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Election Day Morning : Predictions and Thoughts

No more polls, it's E-Day. My personal predictions:

  • Voter turnout will not be much higher than usual for mid-term elections.
  • The Dems will keep the Senate.
  • The predictions of huge sweeps and upsets by tea-partiers on a national level, or across the board, won't happen. Any "landslides" will be localized, and more a reflection of the peculiarities of the particular race than a indicator of a trend or a movement. [More...]

  • Republicans will make gains in the House and they will crow about it until January, but it will be empty posturing. The radical right won't get any serious legislation passed during the next two years. They'll have greater success at being obstructionist and blocking Democratic proposals, just like they've done the past two years, only on a bigger scale. It will backfire on them in 2012. We'll be in worse shape and the voters will rightfully blame them and boot them out.
  • Colorado predictions: Sen. Michael Bennet will squeak by Ken Buck. Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper will have an easier time beating Tom Tancredo for Governor. Democrats Ed Perlmutter, John Salazar and Diana DeGette will keep their House seats. Any seats lost will be in the smaller, more rural areas.

I haven't been particularly invested in this year's elections. Maybe it's because the Democrats (Obama, Reid, Pelosi) didn't fulfill the promise we hoped their combined leadership positions would bring. The health care bill fell short of what was needed, the Supreme Court picks didn't "wow", and there was compromise at every turn, from the crack cocaine penalty changes to commitment to closing Guantanamo to trying the 9/11 defendants in federal courts. Too much backing down and not enough backbone.

But there's no question in my mind that we are much better off than under the reign of Bush. That's one reason it's so important to vote today and do our part to prevent a return to the failed Republican policies of the past. And make no mistake, Republicans represent the failed past. They offer only a regression, nothing good for the future.

Ok, what are your predictions? And will Prop 19 pass or fail?

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    The Democrats will get their clocks cleaned (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by scribe on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 05:13:58 AM EST
    and lose the House while keeping the Senate narrowly.

    Most amusing bit of TV this morning:  Michelle Obama bleating "we need you" at a campaign rally.

    Should have thought of that last year when they were beating their base - you know, the people who show up for and organize all these political events outside the presidential elections - upside the head and shoulders with mockery, scorn and foul language, then lying to them about the  public option and "wanting" it when it had been traded away months before.

    Prop 19 will lose narrowly because ... too many Giants fans will be celebrating and somehow not make it to the polls.

    So for the next two years at least we get to look at the porcine mugs of Rove, Haley Barbour and their clones and the mindless droids of successful Teabagger candidates being controlled by their soon-to-be-former-lobbyists to do the bidding of the Koch brothers, and wonder whether the Rethuglican Establishment can somehow find someone to stop Sister Sarah.  And we get to watch the rage build even further after the rank and file of the Teabaggers realize they've been had, yet again, by the Rethuglican Establishment.

    I voted early, last week.  Unenthusiastically, mostly on initiative issues in my current jurisdiction, in accordance with the views I usually express here.

    A republican congress (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Edger on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:01:36 AM EST
    will be pathetically and utterly powerless, without Obama.

    Let's see what he does if republicans force through an HCR repealing bill and send it to him asking him to sign into law. Will he still preach bipartisanship with batsh*t crazy republicans? Will his bot followers still preach bipartisanship with batsh*t crazy republicans?

    War funding should continue to be a cakewalk.

    Someday Guantanamo will be closed. But not for quite a few years.

    The Democrats will get utterly stomped (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:08:37 AM EST
    Then President Obama will negotiate with the Republicans some more......and the "obstruction" won't look like "obstruction" at all AGAIN, and he will be primaried.  Before that though, big infighting within the Dem ranks will have broken out.  Prop 19 will miss by a slim margin.

    If Obama is out in 2012, that would be an (1.00 / 0) (#12)
    by observed on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:14:02 AM EST
    upside to today's catastrophe.

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    Possibly (5.00 / 0) (#24)
    by republicratitarian on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:59:47 AM EST
    I have a feeling that the R's will do enough in the next two years to piss everyone off that momentum will swing back in favor of the D's.

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    It would be better if I were wrong I think (none / 0) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:20:16 AM EST
    It would be much better if he fought with the obstructionists but he won't, and after what he did with the public option not many of us trust that he is honestly publicly as well as behind the scenes fighting for or against the same thing.

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    He's a Republican. Why would he (1.00 / 0) (#15)
    by observed on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:30:52 AM EST
    fight?
    The Democratic Party has been co-opted at the top by an enemy agent. Whether this was an actual plan or is simply a happy accident doesn't matter. He's one of them, not one of us.

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    Some people have said (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:43:40 AM EST
    Obama is an empty suit.  I haven't really known what to label him, but I don't suspect that he is that anymore.  He came with certain agendas and it looks like he will not deviate from those at this point.  But today's Democrats aren't anything like those of a decade ago and neither are the Republicans.  All that I can say about Obama is that he played the Dem voters but good.  He is not representing the people who put him where he is and he doesn't think he has to, and then he thinks he can whine about them abandoning him when that shakes out and he thinks it is legitimate and sound to do so.  From the interviews that I saw last week though with him, he still has no intention of representing those of us who voted for him.  

