

    "But no serious politician is talking about recreating either the British or the Canadian system here."

    See, that's your problem right there. Remember, oh, back when the blogosphere was all fresh and new, when all the "serious" people were for Iraq?*



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    I'm a Centrist (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:02:27 AM EST
    Lambert can't criticize me.

    I was for Obama's escalation in Afghanistan, for free trade, and for a preventive detention regime that is Constitutional and complies with the Geneva Conventions.

    That said, I was also for a much bigger stimulus, much tighter actions against insolvent banks, for a new HOLC and for restoring and enforcing the rule of law. And Obama has been a failure on those issues.

    It is so much simpler when you do not tie yourself to a pol. Then you can write what you really think and not have to apologize for it later.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#148)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 12:02:20 PM EST
    But tying yourself to a phantom Pol, who would have proposed everything you wish for, and gotten congress to approve it, is a no lose situation. No apologies ever needed, because it is fantasy land where it is only what could have been.

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    Utter Horse Sh*t (none / 0) (#146)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:58:51 AM EST
    To even suggest that digby is like Broder is insane. All I can say is that some cultist's seem to have lost their mind.

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    question (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:46:18 AM EST
    An emerging consensus among a bipartisan group of senators is poised to shift the dynamic in the congressional debate over health-care reform and could lead to a final product that sheds many of the priorities that President Obama has emphasized and that have drawn GOP attacks.

    why do the serious people give so much weight to the thoughts of these six jerks?  cant whatever comes out of their stupid committee be changed in the house senate reconciliation even if it is passed by the senate?


    Why? (5.00 / 2) (#103)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:48:01 AM EST
    Because they agree with those six jerks.  And so do their evil puppet masters.

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    IMO (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:56:14 AM EST
    the democrats should have one message for August.
    if you do not get meaningful health care reform it will be because the insurance companies bought enough of your representatives to steal it from you.


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    But if the best the Democrats (none / 0) (#122)
    by dk on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:59:27 AM EST
    have to offer is the bad bill that passed the House committees, then the message liberals should be bringing in August is that Oabam and the Congressional Democrat leadership have already been bought off.

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    then (none / 0) (#129)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:03:10 AM EST
    that should be OUR message for August

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    Apparently most politicians ... (none / 0) (#125)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:01:42 AM EST
    would rather play footsie with insurance companies than win the support of 70+% of the population which supports a "medicare for all" style of health care.

    I think this is short-sighted politics.

    FDR wasn't massively popular because he was a great orator or had a good sense of humor (though he was and he did), but because he passed social security and the many other programs which positively effected people's lives.

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    Are you talking about these 6 (none / 0) (#131)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:08:23 AM EST
    and their plan?

    Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) confirmed that the three Republicans and three Democrats negotiating the Senate Finance bill are moving away from a broad-based mandate that would force employers to offer insurance. The senators instead are leaning toward a "free rider" provision that requires employers to pay for employees who receive coverage through Medicaid or who receive new government subsidies to purchase insurance through an exchange.


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    This is so pathetic (none / 0) (#152)
    by sj on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 12:37:23 PM EST
    By the time a bill is passed it will do absolutely nothing.  Honestly, I'm having a hard time understanding why it will cost anything at all.

    Except us.  The citizens.  We'll pay for sure.

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    Sen. Hutchinson stepping down (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:47:31 AM EST
    this fall

    Not really a shocker.

    A fun Gates - Crowely fact (5.00 / 1) (#183)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 03:56:22 PM EST
    They are distantly related through Niall of the Nine Hostages in Ireland inthe 4th century AD.

    It's like looking in a mirror. (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 04:30:25 PM EST
    And, tomorrow they drink to peace (none / 0) (#188)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 05:30:54 PM EST
    and lessons learned.

    Lucia Whalen held a press conference this morning. Wendy Murphy, of course, by her side and adding her two cents now and then. Wendy said she really couldn't understand why the only good citizen in this whole incident was the one not invited to the party.

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    'errrr, errrrr.' (none / 0) (#6)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 09:51:25 AM EST
    Ohio Senator George Voinovich says that the GOP is "being taken over by southerners," the Columbus Dispatch reports.

    In an interview with with the paper, Voinovich said shrinking demographics and southern senators are alienating his conservative constituents. He cites Republican Senators Jim DeMint and Tom Coburn as the GOP's biggest problem.

