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Blaming The Voters

So Markos posts about waning Latino enthusiasm for Dems and one of the first comments to the post is this (from a guy we like and respect no less):

Hard for me to understand Hispanics voting for a candidate from a party that demonizes them. Yes, I can understand disappointment with Dems, but voting for bigoted Rs makes no sense.

I happen to agree with this sentiment but find it disheartening that Democrats, from the President on down, seem to think the proper reaction to this type of finding is to "blame the voter."

I want to try this one more time to see if my mic is on - POLITICS IS STUPID! But the STUPIDEST politics is blaming the voter. Please stop it Dems. Which reminds me of this from Jon Stewart.

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    "Vote for us! We don't demonize you -- (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by Cream City on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 01:28:50 PM EST
    we just haven't gotten around to you yet.  It's only been two years . . . well, four years that we've had Congress . . . well -- but, but remember, we don't demonize you!"

    Yeh.  That'll work.

    Won't demonize Hispanics but... (none / 0) (#3)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 01:34:13 PM EST
    but deportations are up since Obama took office.



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    We don't deport Hispanics (none / 0) (#10)
    by beefeater on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 02:08:43 PM EST
    We deport people that are not legally in the country.

    Being Hispanic is not a crime...

    Being in the country illegally is

    Why is that so hard to grasp for some people?

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    From the linked post by Kos (5.00 / 5) (#15)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 02:34:11 PM EST
    "For eight long years, we have had a president who has made all kinds of promises to Latinos on the campaign trail, but failed to live up to them in the White House," Obama told a Washington convention of the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC). "We need a president who isn't going to walk away from something as important as comprehensive [immigration] reform when it becomes politically unpopular. That's the commitment I'm making to you ... and I will make it a top priority in my first year as President."

    When a president makes a commitment to the League of United Latin American Citizens that in the first year he will tackle comprehensive immigration reform and rather than keeping his commitment he increases the number of people who are deported, it is not surprising that there is waning Latino enthusiasm for Dems.

    Not sure why that is so hard to grasp for some people.  

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    Why (none / 0) (#4)
    by jbindc on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 01:36:20 PM EST
    Do you want the Republicans to win?  If you mock the Dems, it must only be because a) you are a closet Republican or b) you can't get over the primaries!

    As to Glenn's point, I think he's right in principle, but BTD asks the magic question - how do you define what a 'battlefield' is?

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    Oops - wrong thread. (none / 0) (#5)
    by jbindc on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 01:36:49 PM EST
    Go read my comment (none / 0) (#7)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 01:59:41 PM EST
    over on the correct thread.

    In short:  BTD's presenting exceptions which swallow the whole.

    And,

    If they can do it to him they can do it to you.


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    Well, I think we are on the road to (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by KeysDan on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 01:46:12 PM EST
    addressing that "enthusiasm gap".  There are rumors/trial balloons that Robert Gibbs may replace Tim Kaine as Chair of the DNC.   While we will all miss the human dynamo that is Tim Kaine, we will have Robert Gibbs' playful talk about the "professional left" and getting the base "drug tested" to help buck us up.  

    That sure will do the trick :-( (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 02:02:10 PM EST
    I can feel the enthusiasm building even as we speak.


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    I think what you are feeling is (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Anne on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 02:07:48 PM EST
    nausea, not enthusiasm - at least that's the feeling I got reading about where Gibbs might next turn up.

    Yeesh.

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    Ahhh...and I thought the budding nausea (5.00 / 6) (#12)
    by oldpro on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 02:13:03 PM EST
    was from my chemo treatments.

    Sources.  Good to know.

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    Sorry to hear that you are undergoing (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 02:21:03 PM EST
    chemo treatments. Been there - done that. Hopefully your treatment has a beginning and an end so that you can look forward to when food tastes good again.

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    Strangely, I haven't lost my (none / 0) (#31)
    by oldpro on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 10:25:23 PM EST
    taste for food.  Expect that may change when I move on to maintenance chemo in 3 weeks or so.  My last radiation treatment tomorrow...tolerating it pretty well.

    How's by you, MO?

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    From what I gather from people (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 01:37:06 PM EST
    I know who are on maintenance chemo the side effects vary per treatment type. Some treatments have little or no effect on how food tastes. Glad that your radiation treatments are over. Hopefully it gives you more time to spend away from treatments, doctors etc. We have very good support groups here and that might be something for you to look into if you haven't already.

