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The great historian Sean Wilentz:

When [Franklin] Pierce ran for president in 1852, Lincoln, naturally, campaigned against him. . . . Lincoln limited himself to a long speech in Springfield . . . The speech did nothing to affect the outcome of the election, in Illinois or in the country at large. But it deserves to be remembered in these days of Lincoln idolatry, because it can be disturbing reading to anyone inclined to worship Father Abraham.

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. . . Lincoln attacked Pierce not as a slaveholders' tool, but as a Yankee who had flattered anti-slavery northerners. Lincoln specifically charged that Pierce had expressed a "loathing" for the Fugitive Slave Law . . . . [Pierce] did so, Lincoln charged, in an effort to pick up votes outside the Democrats' base in the deep South. Lincoln even claimed that the northerner Pierce's "efficacy" at winning anti-slavery votes "was the very thing that secured his nomination."

. . . My point in re-telling this story is not to try, yet again, to debunk Lincoln's reputation for probity and sagacity, and for perfect enlightenment on racial issues. The defamatory image of Lincoln as a conventional white racist, whose chief cause was self-aggrandizement, is even more absurd than the awestruck hagiographies that have become ubiquitous in this anniversary year. My point is simpler and larger. It is that Abraham Lincoln was, first and foremost, a politician.

(Emphasis supplied.) Indeed. Pols are pols and do what they do.

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    Gates-gate connection (5.00 / 0) (#1)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 03:09:54 PM EST
    Professor Gates wrote a response to the Wilentz essay.

    Ooh, academic fight! (none / 0) (#2)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 03:14:42 PM EST
    Nice (none / 0) (#3)
    by Steve M on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 03:32:12 PM EST
    I don't have the time right now to make it through Wilentz' entire essay, but there's some good stuff in here.  An excerpt:

    Without question, what Lincoln called "public sentiment" is and always has been a key battleground; and insofar as agitators such as the abolitionists affect that sentiment, they have a crucial role to play in democratic politics (as Lincoln also recognized). But it is one thing to acknowledge the effects of outsiders and radicals and quite another to vaunt their supposed purity in order to denigrate mainstream politics and politicians. The implication of this anti-political or meta-political narrative is that the outsiders are the truly admirable figures, whereas presidents are merely the outsiders' lesser, reluctant instruments. Anyone who points out the obvious fact that, without a politically supple, energetic, and devoted president, change will never come, runs the risk of being branded an elitist or worse. (Hillary Clinton discovered as much during last year's presidential primaries, when she spoke admiringly about how Johnson pushed through the Civil Rights Act of 1964.) Lincoln may be the only one of these presidents who, having seen the light, went on to earn a kind of secular sainthood; but his redemption from grubby politics and self-interested prudence had to precede his martyrdom and canonization. That redemption came as a result of the dramatic resistance of the lowly slaves, and of the words and the actions of uncompromising abolitionists...

    Like the Mugwumps, many present-day American historians assume that political calculation, opportunism, careerism, and duplicity negate idealism and political integrity. Like the Mugwumps, they charge that the similarities between the corrupt major political parties overwhelm their differences. Like the Mugwumps, they equate purposefulness with political purity. Consequently, their writings slight how all great American leaders, including many of the outsiders they idealize, have relied on calculation, opportunism, and all the other democratic political arts in order to advance their loftiest and most controversial goals. And they slight how the achievement of America's greatest advances, including the abolition of slavery, would have been impossible without the strenuous efforts of the calculators and the opportunists in the leadership of American politics.

    At its most straightforward, caustic, and predictable--as in the balefully influential works of Howard Zinn, who has described Lincoln as at best "a kind man" who had to be "pushed by the antislavery movement" into emancipation--this post-1960s populist history writing is just as skewed as the tendentious "great white male" historiography that it has supposedly discredited. Other populist historians are more generous, allowing Lincoln--and, occasionally, Franklin Roosevelt--to escape relatively unscathed, and even ennobled. But if it is history that we really care about, then we must recognize that the populist storyline of Lincoln's redemption and transfiguration, like the other versions, makes a hash of his actual life and times.

