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Friday Night Open Thread: How Does It Feel?

By Jeralyn, Section Media
Posted on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 08:41:23 PM EST
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How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?

Bob Dylan found out today when stopped by a 24 year old police officer and asked for identification. He had no ID on him, but said he was Bob Dylan and that he was just taking a stroll before his show. The police officer still didn't recognize him. She and another officer took him back to the hotel where he was vouched for by tour staff. The officer said he was very polite.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    That's funny. (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by hitchhiker on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 10:22:09 PM EST
    My husband said, "Good thing the cop didn't ask him to sing something to prove he was a singer on tour . . . "

    Then we congratulated ourselves on having raised a couple of young women (19 and 21) who not only know who Dylan is but can sing all the words to a few of his songs with us when friends are over.

    He's coming to Seattle in October, and I'm going to be there.  I'm glad he didn't get tazed.

    Woodstock (5.00 / 0) (#10)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 10:35:19 PM EST
    Crosby Stills and Nash; Back to the Garden.

    via emptywheel

    Oh Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 10:47:23 PM EST
    And not to forget this version by Joni Mitchell the author of the song.

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    speaking of Joni (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 01:13:58 AM EST
    check out this version of her and Johnny Cash singing "Long Black Veil." It starts around 15 seconds in and really gets going around the second verse.

    Johnny:

    The Judge said son, what is your alibi,
    if you were somewhere else, then you won't have to die.
    I spoke not a word, though it meant my life,
    for I'd been in the arms of my best friends wife.

    Joni:

    Now the scaffold is high, and eternity's near.
    She stood in the crowd, and shed not a tear.
    But some times at night, when the cold wind moans
    In a long black veil, she cries over my bones


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    Wow That Was Great (none / 0) (#69)
    by squeaky on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 01:32:03 PM EST
    Here is Dylan and Cash 1969 first Cash show..

    5:18 time mark

    One too many mornings.



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    Best version ever (none / 0) (#33)
    by Spamlet on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 12:16:48 AM EST


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    Crosby turned 68 Friday (5.00 / 0) (#35)
    by ruffian on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 12:38:38 AM EST
    Heard that on NPR first thing in the morning, so i got to feel old all day.

    I think he has about the most under-rated voice in rock. Love that guy!

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    WTF Ashton Kutscher?? (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by GGINPB on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 10:36:34 PM EST
    Just saw him on Bill Maher and was shocked to learn that although he's "socially liberal and fiscally conservative" the social liberalism apparently doesn't extend to health care. If you smoked and/ or are fat and poor, too bad. It's your own fault and he shouldn't have to pay for your lifestyle choices. A comedian named Dana Gould was on later and talked about being in LA where medical volunteers were helping poor people waiting on long lines. He said the difference between them and those at the mob rallies was mainly that the latter were really angry and the former were hopeful. I though Ashton would feel (or at least express) remorse but when he spoke again he talked about some book he'd read which explained that Hitler actually did take similar ideas for health care to the German people, although he did say that he wasn't comparing Obama to Hitler. Wow.

    And, you were of the impression that (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 10:57:49 PM EST
    Ashton Kutcher was a smart and generous person because......?

    There was a segment on the news last night about the free medical and dental you mentioned. They said they could have filled the place with patients every day for over a month and still not gotten all who needed it. I think they treated over 1,000 people a day.

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    Makes you want to be able to wave (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by MO Blue on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 11:22:47 PM EST
    a magic wand and put people like Kutscher in the shoes of the working poor for a couple of years.

    It is over 65 years since the death of Hitler, and Germany currently has a single payer health care system. People over a current income level can opt out and purchase private insurance but most chose not to do so. Maybe what Obama needs to do is to adopt Germany's current health care system so that he can be identified with the new Germany and not the old. :)

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    A granny, my new fave blogger (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Cream City on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 12:47:50 AM EST
    wrote wonderfully this week about some protesters.  The blog actually is exchanges between two grannies, friends since girlhood and far apart for decades but now staying in touch via this new-fangled technology.  Granny #1 writes:

    Let's be clear about something:  if you show up to a town hall meeting with a gun strapped to your leg, the point you are trying to make isn't a good one.  Fear never produced anything worthwhile.  And what's all this crap about killing your grandmother?  Are these people honestly that stupid?  This has become less an argument about health care reform and more a statement about our failed education system.