    I've been through with chemo and radiation for about a year and a half now. My radiologist just told me that he would no longer need to see me. One more reconstruction surgery needed to patch up my chest (if it could go wrong with operation site etc., it did) in Dec or Jan and that is now going in the right direction. The first 5 years are high risk for my type of cancer and after that it falls back in the normal range (maybe even slightly less). I am almost to the 2 year mark with only 3 more to go. I've chosen to believe that I will do just fine and be around to spoil my great grandchildren ten years or so down the road.  

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    Terrific progress...so glad. (none / 0) (#39)
    by oldpro on Wed Oct 06, 2010 at 07:43:02 PM EST
    Keeping my fingers crossed for you!

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    Trust all is well, oldpro and any (none / 0) (#25)
    by KeysDan on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 03:15:10 PM EST
    nausea you do experience is from our enthusiasm gap.

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    Sigh...do not trust. (none / 0) (#32)
    by oldpro on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 10:34:25 PM EST
    All is not well but it is what it is...treatable, not curable.

    Treatment just trying to buy some extra time - perhaps another year, or two - to spend with friends and kid who lives abroad.

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    New treatment discoveries are happening (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 01:52:20 PM EST
    more quickly now with genetic research and stem cell applications etc. A year or two may be all it takes to find treatments that expand the extra time or move some forms of cancer into curable diseases. What a blessing that would be for so many people and their families.

    Best any of us can do, I guess,  is value the time we have to spend with friends and family and with the simple things that make us feel good (nature, music, art, reading etc.).

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    My best to you and family. (none / 0) (#36)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 01:00:01 PM EST
    ah... (none / 0) (#26)
    by sj on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 03:27:58 PM EST
    I'm glad to see you commenting, and sad to see your comments.

    Be well.

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    Thanks, sj... (none / 0) (#33)
    by oldpro on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 10:35:45 PM EST
    Never was real good at spelling (none / 0) (#11)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 02:12:33 PM EST
    maybe the feeling building should have been spelled "nausea."

    Could we have a 50 state initiative that adds a line to all ballots for "None of the Above" that would require a do over.

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    "But what have you done for me lately?" (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 02:27:04 PM EST
    This is the unspoken question voters, even generally supportive voters, want answered.  In every election.  Past.  Present.  And future.

    The politicians who can answer it get re-elected over and over again.  

    They think everyone (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Coral on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 02:50:49 PM EST
    follows politics as avidly as those who write & comment on political blogs do.

    Where is the "sell" message to the occasional voter? Where is the "pep rally" message to disaffected or distracted activists of 2008? These people couldn't give away candy to a 10 year old.

    Democratic insiders should spend a year in advertising, promoting stuff like toothpaste or processed cereal.

    Then maybe they'd understand that threats and insults are not the most persuasive tactics.

    Or they could refer to old sayings (5.00 / 4) (#21)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 02:59:25 PM EST
    like "You can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar."

    People seem to have known this for years and years and years, and they didn't even have to take Marketing 101 to figure it out.

    I'm increasingly inclined to buy the suggestion that they're doing this in order to prepare the scapegoat for the mid-term debacle.


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    Bingo! (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 03:05:18 PM EST
    I'm increasingly inclined to buy the suggestion that they're doing this in order to prepare the scapegoat for the mid-term debacle.


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    "Blame the Voters" has been part of (5.00 / 5) (#24)
    by Anne on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 03:10:23 PM EST
    the Obama strategy since the campaign, for heaven's sake - he tried to be subtle about it, but from time to time he would utter these directives that gave him the perfect "out" for when something failed to happen: we either didn't want it bad enough, hadn't done the hard work we needed to do to make it happen, or some such thing, and usually included the FDR-style "make me do it," which I came to hear as "you can't make me!"

    I guess enough of us didn't want a single-payer health system, even though I don't remember the poll numbers reflecting our disinterest; I certainly don't remember us urging the president and the Congress to please, whatever you do, take single-payer off the table and feel free to lock up anyone who has the, um, audacity, to try.

    I guess we really wanted the insurance companies to get a four-year head start on jacking up insurance premiums, trimming coverage and increasing our cost-sharing, so that they could raise the bar on what the "market" would bear.  And, shoot, we may have said we wanted more access to actual care, but seriously - can you believe anything we say?

    I guess we didn't really want a HOLC-type program to help homeowners underwater in their homes, but clamored instead for a program  - HAMP - that would sucker thousands into what was billed as a loan modification program but was really a way to totally ruin one's credit, get farther behind on the mortgage, and be on the fast track to being summarily dumped on the street; I guess we really wanted something that would be even more help for the banks in their hour of need.

    I guess we didn't really want comprehensive jobs legislation after all - those who don't have jobs are having the peachiest-keen time trying to live on unemployment checks - I mean it's like a vacation, for pete's sake - and who should just get to be on vacation all the time?  So what if they have to eat peanut butter and learn to love cat food - I mean, have you seen the kinds of things Anthony Bourdain and Andrew Zimmern eat and call "food?"  Sheesh.

