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Some interesting news articles today:

  • Fl. Gov-Elect Terminates Jobs in Drug Policy Control office. His spokesman says,
    ``I don't think we're going to have cocaine bales stacking up on the docks of Miami if we close this office.''
    Critics ask, who's going to go after the pill mills? What about the planned prescription drug monitoring database? Salaries for the four full time employees in the office, which was created by Jeb Bush in 1999, are $500k.
  • Lack of retroactivity in revised crack penalties results in unequal justice which may last for years, until the five year statute of limitations has run on crack offenses committed prior to Augst 3, 2010.

It's the last work day before everything shuts down for Christmas Eve and I've still got so much to do. For those of you procrastinating, or just with leisure time (what a luxury), here's an open thread.

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    Only in England would they ... (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 09:35:37 AM EST
    advertise a job this way:

    The London Review of Books is looking for an editor, preferably one with an interest in politics and history. Would suit a young, disaffected academic.

    Emphasis mine.

    Must have been a Brit that (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 09:58:18 AM EST
    write this request for network testing to some of my team yesterday:

    If you have access to the network, please test vigorously and complain to James Doe, George Doe or myself

    Names changed to protect the innocent.

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    Heh! (none / 0) (#22)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 10:02:52 AM EST
    I was selling books (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Harry Saxon on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 05:01:34 PM EST
    at a bookstore in San Francisco one fine day, and the elderly English gentleman there gave me my receipt, telling me to "Sign your name legibly, even if you think you can't.".

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    I know (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by CST on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 12:58:38 PM EST
    the perfect person for that job.  A few actually.

    Is there any other kind of young academic?

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    Can someone explain to me (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by kenosharick on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 09:52:28 AM EST
    why Dems do not use republican obstructionism and votes against 9/11 first responders in elections? Hammer those who pulled this crap into the ground over and over on this one issue.  The rethugs have used 9/11 politically from day one.

    That would not be bipartisan (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by MO Blue on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 10:10:09 AM EST
    and would require Obama to apologize to the Republicans for the tone and lack of effort of the Dems to compromise. Evidently you missed Obama's message that efforts of the Tea Party are as American as apple pie unlike the stupid antics of those loony people on the left.  

    It could result {shudder} in preventing Obama from passing great bipartisan legislation like the Obama tax cuts or cuts to domestic programs. Just think of how bad it would be if the Republicans refused to sign on to gutting SS or Medicare.

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    That's just a longer .... (none / 0) (#34)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 11:13:31 AM EST
    version of my answer.

    ;)

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    Hmmm ... (none / 0) (#23)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 10:04:07 AM EST
    tradition?

    ;)

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    hey (none / 0) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 10:08:26 AM EST
    happy holidays.  I missed responding the other day.  the project I am on now is called Saints Row.  a shamelessly unPC and very fun game.

    I think the film version could be amazing particularly with Snyder involved.

    Sucker Punch looks absolutely amazing.

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    Hope you're having ... (none / 0) (#35)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 11:15:21 AM EST
    a good Holiday Season!  I've been meaning to email you with a business related question.  I'll try to do that some time in the next few days.

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    well (none / 0) (#42)
    by CST on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 12:55:22 PM EST
    there hasn't been an election yet.

    So there's that...

    Honestly, if you're gonna pick a time to be an absolute d*ck about something, this is the time to do it.  2 years from now, people might not care/remember as much.

    If the Dems have half a brain they WILL use this in the next election.  But that hasn't started yet.  And I for one, am a.o.k. with waiting at least 6 more months before the campaigning starts again.

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    the repubs (none / 0) (#86)
    by kenosharick on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 05:29:22 PM EST
    were holding this up before the recent election

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    Alaska Senate (5.00 / 0) (#28)
    by CoralGables on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 10:14:56 AM EST

    The Alaska Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled unanimously on all counts against Joe Miller's challenge of last month's U.S. Senate election, saying Miller's interpretation of the law would erode the integrity of Alaska's election system.

    "There are no remaining issues raised by Miller that prevent this election from being certified," the Supreme Court justices declared in their 24-page ruling.

