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What's going on in your world today?

It looks like the tax bill will pass the House sometime tonight or tomorrow morning at the latest.

Here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Crying Congress (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by dissenter on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 07:48:41 PM EST
    I have been thinking about how angry I am listening to Republicans whine about working AROUND Christmas...how it is somehow anti-American and anti-Christian.

    I wish someone would remind this country that George Washington, with enlistments expiring at the end of 1776, crossed the Delaware in a surprise attack on Christmas Day to ensure the birth of this country.

    I hope that the Senate can do one decent thing before this travesty of a Congress ends and that is repeal DADT.

    I'd whine too because (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by BrassTacks on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 12:59:46 AM EST
    They could have done ALL of this months ago, now it must be done RIGHT THIS MINUTE.  I feel sorry for the staffs on the Hill who have to work around the clock because these goofball Senators and reps didn't get their job done months ago.  

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    Current Republicans (none / 0) (#8)
    by CoralGables on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 08:18:34 PM EST
    said to be on board for repeal:

    Collins
    Snowe
    Brown
    Murkowski
    Toomey

    Any other Republican that have given a hint they will vote for repeal?

    A potential lost vote...Ron Wyden will possibly miss the vote for prostate cancer surgery.

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    I just saw that on TV (none / 0) (#9)
    by dissenter on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 08:48:22 PM EST
    I hope they actually do it. Let's hope the DREAM Act and START can get through too. Bad news on Wyden. Glad they caught the cancer early. I am sending him good thoughts:)

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    Going to be an odd rollcall tonight (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by andgarden on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 10:05:27 PM EST
    but the House is about to extend George Bush's tax cuts permanently.

    Thanks Mr. President!

    Permanently?! (none / 0) (#16)
    by observed on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 10:09:08 PM EST
    The legislation purports to be for 2 yrs (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by andgarden on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 10:10:26 PM EST
    Do not believe it.

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    Don't take away from Obama's (none / 0) (#18)
    by observed on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 10:12:40 PM EST
    historic victory,man!!

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    Oh, it's a historic victory (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by andgarden on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 10:14:50 PM EST
    And it's probably a pretty good deal for a lot of people I know. But it's terrible for America and for the weakest among us.

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    Bart Simpson Chalkboard: (5.00 / 0) (#21)
    by andgarden on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 10:36:06 PM EST
    "I will not listen to C-SPAN callers. I will not listen to C-SPAN callers. I will not listen to C-SPAN callers. . ."

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    good deal now for the people you know (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by nycstray on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 12:47:49 AM EST
    or good deal long term for the people you know?

    I know my unemployed sister may get a break now (continued UI), but she'll get scr*wed on SS down the line. Me, I'll get scr*wed on both ends (no help with jobs and economy now/SS future)

    But HEY!~ Let's hear it for the 2%ers . . .

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    I know more than a few top 2%ers (none / 0) (#31)
    by andgarden on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 12:59:29 AM EST
    I'm adjusting my perspective (none / 0) (#42)
    by ruffian on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:21:43 AM EST
    Why should I care about what is good for the country when I myself am being benefitted?

    I couldn't be happier.

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    I tried thinking like a conservative (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by Towanda on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 09:40:06 AM EST
    that way, too.  It brought brief surcease from the pain all around me, but I've been reality-based too long, it seems.  I was a liberal again within hours.

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    yeah, it doesn't really work (5.00 / 3) (#63)
    by ruffian on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 10:11:48 AM EST
    I guess I'm liberal to the bone.

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    When's the revolution? (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by shoephone on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 11:35:56 PM EST
    Seriously. What will it take to get people out in the streets protesting the destruction of the nation as we know it? We are now falling down the economic sinkhole -- and we're not getting out. It's going to be a permanent condition. It will be Obama's legacy.

    Good going Mr. President -- you get to take credit for turning the country over to the plutocrats and demolishing social security in one fell swoop. I wonder of you'll feel proud of that on November 6, 2012, when you lose the White House.

    That's what I want to know... (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Anne on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 07:09:50 AM EST
    how bad does it have to get before people are moved to act in large numbers?

    And then I start to think about it...

    Maybe it's a case of the people whose lives really haven't changed all that much - those of us with jobs, who can pay our bills, who may have made a few changes here and there as a result of the downturn in the economy - being lulled into a sense of "let's not rock the boat - I'll just keep doing what I'm doing and everything will be okay," and those whose lives have fallen off a cliff are so beaten down, and so consumed with trying to stay afloat, that they have nothing left over for protest.