    "We got too many Jim DeMints (R-S.C.) and Tom Coburns (R-Ok.). It's the southerners. They get on TV and go 'errrr, errrrr.' People hear them and say, 'These people, they're southerners. The party's being taken over by southerners. What they hell they got to do with Ohio?'," Voinovich said.

    I guess somebody is going to be sitting (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by tigercourse on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 09:58:29 AM EST
    alone at the Congressional cafeteria today.

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    Vee is retiring (none / 0) (#50)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:12:55 AM EST
    Probably for good so he doesn't have much to lose.  One of the better brands of Republican, though he fell in line for Bush for eight years.  

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    It's interesting that he ... (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:04:32 AM EST
    mentions two Senators without much power or seniority.

    He didn't, for instance, mention Sessions.

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    But Jeff Session isn't that much of (none / 0) (#97)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:43:12 AM EST
    a problem?

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    Separation of Church and State (none / 0) (#9)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 09:53:27 AM EST
    So, I thought people were exempt from the law when their religious beliefs prohibited them from seeking medical attention.

    I don't think any such exemption applies (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 09:59:27 AM EST
    to parents who fail to obtain critically needed medical treatment for their children. Example:  recent all points search for CA mother who took her daughter away rather than obeying court order mandating treatment for cancer.

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    We had neighbors once who were of (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:02:37 AM EST
    a religion preventing use of medical. The husband had a heart attack, begged his wife to call an ambulance (but she wouldn't), and he died. No charges were filed, and she didn't care who knew she ignored his plea for help.

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    When I was in high school (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:07:26 AM EST
    I was engaged to a guy who had a family involved in this kind of extremism.  His little sister fell and broke her leg.  They prayed for her.  She stayed in bed for about a month crying.  She also went to a private Christian school that did not question where she was as they were in tune with this praying medicine belief as well.  As an adult during her first pregnancy she began to have a lot of pain in one hip.  I guess the Xray of how the break healed was atrocious to see.  She does not speak to her mother at all.  Her father was deceased when mom lost her mind and joined the cult.

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    Even back in the frontier days (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:17:19 AM EST
    people had some knowledge of basic health care.  If they didn't know how to set a break, they'd send for someone who did.

    This is just straight up willful ignorance.

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    But they have a right... (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:21:47 AM EST
    to believe such nonsense for themselves...when they deny their kids necessary care, that is child abuse.

    Frankly though I don't know if there is anything you can do about it until after the fact...without getting too tyrannical or infringing on parental rights that is.

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    I wonder, though (none / 0) (#150)
    by sj on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34:37 PM EST
    Whether or not he would have returned the "favor" had the wife been the one to fall ill.

    In fact, this little blurb makes we wonder all kinds of things about the family dynamic...

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    For themselves...not for others. (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by oldpro on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:01:59 AM EST
    This isn't a church/state issue.  This is a stupidity index.  You can elieve any damn thing you want so long as it doesn't kill somebody else.

    Zesus.

    This isn't rocket science.  It's child abuse.  Neglect.  In the extreme.  So...does mommy STILL have faith now that her child is dead?

    Christonacrutch.  Lock these people up.

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    There's much more to the backstory (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:18:05 AM EST
    for those of us following it here from the start.

    The parents were not unaware of the seriousness of the daughter's illness -- other family members knew it, told the parents, tried to get the girl help, etc.

    Parent

    Were a lot (none / 0) (#81)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:29:41 AM EST
    of balls dropped, and mistakes made by more than just the parents?

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    Within the law, it looks like (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:42:21 AM EST
    the sane family members did what they could.  Some from afar, trying to cope with our state law (long fairly loose on such things, owing to a successful suit by the Amish here decades ago about schooling) as well as the recent federal law.  

    It's a heartbreaker.

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    Definitely a heartbreaker. (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:00:26 AM EST
    If you hang out in health care long enough, you see cases where it's difficult to find the right diagnosis, or the disorder is very rare, or the staff not experienced enough, or the doctor is stubborn and sticks with their original diagnosis and the patient suffers.

    Here you have a very common disease, extremely treatable, good to great prognosis - and all it would have taken is one trip to the doctor or urgent care.  The most basic testing would have revealed the problem - basic serum chemistry tests.  Heck, you can accurately test for blood glucose levels with a hand held device in minutes.

