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Palin's Hypocrisy

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Other Politics
Posted on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 04:50:50 PM EST
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I have very much disagreed with my co-bloggers on the coverage of Sarah Palin generally, and specifically since her announced resignation. But I think Open Left has the goods on Palin's hypocrisy on media criticism:

A fair question for Governor Palin would be - do you admit you were wrong in your prior comments about media criticism of Hillary Clinton? Cuz she was.

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    The POV she expresses here (5.00 / 5) (#1)
    by andgarden on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 04:55:28 PM EST
    is very common among people who have not had to actually confront discrimination.

    Yes. (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by ghost2 on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 09:52:17 PM EST
    She said that before it happened to her, and she experienced the magnitude of the media unfairness.  

    Funny, that the leftist like BTD end up looking for all the flimsy excuses to justify the public crucification of Sarah Palin.

    The video is actually very instructive, but BTD and the media take the wrong lesson from it.  WOMEN who are attacked and complain about it look to be whining.  Unless it happens to you.  Then you realize the depth of sexism, the nastiness, the deep underlying pure hatred of women who want to do it their own way.  

    That's why I have ended up defending Palin all the time.  When she talks about fundamental policy points, there are republican POV.  But that pales in comparison to me to the disgust and anger that I feel seeing what she is subject to.  

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    Utter BS (5.00 / 0) (#41)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 09:58:00 PM EST
    She was trashing Hillary in the same sexist way many others were, while trying to score GOP political points by doing so.

    As far as never been discriminated against, I find that extremely hard to believe. What did she live in a bubble? Alaska is the only state in the US where there is no sexism?

    Give me a break.

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    There's a threshold level of discrimination (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by andgarden on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 10:19:58 PM EST
    that I think most people can tolerate, and perhaps even defend.

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    Palin had two strikes against her (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by BernieO on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 07:44:13 AM EST
    She is a woman and - horrors! - she is from the boonies. The media loves to trash both.

    To get a fair comparison, just look at how the media treated Bush. Granted he was from Texas, but as a member of the east coast elite Bush family, he got a pass on that.

    When the media adopts the "rube" storyline one of the essentials is to portray the person's relatives as white trash. Remember all the focus on Billy Carter's and Roger Clinton's antics? Yet when Neil Bush admitted to having sex with prostitutes in his '04 divorce deposition the media barely covered it. (I recently asked a group of friends about this. All of them clearly remembered Billy and Roger but not one knew about Neil.) And he was a grown man, not a hapless teenager like Bristol Palin.

    CBS News' report on its website starts with the sentence "In the annals of embarrassing presidential relatives, Neil Bush is no Billy Carter or Roger Clinton." It was written by - I kid you not - Bootie Cosgrove-Mather!! I guess Bootie is right in the sense that neither Billy or Roger played a big role in the collapse of an S&L. But like Billy he was trading on his family name to get million dollar business deals.

    While Palin was clearly not prepared to be president she was actually more experienced than Bush, yet the media always defended him as a successful governor. They could not be bothered to point out that Texans deliberately created a very weak governorship because they hated the powerful post-Reconstruction governor. Tixas vests more power in the lieutenant governor who was a Democrat when Bush was in office. In addition, the Texas legislature meets only every other year for four months!

    Compare Bush's thin record to Palin's standing up to corrupt politicians in her own party, making the oil companies pony up more money to the state, and shepherding the bill to create a massive natural gas pipeline project and the bias becomes clear. US News downgraded the pipeline bill by saying that Palin had bipartisan support - something they praise Obama for. Alaska's Republican leaders had been trying to get this pipeline created for years but failed because they kept giving away too much to the oil companies which is why they could never get the bipartisan support that they needed.

    I want to emphasize that I am not saying I support Palin, just that the media's portrayal of her is way out of line. If they really wanted to do a professional job they would be reporting on just how the economic policies she supports have never worked and are responsible for the mess we are in. Of course those policies are those of the sainted Ronald Reagan so there is no way they will tell the public the truth about them.

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    Do You Think (none / 0) (#2)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 04:59:02 PM EST
    Palin has not experienced discrimination? I don't, unless she believes that women are second class citizens, which is very GOP.  