    Margaret, I don't know what plans you've made up there with Howard, but down here with Harold, we have living wills to determine how we will leave this world when the time comes.  Mine states that unless the feeding tube is large enough for a piece of pie, I don't want to be hooked up to it.  Harold, of course, says his can only be connected to him if the other end is connected to a bottle of single malt scotch.

    Now shame on me for making a joke about a serious subject, but if these morons are going to show up and scream at their elected officials, they need to educate themselves about the subject at hand.   No one is planning on killing you or your grandmother with rationed health care or death squads. . . .  The Founding Fathers couldn't have seen this coming.  If they had, the right to free speech would have been conditional upon one's ability to read. . . .

    Somehow, I was reminded of this when reading about Ashton Kutcher.  I hope that granny writes about him tomorrow. :-)

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    Great sense of humor (none / 0) (#39)
    by MO Blue on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 12:57:03 AM EST
    Bet Granny #1 and her husband, Harold, would be fun guests at a party.

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    Really good (none / 0) (#40)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 01:02:05 AM EST
    sensible and a sense of humor, thanks for sharing it.

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    I'm catching up on past posts (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by Cream City on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 01:24:25 AM EST
    by the grannies, and I just don't know where to start:

        * I remember an America where black men didn't grow up to be President.
        * The President Acted Stupidly
        * Rush Limbaugh is Bigger than Walter Cronkite
        * The Appreciation or Depreciation of Michael Jackson
        * My Big Fat A**
        * Pat Buchanan is a Cracker
        * Summer of Love
        * Life's a b*itch . . . and so is Dick Cheney.

    They revive my life ambition, which grows ever nearer, to be that most-feared thing in America:  "A woman of a certain age."  I love that old term.  Called my BFF today and told her I know what we're going to do when we're finally retired and grannies.  We're going to blog! and that's going to be the name of ours.

    It will terrorize our kids, but our grandkids will love it.  It's the grandson of one of the grannies who set up this blog, because he wanted the world to hear her wisdom that he overheard for years in her phone calls to her friend.

    Btw, they're both in their '80s, and the logo of the blog is the grannies on their scooters, those ones you see on teevee.  But they're scootering off a cruise ship!

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    Do you have a link? (none / 0) (#73)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 02:51:33 PM EST
    to that blog??

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    Margaret and Helen (none / 0) (#75)
    by Cream City on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 07:01:50 PM EST
    here.  Enjoy.

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    I just watched it too (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 11:07:25 PM EST
    It was pretty sad.  And wasn't it wonderful how Bill explained to everyone that once upon a time Brad Pitt rolled utterly perfect joints one after another like a machine?  Sometimes Bill Maher doesn't seem too bright either.

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    He tweeted today that he (none / 0) (#24)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 11:23:09 PM EST
    was going to be on the show and knew nothing about the bill. So he started doing research (he said.) But he didn't know where to look. Then he found Obama's new site and said he was all up to speed. (this is series of his tweets today.)

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    Bob and the officer (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 10:45:28 PM EST
    Will be having beers at the WH on Thursday.

    Tangled up in NYPD Blue.

    the officer/drink/white house (none / 0) (#25)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 11:23:41 PM EST
    comment was very funny, loved it.

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    Glad to give you a chuckle J (none / 0) (#29)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 11:45:55 PM EST
    Have a good weekend there in lovely CO!

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    This is horrible (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by MO Blue on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 12:50:56 AM EST
    Afghanistan has quietly passed a law permitting Shia men to deny their wives food and sustenance if they refuse to obey their husbands' sexual demands, despite international outrage over an earlier version of the legislation which President Hamid Karzai had promised to review. -

    The new final draft of the legislation also grants guardianship of children exclusively to their fathers and grandfathers, and requires women to get permission from their husbands to work.

    "It also effectively allows a rapist to avoid prosecution by paying 'blood money' to a girl who was injured when he raped her," the US charity Human Rights Watch said.  Guardian
    Pay "to the girl"? (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Fabian on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 06:42:10 AM EST
    Yeah, right.  That money is usually paid to the family (father) of the girl.  I've never heard of the money being paid directly to the female victim.

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    Cream City (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by jbindc on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 08:56:25 AM EST
    Heard from a little bird that we missed your birthday!  Hope you had a good one, Leo!

    What the heck (none / 0) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 09:30:50 AM EST
    Trying to age in private?  Happy Bday Cream City!

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    Hmmmm....I thought (none / 0) (#71)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 02:45:15 PM EST
    it was about to arrive, but not for another couple weeks.

