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We didn't have any of these today. In case you folks are wondering, I am 3-0 in my fantasy football league (my "look over there" moment after the thrashing (1-4) I took on the NFL games Sunday. My usual 3-2 with the colleges (now 12-8 for the season.)

Oh, and ROMAN POLANSKI!

Hold it there kitty cat! This is an Open Thread.

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    My goodness (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Steve M on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:16:49 PM EST
    Has anyone noticed, the guy in that movie looks JUST like a young Jack Nicholson?  Uncanny!

    Goddamned Florsheim shoe (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:18:10 PM EST
    My favorite film btw.

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    Hey now (none / 0) (#3)
    by jbindc on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:19:02 PM EST
    No profanity, please.

    :)

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    damn is in the bible (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:20:24 PM EST
    and therefore, for some strange reason, not a problem with the filters. You can write damn at this site is the upshot.

    No upsh*t though.

    Begat is also allowed.

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    Ah (none / 0) (#5)
    by jbindc on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:23:41 PM EST
    But is g*ddamned?

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    And Begat (none / 0) (#6)
    by jbindc on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:24:04 PM EST
    is a funny word

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    Since I've seem you use "hell" (none / 0) (#8)
    by MO Blue on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:31:39 PM EST
    does that mean that it is also not a problem with the filters?

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    Go for it: fornicate, verily, etc. (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:33:54 PM EST
    Polanski thinks we all want to do it... (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 11:53:49 PM EST
    Or in his words, "Everyone wants to fu@k young girls!". From cbs.com, Roman Polanski Case: Does France Love Child-Rapists, Movie Directors, or Both?
    Extraordinary interview Polanski gave to the novelist Martin Amis in 1979, the year after Polanski went on the run.

    "If I had killed somebody, it wouldn't have had so much appeal to the press, you see? [Pardon, surely he hadn't forgotten how much the Manson murders had appealed to the press.] But, fu@king, you see, and the young girls. Judges want to fu@k young girls. Juries want to fu@k young girls. Everyone wants to fu@k young girls!".

    Judges, juries, everyone wants to fu@k young girls; meaning, I suppose, that everyone in the known universe is male. Aside from "young girls" - and their only role in life is to be fu@ked. Fascinating.

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    Kind of makes you want to read his (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 01:01:03 AM EST
    autobiography doesn't it?

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    Oh yes, it must be very Byronic! (none / 0) (#52)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 02:29:42 AM EST
    Amen brother, pardon the irony. (none / 0) (#58)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 03:45:30 AM EST
    Florsheim shoes are great in oxblood! (none / 0) (#59)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 03:48:18 AM EST
    I still can't get over the hilarity of your (none / 0) (#67)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 08:16:52 PM EST
    "on the lamb" comment Steve M. May I ask, what line of work are you in?

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:37:41 PM EST
    I've been kind of busy lately so not much blogging but honestly it looks like HCR continues to be a stinking mess.

    The new Supreme Court Term starts Monday (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by jbindc on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 07:19:30 PM EST
    A few of interesting cases I see on the docket include Florida v. Powell on December 7th, where the question at issue is "Must a suspect be expressly advised to his right to counsel during questioning and if so, does the failure to provide this express advice vitiate Miranda v. Arizona?"

    Briscoe v. Virginia, where the issue is, "If a state allows a prosecutor to introduce a certificate of a forensic laboratory analysis, without presenting the testimony of the analyst who prepared the certificate, does the state avoid violating the Confrontation Clause of the Sixth Amendment by providing that the accused has a right to call the analyst as his own witness?"

    and US v. Comstock, where the issue is, "Whether Congress had the constitutional authority to enact 18 U.S.C. 4248, which authorizes court-ordered civil commitment by the federal government of (1) "sexually dangerous" persons who are already in the custody of the Bureau of Prisons, but who are coming to the end of their federal prison sentences, and (2) "sexually dangerous" persons who are in the custody of the Attorney General because they have been found mentally incompetent to stand trial."

    Should be a fun term!

    Dearest Buddha (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 11:17:05 PM EST
    Something like the AKC goes techie about as fast as I go techie.  I'm trying to enter a judging panel using their old techie which is as quick as I am and then they change their techie to something extraordinarily techie in the middle of all this negotiating.  Somehow I got one judging panel properly entered for one show done just now.  It took forever......until suddenly I got it....and then it took about twenty seconds.  I think I need to go to bed before I do the next one.