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    Heh (5.00 / 6) (#15)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 06:20:59 PM EST
    Considering 17 Democratic Senators, including the leader chose to go with the meme that women in their third trimester are capricious creatures that arbitrarily chose to end thier pregnancies on a whim to the detriment of women I wouldn't use party identification for that statement.

    What was it again the Democrats did after the SCOTUS ruled that company formularies did not need to carry birth control? Oh that's right, nothing.

    What did they do when the cost of birth control pills skyrocketed on campuses due to a funding hole? Also, nothing.

    The guy occupying the WH is a Democrat. Has he overturned the conscience clause? Nope.

    Why was it again I am supposed to find one particular party as pro woman again?

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    Sure (5.00 / 0) (#21)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 06:36:08 PM EST
    If you think that the Democrats values are in general more sexist than the GOPers, I have a bridge to sell you.

    If I suggested that no democrats could be shown to be sexist, then I certainly did not intend to imply that.

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    When the values on paper (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 06:47:48 PM EST
    are reflected by the actual behavior I'll be impressed. Until such a time, I'll be base my positions on something other than party ideology.

    The fact that two of the three leadership positions in the Democratic party are occupied by people who seem to share the position of the alleged "women hating" party isn't encouraging and doesn't say much for the party's commitment to women.

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    OK (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 06:50:50 PM EST
    You are on another subject, fine with me.

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    I think there are degrees (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 04:59:36 PM EST


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    I Dunno (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 05:04:47 PM EST
    I would be shocked that such a powerful and prominent woman has not faced sexism on a regular basis. Especially in wingnuttia.

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    seems to me (none / 0) (#25)
    by samtaylor2 on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 07:46:03 PM EST
    that if you allow yourself to be "tokenized" so that people can attack your social group, you give up your right to claim descrimination.

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    denial. On Palin's part. (none / 0) (#32)
    by coigue on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 09:10:41 PM EST
    That's what I think it is.

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    Now She Can Whine (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 05:01:48 PM EST
    Since she is resigning. Perfectly consistent, lol..

    Anyway this sort of hypocrisy seems typical for Pols, especially GOPers.

    I got the impression from Palin (5.00 / 4) (#17)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 06:28:58 PM EST
    her biggest problems weren't regarding criticism of herself in the media but with the way it was open season on her children. I also think that it isn't entirely accurate to portray this as quitting because of the media portrayal of her when she made it clear that the over half a million dollars wasted on mainly unfounded ethics complaints was largely the reason she chose to leave.

    I do think that how the media portrayed Clinton and Palin is unfortunate because I believe both women are smart, agressive,intelligent and capable women even if they do not share the same ideological viewpoint and the same vision on how to get to an America that is a happy and safe place to raise their children and grandchildren in.

    What people are talking about her kids (5.00 / 0) (#26)
    by samtaylor2 on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 07:47:44 PM EST
    I watch, liaten and read a lot of news and outside of the wing nut branch, I haven't heard anyone attack her children.

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    Then you have missed quite a bit (5.00 / 4) (#29)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 09:01:02 PM EST
    Piper was attacked by Letterman(evidently it supposed to be okay because he really meant Bristol). There was a whole bunch of opining when poor Bristol attempted to tell young teens to wait. Sullivan has been brutal in suggesting that Trig is actually Bristol's. Those are just examples off the top of my head.

    As I stated there are some people on the left side of the aisle I find just as reprehensible as Ann Coulter(and I absolutely despise her behavior).

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    well then (none / 0) (#31)
    by progrocks on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 09:09:21 PM EST
    good thing no one ever mentioned the Chelsey during the CLinton administration.  

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    Heh (5.00 / 5) (#37)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 09:34:38 PM EST
    Yeah, let's go with the childish "They did it first" defense.

    If that is the maturity level of our country no wonder we are in such horrendous shape.

    For the record, I don't buy that defense when my children use it either. I've taught them that someone else behaving poorly does not give them licsence to do likewise.

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    I would agree (5.00 / 0) (#42)
    by CoralGables on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 09:59:38 PM EST
    I would also agree that you have pushed the limit of hyperbole when you say "Piper was attacked by Letterman".