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    Obama's a very canny politician (1.00 / 0) (#21)
    by observed on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:54:23 AM EST
    who, I agree, completely played the Democrats about his core beliefs. In my view, he is a very typical politician, and extremely shallow.


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    Think that you are probably right (none / 0) (#44)
    by MO Blue on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:08:09 AM EST
    about everything but Obama being primaried. Slim possibility that he may chose not to run for a second term but IMO no Democratic would be willing to run a primary campaign against him. If a Democratic politician did win a primary challenge (extremely doubtful), they would be unable IMO to pull together enough of a coalition to win the general.  

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    John Fund (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:13:51 AM EST
    so take with lots of grains:

    Voter discontent this year isn't confined to the tea party. A new AP poll reports that 51% of Americans now think President Obama doesn't deserve re-election. More surprising, 47% of Democrats believe he should face a challenge for the party's nomination in 2012.

    Key donors have told the White House that the president should decide for certain whether he's running for re-election by the end of December. Should Mr. Obama's approval ratings slip further next year, there's talk that some donors may call on him not to run, or promote an independent candidacy by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

    It could go further. Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, told MSNBC in July that a primary challenge to Mr. Obama "is really possible," especially if he were to go back on his pledge to begin withdrawing U.S. troops from Afghanistan next year.



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    I do think that there is a chance, (none / 0) (#64)
    by MO Blue on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:55:46 AM EST
    albeit a slim one, that he might not run if his approval deteriorates quite a bit more. Chances increase considerably if big money says "not this time around." He has a history of moving on to other things rather quickly and in my assessment he would be more inclined to bow out rather than risk a sure defeat. IMO he could make quite a bit of money on the lecture tour, books etc.

    The atmosphere in the country is probably more favorable for an independent run than ever before so that is a possibility. Not sure that Bloomberg would provide a much more populist agenda which is what this country needs.

    I do think it is unlikely that Obama will lose the overwhelming support that he maintains with the AA community. Without their full support, I do not think that the Dems can put together a winning coalition.

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    That would be the doomsday (none / 0) (#89)
    by Socraticsilence on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 10:55:15 AM EST
    scenario- the one way the GOP can overcome its demographic death spiral-- the Party forces Obama out in 2012- pushing socially conservative African-Americans to consider the GOP because of the outright betrayal by the Dems.

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    I think the primary (none / 0) (#46)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:10:38 AM EST
    depends on what happen in the next  year or so.

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    He'll run again in 2012 (none / 0) (#47)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:10:52 AM EST
    He, like every other politician on the planet, has an ego the size of Texas.  Give up the WH, the staff, Air Force One, the meetings with heads of state, the parties, and the power?  Nah.  Especially when it's only 4 more years and then he can go off on the lecture circuit.  By then, the girls will be out of the house, so he and Michelle can travel in style.

    Barring some criminal indictment or some health related incapacitation, there is no chance that Obama doesn't run in 2012.

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    keep the senate (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:29:19 AM EST
    Harry wins
    I also think Bennet will win
    the democrat will win the Alaska senate seat

    Dems keep the Senate - barely, Repubs take (none / 0) (#17)
    by Angel on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:36:25 AM EST
    the House - big.  Miller wins in Alaska because he has the R behind his name.  Reid squeaks by in Nevada; O'Donnell loses; Rand wins - barely; Brown wins big in CA; Boxer wins by good margin; Pelosi is relegated to the history books as a l.o.s.e.r....; Boehner ends up being worse than Newt Gingrich; and, Obama keeps his tail between his legs until 2012.

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    think AK (none / 0) (#18)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:38:04 AM EST
    is going to be the happy surprise.  and we probably wont know for sure tonight or maybe even tomorrow.

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    I would LOVE to be wrong in my prediction (none / 0) (#22)
    by Angel on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:56:47 AM EST
    about AK.  Fingers crossed for McAdams.  :)

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    I think (none / 0) (#26)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 09:03:48 AM EST
    That's a pipe dream.  The question, it seems to be, for Alaska is are they going to send an extremely conservative Republican to the Senate or a more middle Republican to the Senate.  McAdams isn't even in the conversation.

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    we will (none / 0) (#29)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 09:06:40 AM EST
    see

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    You could be right (none / 0) (#39)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 09:55:44 AM EST
    But I don't know since many people don't even realize there IS a Democrat running in the race how that will play out.

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    it could play out like this (none / 0) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:08:49 AM EST
    Miller is dead meat.  and Murk is going to have so many challenged ballots there will be a chance for the dem.  but it could take days or weeks to count and deal with all the write ins.

    and it is hardly true no one knows he is running on 10/31 they were all stuck in the 30s

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    I don't think Miller is dead meat (none / 0) (#49)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:14:41 AM EST
    From what I've seen, he's actually rebounded in the last week or two and is out in front. The last poll I saw (from 10/31) had him out by 7.