    When I heard that Obama may use his SOTU speech to call for benefit cuts and the "tough choices" of austerity, the phrase I heard in my head was "storming the gates."

    And then I realized that where there have been large protests over the last 10 years or so, they've been little more than news items: the media report on them, give us the aerial view and an estimate of the crowd, a few sound bites and - ho-hum - on to the next story with nary a change in tone.  And the government's response  ...crickets...

    We've been beaten down just by being ignored; people don't think civil protest works anymore, so why do it?

    It might be about the saddest thing of all - that people don't believe they matter, and there is less and less evidence that they're wrong to feel that way.

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    Because of press cooption, (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by observed on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 07:19:02 AM EST
    you need a bigger,sustained protest for effect.... A nationwide general strike,e.g.

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    panem et circenses (bread and circuses) (5.00 / 3) (#38)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 07:42:17 AM EST
    From Juvenal, Roman Poet in about 100 AD:

    Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions -- everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses

    We have 3 bazillion channels of television, from cooking to 'real houswives' to pregnant teens. Fatty foods that calm us are cheap, healthy foods are expensive.

    So... we have the bowl season, the March MAdness, the Playoff Season, and so forth... Yes, I'm a football fan, but the spectacle is remindful of Rome, isn't it?

    A fat, dumb, and happy electorate. Look at who doesn't vote, or how many. We're living in 'imperial America' in many ways, and the Plutocrats do what they want, for themselves, and tell us we like it.

    Or, to mix dystopias...we're supposed to take, daily, our Soma, and enjoy.

    No, I'm not feeling cynical...

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    Yes (none / 0) (#39)
    by smott on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 07:57:22 AM EST
    Short of violence, protests are just protests.

    They have to have an impact on someone's bottom line. Strikes for ex. Or boycotts. Boycott a bank, try to topple a corporation.

    Unlikely but the press would notice more and the plutocrats just might too.

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    Sign it's too late (none / 0) (#76)
    by waldenpond on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 12:16:05 PM EST
    I have been reading on collapsing societies.  Did you know that once the protests have started, it's typically too late?  

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    I wonder if (none / 0) (#104)
    by shoephone on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 10:56:11 PM EST
    French and English citizens feel that way -- that their recent protests are futile because they're now collapsed societies. I don't think they'd agree with you. Their economies are suffering, particular in Great Britain, but that doesn't mean the society has collapsed. Same with France.

    If the clarion call went out for protest, I'd be there. And it's not beyond belief that my congressman would be there too, speaking at the microphone and rallying the crowd. Based on what I've heard him saying on NPR, CNN, and other shows this past week, he's absolutely furious at Obama.

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    Oculus & Guiness... (5.00 / 4) (#40)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:05:19 AM EST
    made for excellent company.  She is as engaging as her comments, and all around lovely.  A trooper too, no cabs...subway and walking the streets in the December chill.

    Thanks Oc!  Enjoy the rest of your stay and  travel safe.

    Sounds like so much fun (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by ruffian on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:23:57 AM EST
    Glad you had a fine time!

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    I checked the Times, and apparently (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:35:01 AM EST
    y'all didn't cause enough trouble to make the front page. Post is next. Did y'all at least make Page 6? ;-)

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    Nothing on Gawker either as far as I could tell (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by ruffian on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:42:35 AM EST
    I was hoping they were secret celebrities! Maybe Meryl Steep and one of the Kennedies.

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    Or the Dead Kennedys... (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:43:49 AM EST
    I've long thought that kdog is actually Jello Biafra.

    I may be wrong, but I don't know... the similarities in words are striking.

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    Ask away... (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:44:36 AM EST
    we sure talked about all of you and how sharp you all are!

    But no pictures were taken (sorry Sarc), we decided we must protect the secret identities of our online super heroes.  Err, no pictures were taken by us, I'm sure the NYPD and private surveillance apparatus have plenty.

    Amd sorry Jeff...needed at least another pint or four before making the papers woulda been possible:)  I warned y'all my online rep is vastly overblown...Oculus will tell ya, I'm pretty tame in real life.

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    Ha! Glad you guys had a good time. (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 03:09:13 PM EST
    Another online gang I hang out with on occasion calls getting together in real life an "offline."