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    You are correct, Inspector! (none / 0) (#76)
    by Cream City on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 07:03:09 PM EST
    Not sure how the date got wrong somewhere.

    But the good wishes are most welcome, and at my advancing age, why not start celebrating early?!

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    Good One (none / 0) (#1)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 09:11:56 PM EST
    Hope he writes a song about it.

    They stone you when you're walking down the street (none / 0) (#57)
    by ruffian on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 10:37:11 AM EST


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    Reading that Dylan is 68 (none / 0) (#2)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 09:13:52 PM EST
    should have made me feel young, but it just makes me feel kinda old...

    Sorry to learn that taking a stroll these days is enough to get one stopped by the police.

    Not a random stop (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by MO Blue on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 09:38:27 PM EST
    The police were responding to a complaint.

    Rock legend Bob Dylan was treated like a complete unknown by police in a New Jersey shore community when a resident called to report someone wandering around the neighborhood.
    ...
    The incident began at 5 p.m. (2100 GMT) when a resident said a man was wandering around a low-income, predominantly minority neighborhood several blocks from the oceanfront looking at houses.



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    In other words you are saying (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Jen M on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 10:10:58 AM EST
    "taking a stroll these days is enough to get one stopped by the police."


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    People seem to be concluding (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Bemused on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 10:21:58 AM EST
     that something occurred that is not apparent from the report. This is not a "stop" unless a reasonable person in his position would not feel free to leave. Nothing in the report makes that conclusion warranted.

       If when asked who he is he declined to answer and said please leave me alone (or, said he was the ghost of Cesar Romero and looking for Batman) and the cops did not allow him to go his way that would be a stop. The police are not forbidden from asking questions of totally innocent people. They can be forbidden from insisting on answers if the person refuses.  

       Without facts to support the conclusion that the police did not allow him to leave when he expressed that desire there is simply no abuse by the cops in this situation.

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    If a cop stops me (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Jen M on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 10:45:56 AM EST
    I would consider myself stopped, even though I am free to go on my own way (which, I don't know when I can and can't)

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    Well, (none / 0) (#59)
    by Bemused on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 11:00:14 AM EST
     the simple solution is when a cop approaches you and asks a question tell him you decline to answer and tell him you want to leave. If he says yes, then there is no problem. If he says no, then he will have to later articulate a reasonable suspicion to believe you were engaged in criminal activity to justify not allowing you to leave.
       

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    coo, thanks (none / 0) (#65)
    by Jen M on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 01:19:17 PM EST
    good to know.

    Not that I have that much occasion to test that out but its good to know :)

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    TalklLeft does not give (none / 0) (#68)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 01:27:41 PM EST
    legal advice so please do not take that comment as advice as to what you should do in any given situation.

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    understood n/t (none / 0) (#74)
    by Jen M on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 03:04:32 PM EST


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    a stop is not an arrest (none / 0) (#62)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 01:02:04 PM EST
    "This is not a "stop" unless a reasonable person in his position would not feel free to leave."

    It is still a "stop", it's just not an arrest in that instance.

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    no, (none / 0) (#63)
    by Bemused on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 01:04:12 PM EST
     a question is not a "stop." Insistence-- or creating the reasonable perception of insistence  that the person remain is a stop.

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    come on (none / 0) (#66)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 01:24:44 PM EST
    a stop occurs when you are walking down the street and you are approached by a cop who asks you for identification. He is stopping you to ask for identification. It is not an arrest unless a reasonable person in that situation would not feel free to leave.

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    FI. Field identification. (none / 0) (#67)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 01:26:20 PM EST


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    not necessarily and (none / 0) (#70)
    by Bemused on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 01:34:27 PM EST
     this situation (based on incomplete info) is one where it does not sound like a stop. The police approached him and asked a question. there is nothing to suggest that he did not voluntarily answer the question or was made to feel he was not free to leave without complying if that was his desire.

       If the police demand that you produce ID and won't allow you to leave w/o doing so that is unquestionably a stop. Here, if after saying he was Bob Dylan taking a walk and looking at a house but he didn't have ID, the police insisted on taking him to get ID when he wanted just to leave that would be a stop, but if they just said do you mind if we give you a ride back to the hotel to make sure and did so in a manner that a reasonable person would feel he had a choice about it, it would not be a "stop."