    This is definitely one race that we may not know the results for days.

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    It could also play out that the write-ins (none / 0) (#67)
    by Joan in VA on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 11:18:40 AM EST
    won't even be counted if the total number is less than 99.5% of the first place candidates' total. So, if Murk pulls enough votes from Miller but not too many and McAdams does better than expected, he could win because the TPers shot themselves in the foot again. Priceless!

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    The secretary of state in WA (none / 0) (#1)
    by shoephone on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:27:47 AM EST
    predicts a turnout of 66-68%, about the same as in 2008! I think that voters here are both disgruntled and energized by the over-large number of state initiatives (many of which involve tax increases or deductions) and do realize the high stakes of this election. Republicans smell blood, and Dems know that keeping Murray and rejecting Rossi is an imperative for sane governing. Additionally, we now have all mail-in balloting, which makes voting much easier for many people. So, our turnout will be big.

    I expect the senatorial race to be a knock-down, drag-out fight over the vote counts, with lawyers already on call to take it to court. Once again, we will get to witness the state GOP in all its varying shades of dishonesty. They'll probably go after our current U.S attorney, as they did with John McKay. Still, I believe Murray will win.

    Dems here are set to lose two congressional seats--this will mean that our Democratic majority of 6-3 will become a GOP majority of 5-4. :-(

    At least I feel confident that both Boxer and Brown will carry the day in Cal. As for the rest of the races, they look too precarious to predict.

    One thing is sure: There will be lots of popcorn and butter for the audience in Alaska. If Miller actually wins, I fear we will never get rid of the incessantly ignorant Sarah Palin.

    I think the expectation that it will be as close a (none / 0) (#62)
    by esmense on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:41:48 AM EST
    other recent statewide elections may be wrong. This is the first statewide race since the late 90s that hasn't had a Libertarian on the ballot. In the past several elections those Libertarian candidates have been taking up to 20% of the vote -- and contributing to the failure of Republican candidates and the extremely narrow  margin of Democratic success.

    The Republicans are hopeful that in the first race in a long time that is clearly Dem vs. Rep many of those Libertarians -- who left them when the Republican state party went over to the dark side with Craswell as their candidate for governor against Gary Locke (basically being taken over by the extremely socially conservative Christian/Constitution Party types. Craswell is Sharon Angle, only farther Right).

    I don't know if they are right. On the one hand, the coastal Northwest -- Oregon and Washington -- is the one place in the country where the Tea Party has been a complete bust, garnering only a miniscule amount of voters in the primaries despite signifcant financial support. The national party's seeming decision to follow the same path that turned them off the state party could end up hurting Rossi, even though he's not a tea partier himself -- just a boring and rather unaccomplished conservative former state senator who they have been running in every statewide race for the last decade in an attempt to convince the electorate that they aren't really crazy anymore.

    But, on the other hand, what is likely to help Rossi with those voters is the state income tax proposal that's on the ballot (and all the other confusing tax and funding initiatives). They will likely bring out angry conservatives and Libertarians in droves.

    Yet, I'm still hopeful that Patty can pull it off. Rossi really doesn't have that much to offer personally and this race is not like the too close to call Governor's race where you had two not especially likeable candidates running agains each other (much like Reid and Angle) -- in that race Rossi was helped by the fact that Gregoire wasn't even well like by Democrats. Murray is pretty well like across the board.
     

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    Second round of Rossi v Gregoire (none / 0) (#88)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 05:39:36 PM EST
    left Rossi so far behind he couldn't demand a recount. That said a lot about how much this state likes him....and, that was after four years already of Gregoire's lousy leadership.

    I just have my fingers crossed that all those lying, negative ads he ran didn't make people question Patty's ethics. AND, I hope that if she wins, she doesn't get roped into anymore votes to coddle this administration when the bill isn't good for the people.


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    Oh, and on Prop 19... (none / 0) (#2)
    by shoephone on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:31:32 AM EST
    I think it will lose by a small margin.

    Not like '93! (none / 0) (#3)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:59:34 AM EST
    In '93, the big Republican swing was a surprise.  This year it's predicted.  This means that Republicans have to do really, really well for it to be big news.  

    And Dems may be able to look strong by not being beaten too badly.  If Dems can hold onto the Senate, win some major Governor's races, and lose under 50 seats in the House, they can almost spin it as a win.

    But that's just spin.  From a governing perspective it will be a bad night for Dems.  And Obama's is gonna have to do a lot if he's going to build any excitement for 2012.  Frankly, I'm starting to believe those who've suggested he'll pull an LBJ in '12.


    It's all about Prop 19... (none / 0) (#6)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 07:57:47 AM EST
    and Jimmy Mac for me today...kinda sad when all that grabs you on election day is a state ballot proposition on the other side of the country & a candidate for governor who "wins" by cracking 5%...but thats the two party system for ya.

    Was gonna vote on the way to the cube but the parking lot looked crowded at my polling place...will have to hit it on the way home.

