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Josh Marshall writes about the political calculations for House Dems:

I think this is very simple. And we're about to see what the congressional Dems are made of. Obama too. [. . .] For the House liberals, it was clear that only very limited revisions were going to be gained in the House-Senate negotiations. It's one thing if someone wasn't going to vote for the final bill at all. But if they were, the differences between the senate bill and whatever the negotiation was going to produce simply were not going to be big enough -- not remotely -- to justify voting against it.

For the conservative Dems, if they already voted for the more liberal House bill, it won't help them a wink to refuse to vote for the senate bill now -- whether that means casting a no vote or just preventing it from coming up for a vote at all. This should be obvious to anyone who knows how 30 second TV ads work (or frankly, even how very reasonable political argument works). And the lesson of 1994 is clear: the folks who killed health care in 1994 didn't gain any benefit from it. They were the ones who got slaughtered in November.

This is absurd analysis. I'll explain why on the other side.

Remember the premise - Dems would have just lost in MASSACHUSETTS!! The Dems are staring a GOP Wave election in the face. What that means is that no one should feel safe in their seats, including in heretofore considered "safe" seats. In this scenario, the Obama Administration's accomplishments will mean next to nothing. His lack of coattails for 2010 will be manifest.

For House progressives, whether they come to the policy conclusion that the Senate bill is better than nothing or not, the POLITICAL calculation would appear to be to rush into the arms of the base. That would require, at the minimum, an agreement for concrete changes to the health bill via reconciliation. For Marshall it is easy to minimize the modifications that would occur in the bill. But for the progressive base, especially the unions and their leadership, those changes are essential. Can you imagine spitting in the eyes of the unions in THIS political environment? Only a Village blogger could imagine that as "simple." I call it simple minded.

For Blue Dogs, I doubt anything is going to help them, but I feel pretty confident that a vote for the unpopular health bill is not one of these things. ESPECIALLY if it involves spitting in the eyes of unions.

I do not know what is going to happen, but if I was advising a House progressive, as a purely political matter, I would advise that they do their damnedest to at least be perceived as fighting for something better than the Senate bill.

That is going to require, in my view, actually missing the President SOTU deadline, for appearances sake if nothing else, and some type of concrete deal to fix the Senate bill in a reconciliation bill.

I can not imagine that anyone is in the mood right now to walk the plank for Obama, who is not on the ballot this year. Marshall's analysis is ridiculous.

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    If I needed to stay alive in this (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:17:06 AM EST
    it is exactly what I would do. I would fight for something worth fighting for that was about actual progress for sick people.  There are no Obama coattails, I'm going to have to fight for something that is meaningful and even if I lose that fight....I will have coattails that I made for myself. And if I win, I fought for what was right.  Actions are everything right now.  I really can't believe there isn't a fight in here that is a win for the little man that wouldn't benefit a blue dog too.  I don't live in a blue dog state but it is hard for me to believe that those states aren't every bit as hard hit.  Don't tell me the people don't need real solutions over rhetoric.  Get your solutions, then parade them around.  You don't ever have to do it again....you don't ever need to do anything wonderful for the people if things ever get better...but right now you need to something wonderful for the people and then paste it on your forehead for the world to see.

    Throw Obama under the bus! (5.00 / 5) (#40)
    by lambert on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 12:28:05 PM EST
    He's earned it!

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    It's post partisan unity (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 01:08:21 PM EST
    Being traction is part of the process :)

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    Wouldn't you think so? But look at (none / 0) (#41)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 12:28:24 PM EST
    Ben Nelson (D-NE).  Why is he getting flack from people in NE for getting more health care for them at no cost?  

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    Because like most Americans (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 12:57:18 PM EST
    they instinctively don't like the rest of the bill, and this is just an easier thing to get all righteous and indignant about without having to analyze the complications of the actual bill.  They also, like msot people, just really don't like the idea that they or their representatives can be so baldly bribed by something that's patently unfair.

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    easy for a blue dog (none / 0) (#61)
    by hookfan on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 02:33:23 PM EST
    they can sink the bill on the basis of "in these trying times, we need more fiscal responsibility. The subsidies will cost too much, and the states will struggle to pay for the implementation. Thus we need to save money and establish jobs for people in need. Use the money from hcr to establish jobs for people, then they won't need subsidies for insurance." See? Easy. And they can better serve big insurance this way too! What's not to like?

