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By Big Tent Democrat, Section Other Politics
Posted on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 01:48:46 PM EST
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While there is much to loathe about New Jersey Democratic officials (a lot of crooks -- you can look up how many of them are in jail now (google Hudson County executive + jail)), but one thing they do know how to do is rip the bark off of Republicans. Gov. Jon Corzine is now in a dead heat with Christie:

A new survey conducted for Stan Greenberg and James Carville’s organization Democracy Corps by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research shows Democratic Governor Jon Corzine narrowing the gap on Republican challenger Chris Christie in the race for Governor. Christie’s lead has shrunk from five points to two points since our last survey two weeks ago, and he now leads 43 to 41 percent, with independent Chris Daggett taking 7 percent of the vote.

Jersey Dems do not worry what David Broder thinks.

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    Yup. (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by scribe on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 02:06:35 PM EST
    You oughta go over by Emptywheel's place to see the bark-ripping that's going on over Christie, his executive assistant, and Christie's thing for driving cars while the registration and insurance are ... invalid.

    And, from the looks of it, there's a lot more to come.

    After Labor Day, when people are watching.

    The thing is, Democratic politics in the Garden State - especially in the bluer-than-blue parts where most of those corruption allegations landed (no coincidence that co-location, BTW - Christie was hunting Dems, and only Dems) - are played by full-contact, no-pads rules.  And that's among the Dems.  Once a Republican raises their head, like a family with four or five squabbling brothers and a bunch of cousins the Dems remember which family they belong to, deal with that impertinent Republican, and then return to their intra-familial squabbling.

    Leaves a lot of smoking ruins of Republicans, BTW.

    Works for me. (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by oldpro on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 02:32:39 PM EST
    But that's the Irish talking.

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    Bingo (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 02:20:36 PM EST
    I was just saying to gyrfalcon last night that I wished the national Democrats would learn to fight like the Jersey ones do.  

    To be fair (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 02:41:25 PM EST
    the Jersey Dems are great at throwing sharp elbows during election season, but that doesn't always translate into the same sort of action on policy matters.  Corzine hasn't been awful as Governor, but I wouldn't say he's exactly been a street fighter either.  And Menendez and Lautenberg rolled over for the Military Commissions Act right before the 2006 election just as you'd expect a wimpy pol to do.  When it comes to campaigning, though, yeah watch out!

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    let's just say (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 02:46:01 PM EST
    that I wish I could combine the Jersey style of campaigning with the Henry Waxman style of legislating and governing.

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    RCP always tells the story (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Slado on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 04:46:27 PM EST
    RCP Average

    Not sure what your argument is BTD.  National Democrats need to be more corrupt?

    I would like to keep New Jersey politicians in New Jersey if at all possible.  

    Having been born and raised in NJ (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by rdandrea on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 09:39:01 PM EST
    And having followed NJ politics closely since I left, I wholeheartedly agree with this comment.

    It doesn't matter what a politician believes if that politician is dishonest.

    Unfortunately, in New Jersey, dishonest politicians represent a much higher than normal fraction of the total.

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    Averages work--until they don't (none / 0) (#18)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 04:50:12 PM EST
    They're no good for rapid shifts. Christie isn't freaking out for no reason.

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    Do you (none / 0) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 02:32:29 PM EST
    think you could get a skywriter and have that blazened across DC? I can hear it now about how that statement gives the DC group the vapors.

    The "vapors" (none / 0) (#10)
    by MKS on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 02:57:19 PM EST
    When Scarlett would say that, I thought it meant she was going to faint from surprise or shock....

    But, no, the actual Victorian idiom meant flatulence....not so interesting...it was the ladylike way of saying "I have a headache" in order to excuse oneself from a social gathering.  Fiddle-dee-dee indeed!

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    Well (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 03:02:33 PM EST
    thanks for info. I think Scarlett did mean she was going to faint from shock. I guess it took on a new meaning in the victorian era.

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    I'm waiting for the pictures of Christie with (none / 0) (#5)
    by steviez314 on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 02:36:42 PM EST
    Meadow Soprano.

    On the way. (none / 0) (#6)
    by scribe on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 02:39:16 PM EST
    Just as soon as the Photoshop expert gets done making them....

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    Not to throw stones, but (none / 0) (#7)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 02:40:15 PM EST
    he is the right. . .size.

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    I first read BTD's link words as (none / 0) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 03:33:32 PM EST
    Gov. Joh Corzine is now dead....something heat....Christie.  So that's ripping the bark off? :)

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    When you're coming back from like (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by scribe on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 03:41:17 PM EST
    15 points down, it is.

    And, when you consider Christie made a couple cardinal mistakes, the first of which is being a protege of Rove and Bush and the second is making personal ethics the centerpiece of his campaign so far, well, you can get the idea that maybe, just maybe, he is going to have his personal life flayed in public for all to see.

    Wait.  Watch.  Bring a newspaper to shield yourself from the blood splatters when you sit ringside.

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    BTW, you can see (none / 0) (#12)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 03:04:04 PM EST
    where Christie's problem is.

    For some reason, GQR doesn't show crosstabs, but the last R2K poll had most of the undecideds as likely Democratic voters (blacks, latinos, liberals). Christie wants some Obama crossover magic. But I don't think he's going to get it--especially because of Corzine's ad that's in constant circulation featuring the President.

    Whoops, (none / 0) (#13)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 03:08:22 PM EST
    GQR crosstabs here.

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    The fact that people (none / 0) (#16)
    by lilburro on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 04:36:37 PM EST
    are apparently (almost) ready to vote Republican in NJ means we have done a pretty sh*tty job of building the party brand.  Seriously, what kind of person thinks ANY Republican has a vision now?

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    Some may love to mock New Jersey, but... (none / 0) (#19)
    by pluege on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 07:42:19 PM EST
    Rush Holt is THE VERY BEST Representative in the nation.

    Lautenberg and Menendez are reliable Democrats, often even progressive.

    Corzine, too is general progressive (if not the sharpest tool in the shed).

    There is no better representation in the nation than Holt's district in New Jersey.

    Beats the h*ll out of my (none / 0) (#20)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 07:47:11 PM EST
    representation at least in the senate... Jefferson Beauregard Sessions and the Quisling Richard Shelby.

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