      Surely, you have litigated Terry stop and frisks where the court concluded that the initial approach did not violate any rigt of the defendant but then concluded that later acts of the cops did and suppressed evidence obtained after that point. I'm sure you've also had cases where courts (and i hate this) concluded that it was exactly the defendant's alleged response to the initial approach that created the reasonable suspicion to conduct the frisk.

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    That will teach me not to (none / 0) (#5)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 09:42:37 PM EST
    follow the links, lol - thanks for the clarification!

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    What clarification, what complaint? (none / 0) (#7)
    by jerry on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 10:18:38 PM EST
    A [white] guy is walking around a low income predominantly minority neighborhood is a reason for a stop?

    That's as wrong as it is when the races are reversed:

    A [black] guy is walking around a high income predominantly white neighborhood is a reason for a stop?

    Walking around is a reason for a stop?  Here's Woody Guthrie:

    This land is your land, this land is my land
    From California, to the New York Island
    From the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters
    This land was made for you and me

    As I was walking a ribbon of highway
    I saw above me an endless skyway
    I saw below me a golden valley
    This land was made for you and me

    Chorus

    As I was walkin'  -  I saw a sign there
    And that sign said - no tress passin'
    But on the other side  .... it didn't say nothin!
    Now that side was made for you and me!

    Chorus

    In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple
    Near the relief office - I see my people
    And some are grumblin' and some are wonderin'
    If this land's still made for you and me.

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    Will try this one more time (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by MO Blue on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 10:36:14 PM EST
    A resident called the police to report someone wandering around the neighborhood looking at houses. It is my understanding that once a complaint is called in, that it is the responsibility of the police to investigate.

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    Less than the Terry stop threshold (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Ben Masel on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 09:18:09 AM EST
    and thus less than the standard established in Hiibel for a requirement to identify yourself.

    Further, even when that threshold is met, there's no obligation to identify via a phiscal ID. The State does not issue Pedestrian Licenses.

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    I guess I still don't understand the complaint (none / 0) (#13)
    by jerry on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 10:41:41 PM EST
    How is the behavior described by the article "The incident began at 5 p.m. (2100 GMT) when a resident said a man was wandering around a low-income, predominantly minority neighborhood several blocks from the oceanfront looking at houses" constitute a complaint of anything?

    He's not accused of breaking into homes.  He's not accused of buying drugs.  He's the wrong color apparently and looking at homes.  Why does this constitute anything for the police to investigate, and having rolled a car, why do they need to do anything but talk to the guy.  Where is there any requirement to have ID on you?

    I am not a lawyer of any sort, but this seems wrong, and clearly wrong if we switch the races, incomes, neighborhood, etc.

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    First, you do not KNOW the (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by MO Blue on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 10:59:19 PM EST
    race or ethnicity of the resident who called in the complaint. He/she could have been white, African American, Hispanic, or Asian. Second, a person wandering around the neighborhood could have been casing the homes with the intent to break in and commit a robbery. There may have been recent activity of that sort in the neighborhood. Third and most relevant, whether the resident was justified in calling the police or not, once a complaint is called in, the police are required to investigate.

       

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    I don't think I've said anything about the race (none / 0) (#19)
    by jerry on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 11:02:57 PM EST
    of the person who called in the complaint.

    I just don't understand the complaint.  Someone calls into the cops, someone is wandering around my neighborhood, and the cops consider that a complaint?

    "Sir, what is this person doing?"
    "Sir, he's just walking around?"
    "Sir, walking around is not a crime."

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    No, but you said this: (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 11:20:49 PM EST
    "he's the wrong color apparently," - in whose eyes, the person who called in, or the cop who responded to the call?

    A guy walking around a neighborhood, minding his own business, should not raise any alarms, but for someone in that neighborhood, it did - hence the call to the cops.  I live in an area where it would be unusual to see someone wandering the street, and if I called the cops, I would expect them to check it out, not effectively tell me I was wasting their time.

    As has been pointed out, it's the cops' job to respond, not to make dismissive judgments over the phone.  And as has also been pointed out, you don't know the recent history of the area, either.

    I didn't understand the stop, either, until I had more facts; the only thing that makes this newsworthy is that it was Dylan.


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    the eyes of the newspaper article (none / 0) (#26)
    by jerry on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 11:28:57 PM EST
    if newspaper article had eyes.

    I'm saying the explanation in the newspaper article, and it's not clear if that's from the cops or the reporter, doesn't actually give a valid explanation of why there was a stop.