    By the way, it's not clear to me that Lincoln's speech on Pierce is inconsistent in any way with his subsequent position on slavery.  It seems entirely plausible, particularly given the deep understanding of partisanship Lincoln was to display later in his Cooper Union speech, that Lincoln would happily mock a member of the pro-slavery Democratic Party who was trying to have it both ways by expressing distaste for the Fugitive Slave Law.

    To put it in a modern context, you have one party that wants to preserve Social Security, and you have another party that wants to destroy it.  And just because a Democrat might mock George Bush for claiming he wants to "preserve and strengthen" Social Security, that doesn't mean the Democrat is against strengthening Social Security!  It just means he's willing to call out a politician who's trying to have it both ways.  If you oppose slavery, it does no good to put the pro-slavery party in power, even if they happen to put one of their more moderate members on the top of the ticket.

    But (none / 0) (#4)
    by squeaky on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 03:35:36 PM EST
    Jefferson did have a book of the most famous African American in his library, Phillis Wheatley, despite that he thought her derivative and spouting religion rather than poetry. For him she was yet additional proof that Blacks were an inferior race.

    Gates opines:

    If Phillis Wheatley was the Mother of African American literature, there's a sense in which Thomas Jefferson can be thought of as its midwife. Indeed, we could analyze, had we the time this evening, scores of commentators who sought to refute Jefferson's arguments in Query XIV, from the 1780s through the twentieth century. Moreover, Jefferson's comments about the role of their literature in any meaningful assessment of the African American's civil rights, became the strongest motivation for blacks to create a body of literature that would implicitly prove Jefferson wrong. This is Wheatley's, and Jefferson's, curious legacy in American literature.



    I never got the sense (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Steve M on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 03:47:47 PM EST
    that the issue of whether blacks were an inferior race, as offensive as the notion sounds today, was even considered open to serious dispute among the whites of Jefferson's day.  Why, a century later, Lincoln still had to pooh-pooh the ridiculous notion that he believed in "Negro equality" in order to be taken seriously as a politician.

    Your quote suggests that Jefferson did in fact have contemporaries who took the opposite position, who believed even in the 1780s that blacks were equally capable of creating great literature and such.  I'd be very interested in reading some of those arguments.  Maybe Gates has addressed them in more detail elsewhere.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#8)
    by squeaky on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 04:05:07 PM EST
    Well it makes sense that you would be surprised because most of history is the story written by the victor, or power that be at the time. That is why is it called His Story.

    Gates poststructural approach is interesting here, and I believe that a big part of his research is finding the other ...stories that give a broader picture of what it was like during a particular time.

    Thus his Rashomon approach in the forthcoming documentary inspired by the Crowley affair.

    Poststructuralism posits that there is no one story, the best we can do is look at as many different versions of a particular event in order to evaluate it.

    Given that I am sure that many did not believe that Blacks or Europeans were an inferior race. Lots of digging is required to salvage those voices. A hard task, given the example of the end of Wheatley's life and the fact that the manuscript dedicated to Ben Franklin was sold for a pittance and has never been seen again.


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    OT McCain will not vote for Sotomayor (none / 0) (#5)
    by Saul on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 03:44:20 PM EST
    as Darren Hutchinson writes in Dissenting Justice

    McCain thought Palin was fit for VP but Sotomayor is not fit for SCOTUS


    I respected John McCain prior to Bush (none / 0) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 12:31:59 AM EST
    and the rubber stamp Republican lock.  I'm such a romantic idealist I thought the old John would reemerge.  Not happening though is it?  Is he just going to get old and pissed "beyond reason" from here on out?

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    Current pols are pols (none / 0) (#7)
    by jbindc on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 04:04:24 PM EST
    White House has it's own "read my lips" moment.  Is this pols just being pols or will they live to regret this?

    The White House shot down concerns Monday that middle-class families may face a tax increase in order to combat rising deficits and a struggling economy.

    Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner says the stimulus plan is working, but tough choices may be ahead.

    "The president was clear during the campaign about his commitment on not raising taxes on middle-class families," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Monday afternoon. "I don't think any economist would believe that, in the environment that we're in, that raising taxes on middle-class families would make any sense."

    The concern came after the Obama administration's two top money men floated the idea that tax increases to fund the nation's economic recovery could extend beyond the wealthiest Americans.

    Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Larry Summers, director of the National Economic Council, said Sunday they could no longer guarantee the middle class will be spared a tax increase.

    "We have to do what's necessary," Geithner said on ABC's "This Week." "The critical thing is people understand that when we have recovery established -- led by the private sector -- and we have to bring these deficits down very dramatically ... we have to bring them down to a level where the amount we're borrowing from the world is stable and at a reasonable level."

    Geithner added that "very hard choices" need to be made in order to bring down the deficit.

    "And we're going to have to try and do that in a way that doesn't add unfairly to the burdens that the average American homeowner already faces."  
    Summers said on CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday that "there's a lot that can happen over time ... so it's never a good idea to absolutely ... rule things out no matter what."

    When pressed by reporters Monday on Geithner and Summers' comments, Gibbs said "They allowed themselves to get into a little hypothetical back-and-forth."

    "We do have big structural deficits that are going to have to be dealt with in order to meet the president's commitment of cutting this deficit," Gibbs said. "I think what they both talked about was ... we're not going to be able to sustain any kind of economic recovery until we do have a path towards fiscal responsibility. They also said that shouldn't be done as a way of burdening middle-class families."



    Well (5.00 / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 04:09:57 PM EST
    This is in theory, on topic, but let's not turn this into an Obama bash fest.

    My point is Lincoln, Obama or whomever your political hero is all do this.

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    Sorry (none / 0) (#10)
    by jbindc on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 04:13:13 PM EST
    wasn't meant as a bash fest - just that pols will say anything, even if it has already shown to come back and bite other pols on the butt.

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    BTD and I agree...Ding, Ding, Ding... (none / 0) (#11)
    by bocajeff on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 04:42:39 PM EST
    Hero worship tends to be blind - just look at the great FDR...

    Also, things must be looked at in the context of its times...

    The best thing about having your hero lose in an election is that you get to project the perfection of the candidates ideals versus the reality of the situation.

    The great Mark Twain said it truly well, (none / 0) (#12)
    by Gerald USN Ret on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 05:34:12 PM EST
    and I will try to just paraphrase here:

    ----"and he is a legislator and a liar,
    ----but then I repeat myself."

    None of us should forget that, or act shocked when our Idol's feet of clay show.

    In "Team of Rivals," Doris Kearns (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 07:26:07 PM EST
    Goodwin writes about Lincoln's stance on abolition, return of escaped slaves to their "owners," need not to be too far out on this subject, and his strategy to let others campaign on his behalf.  He would let them know what public positions he had taken, but urge them not to make any promises on his behalf.  And he did not campaign himself.  Very astute. And he did favor sending freed slaves to Africa. Frederick Douglass, a former slave, had a great influence on Lincoln later.

    Whipping out 'Team of Rivals' are you? (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 12:15:30 AM EST
    I only read it because of you :)  That was dedication of some sort

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    Did you enjoy the book? Actually, (none / 0) (#24)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 12:24:40 AM EST
    I listened to the CDs in the car.  Long song but I learned a bunch.

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    A LOT of learning (none / 0) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 12:26:22 AM EST
    As an adult of course it made perfect sense, but my inner child was who was taught everything Lincoln that I've always believed.

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    I know what you mean. I went to (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 12:41:58 AM EST
    grade school in the Land of Lincoln.  Springfield, w/frequent trips to New Salem.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#16)
    by squeaky on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 09:10:03 PM EST
    Talent is really important.

    interesting (none / 0) (#17)
    by The Last Whimzy on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 09:16:25 PM EST
    so how should we assess a pol who tells us he or she is more than just a pol?  are they just being pol when they say it?  are they lying?  have they actually convinced themselves they are something more and if so, are they functioning under some form of self-delusion?