    King Solomon, if you're out there, chime in out in Cali will ya?  A message must be sent, the drug war tide must be turned.

    The Republicans (none / 0) (#7)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:02:55 AM EST
    Take 55 seats in the House, and 7 in the Senate.

    Republicans will make gains in the House and they will crow about it until January, but it will be empty posturing. The radical right won't get any serious legislation passed during the next two years. They'll have greater success at being obstructionist and blocking Democratic proposals, just like they've done the past two years, only on a bigger scale. It will backfire on them in 2012. We'll be in worse shape and the voters will rightfully blame them and boot them out.

    I disagree.  If we truly are in worse shape in 2012, it's the guy at the top that gets blamed and Obama is booted out (especially if the R's only run the House and not the Senate).

    More importantly (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:05:04 AM EST
    After today, Republicans will control 34 governorships and pick up around 500 state legislature seats, meaning the decennial redistricting that takes place next year could have an impact for decades on the political landscape.

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    they wont get CA (none / 0) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:39:03 AM EST
    and I think they may not get FL either.

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    Florida (none / 0) (#25)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 09:01:11 AM EST
    Is too close to call - polls as of yesterday are within the margin of error, so it depends on who turns out in the Senate race.  I think Brown wins California, but I think Pennsylvania, Nevada, Michigan, Connecticut, Illinois, Iowa, Alaska, Georgia, New Mexico, and Wisconsin all get (or keep) Republican governors. Ohio is close, and depending on what poll you look at, it may or may not be within the margin of error (but Kasich leading all of them).

    Still - 34 governorships, in addition to most states having Republican legislatures is a big deal.

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    People are delusional if they think (none / 0) (#9)
    by Buckeye on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:08:36 AM EST
    Repubs being obstructionists and watching the country's economy perform poorly is going to hurt them in 2012.  Democrats took over Congress in 2006, the entire economy tailspinned, and they made further gains as well as taking the White House.  This is a President obsessed country with his party taking the blame/credit for anything that happens on his/her watch.  

    Furthermore, obstructionism helped the Republicans take control of Congress in 2010 (if it indeed happens).  Unfortunately, Obama failing is the best thing that could happen to Republicans and they know it.

    Let's face it, the Obama, Reid, Pelosi triumverate had their golden opportunity to drive a generational agenda like FDR and blew it.

    Sorry, forgot to put in my prediction. (none / 0) (#11)
    by Buckeye on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:11:54 AM EST
    Republicans take 8 senate seats, 65 house seats, and have 34 Governorships.  They make further gains in the House and Senate in 2012 due to an unpopular President, redistricting from more Governors, and unfavorable geographics in the Senate (Democrats will be defending twice as many seats as Republicans with most of them being in the South, Midwest, and Mountain West).

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    The (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:33:08 AM EST
    conventional wisdom seems to be that if the GOP goes over 47 seats it's a landslide.

    I voted last week, so (none / 0) (#23)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:58:08 AM EST
    yay for me, I guess...

    Republicans will make gains in the House and they will crow about it until January, but it will be empty posturing. The radical right won't get any serious legislation passed during the next two years. They'll have greater success at being obstructionist and blocking Democratic proposals, just like they've done the past two years, only on a bigger scale. It will backfire on them in 2012. We'll be in worse shape and the voters will rightfully blame them and boot them out.

    I'm not so sure the posturing will be of the empty variety, mainly because of what we're hearing out of the WH and some of the leadership about how much more important it will be to work with Republicans in the new Congress.  Democrats, if they are relegated to minority status in the House, can expect to be frozen out once again, and instead of pushing back, hard, they will assume their usual bent-over position - leading not to obstruction of Republican legislation, but passage of a lot of it.  And the big question is, will Obama be pushing back with vetos, or will he be signing legislation that is "the best we could do under the circumstances?"

    I'm betting on the latter - because if we can assume Obama will be running again in 2012, he will be looking - foolishly - to be making more friends on the GOP side of the aisle.

    I haven't been particularly invested in this year's elections. Maybe it's because the Democrats (Obama, Reid, Pelosi) didn't fulfill the promise we hoped their combined leadership positions would bring. The health care bill fell short of what was needed, the Supreme Court picks didn't "wow", and there was compromise at every turn, from the crack cocaine penalty changes to commitment to closing Guantanamo to trying the 9/11 defendants in federal courts. Too much backing down and not enough backbone.

    At some point, with majorities in both houses, and a Democrat in the WH, one has to ask whether the real problem is lack of spine or fear of losing the all-important, can't-get-elected-without-it, drowns-out-the-voice-of-the-people corporate cash.

    As far as electing Democrats to avoid returning to the failed Republican policies of the past, I'm not so sure we can count on Democrats to keep us from going there; Obama's continued many of the Bush policies, extended the reach of others, and I didn't notice a whole lot of pushback from the Dems.  On the stimulus, the Democratic caucus did the bidding of their fearful leader and prevented it from being as robust as many felt it should be.  We didn't get reforms to health care or an Affordable Care Act, we got strengthening of the insurance company's hold on us in the form of the Not-So-Affordable Care and Insurance Industry Protection Act.  