    Chinatown is great (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 11:58:47 PM EST
    Honestly if people could just seperate an artists works from the artist themselves as a person I think the Polanski thing would be a lot easier for some folks to digest- Reifenstahl was an incredibly innovative and brilliant director- that doesn't mean she wasn't a scumbag who at the very least enabled and at worst facilitated) the mass murder of millions, the same is true of Speers and architecture (though he's a little grandiose for my tastes), Dali and cowardice (read the Orwell piece everyone's citing), etc. Not all great artists are great people if anything the opposite seems to be true more often than not- this doesn't make their work any less valid anymore than Jefferson's defense of freedom is undercut by the fact that he was a serial rapist of slaves (or perhaps more accurately of one slave) - human beings are complex and lauding their contributions doesn't mean excusing their crimes.  

    Interesting that Probation Officer (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 01:08:35 AM EST
    reported Mr. Polanski was not interested in therapy.  Afraid it might damage his creativity.

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    Don't even get me started, I've been teaching (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 03:41:21 AM EST
    mostly multi-disciplinary contemporary art (1945-present); at the undergraduate and graduate level for more than 15 years. I'm one of those tenured, capital "P" Professors - so help me gawd I don't know how that came to pass.

    I'm familiar: Roman (I'm such a fan of his entire oeuvre); Leni (Riefenstahl, "i" before "e". I appreciate both her documentary films and still photography); Albert (Speer, no "s" at the end. Too bad all that remains of his legacy are photographs, some 3-D models, works on paper, and the lampposts on Unter den Linden - which I had the pleasure of seeing this spring. Ah, Berlin in springtime, better than Paris, imo); Salvador (ever been to the museum near Barcelona? Magnificent Dali architecture and art!).

    Honestly, I have so many other interests - it could get lengthy. Thanks for sharing the things you appreciate. BTW, didn't mean to be a pi$$ ant with the spellin (hah) corrections :-)

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    Confession time. (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Fabian on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 02:35:04 AM EST
    Apparently, I haven't seen a single Polanski film.  Not a single one.

    My biggest movie watching career was in college, which was the first time I ever watched Casablanca, complete with cheering and boos and hisses.   Now I mostly watch kid safe stuff, which doesn't mean it's not quality.  Eventually, I will buy Miyazaki's Grave of the Fireflies and watch it.  If I had to rank directors, Hayao Miyazaki would be up there.  Kurosawa as well.

    Confession time here too... (5.00 / 4) (#61)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 04:08:39 AM EST
    I've always watched a lot of films. For the fist couple of years when I started teaching, I went to a rep theater and saw both the early and late show 2-3 times a week. But a few years ago, one summer in a college town of a half million people, I rented major films en masse. Went through the late 50s, 60s and 70s like a meth fiend. I knew I'd taken out a lot of films, but after a month or so the clerks called me by name. I asked why they bothered remembering me and they said I had rented more movies than anybody ever had during the whole decade they'd been in business. I though OMG, I'm that person. I was so mortified, I started going to a different store.    

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    8-10 years ago when you could get (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by andgarden on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 06:42:13 AM EST
    almost any DVD for $14, I was buying. . .a lot of DVDs. And I could mostly only justify the old ones. On my shelf in Philadelphia are two versions of Casablanca and just about every color Hitchcock.

    I ended my habit before the studios doubled the prices and cut the features.

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    Nothing wrong with that! (none / 0) (#62)
    by Fabian on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 05:47:53 AM EST
    My sister met someone and got into cheesy black and white horror films.  She learned all the trivia about them - sometimes the making of the movie was more interesting than the end product.

    I'm more an animation fan.  Not "anime" but the best of the best.  Also CGI, especially cutting edge stuff.

    The older films, the artistic conventions of the times, some of it is often just as ridiculous as the cheesy black and white horror films.  Especially when they take themselves so seriously.

    If I watch some melodrama, I want to be in an audience who cheers the hero and boos the villain because that's exactly what those movies want you to do.  If the movies are over the top, the audience should be too!

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    Speaking of horror films (none / 0) (#66)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 08:13:50 PM EST
    Have you seen the fact-based/fictional film "Gods and Monsters", about the last days of the elderly James Whale who directed the Frankenstein films? It's on my all-time top 10 list.

    Sir Ian McKellen, who is gay, got an Oscar nomination for playing the part of James Whale who was also gay. McKellen attended the ceremony, and this is a paraphrase of how one entertainment reporter characterized the event:

    I'm Sir Ian McKellen; I'm sitting here in the front row at the Oscars, holding the hand of a 25 year old boy and you can kiss my ass.
     