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    The guy (none / 0) (#43)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 10:06:13 PM EST
    wasn't even friggin' smart enough to know which daughter actually traveled to NY. Don't blame that on me.

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    Here's the catch (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by CoralGables on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 10:47:06 PM EST
    it didn't matter. The bad joke had nothing to do with Piper except for those trying to puff up a non story.

    This is exactly what the McCain campaign had a problem with concerning Palin. She has a need to stir it up even when there is nothing to stir and even if it's self damaging if she does. The recently released internal emails between Palin and the McCain campaign staff confirm that issue.

    Compare her to Michelle Obama who ignored a recent comment about her ancestor escaping from the zoo. It's an easy rule to follow. Don't pick a public spat with a gutter rat or you'll find yourself on equal footing with them.

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    stir it up? (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 11:46:07 PM EST
    Only in some alternate reality could you believe that Sarah Palin wanted David Letterman to use her daughters as the brunt of a sick joke on NATIONAL television.

    She DEFENDED her daughters. It is beyond absurd to expect a parent to sit idly by and allow her children to be treated in such a disgusting and vile manner.

    There isn't a parent I know that wouldn't have been equally as incensed as she was.

    The idea that somehow Sarah Palin is manipulating all these people into making disgusting accusations and commentary on her children in order to remain in the spotlight is absurd. I have a novel idea instead of blaming HER for responding to outrageous commentary why not place the blame on the individuals who give her a platform everytime they open their pieholes and smear her family? I refuse to blame a victim that doesn't just lie there and take it.

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    When did she say anything about Piper? (none / 0) (#56)
    by ghost2 on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 01:47:07 AM EST
    Willow is the 14 year old daughter.

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    Sarah Palin's biggest problems ... (3.50 / 2) (#55)
    by FreakyBeaky on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 12:34:36 AM EST
    ... are lack of character and zero work ethic, leading to gross ignorance and not giving a damn about fact, fiction, and basic competence.  See Bush, George W. for a stellar example of the same thing.  

    Has she been treated differently because of her gender? I would say so.  But we ought to be clear that she has nothing else in common with Hillary Clinton.  Nothing.  She is the anti-Hillary, the female Bush.  It's not about differences of opinion.

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    So (none / 0) (#65)
    by cawaltz on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 12:04:12 PM EST
    are you intimating that Hillary Clinton would have disagreed with the Child Enforcement Act or the Domestic Violence Act? How about the Elizabeth Cady Stanton Pregnant and Parenting Act?

    Two of the three initiatives were pushed through with the help of Feminists for Life(The group Palin is a part of).

    She also increased funding for HeadStart, increased funding for low income healthcare(wait, aren't democratic governors doing the opposite?), and started a wellness program as well as a smoking cessation program(unlike the President who took the funding out while raising taxes on smokers)for Alaskans. Which of those things do you think Hillary would have found most objectionable?

    http://gov.state.ak.us/newsletter/PAF_NovDec2008.php

    Oh and despite her position on abortion she appointed a pro choice justice to the bench.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/15/state-law-gives-palin-no-choice-but-pro-choice/

    I don't believe she is the anti Hillary at all. Are there ideological differences? Certainly. Is Sarah Palin George W. Bush? I've seen absolutely no evidence that supports that. I think that it is wishful thinking on the part of party ideologues.

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    I'll make it simpler (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by FreakyBeaky on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 12:00:53 AM EST
    Aside from Palin being the avatar of the terrorist-muslim-kill him crypto-fascist crowd, and HRC not; HRC got where she is by hard work, diligent effort, learning the issues backwards and forwards, etc., while Sarah Palin ... didn't.  

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    Gimme a friggin break! (none / 0) (#73)
    by BigElephant on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 06:45:48 PM EST
    She didn't even have a choice on the pro-choice judges (they were both pro-choice!).

    And a Palin newsletter?!  Really?  That's how you judge her record?  

    Don't get me wrong.  I think Palin is an egotistical idiot, but you do her no favors.

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    Hypocrisy maybe (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 07:45:18 PM EST
    if she still insists HRC was "whining" now that she's been ground up in the mill herself, but nobody's asked her that yet.  I hope somebody does.  I'd be curious to hear what she says.