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    I agree Jerry (5.00 / 0) (#22)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 11:21:38 PM EST
    The police should have asked what was susicious about the person walking through the neighborhood. You do have a right to walk on any public street you want to. Now if someone thought he had Alzheimer's and might be lost, that would be one thing. But to call the police because someone you've never seen before is strolling down the street, that's not something police dollars should be going to.  

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    Do you object to Neighborhood (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 11:33:31 PM EST
    Watch-type programs, Jeralyn?  

    I think people have a right to feel safe in their homes and their neighborhoods, and one of the smartest things people can do is be aware of people they don't normally see in their neighborhood, who don't appear to be there for any particular purpose.

    I'm not at all in favor of a police state, but I would want the police to respect that I know my area better than they do, and if I call with a concern, I would hope they would do me the courtesy of checking it out.


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    yes I object to those programs (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 11:55:13 PM EST
    The same way I objected to Bush's planned Operation TIPS. Being different is not a crime. If you see criminal activity report it. If you see someone different in your neighborhood who is not engaging in criminal activity, don't drag the cops into it.

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    Those typically only get organized (none / 0) (#72)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 02:50:38 PM EST
    after a string of robberies have taken place in a neighborhood. Particularly if those have been home invasions, which involve the people being home and terrorized during the robbery.


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    On this we will have to disagree (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by MO Blue on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 11:51:50 PM EST
    Several years ago we had a couple of breaks ins in my neighborhood. My neighbor thought a couple was behaving in a suspicious manner when walking around and called the police. Thanks to their call and the quick response of the police, the thieves were caught in my house.  My door was damaged and I felt a certain sense of violation because my home was invaded. If my neighbor had decided not to get involved or if the police had blown them off, I could have lost a lot more and the thieves would have been free to continue their activities.

     

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    I wrote a lot about (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 11:58:44 PM EST
    my own home invasion last November. I lost a lot of valuables in the robbery and it was at 1pm in the afternoon. I still would not favor calling the police because an unfamiliar person who wasn't dressed like he/she lived there (or whatever it was in Dylan's case that attracted the resident's suspicion) was observed. If you see someone breaking in the door, that's one thing. Strolling down the street, looking at houses is another.

    That's way too slippery a slope to go down in my view.

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    Cop did think it might be Alzheimer's (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by Cream City on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 01:03:25 AM EST
    or the like, from looking up more articles on this.  And she does know who Bob Dylan is, but he didn't look like Dylan that day (see my comment below on how he looks on tour).

    Here's a bit more about how it looked to the cop:

    It was pouring rain, Dylan was soaked and wandering alone, far from the traveling home of his entourage of tour buses.  When Dylan wandered into the yard of a home that had a "For Sale" sign on it, the home's occupants became spooked by his appearance and called police with a report of an "eccentric-looking old man" in their yard, Long Branch Police said. . . .

    But officer Buble said the man told her he was Bob Dylan.  "We got a call for a suspicious person,'' Buble said. "It was pouring rain outside, and I was right around the corner so I responded. By that time he was walking down the street. I asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood and he said he was looking at a house for sale."

    "I asked him what his name was and he said, 'Bob Dylan,' Buble said. "Now, I've seen pictures of Bob Dylan from a long time ago and he didn't look like Bob Dylan to me at all. He was wearing black sweatpants tucked into black rain boots, and two raincoats with the hood pulled down over his head. . . ."



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    I don't have a problem (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Bemused on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 09:45:43 AM EST
     with a cop responding to a complaint from a resident. Then asking him who he is and what he is doing is fine. If the "suspicious person" voluntarily answers that is fine as well. The problem arises if the "suspicious person" who is doing nothing wrong and giving no reason for a REASONABLE suspicion declines to cooperate and then the cop detains him. Dylan was under no obligation to identify himself or help verify it once he did but it doesn't sound as if he was detained against his will due to force or coercion.

       Here, it sounds like Dylan simply chose to cooperate. He was likely amused and maybe, given the weather, happy to have a ride back to the hotel.

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    I suspect he was amused too (n/t) (none / 0) (#61)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 12:59:28 PM EST


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    Or (none / 0) (#64)
    by squeaky on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 01:06:53 PM EST
    More interested in avoiding any further scrutiny, iow cooperation on the ID seemed the path of least resistance.