    They aren't more than a pol (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 10:04:30 PM EST
    yes (none / 0) (#20)
    by The Last Whimzy on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 10:10:14 PM EST
    but are they lying or delusional?

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    You are a true believer like me (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 11:01:33 PM EST
    For this I am at the core of my being sorry, yet comforted.  I am not alone in my need to believe :)  As your first "sponsor" I have to break it to you though, there isn't a cure.  There are steps though that have led the afflicted to sanity.

    #1.  We admitted that our pols wanted the job of being the pol first and foremost and said and did whatever it took to get same job. They will eff us at the drop of a hat if it is beneficial to same job or keeping of same job or procurment of better job in politics in any way, shape, or form.

    #2.  We came to believe that a power greater than our belief in ponies would restore us to sanity.  We are not beautiful and unique snowflakes.  We are the same decaying organic matter as everyone else, and we are all part of the same compost pile.

    #3.  We made a conscious decision to turn our will and lives into consequences for pols.  Please feel free at this point to make any searching and fearless moral inventory of yourself and the pols you helped to elect.  

    #4.  On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero therefore Al Franken will eventually f*ck us.

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    ha ha (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by The Last Whimzy on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 11:41:10 PM EST
    ok.  ok.  i doubt myself a true believer.

    i used to believe all politicians, deep down, knew that was right and agreed with me on everything but they lacked the courage or were under the influence of lobbyists.  

    then it occured to me they believe in nothing and say what they say and do what they do only because it is politically advantageous for them to say and do those things.  therefore, i was somewhat empowered because despite the sheer wall of noise that exists in our society i could still endeavor to do my part in creating a political environment by which a politician would do the right thing because i helped make it politically expedient to do so.  i kinda liked that and won't discard it.

    but then, horror of horrors, it occured to me that politicians are just like me, fallible, having great ideas and vision about what they'd like to accomplish, but often lacking the capacity to make it happen in a complex world, let alone vis a vis a governmental apparatus (checks and balances) that was specifically set up in such a way to make it as difficult as possible to accomplish those things.

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    They are (none / 0) (#28)
    by cal1942 on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 01:43:50 AM EST
    simply telling us what we want to hear.

    Pols are pols because of us.

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    And the media. (none / 0) (#29)
    by Fabian on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 06:47:53 AM EST
    "sound bite" politics exist because of the media.  Viral garbage (numerous instances in 2008 & the runup to Iraq) exist because of the media.  The "new" media is no exception.

    Whenever media seeks to provoke a reaction (emo-media) instead of inform and educate, the public is ill served.

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    Lincoln was a pol (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 10:00:21 PM EST
    I have never doubted that after reading many enlightening truths since Obama began this Team of Rivals business that it seems to me Obama doesn't even understand but tries to appear that he does.  What Gates writes about Jefferson and what I know of the man....it seems to fit with the what I know of Jefferson's personal life and flaws we human beings are littered with.  I'm just a silly white girl stranded in America. What Gates writes of Lincoln, and his feeding on someone Lincoln felt was on the cusp of a new human understanding while he wrote the Proclimation of Emancipation, well why not? If you visit any of the great works of anyone considered "great" in the realm of psychology, everyone is in agreement that since birth I have been absorbing knowledge that will enable me to survive, blossom, and even triumph in my environment. I've always known that black people are different from me because they were darker in skin color.  It was a visual difference I could see. It was such a small thing to have me consider that they are inferior to me when they aren't employed in leadership roles in my vicinity since my birth.  They are school janitors, they clean up after me. Everyone that is except for Mr. Mays....don't know why he was able to break out so distinctly but he was and he did.  And he probably helped set me free as a woman as well, knowing him and loving him as I did from childhood.  If a black man dared to be who he was no matter what the world attempted to tell him he was or should be, perhaps a little white girl who grew into a woman in the midst of a Patriarchal society could do something that profound as well.