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Big Brother 11 is down to the final three: Kevin, Natalie and Jordan. Kevin won Tuesday's competition so tonight there will be a live competition tonight between Natalie and Jordan. They are all lying to each other about their alliances. I don't think anyone goes home tonight.

Next week, (9/15)the one in third place is evicted and then the jury (comprised of the last previously evicted contestants) votes for the winner. (Or something like that.) None of them belong in the final three, but Natalie is the worst. Kevin has lied a lot and Jordan is the nicest, but she hasn't won anything all season and isn't the brightest. It would have been much more interesting had Jesse, Russell, Michelle and/or Jeff made the finals. All told, I hope Jordan wins, but I'm okay if Kevin wins. If Natalie wins, it's a sign the show needs to do some serious re-tooling next year (It's already been renewed.)

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    PPP has some early results from (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by andgarden on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 07:07:44 PM EST
    it's poll of Rep. Wilson's district.

    in sum:

    so based on what we're seeing so far sounds like Wilson's constituents are with him on this one

    Thought so.

    Say hello to . . . (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by nycstray on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 07:19:58 PM EST
    NFL Football 2009!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Me, I'm going for 3-peat champ of my Fantasy league. Wish me luck please!!! My 1st opponent has already whined about how crappy his team is (he did auto draft). Uh, he had first pick and has AP and the rest of his team looks pretty good also. Methinks it's the girl thing. There's still one or 2 that don't like losing to "a girl" and my friend and I have noticed we always get "girl trade" offers (more so in baseball, oy!). {sigh} We've been playing together for years . . . Anyway, I'll be fighting to win the the whole thing just so Yahoo can send me yet another extra large T-shirt (105lbs here!) with a crappy logo, and, yes, bragging rights over some of those boys!

    Steelers seem to be struggling (none / 0) (#21)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 10:03:21 PM EST
    more than what I think most people expected, which, as a Ravens fan, is fine with me, lol.  

    One can never count the Steelers out,though, so I guess I should refrain from gloating until the clock ticks down to 0:00.

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    the economy can't be too healthy. (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 07:24:06 PM EST
    I saw an Armani suit today online for sale for less than $200. a 93 percent discount.

    Haberdashers must be running scared. No snark.

    It's not (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 07:26:49 PM EST
    At least not here in Ga. Every month the unemployment nubmers go up. I know of numerous people who have been looking for a job for a year with not even a bite.

    The best case scenario from the pundits is a jobless recovery? Give me a break.

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    I am SO lucky to be employed in my field. (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 07:35:15 PM EST
    With a substantial raise, also. either the grace of god, or the old saying it's an ill will...

    Karma.

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    Wait, didn't I hear (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by BrassTacks on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 12:54:45 AM EST
    last night that the President had saved us from the brink of disaster?  

    You wouldn't know that where I live.  

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    Did you buy it? (none / 0) (#19)
    by Radiowalla on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 09:48:19 PM EST
    I hope you bought two (none / 0) (#25)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 10:40:23 PM EST
    what a great deal.

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    If they're still there in October. (none / 0) (#36)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 07:34:49 AM EST
    I'm still recovering from unemployment insurance.

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    I... (none / 0) (#34)
    by weltec2 on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 04:57:13 AM EST
    don't think so. You may have a fake made somewhere for 25 cents.

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    So the cycle continues (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by mmc9431 on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 08:38:25 AM EST
    When Cheney allowed the energy companies to write the energy bill, Democrat's as well as the progressive blogs went ballistic. The issue even made it to the courts.

    So what do the Democrat's do on the center piece of their legislative agenda, the same d*mn thing. The fox is put in charge of guarding the hen house.

    Is this another example of change we can believe in?  

    strange (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 08:53:25 AM EST
    watching the replay of 9/11 this morning.  I couldnt tear myself away.


    Watching it on tv (none / 0) (#40)
    by CST on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 09:05:55 AM EST
    the first time was so haunting.  It felt like a movie, but obviouisly so much worse.  I still remember that day like it was yesterday.  I was still in H.S. and my friends and I went to this one girl's house after school to watch the news.  She lived in downtown Boston.  I have been there at 4am and seen more people on the streets than I did at 3pm in the middle of a work week.  One of the eeriest experiences of my life.