    It was glorious.

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    So (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by jbindc on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 07:24:01 AM EST
    There's a fun little piece in Politico on what happens if Harry Reid loses in 2010, and the thinking is, the next Majority Leader would either be Dick Durbin or Chuck Schumer. A couple of things struck me while reading this piece:

    For senators, the ideal majority leader is more of a majority follower -- a hybrid of sounding board, shrink, concierge and wing man. The paradigm was LBJ's successor, the unprepossessing Mike Mansfield, the Montana Democrat who adopted a mellow, accommodating style that made him popular with a Senate weary of serving as Johnson's legislative mule train.

    "What it takes to be elected leader, it isn't about the leadership skills to shepherd great legislation through," said a Democratic consultant who has worked on numerous Senate campaigns in the past two decades. "It's about who can make the other guys happy. It's about who knows what vote you can and can't take, who knows you have a fundraiser at 4 o'clock on Friday and need to get out of town."

    So, all along we've been crying for a President and Majority Leader like LBJ, who would shake things up, and apparently, the folks on the Hill don't want that.

    And, I didn't know this:

    Since Johnson, no Democratic leader has represented a top-10 population state. Electing Durbin or Schumer -- either one -- would change the balance in a body that has given disproportionate influence to sparsely populated states like Nevada with headcounts smaller than those of Chicago or the five boroughs of New York City.

    But here's what really made my hair stand up on end:

    Neither Durbin nor Schumer -- roommates in a ratty Capitol Hill town house -- is overtly gunning for Reid's job, even in private, according to sources.

    But few Senate insiders doubt they will compete if Reid is unseated. Other dark-horse contenders pop up in discussion -- including Sens. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, Mark Warner of Virginia and Claire McCaskill of Missouri -- but only in the context of a deadlock or an unforeseen stumble by Durbin or Schumer.

    The fact that Claire McKaskill is even being talked about only in idle conversation gives me the willies!

    Man w/a knife. Alleged rape occurs (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:30:44 PM EST
    Nicholson's house.  Huston says the chick looks 20 if she's a day.  What a tangled web.  

    Seems to me that if we go by how (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by MO Blue on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:35:08 PM EST
    old someone looks rather than by actual age, anyone having sex with someone who looks 13 but is actually 20 should be charged. :-)

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    So when his friends send him to buy beer (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 07:12:11 PM EST
    he just grunts?

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    Scares me when people (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 09:35:35 PM EST
    think exactly like I do.  I don't know if I'll ever outgrow the need to verify that I know someone who is fourteen but looks thirty.

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    heh (none / 0) (#35)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 09:37:14 PM EST
    Anjelica Houston was rather 'compromised' (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 12:25:00 AM EST
    From The Daily Beast, Polanski's Next Escape:
    Huston, who was charged with possessing a vial of cocaine when the police came to search Nicholson's house, told the police she had seen the girl when she came out of the bedroom.

    "She didn't appear to be distressed. She was breathing high in her throat when she came out. He seemed sullen, which I thought was a little rude." Asked how old she thought the girl was, Huston told the probation officer that "she appeared to be one of those kind of little chicks...she seemed quite tall to me. I would have to say anywhere, you know, about 18, around that age, late teens she looked to me." By the time she was questioned, Huston knew the case hinged on the girl's age.

    How awful that there would have been no case had the girl been of legal age. Polanski's actual offenses (drugging her, raping and sodomizing her) wouldn't have warranted prosecution had she not been a minor. The dark ages or what.

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    Once a gal hits 18, she's on her own (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:49:56 PM EST
    That was snark in case you missed it. (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by MO Blue on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:53:49 PM EST
    I remember when my older brother's (none / 0) (#38)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 10:47:18 PM EST
    voice broke. When he was 16, he went into the hospital to have his tonsils out and he never sounded the same again. It was eerie.

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    Yes, but Polanski knew how (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by MO Blue on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 10:58:14 PM EST
    old the girl was so Huston's opinion is not particurly relevant.  

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    Some of those letters (none / 0) (#9)
    by Steve M on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:32:20 PM EST
    in support of Polanski were positively horrible.  Didn't read the report word for word though.

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    The probation report is quite friendly (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:34:33 PM EST
    to defendant.  

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    Health Insurance Mandates.... (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:36:01 PM EST
    How 'bout an eigth amendment argument of excessive fine?  No good?