    And speaking of Cat Food...I guess we haven't really been demanding that our president and his fellow deficit hysterics live in the real world where facts should play a role, and end their quest to "fix" social safety net programs by planning to cut benefits.  I think what we really wanted all along was someone to cut the legs out from under the old, the sick and the poor who are such a drain on us that the sooner they all die, the better for all of us, right?

    I could go on like this on issue after issue, but it's Monday, it's raining again, and I have a splitting headache - one that has not been helped by the constant stream of condescending and disrespectful drivel that ushers forth now on a daily basis from the lips of the Very Serious People in charge in Washington.

    I wish there were an option on the ballot for "Bite Me," because that, I think, would get more votes than anyone; unfortunately, I'm sure it would be interpreted to mean "Thank You," so that the wonderful people making policy and writing legislation could, with clear consciences, just carry on as usual.


    Yes, I like that voting option (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Zorba on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 04:01:24 PM EST
    "Bite me!"  LOL!  I feel like making a campaign sign for my front yard that says "None of the Above."

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    But it a proven sales technique ;-) (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by Edger on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 07:46:22 AM EST
    Call the prospects stupid, and tell them buying the product is the only way they can stop being stupid. The prospects of course will immediately reach for their wallets and say "where do I sign", yes?

    Of course, that result only happens in salespeople's dreams - and is the reason 90 percent of people who go into sales never make any money at the job.

    There is also a (real life) tried and true technique in sales and marketing that the democrats could try: the top sales producers in any industry constantly critique themselves and ask themselves "If I'm not getting the results I want to get, what am I doing to get the results I am getting?" But this would involve self-examination, so....

    All Gallup Indicators Point to Democratic Debacle in Midterms

    Well, (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 01:17:52 PM EST
    I don't think that Hispanics are going to vote for them are they? Isn't it more of an enthusiasm gap than anything?

    South Florida (none / 0) (#16)
    by Madeline on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 02:41:17 PM EST
    South Florida Hispanics are still a Republican bloc according to news. Polls also reflect this.  They always were I think. That is a big bloc of voters.

    I would like to know why too. Not beating them up because of it but what draws Hispanics to vote Republican?  Bill McCollum, (remember him?), won with the those voters.  

    Cuban Americans in S. Fl.... (none / 0) (#17)
    by trillian on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 02:47:26 PM EST
    ...have always voted Republican because of their continued hard line on Cuba and Castro.  

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    I believe they are primarily (none / 0) (#18)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 02:48:35 PM EST
    Cuban ex-pats in that area. Republican anti-communism efforts (or at least rhetoric) won them over.

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    Cuban Americans - sorry. (none / 0) (#19)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 02:49:15 PM EST
    Better description.

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    They will turn out to vote for Rubio (none / 0) (#23)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 03:05:39 PM EST
    But here's my question: how many will split their tickets for Sink?

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    Good question (none / 0) (#27)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 03:54:00 PM EST
    How much do they dislike Scott?

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    There's a real buck up (none / 0) (#29)
    by byteb on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 04:51:00 PM EST
    and stop whining crowd over at Dkos with the elections so close at hand and the commenter referred to is very vigilant about countering any less than positive remarks about the President and his administration.  Many have accepted the me-me that the left is to blame for the lack of enthusiasm found in many Democratic voters.

    I'm amazed... (5.00 / 5) (#30)
    by Romberry on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 06:31:51 PM EST
    ...that commenters on blogs think their "vigilance" in policing less than positive comments matters in any way. I'd say that amazement goes part and parcel with my amazement that quite a few people seem to have the idea that commenting on blogs is tantamount to political activism. It's the fighting keyboarders...or something like that.

    When I talk to friends and family about politics, none of them are paying the least bit of attention to the blogs. What they are paying attention to is the state of their lives, and their feelings about where we are and where we are headed.

    Blog readership is self-selecting. Commenters who believe that they are being "vigilant" by policing comments as though those comments have some broad and far reaching effect border on delusion. Obama and the Dems aren't in trouble because of the blogs. The dissatisfaction that shows up on the blogs is just a manifestation of the trouble that Obama and the Dems are in.

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    Latinos most like Reagan Dems (none / 0) (#34)
    by diogenes on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 11:04:25 PM EST
    As far as social values go, Latinos are much more like the Italians/Irish who became Reagan Democrats than they are like classic lib-dems.  In a generation you'll see them shift over.  After all, who would have thought that the white ethnics would have gone Republican in 1960?