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    I was on some 10th grade (none / 0) (#41)
    by andgarden on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 09:11:03 AM EST
    "class building" trip in the Poconos. By the time everyone had gotten to the TV, it was after 10, and the towers were down.

    Parent
    wait (none / 0) (#44)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 09:27:26 AM EST
    you were IN the 10 grade?


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    Yes (none / 0) (#45)
    by andgarden on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 09:29:42 AM EST
    I was 16, I think.

    Parent
    me too! (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by CST on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 09:40:15 AM EST
    holy crow (none / 0) (#47)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 09:31:04 AM EST
    how old were you when you started commenting here?

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    Uhhh, a few years ago (none / 0) (#49)
    by andgarden on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 09:33:58 AM EST
    I was in college.

    Parent
    respects (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 09:35:59 AM EST
    when I was that age I could have given a rats a$$ about politics.

    Parent
    At the end of the day, it's probably a curse (none / 0) (#51)
    by andgarden on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 09:37:42 AM EST
    because there's very little we can do individually.

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    we could do a lot more (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 10:20:55 AM EST
    if more people your age were involved

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    I was pounding the pavement... (none / 0) (#42)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 09:16:34 AM EST
    in Queens looking for a job that morning...heard the first reports on an old man's radio as he was sitting in his garage...ran back to the crib and saw the towers fall on the tube.

    That night went to the park with a ladyfriend, drank a bottle watching the smoke over Manhattan across the river...talked about all the poor souls that died and all the poor souls that would die and how hopeless humanity can be.

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    Strange (none / 0) (#46)
    by CST on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 09:30:52 AM EST
    in the aftermath there was this initial outpouring of compassion that made me almost hopefull.  It was one of those moments when you really felt truly connected to people, which was especially poignant to me at the time since I had just come back from living abroad and was feeling incredibly disconnected in general.  But there was this moment in time when you could see some stranger on the street and just feel the compassion and humanity oozing out of them.  Unfortunately, we all know how that turned out.

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    I still think (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 09:33:56 AM EST
    anyone but Bush could have turned that feeling something that could have helped the country.

    personally I think squandering and perverting that feeling and that event will go down in history as Bushes biggest crime.  and thats saying a lot.


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    There was humanity... (none / 0) (#53)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 09:42:55 AM EST
    between New Yorkers that warmed the heart beyond belief, and of course the heroism of the first responders...then there were the a-holes throwing rocks at anybody with a head covering and brown skin.

    You're absolutely right, the beauty of humanity was on display as well...but my mind couldn't get around the fact that we were surely gonna kill 10 times the number of innocent people that died that day...I underestimated.

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    I had not yet (none / 0) (#54)
    by CST on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 10:02:03 AM EST
    reached that level of pessimism.  War and death was something that had never really touched my life at that point.

    That changed pretty quickly.

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    for pretty much every (none / 0) (#43)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 09:26:55 AM EST
    morning of my adult life I have walked into the livingroom and turned on the news.  for whatever reason that morning I did not.  I honestly cant remember any other morning when I did that.
    I was in the middle of renovations of a house I had bought part of which involved yard work, like, major yard work not grass cutting, and spent the entire morning up to my elbows in dirt and rocks without my cell or any connection to the outside world.  I did not know anything had happened until almost noon when it came up in an over the fence chat with my neighbor.

    then I turned on the tv.

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    I never watch TV in the morning (none / 0) (#56)
    by shoephone on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 10:15:39 AM EST
    That morning was a little different. I happened to have slept in the living room on the futon couch the night before because I was in the midst of buying a new mattress for the bedroom. I woke up just before 6:30 am (early for me) and immediately turned on the TV to see the second plane hit the towers.

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    Hatch says Repubs (none / 0) (#2)
    by kmblue on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 07:09:33 PM EST
    won't vote in favor of health care reform?
    Whatta shock. ;)

    Wonder what Obama and the Dems (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by MO Blue on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 08:10:43 PM EST
    will give away next so that the Republicans can say: We still won't vote for it.

    Although if I were a Democrat in the Senate, I wouldn't vote for the Baucus plan either. It is IMO a piece of crap.

    BTW, BTD will be thrilled, I say thrilled, to see that his good friend Sunstein was confirmed. :-)

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    I wonder (5.00 / 6) (#14)
    by Steve M on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 08:13:00 PM EST
    if everyone grasps by now why it is so dumb to negotiate against yourself.