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    We want more details! (none / 0) (#41)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:07:40 AM EST
    It's Tl gossip time!

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    OK, that's it. (none / 0) (#105)
    by shoephone on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 11:08:35 PM EST
    I'm officially jealous.

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    An excellent evening Thank (5.00 / 3) (#57)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:57:44 AM EST
    you, kdog. And thanks for the compliments. I was going to tell everyone you are, in real life, you are the man behind the Tea Party movement.
    I can't now!

    PS. kdog's significant other is beautiful!

    And... (none / 0) (#58)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 09:09:20 AM EST
    she's a practical joker too!

    Tea Party...lol.  The only tea parties I've attended involved jazz-era "tea" in copious amounts.  And I was ready if you had asked to join a tea party for 2:)

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    But how do we know that (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 09:19:32 AM EST
    the 'real' kdog and the 'real' oculus are posting??? Maybe they are actually the same person.

    Okay, gotta get these meds adjusted...

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    You mean... (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 09:51:33 AM EST
    like "Fight Club"?

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    Heh, my favorite movie (none / 0) (#64)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 10:20:02 AM EST
    But is Oculus... (none / 0) (#66)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 10:22:45 AM EST
    my Tyler Durden or am I her Tyler Durden?

    Was an awesome flick...keep meaning to get around to the book, ever read it?

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    I haven't (none / 0) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 10:28:04 AM EST
    I should probably read it too.  I think I will make that my New Year's resolution.  To read Fight Club by the end of January.  January is always so boring, and this is probably a really good time to fully understand how to make homemade soap :)  I do know that Santa is bringing me the movie Kickass though.  I accidentally found it hidden.

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    Definitely read the book. (none / 0) (#99)
    by caseyOR on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 05:21:43 PM EST
    It is excellent. Chuck Palahniuk can be hard to take, but, man is he a good writer. And I'm not just saying that because he's a Portlander, too.

    So, high thee to a library or bookstore and secure a copy of Fight Club soon.

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    How fun (none / 0) (#65)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 10:22:07 AM EST
    I bet you guys had a great time.

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    We were in agreement... (none / 0) (#68)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 10:26:14 AM EST
    that you must be a real pistol Trace...hopefully one day a whole slew of us can get together for mucho margarita pitchers!  

    We really should hold some kind of convention.

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    A real pistol, and tall, too. (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 10:30:20 AM EST
    did you see the post where she wears 34 inseam jeans?

    She could bludgeon a short guy like me, and outrun me when I tried to get away!

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    We would have a blast! (none / 0) (#70)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 10:28:30 AM EST
    Sounds like fun! (none / 0) (#77)
    by jbindc on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 12:17:40 PM EST
    Let's look for a denver meetup (none / 0) (#81)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 12:56:57 PM EST
    since Jeralyn doesn't fly any more.

    Or Boulder, like "The Stand..."

    Any dog-friendly motels in the Mile High? I don't like to travel without my mutt.

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    In the spring (none / 0) (#82)
    by jbindc on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 01:01:05 PM EST
    I've never been to Denver (except for changing planes one time)!

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    They have baseball... (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 01:13:46 PM EST
    I'd even be willing to watch Rockies-Padres. Just not Rockies-Giants... bitterness for beating my Braves!

    I spent a few days in Boulder, but that was 30 or so years ago. I even got to see the Mork and Mindy house from the outside. Yeah, I'm dating myself.

    Last time I flew in, Stapleton was the airport-- isn't there a new one now?

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    Heh. The TL flash mob. (none / 0) (#85)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 01:16:32 PM EST
    Last minute planning at its best.

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    Um (none / 0) (#86)
    by jbindc on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 01:18:00 PM EST
    I LOVED "Mork & Mindy".  

    I even remember when Mork made his initial appearance on "Happy Days"

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    You'd be hard pressed... (none / 0) (#101)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 06:37:47 PM EST
    ...to find a more dog friendly city/state.  Plenty of hotels that accept pets--including the high end ones like the Brown Palace and a couple other boutique hotels in downtown Denver.  

    Let me know the date and I'll set up something with one of the local watering holes...

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    I'm in! I'm overdue for a visit there (none / 0) (#103)
    by ruffian on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:48:48 PM EST
    Just looking for an excuse for the timing

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    We need a name... (none / 0) (#111)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Dec 19, 2010 at 02:20:24 PM EST
    the first-ever-scare-let's-fly-to-someplace-for-no-obvious-reason-gathering-of-liberals?