    No Sexism There? (5.00 / 0) (#28)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 07:52:29 PM EST
    By Palin? I think that she was calling Hillary too emotional (weak) to be president and that she was doing a disservice to Women by calling out sexism.

    Pretty sexist, imo. on both counts.

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    Okay (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 09:07:07 PM EST
    So name a politician who isn't a hypocrite....And if you happen to be able to name one, then name two.  Bet you can't do that.

    Because (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 09:33:33 PM EST
    Why aren't we talking about the hypocrite in the White House?
    That is not the topic of this thread. Isn't that obvious?

    you just proved my point (5.00 / 0) (#40)
    by samtaylor2 on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 09:55:48 PM EST
    do you go to perezhildton.com a lot, the disgusting picture that was reported on at Huffingtonpost was from some blogger that does not work for huffingtonpost, and la2day- what is that?  

    I find attacking familes just disgusting.  I also find trying to use your family to create anger and sympathy for yourself to be disgraceful, especially when it is based upon comments from individuals that should simply be ignored.

    No I don't (none / 0) (#46)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 10:20:06 PM EST
    read Perez. However he is high profile enough to have gotten airtime on TV. Who could forget all his bloviating about Carrie Prejean.

    Heh, did you take the time to read the commentary on HuffPo and are you going to pretend that just because they didn't actually come up with it themselves it doesn't count? (That's pretty classic)

    My point is and continues to be her children have been attacked. I'm not going to spend all day googling for you. You can do it for yourself. Google Bristol and sl*t and see what you get. When you are through with that use the term wh*re. Then feel free to check out the links questioning the parentry of Trig as a tribute to Sullivan.

    Frankly I find it absurd to suggest that she shouldn't comment when people say disgusting and vile things about those she loves. The idea that she is "using" it is something you seem to have determined and I have to ask what sort of credentials you have to have made that determination? Otherwise, it appears to be unsubstantiated balderdash and a whole lot of opining(moreso than actual facts).

    You'll note I didn't insult your intelligence by not providing you with some factual substance to back up my viewpoint.

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    Palin probably owes Hillary an apology (5.00 / 5) (#48)
    by Anne on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 10:39:14 PM EST
    for painting her as weak for the little bit of pushback Hillary gave the media during the campaign, given that Palin couldn't even stand to finish out her term as governor.

    But that Palin herself has shown herself to be a bit of a hypocrite, has nothing to do with what the media has been doing - what the bloggers have been doing, and that, I think, escapes some people.

    I'm tired of Sarah Palin.  Tired of her ideology, tired of her family, tired of the breathless media that follow her every muscle twitch, tired of having to hear about her every muscle twitch, about her wardrobe and her footwear and what color her toenails are.  She just quit on the people of Alaska, without any coherent reason, and that ought to disqualify her from any serious contention for any further public service.  I don't see her as any sort of exceptional person who has what it takes to lead an entire nation, and it is my fervent hope that she drops off the radar and doesn't even get a speaking gig at the next convention.  "Sarah Who?" gets my vote for the next bumper sticker.

    But then, I'm tired of the GOP in general.

    please don't bring that stuff here (5.00 / 0) (#59)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 08:35:44 AM EST
    your comment was deleted due to words in the links you provided.

    Don't tell me you're "too stupid" (5.00 / 0) (#60)
    by ChrisO on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 10:05:26 AM EST
    to know that it was Willow, and not Piper. Your screed is ridiculous. If Palin objected to the joke, then fine (although it was actually a joke about ARod.) But when she started essentially accusing Letterman of being a pedophile and pervert because of the joke, she deserved everything she got. Not to mention the fact that Palin seems to focus an awful lot of attention on the flaws of others. She campaigned on the notion that Democrats don't love our country as much as she does, and even blamed bloggers and public interest groups for her resignation. She is an incredibly negative and divisive force in American politics.

    Again (2.00 / 0) (#62)
    by cawaltz on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 11:40:49 AM EST
    you're missing the point.

    The point was the media has used HER FAMILY as a punching bag. She didn't "ask for it." They just decided it was acceptable. She responded. Appropriately, I might add in the opinion of the majority of Americans. You can quit moving the goalposts unless you somehow believe it is acceptable to make rape jokes at the expense of a politician's family.