    I understand the Republicans have introduced a few health care bills of their own.  I think it would be a fun exercise for the Democrats to take a carbon copy of one of those bills and introduce it themselves, just to see if the GOP would still say no.  We're kind of headed in that direction anyway!

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    The Acid Test (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 08:15:08 PM EST
    I said in a thread a day or two ago (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 08:18:27 PM EST
    that Obama and Baucus should just let Snowe write the entire bill and get it over with. Oh in response to this:

    I wonder if everyone grasps by now why it is so dumb to negotiate against yourself.

    Evidently some key players including one who has big quote marks, do not since they seem bound and determined to continue the practice.

    Parent

    Apparently the Obama (none / 0) (#32)
    by cal1942 on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 03:40:12 AM EST
    administration hasn't caught on yet.

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    Yeah, that surprised me big time - NOT (none / 0) (#10)
    by inclusiveheart on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 07:48:32 PM EST
    nt

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    Okay. (none / 0) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 07:11:25 PM EST
    So Harry Reid is on the no public option train I guess. Are Republicans now going to be the heroes for voting down this garbage? These Dems are acting like the GOP did in 2005---begging for the electorate to wipe them out in a bloodbath.

    Harry, just don't say anything. (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 07:21:24 PM EST
    Smile and nod. Retire. go grow flowers in Las Vegas.

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    Good advice for him (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 07:50:04 PM EST
    He may as well be the Harry in the Harry and Louise ads.

    I can't wait to see if Schumer will forcefully challenge Reid on the public option. Don't always like Schumer, but at least he's got balls.

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    True about Schumer (none / 0) (#27)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 11:47:19 PM EST
    I don't like him, and he's lousy on some issues, but he's sounding like a freight train on this.

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    Frankly progressives ought to be leaning on Harry (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by cawaltz on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 02:25:09 AM EST
    Cook poll has him being re elected a toss up against unknown Republicans. I would be calling to tell him that he needs to give progressives a reason to dedicate time and energy to him. I'd let him know that the base is going to put the same effort into him as he has put into health reform.

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    Any word on Dawn Johnsen? (none / 0) (#9)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 07:40:26 PM EST
    I gather her nomination still lingers, lo these many months later...

    Really no excuse.

    No BB spoilers (none / 0) (#12)
    by katiebird on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 08:02:29 PM EST
    but, Yay!!!

    I agree, Yay! (none / 0) (#18)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 08:56:16 PM EST
    And America gets to be the 7th juror. Go to CBS.com and vote for Jordan or Kevin. It's free and if you text, it costs a dollar.

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    Ah -- but who to choose (none / 0) (#23)
    by katiebird on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 10:34:12 PM EST
    in THEIR match-up?

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    I'm choosing Jordan (none / 0) (#24)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 10:38:37 PM EST
    She's been the most natural contestant, the most pleasant, the least manipulative and conniving and she can really use the money. She lives with her mother and siblings and their house was recently foreclosed on. They had to move while she was on the show so she hasn't even seen where she's going home to yet. She wants to be a dental hygienist (she's a waitress now) and she could use the money for that.

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    You sold me... (none / 0) (#26)
    by katiebird on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 10:59:28 PM EST
    I'm just a little let down at her role in Michelle's loss.  But, your points are important and outweigh the fact that both are likable.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#22)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 10:13:29 PM EST
    definitely good turn of events.

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    And what, pray tell, (none / 0) (#17)
    by s5 on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 08:55:38 PM EST
    could be as effective as Harry Reid?

    Give'em Hell Harry! (none / 0) (#20)
    by blogtopus on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 09:59:50 PM EST
    Tell us the Truth (about your sugar daddies) and we'll THINK it's Hell.

    Conservadem meeting today.. (none / 0) (#29)
    by Left of the Left on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 12:54:55 AM EST
    Only news of it I've seen so far. Doesnt sound good, but what else is new.


    Lincoln, Pryor confer with Obama on health care
    Posted on 10 September 2009


    LITTLE ROCK -- Arkansas' two U.S. senators said they came away with a private meeting with President Obama on Thursday encouraged by his openness to different ideas on reforming health care but still not ready to fully embrace his plan.