    Too long?

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    jeffinalabama: (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 10:53:37 AM EST
    Check out your health insurer's website. Mine has a Lask the pharmacologist feature. You fill out a questionnaire re all prescription and non-pres.drugs plus strenghth and frequency. You receive a personalized e-mail reply answering your question and more. Very good input.

    kdog, I've been ruminating over (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 01:43:05 PM EST
     some of your posts from spring/summer concerning pirates.

    Tell you what: give me three years as "The Dread Pirate Roberts" and then you can take over the franchise. These won't be the prime income-producing years, since we'll have to learn, oh, navigation, where to sell swag, and so forth, but I think three would set me up fine, and after three you'd be primed.

    It may be the only way to get ahead. Pot-limit Omaha is another, but the fresh air, the sun, the waves...

    (the above is meant as a joke, for any NSA employees monitoring this site)

    We're making notes (none / 0) (#88)
    by jbindc on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 01:50:33 PM EST
    Got any helpful (none / 0) (#89)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 01:51:44 PM EST
    advice?

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    I'll trade you (none / 0) (#90)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 02:37:29 PM EST
    the swag for Princess Buttercup

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    Talk a little more in code (none / 0) (#94)
    by jbindc on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 04:21:01 PM EST
    Or get NSA agents who've been drinking  :)

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    I choose option 2, lol. (none / 0) (#95)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 05:07:51 PM EST
    When the code comes from a movie, it ought to be recognizable. h/t to the Princess Buttercup reference.

    "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."


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    Ha (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by jbindc on Sat Dec 18, 2010 at 09:49:33 AM EST
    Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia," but only slightly less well known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!"


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    Know just how to get started... (none / 0) (#97)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 05:18:02 PM EST
    repo a vessel that doesn't belong to us, say a Lloyd Blankfein type's yacht...we can use one of the rocket dockets, we don't need the title, or even cutlasses...piece of cake.

    Went looking for a pirate's song and just found this guy Pirate Ed.  We're not the only ones inspired by past and current events.

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    THAT is a great song. (none / 0) (#100)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 05:42:25 PM EST
    Talk to Oc... she's a lawyer. We can repo, and get started. Between us we can either run aground or maybe something else. I've already got the swimming boat dog.

    All I need is a puffy shirt and a cutlass. I have a cavalry sabre, if that helps.

    I'm betting MT and her better half might land a little bird for 'observation' on some part of the boat. I can tutor...

    Heh. Sounds like a retirement plan and warm weather.

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    Can you use a deckhand who (none / 0) (#102)
    by caseyOR on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 06:47:23 PM EST
    spent her high school and college summers teaching sailing and canoeing? It's pretty clear I'm too old to ever again find work in the U.S. economy.

    And, thanks to my very young discovery of the writings of Emma Goldman, I carry no allegiance to a government that carries no allegiance to me.

    I am made for the high seas. Where do I sign up.

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    Looks like you might be the first (none / 0) (#108)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Dec 19, 2010 at 12:33:43 PM EST
    Dread Pirate Roberts, Casey... you have the KSA's for the position!

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    When and where do I report, cap'n jeff? (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by caseyOR on Sun Dec 19, 2010 at 02:05:39 PM EST
    Just let me know,and I'll be there.

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    Heh, you're the dread pirate, (none / 0) (#110)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Dec 19, 2010 at 02:16:54 PM EST
    Roberts, you know how to sail! You let me and kdog know! I'm good at pillaging, but not sailing...

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    Well then, would you and kdog please (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by caseyOR on Sun Dec 19, 2010 at 02:49:28 PM EST
    pillage us a boat? Nothing too fancy, but make sure it is seaworthy. Oh, and we'll probably need a boat that is big enough for TL guests who want to drop in for some high seas downtime.

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    This one might work. (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sun Dec 19, 2010 at 03:03:19 PM EST
    Cakewalk, Gallagher's fifth yacht bearing that name, features a formal dining salon, an elevator, six staterooms for guests, separate captain and crew quarters, a spiral staircase, a master stateroom with a separate sitting room, his-and-hers walk-in closets and bathrooms, a grand piano, a walk-in cooler for fresh flowers and original art.