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    Just for the heck of it, let's (5.00 / 4) (#9)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:23:43 AM EST
    expand on Marshall's theory.

    The Dems pass the very unpopular Senate bill. The Dems continue to sell it using the "big lie" of "If you like your current insurance, you can keep it." They also continue to leak WH comments about how those who oppose the legislation are the "loony left" and not really a part of the Democratic base. Then when they lose control of both houses of Congress, they can continue to pass corporate centric and conservative legislation and blame the Republicans and the DFHs for it.

    God forbid they've become this corrupt (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:30:59 AM EST
    If they are though, they can see for themselves how long they can hope to remain that corrupt and employed in their current position.  I think you can stick a fork in the people, they are done.  Pols will be accountable.

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    How much evidence is there to demonstrate (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 01:08:34 PM EST
    that the dems haven't become this corrupt. I'd say next to nil - from the top down.

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    Really MT? (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by hookfan on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 02:40:04 PM EST
    You don't think Rahm and co. believe that corruption is the way to maintain power? Why, when everything he's done has been to chase the money?

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    Actually, passing this bill (5.00 / 4) (#52)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 01:01:19 PM EST
    is the GOP's dream come true.  There are some indications that McConnell has been working behind the scenes to actually make passage easier.  If it does pass, the Republicans will run against it joyously and sweep into Congress in the midterms.

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    DING! (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 01:04:53 PM EST
    A prize for someone who is actually paying attention!

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    Exactly (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by ruffian on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 02:32:28 PM EST
    the idea that the Dems would going to be able to run in November bragging about passing the Senate bill 'as is' is just fantasy.

    Well I guess they could try... but they would be eaten alive.

    Nobody likes it.

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    Yeah (5.00 / 6) (#12)
    by lilburro on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:25:59 AM EST
    didn't understand this as it happens/continues to happen:

    Can you imagine spitting in the eyes of the unions in THIS political environment? Only a Village blogger could imagine that as "simple." I call it simple minded.

    How was the excise tax ever a brilliant idea politically [for Democrats!!]?

    Obama should've fought for the PO and at the very least got the Medicare buy-in for some younger age bracket.  That would've been a good political score.  The excise tax is not.  

    Brilliant idea politically (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 01:04:02 PM EST
    because they figured a lot of non-unionized Americans are resentful of unions.  Also, smacking it to the unions they hoped would attract some GOP support. And to complete the trifecta, smacking the unions gives Obama his "Sister Souljah" bona fides with the dim bulb media.

    I bet Rahm thought it was pretty smart.  Probably still thinks it is.

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    Politically is was sh*t (none / 0) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:26:35 AM EST
    Policy it is an experiment at best.

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    I find the (none / 0) (#24)
    by lilburro on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:41:29 AM EST
    "sell it after it passes" approach a little bizarre, but TPM is right (apparently), that is the Obama Admin way and happened with the stimulus.  

    I just don't know...

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    Worked like a charm with the stimulus (5.00 / 5) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:42:43 AM EST
    Who's charmed? (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 01:11:59 PM EST
    Not the Democratic wing of the Democratic electorate that's for sure.

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    Yeah, brilliant! (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by ruffian on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 02:35:32 PM EST
    Maybe they will get Biden out there talking about how great it is.

    Forget the Senate super-majority, Dems could lose the majority. That would solve the Reid problem anyway.

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    I hope House progressives (3.00 / 1) (#36)
    by lilburro on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 12:06:35 PM EST
    can at least get the Medicare buy-in for 55 and up.  That is one remarkable thing you can sell to the average American.  I certainly don't expect a newly formed PO to go through.

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    No buy in, they should just lower eligibility (5.00 / 7) (#43)
    by lambert on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 12:30:59 PM EST
    Why not? The banksters got theirs, so why isn't it our turn?

    If the Dems were smart enough -- assuming that they're responsive to the electorate, which I doubt -- to do that, they'd be in for a generation. Remember, Medicare isn't a government program, so you get the right wing too!