    Really, this was the best they could do - for us - with their majorities?  

    I think the real questions are, where does Obama want to lead us, and will the Democratic Congressional caucus ever start acting like members of the independent legislative branch, or will they continue to march in lock-step with Obama - even when Obama's policies are the wrong ones?

    I'm not particularly confident on any of these fronts - and I don't really believe preserving the Democratic majority was going to make much, if any difference.

    I hope I'm wrong on all counts.


    I'm not sure about passing the whole (none / 0) (#28)
    by republicratitarian on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 09:06:35 AM EST
    Republican legislation thing. If the Senate is still controlled by the Dem's then any legislation that get's to the prez would have to go through them first. I see either compromises all around or gridlock. If it's gridlock, then that's just going to piss voters off and hurt the R's in the next election and we'll see more changes.

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    If you look at the composition of (none / 0) (#54)
    by MO Blue on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:26:23 AM EST
    Democratic Party members who will remain in the Senate, you will notice that there are enough conserva-Dems  to meet the cloture requirements on most Republican legislation even if the Dems maintain a slim majority.

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    Would that be enought to put a bill (none / 0) (#72)
    by republicratitarian on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:20:12 PM EST
    on the presidents desk? If they still control the Senate, wouldn't they control what bills get through committees and what bills come to the floor?

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    With a 60 vote majority (none / 0) (#76)
    by MO Blue on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:05:43 PM EST
    some really bad bills and amendments got to the Senate floor. No faith that all of a sudden a slim majority will take the Senate in a better direction.

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    I wish we could vote early or better (none / 0) (#70)
    by MO Blue on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 11:50:00 AM EST
    yet by mail here in Missouri. Happy to be voting in favor of the puppies but never liked blue dogs.

    Whatever happens the rich and the corporations will continue to win at the expense of everyone else. With unlimited funds providing them the ability to influence so many elections, I don't know how to fix a definitely broken system. Find the whole political environment depressing to say the least.

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    5 Reasons Democrats Could Hold the House (none / 0) (#27)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 09:06:01 AM EST
    Nate Silver

    1. The cellphone effect.

    2. The "robopoll" effect.

    3. Some likely voter models, particularly Gallup's, may "crowd out" Democratic voters.

    4. Democrats probably have better turnout operations.

    5. The consensus view of Democratic doom is not on such sound footing as it seems.


    Silver also says this (none / 0) (#30)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 09:22:30 AM EST
    A scenario like this one is possible tomorrow -- not particularly likely, but possible -- just as a 77-seat Republican gain is possible. It's probably a somewhat greater possibility than people realize.


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    knew (none / 0) (#31)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 09:23:46 AM EST
    you would have to respond to that

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    Still (none / 0) (#32)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 09:25:11 AM EST
    Keeping your earlier predictions that the Dems won't lose the House?

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    no predictions. (none / 0) (#33)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 09:27:11 AM EST
    but I think its possible.

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    House (none / 0) (#37)
    by star on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 09:49:46 AM EST
    Dems will lose the house and keep senate(just about). It will be a better outcome if dems either kept both house and senate or lost both.
    Split congress will work to R's advantage. Had they won both houses,Public would have held them responsible for their actions in the next 2 years. But split congress helps R's be obstructionists , with out having to take any responsibility.
    Also it will not really make Obama change track at all.
    Nothing much will get done in the next 2 years and that is bad for Obama for 2012.

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    first (none / 0) (#41)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:03:40 AM EST
    nothing would have gotten done even if we kept both houses of congress.
    second I doubt very much if the public would hold republicans responsible for anything.
    they have not in two years of obstructionism.

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    The public (none / 0) (#43)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:08:08 AM EST
    Held Republicans responsible in 2006 and 2008. Why would they do that?

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    Obstructionism (none / 0) (#50)
    by star on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:18:28 AM EST
    Has and will work to advantage of R's so long as they do not have to take responsibility. In 2006 and 2008 they were held accountable since they held both house and senate and got their clock cleaned. Just as Dems are getting hammered today.

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    MItch has already (5.00 / 0) (#51)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:22:02 AM EST
    said stopping everything and making Obama a one term president is job one.  does it sound like they are afraid of obstructionism.

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    They don't have to be (none / 0) (#56)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:27:44 AM EST
    The Republicans will set the agenda in the House, where they will pass legislation to their liking.  It will do to the Democratically controlled Senate, where it will languish and die (I mean, with both chambers being under the control of Dems, the Senate left tons of bills to die as well).

    Who's going to be seen as the obstructionists?  The House will look like it's doing something (rightly or wrongly), and the Dem-controlled Senate could end up looking like the obstructionists.

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    thanks (none / 0) (#58)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:28:56 AM EST
    for making my point

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    Your point (none / 0) (#59)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:29:49 AM EST
    Was that the Dems will look like the obstructionists?