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    that makes more sense (none / 0) (#42)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 01:05:32 AM EST
    and doesn't suprise me. I figured he must have been dressed oddly and let's face it, he's no youngster.

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    Well, he was an eccentric-looking (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Cream City on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 01:28:27 AM EST
    young man, so it makes sense that now he is . . . yeh, it makes sense.  And in the other articles, it sounds like the cop simply was concerned and doing a check to be sure he was okay.  Btw, the incident occurred a month ago, so Dylan doesn't seem upset by it.

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    State of Mind (none / 0) (#3)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 09:26:04 PM EST
    My guess is that Dylan does think of himself as old..

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    Correction (none / 0) (#60)
    by squeaky on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 12:31:29 PM EST
    My guess is that Dylan does not think of himself as old..

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    those who rat on others, etc. (none / 0) (#6)
    by mikeel on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 09:52:11 PM EST
    Someone called 911 because he/she took exception to a lane change that I made and thought I was a drunk driver.  I wound up spending five hours in local jail (Huntington Beach)--and I'm sill upset about it.

    Don't they have better things to do?

    And I had a bad dream early this morning about a sudden Obama resignation in 2011.  His messaging is better, but all over the place on health care.  Unless there's a "come to Jesus" moment, health care reform is dead.  We all knew from the start that Baucus' committee is where reform came to die, and Obama twiddled.

    How about two bus loads (none / 0) (#15)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 10:46:56 PM EST
    of Acron and union members from Pittsburgh?

    Think that improves things?

    Pittsburgh is not in the area (none / 0) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 07:47:54 AM EST
    where the town hall was taking place. So what we have is people bussed in to counter the people who live there.

    That is astroturfing at its best.

    Since you brought up physical violence....I have no information of anti-health care voters beating up the opposition as pro-health care forces did at Tampa and St Louis.

    I'm all for letting people scream at their Congresscritters and the President. To me they are the modern equivalent of the Roman slave who stood by Caesar whispering in his ear, "You are not a God.'

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    Kids today. Jeez. (none / 0) (#28)
    by lobary on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 11:36:30 PM EST
    How stupid do you have to be to not know who Bob Dylan is?

    Bob. Freaking. Dylan. Okay, you may not know his music, but if you are in any way a breathing person connected to pop culture in its most rudimentary form, there are certain famous people EVERYONE knows. Bob Dylan is one of them.

    Now please get off my damn lawn.

    My daughter knows who he is (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Cream City on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 12:55:15 AM EST
    quite well, was raised on his music, loves it -- and certainly would recognize him if he still looked like the album covers she saw growing up.

    However, when he was in our town for a concert last year and came in the restaurant where she was manager, she didn't know it was Dylan until she was told after he left.  In addition to looking a lot older than the guy on my albums -- albums older than she is -- it turns out that he often has a way of dressing down, wearing a cap, and other tactics to go quite incognito on tour.

    Daughter was mortified, though, and apologized to her mother for missing the opportunity of a lifetime to be able to say that she met Dylan.  

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    I would know the name (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 07:55:19 AM EST
    as apparently the policewoman did.

    But I wouldn't know a 68 year old Bob Dylan by his appearance and would really have no reason to.

    BTW - 29 year old "kids" were born the year Reagan won the Pres.... Scary, eh?

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    I wouldn't recognize him (none / 0) (#55)
    by Jen M on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 10:12:49 AM EST
    Now or 30 years ago.

    Not that much into music.

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    Hard Knocks (none / 0) (#34)
    by ruffian on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 12:30:20 AM EST
    Left HBO on after Bill Maher and am watching Hard Knocks - Cinn Bengals Training Camp. I haven't paid that much attention to football in the last few years, but this is pretty good.  I like the fast talking wide receiver with a way with words, Chad 'Ocho Cinco' Johnson. I can see where he might get on people's nerves, but he seems like a decent guy and is pretty funny Maybe I'll follow his tweets!

    This might be my new reality TV show.

    So people just walking around need to (none / 0) (#77)
    by No Blood for Hubris on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 07:28:19 PM EST
    carry IDs?  When did that happen?

    Kolender v. Lawson (none / 0) (#78)
    by domer5000 on Sun Aug 16, 2009 at 09:20:52 AM EST
    Kolender v. Lawson (I think is the case) says you cant be arrested for failure to have an ID, as I recall,  Involved a guy from Berkeley who liked to ramble around town at all hours of the day and night.  Used to see him in the Boalt Hall law library doing research.

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