    He is a pervert. Only a pervert would find rape funny. Ask any woman who has ever experienced it. It isn't a joke. It's positively twisted that someone could take one of the worst experiences that someone could ever have happen and think it's a flippin' punchline.

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    Oh please (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by ChrisO on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 02:16:32 PM EST
    It wasn't a "rape joke." Letterman clearly thought it was Bristol Palin who was at the game. How would ARod knocking her up qualify as rape? You're playing Palin's game by blowing it all out of proportion and then crying about the poor women out there being victimized. Please give it a rest with the whole "only a pervert would find rape funny" BS.How exactly do you equate getting pregnant with being raped? Nothing Letterman said or even implied indicated that he was talking about forcible sex. Since he thought the daughter in question was Bristol, who is of legal age, where exactly is the rape you're going on about?

    And I notice you conveniently gloss over the fact that you mistook Willow for Piper, but insist on holding Letterman accountable for making essentially the same mistake. Except of course Letterman mistook who was present at a photo op, while you have the benefit endless hours of coverage of this nonsense and you still can't get the names straight.


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    The blogosphere could use more white knights. (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Sweet Sue on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 12:38:24 PM EST
    And let's not forget the HuffPo piece whose writer stated that Palin was going to run on a "more retardation" platform.
    I'm as liberal as they come but, honestly, her family as been attacked and defamed like no other.

    Like No Other? (5.00 / 0) (#67)
    by squeaky on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 01:08:47 PM EST
    For recent memory Clinton? And historically what has happened to Palin pales in comparison to peoples lives damaged by McCarthy and JEdgar Hoover.

    Relatively speaking the "defamation" done to Palin will not even be a historical footnote, imo.

    But hyperbole is a useful tool when you are playing politics, so go for it..

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    Been Reading Jonah Goldberg? (none / 0) (#72)
    by squeaky on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 03:03:48 PM EST
    I'm getting a lot of indignant left-wing e-mail for my statement yesterday re Palin: "It certainly is true that nobody in public life in recent memory has been as shabbily treated as she has."

    via digby

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    Well.. (5.00 / 0) (#69)
    by squeaky on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 01:15:27 PM EST
    You know Palin has suffered from discrimination herself and this is clearly a coping method for her to process her internalized oppression...

    lol

    I'm always amused ... (none / 0) (#6)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 05:18:35 PM EST
    when bloggers cry from the rooftops about hypocrisy in politicians.

    Isn't hypocrisy, like, their job?

    ;)

    It's my avocation (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 05:25:02 PM EST
    to illustrate that hypocrisy.

    I am always amused at commenters who seem surprised when I point out a politician's hypocrisy.

    Knowing they are hypocrites is not the equivalent of accepting it.

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    Not So Blatently (none / 0) (#7)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 05:23:26 PM EST
    For pols it does not look good to make a comment bordering on sexist, or play on sexist sentiments that are already in place, and then to do the very same behavior in an over the top way.

    And it is the job of political bloggers and should be the job of the MSM to point the hypocrisy out when it happens.

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    Avocation (5.00 / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 05:25:44 PM EST
    for me. Not a job.

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    OK (none / 0) (#10)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 05:30:09 PM EST
    Job, meaning self appointed task that is done without remuneration, in political bloggers case (yours).  And as far as the MSM goes Job meaning task that is not done even though there is remuneration.

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    This subject is one of the few (none / 0) (#11)
    by Maryb2004 on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 05:41:35 PM EST
    on which I agree with your co-bloggers and disagree with you.  

    No one agrees with me (none / 0) (#12)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 05:48:08 PM EST
    all the time.

    It just means that everyone is wrong sometime . . .

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    lol (none / 0) (#13)
    by Maryb2004 on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 06:03:45 PM EST
    I appreciate your consistency in calling out how the blogosphere treats women politicians.

    On the other hand, sometimes I think you take it too far and it verges on "white knight" behavior. Take that for what it's worth, which isn't much --  because I can't tell you where the line is crossed, it's just something I occasionally feel.