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    Not afraid (none / 0) (#57)
    by star on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:28:20 AM EST
    I believe they will embrace it more so now. If they win senate, they will be held accountable for their obstructionism, but with senate and WH in Dems hands, they can obstruct all they want and truly get away with it.
    Last 2 years, with supper majority  - Senate ,house and WH strongly and decisively in Dem hands, they did not get the business of country done as they should have. They did not enact any truly progressive ideas , which would have fired up the base. Instead we were told not to 'Whine'.
    This scenario(split congress) is different from 94 when R's had to take some responsibility for their actions.

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    My prediction is (none / 0) (#34)
    by CST on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 09:30:40 AM EST
    I will be drinking tonight.  Either in celebration (statewide wins) or despair (statewide losses).

    Focusing on the home base, because frankly I kind of think the rest of the country is f*cked anyway.

    So I'll be rooting for Gov. Deval, the ballot questions to go down in flames, Barney Frank, and William Keating.

    If I get those wins, I'll be a happy camper.

    I guess it would be nice to hold on to the senate as well.  I think the house is a lost cause.

    Deval (none / 0) (#35)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 09:32:28 AM EST
    having a race is a bit of a surprise.

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    In what way? (none / 0) (#36)
    by CST on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 09:45:09 AM EST
    I think 2 years ago people assumed Deval was toast.  He did not have a good start.  

    But he's come together the last 2 years.  We're doing better than a lot of states economically.  He had that showdown with the insurance companies that played really well - and was also effective at keeping premiums down.  He's even managed to turn Boston into a bit of a movie mecca.  There haven't been any major screw-ups recently.  Mostly though - I think it's people realizing how much better off we are than other states right now.

    We've had a lot of republican gov's.  But Romney left a really sour taste.  Deval is not Romney.  And Charlie Baker is a former CEO of a Health Insurer.  I think Deval pulls this one off.

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    Looks really close in MA (none / 0) (#38)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 09:54:52 AM EST
    Do you think Patrick will get the indies or "unenrolled" voters?  From what I've been reading, they are the fastest growing voter bloc in the state.

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    he probably won't win them (none / 0) (#55)
    by CST on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:26:56 AM EST
    but it's more a matter of whether or not he gets enough of them to win anyway.

    I think voter turnout today will be very high.  Which is probably a good thing for Deval.

    I also think a lot of outsiders don't realize how badly he was polling a year ago.  To even be in a close race right now is a big turn-around.

    I think (hope?) he pulls it off.

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    in the ways you mention (none / 0) (#40)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:01:42 AM EST
    But he's come together the last 2 years.  We're doing better than a lot of states economically.  He had that showdown with the insurance companies that played really well - and was also effective at keeping premiums down.  He's even managed to turn Boston into a bit of a movie mecca.  There haven't been any major screw-ups recently.  Mostly though - I think it's people realizing how much better off we are than other states right now.

    just surprising.  I would have thought he would have a pretty easy time.  

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    A poll from a month ago (none / 0) (#42)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:06:50 AM EST
    May give some indications. And yes, I realize things can change, but people's attitudes about things like the economy don't swing dramatically in a month.

    The intense voter focus on the economy makes it tough for Patrick to advance his case that Massachusetts is on a path to recovery -- and at a faster clip than the rest of the country. Indeed, 41 percent of those polled said they are worse off now than they were a year ago, even though Massachusetts has been adding jobs for months; 36 percent said they are coping about the same, and 21 percent said they are better off.

    Only 40 percent said the state is going in the right direction, while 50 percent disagreed. Those numbers remains unchanged since the June poll, although they are an improvement from July 2009, when Patrick's popularity was at its lowest.

    The poll indicates that Patrick's standing with voters, which seemed to be improving in polls taken earlier this year, has plateaued. Voters hold largely the same opinion of him as they did in June -- 42 percent of poll respondents this time said they viewed him favorably, compared with 43 percent who see him unfavorably.

    Patrick's appeal to unenrolled voters is perilously low. Only 24 percent of self-described independents have a favorable opinion of the governor, compared with 59 percent who view him unfavorably.

    Patrick has other hurdles, notably a prevailing anti-incumbent mood. A majority of likely voters polled, 52 percent, said they want a new group of leaders in Washington and Massachusetts; only 29 percent said they trust the current leadership. Patrick's job approval rating continues to remains low, as well. Only 40 percent of likely voters say they approve of the job he is doing, while 48 percent disapprove.



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    ahh (none / 0) (#52)
    by CST on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:22:08 AM EST
    well, if you consider that a year ago, his approval rating was 20% - he's doing pretty good right now.

    A lot of people thought Deval was a dead man walking.

    He had a lot of early screw ups.  The gambling debacle, the drapes, some cronyism, etc...  And a lot of bad press.

    But I think people are starting to get the big picture.

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    It's still (none / 0) (#53)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:24:27 AM EST
    Going to come down to the indies, isn't it?

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    maybe (none / 0) (#60)
    by CST on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:31:39 AM EST
    One thing that's helping Deval is that there is an Independant candidate running for Gov. (Tim Cahill - former Dem. treasurer) who is expected to pull about 10% - mostly from people who might otherwise vote for Baker.