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    And it was those family members (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:48:00 AM EST
    especially a sister-in-law out west who called 9/11 repeatedly and later, after the girl's death, went to authorities to ask for an investigation.

    Why?  Because there are other kids, and even after the death of one, the parents said they would do the same thing again if another fell ill, broke a bone, etc.

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    Here's the backstory (none / 0) (#29)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:05:15 AM EST
    See, that's puzzling to me (none / 0) (#34)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:06:10 AM EST
    How is a parent to know what their child has if they don't do medical?

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    None of them have anything (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:08:41 AM EST
    If they are right with the Lord and have the faith that is required by the Lord for them to have.

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    Going to a doctor (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:43:53 AM EST
    is not showing proper faith in the Lord.

    At least the Quiverfull breeders are pragmatic faith-based hypocrites - they think that contraception is "against God" but that doing everything medically feasible to carry a pregnancy to term is "doing God's work".

    Parent

    From the article (none / 0) (#47)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:10:25 AM EST
    The Neumanns' highly anticipated trial has sparked new debate in a long-running battle over faith healing in the United States. Under current Wisconsin law, a parent cannot be convicted of child abuse or negligent homicide if they can prove they genuinely believed that calling God, instead of a doctor, was the best option available for their child. The law is part of the legacy of the 1996 Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act, which included a landmark exemption for parents who do not seek medical care for their children for religious purposes. While all states give social service authorities the right to intervene in cases of child neglect, criminal codes in 29 other states also provide additional protection for parents who forgo mainstream medical treatment. (Read TIME's cover story on God vs. Science.)

    In light of Kara's high-profile case, faith-healing communities around the country are worried about losing their right to treat their children according to their religious beliefs. "The way the law is worded right now is confusing and makes it seem like we have a shield to recklessly endanger children," says Joe Farkas, legislative affairs representative for the Church of Christ, Scientist, in Wisconsin. The Church has teamed up with Wisconsin Democratic Sen. Lena Taylor to write new legislation that could repeal a provision in the state's child abuse and neglect statute that exempts parents from prosecution in some faith-healing cases, while creating a new "affirmative defense" for parents who made a "reasonable attempt" to provide medical care for their child. "We want to have an affirmative defense where parents relying on Christian Science treatment are given a fair opportunity to explain why they believed their action was in the best interest of their child," says Farkas. "Our church loves children and we want to protect children."



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    Thanks for that link (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:16:31 AM EST
    This part:

    Under current Wisconsin law, a parent cannot be convicted of child abuse or negligent homicide if they can prove they genuinely believed that calling God, instead of a doctor, was the best option available for their child. The law is part of the legacy of the 1996 Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act, which included a landmark exemption for parents who do not seek medical care for their children for religious purposes.

    is what I thought protected the religious protestors of medicine.

    How many of these trials are we going to start to see when all the unemployed, uninsured families can't afford medical?

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    O'Reilly failed basic ... (none / 0) (#15)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:00:02 AM EST
    math ... or so it seems if this is anything to go by.

    I wonder if anyone on O'Reilly's staff said he was wrong before this aired?

    What are ... (none / 0) (#33)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:05:56 AM EST
    you talking about?

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    No thanks, I'll wait for ... (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:15:44 AM EST
    the movie.

    ;)

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    am I the only one (none / 0) (#27)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:04:39 AM EST
    who finds Glenn Beck in lederhosen strangely erogenous?

    um, thought so.

    Capt (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:07:27 AM EST
    You need to heal quickly and get out among normal people again!  :)

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    Maybe he should have worn that ... (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:14:25 AM EST
    when he called Obama a racist.

    Would have put things in perspective.

    Parent

    IMO, Glenn Beck looks like an evil version (none / 0) (#52)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:13:15 AM EST
    of the Pillsbury Dough Boy.

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    WTF (none / 0) (#30)
    by lilburro on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:05:20 AM EST
    did the Onion write Cohen's column this week?

    Also - he's in favor of single payer?

    Funny, isn't it? (none / 0) (#80)
    by andgarden on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:29:17 AM EST
    Incidentally, I agree with his Medicare proposal. Impossible to get that through Congress, though.