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    I doubt that (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 06:08:12 PM EST
    my overcompensation on sexism, if it exists, could possibly outweigh the occurences and lack of interest in dealing with sexism in the blogosphere and in society.

    Am I zealous? Admittedly? Even overzealous. But not wrong because of it imo.

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    I know (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Maryb2004 on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 06:28:40 PM EST
    and I don't say it does.  You couldn't possibly outweigh them. But it isn't about balance, it's about, I don't know, doing the right thing.

    Zealous is good.  But there is a line.  

    Let me try an analogy you should easily get.  It's sort of like when Buffy is fighting Caleb and things look bad for her. Then Angel shows up and helps her out.  Which is good. Sometimes timely help is the difference between winning and losing.  But he's smart enough to know that he's done his part and this is something she needs to finish herself. So after doing his part he backs off and doesn't get in her way.

    Timely help - good.  Insisting on being a White Knight - not so good.

    It's a fine line. And I hesitate to even talk about it because it would be worse if the timely help didn't arrive.

    I tell you this only for your own self so you can think about it.

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    I always liked Spike better (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 06:30:43 PM EST
    Heh.

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    me too (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Maryb2004 on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 06:35:19 PM EST
    and if you want to die to save the world or womenkind ... who am I to stop you. :)

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    feh... (none / 0) (#34)
    by coigue on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 09:15:48 PM EST
    his heart's in the right place, no need to pick apart motives...since you have no idea what they are.

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    Exactly! (none / 0) (#19)
    by Radiowalla on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 06:33:27 PM EST
    Such blatant hypocrisy makes her all the more a target of criticism.

     

    Are you bitter or what? (none / 0) (#44)
    by Radiowalla on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 10:10:19 PM EST


    Hillary on Palin (none / 0) (#49)
    by ghost2 on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 10:39:55 PM EST
    Here's leadership and class for you:

    The question and answer on Palin starts at 3:55.

    "We need to keep focused on the difference between the republicans and the democrats."

    (but then we have to be honest about FISA and indefinite detention thingies! It sounds like hard work.)

    The second part. (none / 0) (#50)
    by ghost2 on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 10:46:10 PM EST
    Here.

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    The biggest difference (none / 0) (#54)
    by cawaltz on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 11:50:34 PM EST
    is that one smiles while stabbing you in the front and the other laughs at you while stabbing you in the back.

    FISA, Iraq, bailouts, and torture all done with the knowledge of both parties.

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    Piper is the little cute 6 year old. (none / 0) (#57)
    by ghost2 on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 01:48:07 AM EST
    Willow is the 14 year old.

    She has her hands full (2.00 / 0) (#63)
    by cawaltz on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 11:51:44 AM EST
    I think you are right. She did have her 14 year old with her.

    My point stands though. Letterman is a putz. Sarah Palin didn't instigate the situation. The idea she is "using" the media is laughable since she has been "responding" in a good portion of these instances. She shouldn't have to stand idly by while her family gets slurred and treated as "fair game".

    I think it is pretty darn sad that there appear to be people here who think his indefensiblly perverted comment was okay or that she should somehow have "let it slide".

    I have a 15 year old and I would have done the exact same thing.

    I'm not even going to bother responding to your opinion on how she campaigned(I've already stated "the she did it first" defense is immature)

    The point was and is the media has not limited the attacks to her.

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    Piper is adorable (none / 0) (#61)
    by cawaltz on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 11:35:08 AM EST
    and she was the one that accompanied her mother to the Autism Awareness rally. David Letterman was too dumb to realize that Bristol wasn't even with Sarah.

    Not that it would have have made it okay had Bristol accompanied her. The only people who find the idea of "rape" funny are twisted perverts. I was disgusted when Silverman did it during the primaries and I am equally disgusted with Letterman.

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    I stand corrected (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 11:59:16 AM EST
    I said you had pushed the limit of hyperbole by saying "Letterman attacked Piper". By throwing "rape" in there, you have now officially jumped the hyperbole shark. I'll pass on any further discussion on this because it's apparent you suffer from the same stir it up where there is nothing to stir that inflicts Palin.

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    Not the most (none / 0) (#70)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 02:05:25 PM EST
    reliable source.

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