    Link

    If you're going to be a pirate, might as well do it in high style.

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    Children are the most wonderful (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 03:25:35 PM EST
    grateful forgiving souls on the planet.  I made hot cocoa for Joshua's class Christmas party.  I didn't want to use one of those mixes though.  I tried to make it the old fashioned way with cocoa powder and milk and sugar and vanilla.  Then I decided I wanted it more chocolatey so I used extra cocoa and I added a quart of heavy cream to thicken it up.  What a mess :)  Some of the cocoa settled on the bottom of the big coffee urn and made the spigot stop functioning very well.  And the cream separated and a buttery film floated on the top.  I had to ladel it out of the top.  Joshua renamed it hot chokoa and those kids drank all 40 cups of it and said it was the best hot chokoa ever.

    Thanks for posting this. (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 05:11:14 PM EST
    My mood has done a 180. Kiss Josh for me also!

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    What is your opinion of Obama at this point? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Saul on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 07:09:15 PM EST
    Seems I lost track of keeping up with his strategy, what he promised during his election campaign, what he has not live up to etc, etc.  I just don't know if he is still a hope to believe in or did he just become like just a regular politician.

    To me if the economy does not improve by 2012 I say he will not be reelected or will come very close of not being reelected.

    Maybe I don't see the whole picture.  

    Enlighten me

    He's empty (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by smott on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 07:25:28 PM EST
    No there there.
    Of course that was my opinion of him all along.
    (Though I never thought he'd be this bad.)

    Naomi Klein had an excellent essay on this.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jan/16/naomi-klein-branding-obama-america


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    Actually maybe "hollow" (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by smott on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 07:25:54 PM EST
    Is  a better word.

    A hollow man.

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    On another forum... (none / 0) (#35)
    by Romberry on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 06:24:59 AM EST
    ...I have been referring to Obama as The Hollow President. Who better to make a hollow president than a hollow man? Perhaps that hollowness accounts for his sonorous voice on the campaign trail. His words certainly ring hollow now.

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    that Klein article was a GREAT read (none / 0) (#98)
    by DFLer on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 05:19:48 PM EST
    on all levels. thanks for the link smott

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    Politically,he's Joe Lieberman, (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by observed on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 07:44:38 PM EST
    but  he  has  a  more  unpleasant  personality  than  HoJo.  More  seriously,he's  extremely  weak,  intellectually.  He  is  NEVER  incisive,when  speaking  for  himself.  He  seems  to  understand  policy  entirely  verbally---not  in  terms    of  numbers.

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    too right (5.00 / 0) (#74)
    by sj on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 10:58:27 AM EST
    He also doesn't understand policy in human terms.  As if it isn't real people with real lives that are affected by these policies.

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    My opinion of Obama could not (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Anne on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 09:33:16 PM EST
    get much lower, I don't think, but it was never all that high to begin with.

    Call it a gut feeling, a sixth sense, whatever, when I looked at it pre-2008 election - I didn't see anything there of real substance, nothing solid at the core.  I saw an invention, a creation; I felt, at times, like he was writing a story as opposed to living a genuine life.

    I've said on more than one occasion that Obama's beginnings scarred him in ways he has never dealt with; abandoned by his father, more or less abandoned by his mother, raised by grandparents who loved him but didn't look like him.  He's spent his whole life trying to prove that he was worthy of being loved - and we're now players in that psychodrama.

    I have no sense that he really believes in anything for longer than it takes him to realize that someone whose approval he thinks he needs believes in something different.

    He's doing a lot of damage on multiple fronts, and the Dems in Congress are enabling it.

    And no one is paying the least bit of attention to us - we're the personification of Edvard Munch's "The Scream."

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    He's a vapid, glad-handing (none / 0) (#13)
    by observed on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 09:37:17 PM EST
    moron--the type  of  hack  who  usually  would  max  out  at  alderman,or  part-time  legislator/lecturer.

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    GREAT POST (none / 0) (#30)
    by BrassTacks on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 12:56:55 AM EST
    Well said.  Good explanation.  

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    I think he is a facilitator (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by ruffian on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:48:58 AM EST
    I've never been through a divorce, but I think he is rather like a neutral lawyer you would go see if you did not want to pay your own lawyer to advocate for you. The word for that escapes me.