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    hmm, not certain of that (none / 0) (#82)
    by eparrot on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:36:43 PM EST
    Cahill pulls from dems too. Polling hasn't been clear who it's hurting more. I suspect in the end cahill will underperform the polls.

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    you could be right (none / 0) (#85)
    by CST on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:45:57 PM EST
    I agree, I think Cahill doesn't pull as much - election is too close - people will make a decision.

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    Lack of enthusiasm in Wisconsin (none / 0) (#61)
    by Cream City on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:31:39 AM EST
    as the White House called it, is evident in the major Dem stronghold, the state's largest city and population center.  Lots of signs for our Dem mayor running for gov, although the silver lining is that it looks like he'll remain our mayor.

    But hardly a Feingold sign to be seen even in this very Dem area, so we'll have to hope that was good strategy to get the signs to where they're needed?  Half a block from a polling place in the most densely populated part of the city, we are seeing no parking problems, and in the polls, we saw no lines.  Similar reports are coming in from all over the city (to the state's major paper, set up to take readers' reports).  

    But in the burbs, many of them red -- and especially in the county to the west, one of the reddest in the country, reports are of far higher turnout. . . .

    Here is a prediction from the Globe (none / 0) (#63)
    by CST on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 10:47:57 AM EST
    Deval wins... barely.  Link

    But my favorite part is this:

    "Question 1 - Passes
    Question 2 - Fails, it's too complicated.
    Question 3 - Fails, but I think it's close."

    Question 1 - CHEAPER BOOZE!!!

    Note - I will be voting no on question 1.  But if it passes and question 3 fails, I think that says something pretty funny about people.  VICE.

    You can tax my detergent... (none / 0) (#65)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 11:10:06 AM EST
    but keep your greasy government hands off my Sam Adams Winter Lager!

    Sh*t, Question # 1 should pass in honor of Sam Adams alone.  Mass. might need a Prop 19 to make up for the lost vice-generated revenue after this:)

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    There was a non-binding resolution (none / 0) (#66)
    by itscookin on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 11:18:01 AM EST
    To decriminalize marijuana use on the MA ballot.

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    An emptier gesture... (none / 0) (#69)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 11:39:45 AM EST
    is hard to imagine...non-binding resolution?  Sounds like a case of the runs.

    Decriminalization works for me, but it won't wet the state's beak with vice tax dollars...would save some bucks on enforcement though, which certainly helps.

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    in '08 (none / 0) (#74)
    by CST on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:21:51 PM EST
    there was a binding resolution that turned it into a civil offense with a $100 fine.  Essentially the same as a traffic ticket.

    That way they keep the money coming in :)

    It passed by a landslide.  It won more votes than anything else on the ballot, including Obama.

    What can I say, we like our vice.

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    We all do sister... (none / 0) (#75)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:48:50 PM EST
    from sea to shining sea...and the man knows we'll pay through the nose, break the law, whatever it takes.

    I hope your six packs will be cheaper soon and vice strikes back!

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    The Globe is reporting (none / 0) (#79)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:56:31 PM EST
    Heavy turnout in the suburbs,  Isn't that good news for Republicans?

    Galvin (The Massachusetts Secretary of State) told the Globe he expects 2.4 million registered voters to head to the polls today, a turnout that has not been seen in a nonpresidential year since 1990 when the Massachusetts economy was struggling as it is now.

    Galvin said he based his prediction, in part, on the fact that more than 132,000 voters had already filled out ballots. In January, when Brown was elected, 2.25 million voters participated in that election, 107,000 of them absentee voters.



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    mmm not necessarily (none / 0) (#80)
    by CST on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:30:07 PM EST
    depends on which suburbs...  and frankly, depends which way the wind is blowing.  "Boston suburbs" means a lot of things.  They have certainly elected Democrats in the past - as well as Republicans - so who knows.  Cambridge might qualify as a "suburb" and they went 90% for Martha Coakley.  (I doubt they qualify in this case)

    The heavy turnout is related to close congressional races - which could mean a split vote.

    What we saw in '09 with Scott Brown was turnout waay down in Dem areas.  Turnout in Boston is "steady", above '09.

    Scott Brown won a lot of districts, but I think he only had a 5% margin statewide.

    In other words, we don't really know anything yet.

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    I was reading (somewhere) (none / 0) (#81)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:34:05 PM EST
    That at least one South Shore town had 25% turnout (of total voters, I think) before noon.  It also said the South Shore is a heavy Republican enclave - true?

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    mostly true (none / 0) (#83)
    by eparrot on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:38:52 PM EST
    again, it depends exactly where.  The further south or closer to the coast, the more Republican.

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    until you hit (none / 0) (#86)
    by CST on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:46:52 PM EST
    P-town :)

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    sort of... (none / 0) (#84)
    by CST on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:44:43 PM EST
    I think you are talking about Plymouth (if we read the same article).

    But "heavy Republican enclave" doesn't mean the same thing in MA as it does in other states.