    NOTE And they should just keep on lowering it 'til everybody's in. That was Kennedy's original proposal before the Dems .... Did what they did

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    Hoyer on health insurance bill (none / 0) (#39)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 12:20:03 PM EST
    Should Republican Scott Brown win Tuesday's Senate race in Massachusetts and break the Democrats' supermajority in the Senate, Congressional Dems could pass a final health care reform bill before Brown is seated, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) told reporters at his weekly press briefing Tuesday.

    And if that means the House has to rubber-stamp the weaker reform bill that came out of the Senate, he said, "the Senate bill clearly is better than nothing." link



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    Ha! quite the ringing endorsement there (none / 0) (#63)
    by ruffian on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 02:36:23 PM EST
    "the Senate bill clearly is better than nothing."

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    If House dems do pass the Senate bill with the (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by steviez314 on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:29:59 AM EST
    promise of reconciliation to come, they should also pass a Jobs bill and Bank tax bill the very same day.

    Bank Tax (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:45:56 AM EST
    The Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association hired Carter Phillips of Sidley Austin to study the bank tax proposal.

    Oh yes, Sidely Austin was the same law firm that both Michelle and Barack Obama worked for back in the day.....should be interesting to watch.

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    Absolutely (none / 0) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:33:04 AM EST
    that's the type of thinking needed now.

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    So Is It Safe To Say (5.00 / 6) (#29)
    by The Maven on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:45:58 AM EST
    given the statement,
    [I]f I was advising a House progressive, as a purely political matter, I would advise that they do their damnedest to at least be perceived as fighting for something better than the Senate bill,

    you would applaud Rep. Anthony Weiner's approach?
    But there's a limit to how many compromises we can accept before the health care bill becomes a reform bill in name only. That's why I will oppose the final bill unless it represents a genuine improvement on the Senate bill. . . .  Unless the final bill looks more like what we passed in the House, and less what we saw emerge from the Senate, I will not support it.

    I can't tell how many people have voted in his online poll, but 78% of the respondents back this idea.

    Yes (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:48:06 AM EST
    It's time to stop thinking in terms of "We have to pass a bill, even if it's crappy, just to say we passed something that we can try to fix later."

    Not gonna happen.

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    Just pass the bill for gawd's sake (5.00 / 4) (#46)
    by hairspray on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 12:39:07 PM EST
    seems more about propping up the prez than anything else.

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    Wasn't Rep. Weiner the person who (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 12:50:05 PM EST
    sd. he wouldn't vote for House HCR bill if it did not contain a public option?   Words, words, . . .

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    :Marshall's analysis is ridiculous" (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by pluege on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 07:54:51 PM EST
    what else is new. Marshall was at the head of the line sticking progressives with the obama disaster.

    No I think its pretty obvious (none / 0) (#1)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:10:42 AM EST
    that if Coakley goes down Health Care Reform is dead for a decade or so.

    Here's a newsflash (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:13:25 AM EST
    Pols caring about getting elected. Everything after that is way down the list.

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    I realize that (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:17:50 AM EST
    I think what's obvious is that even attempting health care reform is stupid- it angers your base and your opponents, spends money, and is going to have failures- why should any pol ever attempt it when the status quo is good enough to get you votes, I mean really what's the upside- FDR- woohoo, in the last 60 years or so its cost Dem's seats in the next election every single time they've tried it: 1950, 1966, 1982, 1994, and now in 2010- maybe we'll finally realize that healthcare reform is more trouble than its worth- its our version of social security reform- something that our base likes but that the rest of the country isn't going to buy.

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    Well (5.00 / 4) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:21:56 AM EST
    that argument would have made sense in January 2009.

    But once you decide to go down the path, you have to deal with the politics of it.

    Obama and the Dems, ESPECIALLY when they let Baucus hijack the process, did everything wrong and now we are where we are.

    What would you do? I told you what I would do - let the progressives put up a fight, let the blue dogs vote no, make the best deal you can and let OBAMA take the short term hit (to wit, no victory laps at the SOTU) - he is not on the ballot this year.

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    Baucus didn't hijack the process (5.00 / 10) (#25)
    by BDB on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:42:42 AM EST
    Obama chose him to lead the process (and got, IMO, the bill Obama wanted as a result).  All through the early stages Obama kept talking about Baucus and the Senate Finance Committee instead of the House or the HELP Committee.