    I don't think he is a bad person, but he does not seem to see pushing a particular point of view as his role. That would be fine if we did not hat an inherently partisan system. If the guy who is nominally the leader of the party is not going to press the party's position, the party is going to lose out in the overall settlement of every issue.


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    Mediator? (none / 0) (#78)
    by jbindc on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 12:17:58 PM EST
    I hope I'm not coming down with (none / 0) (#2)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 07:18:46 PM EST
    something...insomnia Tuesday night, terrible headaches Wednesday, and feeling un-perky right now. In case it's related to medicines, had all these problems since last med visit, I'll go to the pharmacy tomorrow and ask if some interactions are going on. Bleh.

    I feel ya'. (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 08:17:47 PM EST
    I'm hoping the doc cuts back on one of mine tomorrow so maybe I can sleep for a change.  Fun stuff...

    Almost as fun as getting the idiots at the mail order pharmacy to send me what I need.

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    You two take good care (none / 0) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:34:28 AM EST
    It must be challenging at times with certain meds and sleep.

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    thanks, MT... (none / 0) (#50)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:40:08 AM EST
    I'm on some stuff that's making me seriously a bubble or two off center. Physically, great. Mentally and emotionally?

    Ugh. Can't get started on things I want to, obsessing about things of no consequense. And emotions-- from manic to crying manic to manic again. then to raging manic, to 'fork it depressed,' to a blissful normality for a few days.

    But when these don't play well together, I am, quite simply, miserable...

    I'm beginning to wonder if physical health is all it's made out to be considering the mental end emotional roller coaster that's going along with it.

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    The side effects of many of these (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:44:13 AM EST
    marketed healing devices aren't often enough addressed.  There must be another solution that would grant you the health benefits along with leaving your emotional well being alone.  Hang in there friend, I'm sorry for the ups and downs you are experiencing.

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    Strange as it sounds, is it possible (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Anne on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 09:18:38 PM EST
    it could be a major weather change?  I often get wicked headaches/migraines when the barometric pressure changes in a significant way,

    There's also the usual ick going around that seems to hit right around the holidays - everyone's going full-out, immune system goes on the fritz and - wham! - we're knocked out.

    Try some Zicam tablets, tea and honey - whatever works!

    Hope it's just a blip and not something worse...hang in there.

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    We've had some seriously (none / 0) (#14)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 09:58:32 PM EST
    changing weather... from below freezing for a high to 55 today. Sun, rain, snow, sleet, and that's since Sunday.

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    Terrible headaches (none / 0) (#25)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 11:47:42 PM EST
    Jeff, when they're not already a part of your normal profile, are something you should have checked out with your doc, not the pharmacist.  Insomnia is more likely the meds, but the headaches not so much.

    I'll say it again.  Consult your doc, not the pharmacist, for stuff like this.

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    ^^^^^^^^ This (none / 0) (#26)
    by andgarden on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 11:56:52 PM EST
    You know what gives me headaches? Too much sleep. It's like a natural antidote for sloth.

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    I wish I had this problem :) (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:34:52 AM EST
    Ironically (none / 0) (#75)
    by sj on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 11:00:51 AM EST
    Too little sleep does the same thing :)

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    Yes, but (none / 0) (#107)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Dec 18, 2010 at 08:17:43 PM EST
    that's normal for you.  Splitting firewood in really cold weather for more than a half hour gives me a headache sometimes.  "Terrible headaches" for no reason are not normal for anybody, and definitely new for Jeff.

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    Weather change and migraines for me too (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:33:40 AM EST
    A thunder storm rolling in makes thunder in my head.

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    Zombie Star Wars (none / 0) (#10)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 09:15:18 PM EST
    I see that the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI or "Star Wars") failed again, just the latest failure of the most expensive non-working device ever conceived.

    What will it take to kill this atrocity?  In addition to the fact that it doesn't work, it's the most expensive and complicated defense system for the least likely threat.

    Why would anyone use an ICBM when you could put your nuke on a boat and land it anywhere?

    The mathematics involved in (none / 0) (#20)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 10:15:53 PM EST
    "hitting a bullet with a bullet" is daunting, at best. I honestly though that there was never the intention of necessarily having a working system. It was developed to bankrupt the Soviet research.

    Ends up it might help bankrupt our system. Another example I was examining today-- the C-17. Apparently the US, read taxpayers, will be buying another 50... or are in the process of buying 50 aircraft that the USAF doesn't want.