    ...Lincoln said Obama did not change her opposition to a public option, and she was pleased to hear him say it was not the cornerstone of his plan.

    "I think he reiterated what he said last night, which is that it's a means to an end, it's not the solution to the problem, and that there might be something out there that would be helpful in terms of creating competition in the marketplace ... but I don't think he's wed to any name," she said.

    "There's lots of different things out there, there's a co-op, there's a trigger, there's a fallback, there's a nonprofit plan," she said.

    Pryor said he was glad to hear Obama pin down what he means by a public option -- a limited government plan that only about 5 percent of the uninsured would have access to -- but he said the senators told the president the proposal's chances were slim...

    So much for rallying public option support behind closed dooors.

    We don't need her vote (none / 0) (#35)
    by andgarden on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 07:20:54 AM EST
    for reconciliation.

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    Im sure you're right.. (none / 0) (#60)
    by Left of the Left on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 12:21:58 PM EST
    It was more about how we're still fighting the WH on this. Progressive caucus gets shut out, but they meet with these guys and give the same tepid support for a public option. Disappointment is all.

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    Pryor is mischaracterizing: (none / 0) (#31)
    by shoephone on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 02:38:04 AM EST
    Pryor said he was glad to hear Obama pin down what he means by a public option -- a limited government plan that only about 5 percent of the uninsured would have access to -- but he said the senators told the president the proposal's chances were slim...

    First off, this statement makes it sound as though the president is going to restrict the public plan to only 5% of population. That is NOT what he said in the speech. Despite my concerns regarding his assumption of how many would realistically access it, he said he "expected" only about 5% would need to access it.

    Secondly, Pryor is gambling on the Senate to control the final outcome, in which case, there will be no bill at all. I am convinced -- after reading Dems responses to the speech last night and after hearing interviews with Progressive Caucus members on the air today -- that the PC members are not backing down from their insistence on a public option in the final bill. As they stated in their letter to Obama, "No public option, no bill."

    Anyway, restricting people from being able to access the only insurance plan they can get into would be immoral and certainly illegal. (Insurance companies refuse coverage based on their bottom line profit margin, but it is not sanctioned by law. And per the new health care bill, if there is one, denying coverage would be illegal.) Add in that Obama says his goal is universal coverage, and restricting access to millions of people with no other choice does not fit into his stated universal scenario.

    Pryor. First a schm*ck, always a schm*ck.

    Shoephone (none / 0) (#33)
    by cal1942 on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 03:52:31 AM EST
    I believe it's OK to spell out schmuck.  I think you can even translate and say dick or dickhead.

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    How about (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 07:37:22 AM EST
    !$!$$^%$&( @%$$$ &%^&&^^^&? can we say that one now?

    ;-P

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    Are you sure? (none / 0) (#55)
    by shoephone on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 10:07:48 AM EST
    It's a pretty dirty word where I come from!

    ;-)

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    It's a wonderful (none / 0) (#59)
    by cal1942 on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 11:17:51 AM EST
    Yiddish word and IMO very appropriate in some circumstances.

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    Allright then (none / 0) (#61)
    by shoephone on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 02:49:59 PM EST
    I will follow your lead. At first, I naturally assumed Jeralyn and her filters might give me the kineahora!

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    You haven't been paying attention (none / 0) (#62)
    by DWCG on Sun Sep 13, 2009 at 11:44:37 PM EST
    The bill is substantially firewalled that yes it is really only accessible to about 5% of the population, of which CBO estimates 0 to 11 million will enroll.

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    Suspicious Boat in Potomac? (none / 0) (#58)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 10:23:19 AM EST
    Coast Guard Did Not Fire on Suspicious Boat in Potomac

    CNN reported, and various wire services are issuing Flash alerts, that the Coast Guard has fired on a suspicous boat in the Potomac River. The initial report is ten shots fired.

    You can't help but wonder; if this was just some fool wandering into an area he shouldn't have, the first warning shot would have effectively communicated the Coast Guard's wishes.

    UPDATE: Now there is word that the shots were "part of an exercise." The morning of the 9/11 anniversary seems to be an awfully unusual time to be practicing shooting on the Potomac River, but that's the latest.

    ANOTHER UPDATE: If this was indeed a training exercise, it is the most egregious and insensitive use of federal government resources since.... well, April.