    The fine isn't mandatory (none / 0) (#39)
    by MrConservative on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 10:53:06 PM EST
    I don't think a judge would actually impose the maximum.  I think the intent of the large maximum fine was to discourage millionaires from just shrugging off the fine.  They should probably change the maximum depending on income level.

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    Well, BTD, with your sports book hat (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:36:10 PM EST
    on, what is your prediction re Dodgers/Padres game tonight and the state of NL West/NL wild card race?  

    The real race (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Steve M on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:37:42 PM EST
    is in the junior circuit.  Tigers only 1 up now after a tough loss this afternoon.

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    Speaking of (none / 0) (#17)
    by jbindc on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:40:13 PM EST
    Tigers up 1-0, bottom of the 3rd

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    Sorry (none / 0) (#18)
    by jbindc on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:40:56 PM EST
    top of the 3rd

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    Tigers (none / 0) (#22)
    by jbindc on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 06:55:18 PM EST
    now up 3-0 in the bottom of the 3rd.

    Put your rally cap on Steve so they can hold the lead!

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    You gotta win this (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Steve M on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 07:22:44 PM EST
    3-0 with your best pitcher on the mound!  Can't let this one slip away.

    I have absolutely hated the Twins ever since the disaster of '87.  And their crappy little dome too!

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    5-0, bottom of the 5th (none / 0) (#30)
    by jbindc on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 07:35:49 PM EST
    Mwahah! (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by otherlisa on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 12:17:14 AM EST
    Dodgers don't get to clinch tonight. Go Padres!!!

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    I was there. Sweet, totally meaningless (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 01:03:50 AM EST
    victory.

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    17 single payer advocates arrested... (none / 0) (#23)
    by lambert on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 07:04:17 PM EST
    Lots of "best lines" in that movie (none / 0) (#25)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 07:10:34 PM EST
    One of my favorites:

    I godd[@]mn near lost my nose. And I like it. I like breathing through it.


    The most appropriate line (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by David B on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 12:10:22 AM EST
    "Of course I'm respectable. I'm old. Politicians, ugly buildings, and whores all get respectable if they last long enough."

    Describes Mr. Polanski to a T.

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    Want an even more fitting artistic irony (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Socraticsilence on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 12:17:42 AM EST
    Watch Tess- young adolescent preyed upon- raped-by older powerful man, who- well I wont spoil the ending, but lets just say that Polanski the director apparently didn't feel that giving the predator the same kind of justice that Polanski the man got would have been acceptable to the audience.

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    Interesting: (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 07:18:56 PM EST
    Just my opinion (none / 0) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 09:36:47 PM EST
    but reimportation really needs to be legal!

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    Is BTD's reticence re Polanski's (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 07:41:06 PM EST
    legal predicament based on the former's staying out of matters of local concern?

    Nah, he just wants to keep on (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 09:38:37 PM EST
    watching these few movies and not think any deeper than the film before him....like how he is a father, and has daughters :)

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    Perhaps some people can watch Chinatown and (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 10:40:22 PM EST
    totally tune out the fact that these actors were at the scene of the Polanski sex crime - either before, during, or after the commission of the crime at Jack Nicholson's house.

    The grand jury testimony of the victim indicates that Jack was at his house when Polanski called him to ask if he could come over. When the girl and Polanski arrived at Jack's house, Jack's girlfriend, Anjelica Houston, was still there and sat with the two of them to have a glass of champagne. (Angelica is, of course, the daughter of John Houston who played the role of the chief villain in Chinatown.) Angelica left but later returned and was in the house during the final stage of the sexual assault, up to and including the time of the victim's departure.

    I didn't know the full extent of those details when I first watched Chinatown. I found the history of California water disputes particularly interesting, the influence of William Mulholland in 'securing' LA water rights, etc. Hmm, back to the real world - the victim's grand jury testimony also indicated that Nicholson's house was on Mulholland Drive. There it is again, the intersection of art and life.

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    Matter of local concern where? (none / 0) (#32)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Sep 29, 2009 at 08:08:31 PM EST
    LA County. (none / 0) (#50)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 01:05:16 AM EST
    BTD lives in LA County? (none / 0) (#53)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 02:33:05 AM EST
    Not that I am aware of. Figure that is (none / 0) (#65)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 10:55:52 AM EST
    why he is leaving the Polanski stuff to us. Of course, I don't live in LA County either, but hey.

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