    Call it jobs, but at what cost? congress is making deals that the pentagon isn't backing...

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    Congress is backing. I'm sure there is some Congressman or Senator that will be more than happy to take credit in his district for sending all that money there. Jeff was there ever a final outcome for Mobile on the tanker contract? I thought it was awarded, rebid, then awarded again. But I thought I read somewhere that it is out there again.

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    Still out there. Airbus at first (none / 0) (#67)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 10:25:30 AM EST
    was not going to rebid, because the new regs favored Boeing, but Airbus decided to retry.

    I am of two diametrically opposed minds about this. the KC-135s are old... but according to studies a lot of the airframes could fly until 2040. Yes, there would be increased maintenance costs, but that might be cheaper than a new system given the current budget mess. the older aircraft need more repairs... a lot more.

    So... old and pricey versus new and pricey. the influence issues, sweetheart deals...The USAF was originally going to LEASE the 767s from Boeing, instead of purchas, for example...

    Long story short, the RFP was re-issued.

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    It's a little different perspective when it's in your backyard and would benefit so many people. But that's the whole kicker, fight for a contract for billions of dollars for your state or watch someone in another state fight harder and pull some strings and get the contract. No one thinks about whether you actually have to spend that money, just who is going to cash the checks that we are all paying for. Last time I drove through Mobile they still had billboards up for the tanker contract.

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    The bill looks set to get (none / 0) (#22)
    by andgarden on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 10:56:57 PM EST
    more Republican votes than Democratic votes. It's 134D to 135R as I watch now. That's even though the Democrats now have a substantial majority in the House.

    This tells you a lot of what you need to know about the "deal."


    Obama's Pa(R)ty comes thru (none / 0) (#23)
    by observed on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 10:58:01 PM EST
    Wait till (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Makarov on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 12:53:27 AM EST
    he uses the State of the Union next month to call for 'austerity' and cuts in social security.

    He's continuing on the path to destroy the New Deal where Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush left off.

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    Except without the Clinton tax policy. (none / 0) (#29)
    by masslib on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 12:55:28 AM EST
    Hillary looked and sounded like hell (none / 0) (#33)
    by andgarden on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 01:07:27 AM EST
    at the Afghanistan presser today. Maybe she's getting over a cold?

    She did look and sound exhausted (none / 0) (#34)
    by shoephone on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 01:58:52 AM EST
    Maybe a combination of Inevitable Looming Failure in Afghanistan + More North Korean Nuttiness + Wikileaks + Holbrooke's Death? (He initially fell ill in a meeting with her.) Not a great month for State.

    Weirdest part of the presser: Gibbs standing right behind Clinton, acting very much like her government minder.

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    I bet Holbrooke's death (none / 0) (#49)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:38:36 AM EST
    has been very draining.  He was a friend as well as a much needed cog.  As much as I did not like his role in Afghanistan and the things that he said behind the scenes and then would say to the press....he was a major player and he was swinging a big bat for Obama trying to contain the COIN strategy because they all fear it like mad.  I wonder who they will replace him with?

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    I noticed that too (none / 0) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:35:51 AM EST
    She looked very tired.

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    My favorite celebrity couple is breaking up (none / 0) (#56)
    by ruffian on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 08:56:48 AM EST
    Michael C Hall and Jennifer Carpenter are getting a divorce, according to the gossip column in my local paper. I hope it is amicable. I fear for my favorite show, "Dexter". Capt Howdy, what do you think? I kind of thought the season finale could have made a decent series finale. I sure hope not!

    Creepy Julian Assange (none / 0) (#79)
    by jbindc on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 12:19:00 PM EST
    Weird emails he sent to a 19 year old girl (he was 33).

    Makes him sound very creepy and stalker-ish.

    Tourist is aiming his camera (none / 0) (#80)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 12:37:43 PM EST
    @ NewsCorp.bldg and Fox News logo. News banner says 68% approve of tax deal.

    somewhat or strongly approve? :) (none / 0) (#83)
    by nycstray on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 01:07:45 PM EST
    ICP @ 43rd and Ave. of (none / 0) (#93)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 03:58:32 PM EST
    the Americas.  Very interesting exhibits of photojounalism during Spanish Civil War and "Cuba in Revolution.". See reviews of the latter if you happen to be descended from Cuban ex pats. Hemingway is in photos in both exhibits.