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    So say the "serious" people, anyway. (none / 0) (#83)
    by dk on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:31:12 AM EST
    Recession Proof Job (none / 0) (#35)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:07:03 AM EST
    Top 25 Lobbying firms revenue first 6 months of 2008 = $205,370,000

    2009 - $210,170,000

    http://undertheinfluence.nationaljournal.com/2009/07/patton-boggs-remains-no-1-on-k.php

    Interesting (none / 0) (#39)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:07:58 AM EST
    as money is drying up everywhere else....

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    The last great corporate hope (none / 0) (#64)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:17:05 AM EST
    to hang onto the days that they all blew up :)

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    Honestly (none / 0) (#136)
    by coast on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:34:22 AM EST
    I would have thought the increase would have been larger given the bills that have been passed or are being discussed:

    Stimulus - Banking and Finance lobby

    Cap and Trade - Energy lobby

    Health Reform - Insurance, Medical, Pharm lobby

    I'm sure I left off some, but those are some pretty heavy hitters.

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    contextually they are (none / 0) (#143)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:50:21 AM EST
    with most businesses seeing contractions in the area of 40%, you have to consider this increase in that context.....

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    Oh, Maureen. (none / 0) (#51)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:12:58 AM EST
    In today's NYT op-ed column, Ms. Dowd, in a truly schoolgirl fashion, compares and contrasts Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton. The parallel drawn distorts and distracts from the truth. At times it actually seems as if Ms Dowd is trying to be complimentary to Mrs. Clinton, but it also  appears to be something she is innately incapable of doing.

    Dowd compliments Hillary (5.00 / 4) (#66)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:17:27 AM EST
    in other news, pigs were seen circling overhead.


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    Only because (none / 0) (#132)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:11:30 AM EST
    now Dowd has someone else to pick on.

    Picking on Hillary is sooooo yesterday.  Sarah Palin offers Dowd and her ilk the possibility of much material for future columns.

    Has Dowd ever picked a hard target?  Or does she reliably go after the low hanging fruit?

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    True. And, certainly not offering (none / 0) (#169)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 01:56:56 PM EST
    redemption,  but Ms. Dowd was one of the few in punditocracy that opposed the Iraq invasion from the get go, and was early to criticize Bush--at a time when it was not popular to do so.   I can.t help myself, but that position does leave a little soft spot (probably in my head) for her none-the-less.  

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    One point in her favor (none / 0) (#185)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 04:26:23 PM EST
    Pity she wasn't a better writer or those columns might have had more impact.

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    Well, Palin is out, Clinton is still in (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:19:50 AM EST
    and Dowd is one of those pathetic hanger-ons who always wanted to be with the in group in high school.

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    And apparently to her ... (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:35:00 AM EST
    comparing anyone to a young woman is the best insult in the book.  Notice here how she attempts to ridicule both Obama and Hillary by comparing them to young women:

    Certainly, [Hillary] doesn't have to worry that this president's gaze is going to drift over her shoulder to some pretty thing behind her. In this White House, Barack Obama is the pretty thing who is taken with Hillary's serious, smartest-girl-at-Wellesley aura.

    And this is nothing new.  She uses this device all the time.

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    Ha. Translated, it tells us (none / 0) (#124)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:01:34 AM EST
    that Dowd is the one looking over her shoulder and worried about the pretty young this coming up fast behind her.  And in journalism today, she is right to be worried.  

    We have seen for years now -- and see last night's post here -- that experience works against journalists, just as it does against politicians.  So aging editors have been desperately trying to appeal to younger readers.  Of course, it isn't working, for many reasons.  But among them, as any marketer knows, youth are inconstant sorts.  With what we know of their flat turnout at the polls in 2008, too, the Dems ought to be doing GOTV now to even get that many back again.  

    Of course, we are seeing the president and party pandering to the youth vote in the health care debacle with all this "entitlement" talk about what Dems used to call old-age insurance, health-care insurance, etc.  I doubt it will work well for them; I think few young voters are following it, while it will lose them older voters.

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    Wait until their own parents or (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:40:57 AM EST
    grandparents are the ones denied the services that they need.

    Baby Blunt was so unpopular here in MO after he made drastic cuts to Medicaid and other health programs he didn't run for reelection. Even long standing Republicans didn't like having their family members denied care and would not have voted for him.