    For example, Scott Brown won 64% of the vote in Plymouth.  Obama won 52.5% of the vote.  Mitt Romney won 59% of the vote.  And Deval won with 48% of the vote in '06 (vs. 40% for the Republican).

    When you are comparing that to say - Cambridge, a "heavy Democratic enclave" where Martha Coakley won 90% of the vote, it's not quite in that territory.

    Basically, there is no "heavy Republican enclave" in MA.  If Republicans want to win here, they have to sweep a lot of the state.

    Anecdotally - my sister just texted me that our voting place is "crawling with voters".  Which is something I've never seen happen.  So it could be that Boston turnout comes later in the day as well.

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    Thanks for the insight (none / 0) (#87)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:48:47 PM EST
    I've never been to Massachusetts, so I'm trying to understand the lay of the land here.

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    Harry and Sharon (none / 0) (#68)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 11:24:21 AM EST
    One key thing you need to know is that about 65 percent of Nevada has already voted. And those results are already in

    First,  the early vote results show that strictly on party registration, Democrats actually have a 9,000-vote lead from votes already cast. (Jon Ralston, the king of all political media here, has an excellent round-up). This is a surprising number, given that this is the nationalized race of what is supposed to be a wave election, and it indicates that Reid may have stopped the bleeding several weeks ago, enough to shore up his base and get out his vote. And the Reid campaign believes -- given that Angle is so far outside the mainstream of even conservative Republican politics, and given the sizeable Republicans for Reid operation in the state -- that Senator Reid will pick up more disaffected Republican votes than Angle will pick up disaffected Democratic votes.



    IF he pulls this out (none / 0) (#71)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:08:57 PM EST
    He still needs to go as Majority Leader.

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    In Maryland, where we have (none / 0) (#73)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:21:30 PM EST
    early voting, it is being reported that Democratic turnout during that period ran well ahead of Republican, but two things to keep in mind: (1) this is a heavily Democratic state and (2) that more Dems have turned out doesn't mean they voted Democratic.

    I tend to think they probably did at least for the governor's race - I think MD Dems are pretty determined not to send former Republican governor Ehrlich back to the statehouse, which will work in the incumbent Dem's favor - but how they are voting in other races is anyone's guess.

    Interestingly, Republican Ehrlich has already stated that if he is elected, he will work to end early voting, for one; this is the same guy who, in the 2006 election that he lost as the incumbent governor, did this:

    The six Trailways motorcoaches draped in Ehrlich and Steele campaign banners rumbled down Interstate 95 just before dawn on Election Day.

    On board, 300 mostly poor African Americans from Philadelphia ate doughnuts, sipped coffee and prepared to spend the day at the Maryland polls. After an early morning greeting from Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr.'s wife, Kendel, they would fan out in white vans across Prince George's County and inner-city Baltimore, armed with thousands of fliers that appeared to be designed to trick black Democrats into voting for the two Republican candidates.

    The glossy fliers bore photos of black Democratic leaders on the front. Under the headline "Democratic Sample Ballot" were boxes checked in red for Ehrlich and Senate candidate Michael S. Steele, who were not identified as Republicans. Their names were followed by a long list of local Democratic candidates.

    There's more in that article that reveals a disturbing lack of character.

    So, far, none of the same kind of dirty tricks that he and Steele - yes, that Steele - used in 2002 and 2006 have been reported...but the day's not over yet!

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    Also in Maryland... (none / 0) (#77)
    by DancingOpossum on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:11:36 PM EST
    Also did early voting, which is great!

    Yeah, I don't see how Maryland voters--who booted Ehrlich after one term--would return that scumbag to office. He was probably hoping to ride on anti-incumbent fervor but forgot that things are not that horrible in Maryland compared to other states, so people may not be as ready to upset the status quo. The latest pre-election polls showed O'Malley's lead increasing over Ehrlich--but still...you never know. I still remember those "Another Democrat for Ehrlich" bumper stickers from that last debacle.

    Also voted on a local proposition that, I was told by pollworkers, was really driving up turnout in my county. I voted against it (Question A) and polls on it have been exactly 50-50 so that is one race I am watching with interest.

    Aside from O'Malley, I voted a straight third-party ticket: Greens wherever one was running and Libertarians where there were no Green candidates. My useless Dem representatives and county council rep will likely win re-election but they can do it without my help.


    I voted in Northern Virginia (none / 0) (#78)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:22:29 PM EST
    Alexandria, to be exact.  Since I'm off work today, I walked to my polling place and got a nice 2 1/2 mile walk in.  Polling place was on a community college campus (the one where Dr. Jill Biden works!), and the only person handing out campaign literature was a supporter of Congressman Jim Moran.  I don't know if that means he's so far ahead in the polls over his Republican opponent, that they decided not to have volunteers manning the polls, or if he's so far behind that he's desperate to get the last word before people vote.

    I voted for Moran and we had three constitutional amendments on the ballot as well.  I walked right up and voted - no waiting (although it was noon).

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