    Whatever else I could say about the HCR bills (and I'd start with a travesty that makes the American people serfs to a rapacious insurance industry), I wouldn't characterize it as anything other than the result Obama wanted.  I don't think he's inept (although I do think he's weak and I'm beginning to seriously doubt that he's smart, Harvard Law Review notwithstanding).  He's a neoliberal with a plan.  Just as Bush was a neocon with a plan.  

    What I wouldn't give for someone whose plans weren't be written by corporate America.


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    But doesn't something like that (none / 0) (#8)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:23:37 AM EST
    undercut your "pols will be pols" thesis- I mean if getting votes is the end all- shouldn't you have argued against even attempting HCR?

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    Why would I? (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:28:48 AM EST
    I'm not a pol. I argue for what I want, not what is in their best interests.

    Marshall does not argue for his views on what he wants expressly, but presents it as "political analysis" of what is the best political course for House Dems.

    It is horsesh*t analysis, It is, however, what he wants to happen. He should say that instead.
     

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    Well, this stab at health care reform (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:27:13 AM EST
    was as poorly planned as the last one was.  I still think that most of the problem was Obama conjoined with the Hamilton Project.  If corporations were the voters though Obama certainly would have won anything and everything this past year.  After that, the rest of the Democrats suck at negotiating, strategy, just about everything that stands in between a terrific idea and getting there.

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    The "stab" at health care reform (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by Anne on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:59:18 AM EST
    seems to have been aimed in the wrong direction; at this stage, if it isn't going to be aimed at the industry, I'd rather it be deflected toward the craven politicians who created this monster, before the cold, sharp end of the knife ends up where it's currently headed: into our collective backs.

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    The "status quo" you are referring (5.00 / 6) (#42)
    by esmense on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 12:29:38 PM EST
    to is ending. I could be wrong, but I don't think we continue to enjoy what it takes to conjure up, and hide our serious economic weakness behind, another giddy, delusional, debt fueled bubble.

    We have an economy in which wages have been stagnant for 3 decades (in which it now most often takes multiple wage earners to maintain a middle class household income)that, after a decade of mostly negative job growth, has been shedding jobs for more than a year -- with no end in sight. Younger Americans are entering this depressed job market deeply in debt, and older Americans are entering retirement with more debt than assets. A huge number of homeowners are underwater in terms of their mortgages, and many others are losing their homes entirely to foreclosure. State and local budgets are in dire straits, social services are stressed.

    Within this economic context, continuing inflation in health care and health insurance cost, and the way in which health coverage is tied to employment, are much larger problems, for many more people, than in the past -- and a failure to adequately reform our health care system is more consequential than in the past.

    It is not the only, and arguably not the first, economic necessity that this administration must address creatively and vigorously, but, if they can't convince voters that they are capable of addressing health care in new and effective ways, they certainly aren't likely to convince them that they have what it takes to address our broader economic problems.

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    Totally object to your premise (5.00 / 3) (#49)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 12:50:22 PM EST
    "healthcare reform is more trouble than its worth- its our version of social security reform- something that our base likes but that the rest of the country isn't going to buy."

    The country absolutely wants health care reform, as does business increasingly.  This bill-- or these bills-- from the get-go are what's been a pig mess nobody wants.

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    Health care costs will bury us... (none / 0) (#58)
    by NealB on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 02:21:38 PM EST
    ...if they aren't dealt with. My understanding is that health care reform isn't optional much longer; it's necessary. There have been some incremental improvements since 1994, but not enough to lower costs enough. Eventually, they'll have to do it, either by gutting Medicare and/or just letting the numbers of the uninsured continue to rise. Krugman threw out something he called "Stein's Law" the other day: if something has to stop, it will.

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    Why? (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by lambert on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 12:32:23 PM EST
    The bill isn't health care reform; it's health insurance reform.

    Health care reform got taken off the table a long time ago.

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    You know, I agree with you (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:19:13 AM EST
    but I think what will happen is that the Dems get totally spooked and do nothing. Witness New Jersey's inability to pass marriage equality after Christie beat Corzine, even though it was supposedly a sure thing for the lame duck session. (I always questioned whether it would be a "sure thing" if Corzine lost).