    The president and ALL members of Congress should seriously think about the message of Baby Blunt.  

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    Yep. But then (5.00 / 2) (#147)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 12:00:22 PM EST
    entitlement is what too many people want for themselves but not for others.

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    Wow, comparing Apples to burning tires (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:50:28 AM EST
    Oh, dang. (none / 0) (#57)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:14:49 AM EST
    That's something I must see Dowd, Palin and Clinton.  

    Off I go to watch a trainwreck!

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    In case you were interested (none / 0) (#91)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:39:17 AM EST
    The 50 Most Beautiful People on Capitol Hill - 2009 edition - is out.

    Judge for yourself, I guess....

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder so (none / 0) (#101)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:47:59 AM EST
    BLEH to Capitol Hill beauty!  Earn your checks signed by the people or get off the Hill you asses!

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    you know what they say (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:51:46 AM EST
    politics is show business for ugly people

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    I work in show business ... (none / 0) (#115)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:55:34 AM EST
    it isn't true.

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    Aww...c'mon (none / 0) (#116)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:55:50 AM EST
    There are some pretty attractive people on the list.  

    The only thing that kep me off this year was that I work 9 blocks away....<snark>

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    Obviously they aren't judging... (none / 0) (#111)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:51:35 AM EST
    inner beauty, better luck finding some of that in the joint.

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    OMG - Dave Reichert #4!!! (none / 0) (#137)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:35:16 AM EST
    The write-up is priceless:

    Many people recognize Reichert for his role in capturing the serial Green River Killer in 2001. But few know that during his 32 years on the King County police force he was hit head-on in his police cruiser, caught a butcher knife mid-air before a crook could stab him in the throat, and talked a man pointing a gun at his stomach out of shooting him.

    Yep, known for his role in capturing....he had the guy, interviewed him, and let him go. Reichert went on to the position of King Co. Sheriff and years later the GR killer was finally arrested. He really shouldn't keep using that case as his claim to fame.


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    brownsox hits the charts (none / 0) (#145)
    by jes on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:55:15 AM EST
    at number one. I  do think he is beautiful - inside and out. But then, as the article says, he has only been there for 5 weeks.

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    Holy mackeral! (none / 0) (#139)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:43:18 AM EST
    Detroit metro area's jobless rate tops 17%

    The Detroit metropolitan area held its position of having the highest unemployment rate among major U.S. cities, with the rate surging more than 2 percentage points to above 17%, the government reported Wednesday.

    The jobless rate in the Detroit-Warren-Livonia metropolitan area rose to 17.1% last month from 14.9% in May. It was the highest of 49 urban centers with more than 1 million inhabitants in the Labor Department report.

    The Detroit area also suffered the largest year-over-year increase in unemployment of any major urban center. The rate is up 8.1 percentage points from 9% in June 2008.

    "We've seen continued deterioration in the entire state of Michigan," said Ken LeVasseur, a senior economist at the Bureau of Labor Statistics. "The entire state did not come out of the 2001 recession."



    Quelle surprise. (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:50:04 AM EST
    Did anyone not see this?

    It might be a really, really, really good idea to pass real health care reform so even more of our manufacturing doesn't emigrate.

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    remember (none / 0) (#156)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 01:04:39 PM EST
    when I predicted the most valuable ebay find would be his nose?

    JACKO'S FAKE NOSE 'MISSING'

    Wyoming in play in 2010? (none / 0) (#160)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 01:22:38 PM EST
    Apparently, once one of the reddest states, now the GOP has added Wyoming's only Representative to the list of the the party's most vulnerable candidates.

    (Although it will still be a very tough fight, if registrations mean anything)

    should Obama (none / 0) (#170)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 02:04:51 PM EST
    Another Republican $ex scandal (none / 0) (#174)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 02:27:07 PM EST
    And look at that  - he's an evangelical.  Surprise, surprise....

    how original (5.00 / 0) (#177)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 02:54:11 PM EST
    said in his resignation letter that he has "decided to focus my full attention on my family."


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    But he is to be commented (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 06:11:52 PM EST
    for resigning, if it prevents release of those nude photos of him.  Ewwww.

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    Er: to be commended :-) (none / 0) (#190)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 06:12:17 PM EST