    It was never a sure thing (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:22:43 AM EST
    Corzine lost, not the other pols.

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    Some people seemed to think it was (none / 0) (#10)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:23:46 AM EST
    I think its hard to dispute that a Corzine loss was what made it impossible.

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    I am doubtful of the possibleness of it (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:25:56 AM EST
    before.

    Look, this is how politics work. The people who make pols pay a price for their actions get rewarded.

    It is that simple. That is why if the unions get screwed on the health bill, they will absolutely sit on their hands in November.

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    Elected Democrats seem to work on an (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:27:23 AM EST
    alternate theory: your base will always be there for you, but you should be hypersensitive to whatever you think "moderates" believe.

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    The political idiocy of Dems (5.00 / 5) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:29:36 AM EST
    is pretty well documented.

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    I think that supports my position (none / 0) (#20)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:32:21 AM EST
    which is that the Dems will back away from healthcare entirely.

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    Then they are total losers (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:37:12 AM EST
    Just about everything they have publicly worked on this year is up in smoke.  They've spent a ton of taxpayer money just working on this.  If they pull back now....they are all lame ducks.  They need to put their heads down and push right into the gale.

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    Passing mediocre, unpopular legislation (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by tigercourse on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:43:39 AM EST
    based upon... inertia doesn't seem like a brilliant idea to me. If something is manifestly not working, it's time to try something different.

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    Passing unpopular legislation (none / 0) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:57:08 AM EST
    based on enertia isn't a brilliant idea....but is the public option completely undoable at this point now that the writing IS on the wall?  Who can afford to vote against the benefit of Americans at this point?  What can we get in reconciliation and they had better put reconciliation on the table real quick!!  There are ways to make this legislation a lot more popular, but that does not include shoving the Senate bill down America's throat.  That and giving up will purchase you a Repub wave election.  What a mess though

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    It ticks me off (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 12:00:47 PM EST
    I just had a BushCo flashback, and in a situation like this....Bush and friends chose to make such a time and such a situation the time to really begin to FIGHT for what they would have.  And they had their way ALL the time.  God we are such wussies.

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    Per LAT politics blog, reconciliation (none / 0) (#47)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 12:41:06 PM EST
    is using ju-jitsu, i.e., black magic.  LAT

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    Not to be crude... (none / 0) (#59)
    by NealB on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 02:26:15 PM EST
    ...but if Robert Byrd dies, will reconciliation die with him since he's the only one that knows how it's done?

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    But (none / 0) (#65)
    by hookfan on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 03:09:27 PM EST
    that requires courage and freedom from corruption. Have you really seen that from this bunch?

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    Absolutely not a sure thing (none / 0) (#51)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 12:58:37 PM EST
    It was always dicey.  It had a chance, that's all.

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    Disagree (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:35:43 AM EST
    w/t/r to one point: Obama is going to be on the ballot just the same as George W. Bush was on the ballot in 2006.

    Too late to quit (none / 0) (#30)
    by mmc9431 on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:47:39 AM EST
    I don't see any way of the Democrats walking away from health care now. They have to have something to show for the blood bath they created. Walking away after all this effort would give the Republicans way too much material for November.

    If they were good at pushing their message, they might be able to use a collapse as a tool for November. They could brand the Republicans as obstructionists for blocking the wants (and needs)of the voters. But they're absolutely terrible on message.

    If they can pacify the unions and not deal with Stupek, they can still salvage something out of this.

    Democrats don't have the (none / 0) (#32)
    by observed on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:52:42 AM EST
    guts to go the reconciliation route---not unless Obama FORCEFULLY argues for it.


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    MA voter turnout heavy (none / 0) (#37)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 12:09:11 PM EST
    so far, even despite the weather.

    This health care isn't "reform" at all (none / 0) (#38)
    by bmc on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 12:12:49 PM EST
    Democrats are crazy to keep banging their heads against this wall of resistance from voters, and expecting that they're going to have anything but a pyrrhic victory on "heath care reform" at this point.

    They ought to give up the ghost, and let the voters blame Republicans for getting no change at all.

    Making failure to buy junk insurance... (5.00 / 10) (#45)
    by lambert on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 12:33:41 PM EST
    ... a federal crime -- What could go wrong?

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