    This should be the conclusion of one of the most interesting Senatorial elections in history. It would have been a good time to live in Alaska because politics would have been the talk around every water cooler, coffee shop and fishing boat.

    For Murkowski, I believe it solidifies her as a life long Senator, should she so choose, and one that is free of party constraints because it's probable that no amount of campaign money could take her down now. The Tea Party took a back hand to the chops in Palin's home state.


    Holiday message... (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 10:51:36 AM EST
    from the TSA....

    "We just want the passengers to understand: Look, we're not perverts or anything like that; we just have to search everything," said Rick McCoy, the senior TSA officer at O'Hare International Airport in Chicago. "We're not here to be abused. We're just here to help you get on your flight and go about your business."

    I'll agree it is not cool to bite the low paid messenger's head off for doing as ordered by the sh*theads at corporate...but not for nothing, it's the passengers getting abused here, any abuse of TSA agents is retaliatory in nature, and should be expected by the TSA agents tasked with grabbing junk. iow, take it up with your boss, not the flying public.

    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by vml68 on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 11:06:30 AM EST
    to everyone here at TL.
    This one is for you.

    Can we do this at the Federal government level (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by MO Blue on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 11:19:55 AM EST
    WH and Congress.

    New police chief in Mexico (a former General) fires almost his entire police force of 600 cops due to corruption. Then he lets 300 reapply. Only one passed the honesty tests.

    Be great if we could see how many would pass "the honesty tests."

    You forgot this part . . . (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by nycstray on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 11:32:12 AM EST
    A psychologist was hired to evaluate recruits. "Most applicants were completely unfit. They had all kinds of psychological issues, including narcissism and delusions of grandeur," says Bismark Soriano, a 26-year-old psychologist.

    :)

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    Aaaand (5.00 / 3) (#72)
    by CST on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 03:01:18 PM EST
    It's officially the "holiday" - I'm out!

    Merry Christmas/Happy Hannukah/Festivus/Whatever

    Enjoy the holidaze everyone.

    link

    I guess (none / 0) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 08:06:21 AM EST
    any thing that undoes something Jeb Bush did has to be somewhat good.

    On the other hand (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 08:19:55 AM EST
    He pledged to create 700k jobs, and now he is at -4.

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    Those jobs you don't want... (none / 0) (#6)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 08:34:36 AM EST
    500k for 4 employees to tilt at windmills at "Drug Policy Control"?  But drug policy is out of control??? I'm confused...

    Now rolling that 500k over to pay 10 people 50k a year to pick up litter on the beaches...thats positive job creation for FL.  Cutting "Drug Policy Control" is exactly the kind of positive spending cuts the feds should be doing, and the rest of the states...it's called having your priorities straight.

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    What an amazing idea (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by republicratitarian on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 08:44:50 AM EST
    To take that $500K and pay 10 people $50K.
    Even those of us that live in Flori-duh can do that math.

    Brilliant!

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    Surely (none / 0) (#11)
    by CoralGables on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 09:21:36 AM EST
    you don't expect someone that wants to defund all public hospitals in the state to be helpful to the masses.

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    Oh, I am absolutely all for that (none / 0) (#9)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 09:12:28 AM EST
    But I don't think the FL tea party will allow the creation of those types of jobs. Government does not create jobs, haven't you heard?

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    Yeah... (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 09:35:13 AM EST
    there is always tea party pikerdom to overcome...I assume they are up in arms about the big government painkiller monitoring program, right?  

    Never mind, I forgot if there is "war" in the title they love that kinda government waste & tyranny-lite.  

    A war must be declared on unemployment!  Fuel the fighter jets!

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    There was a funny comment in the remarks (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by republicratitarian on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 09:45:16 AM EST
    section of that story.

    One person said "Good news for Lush Rimbaugh..."

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    I like the signal that things don't have (none / 0) (#4)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 08:16:20 AM EST
    to be run out of the governor's office. To me that is just showboating more than actually getting anything done. I'm sure whatever grants they really need can be obtained by the appropriate agencies.

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    Showboating.. (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 09:41:15 AM EST
    and a patronage mill.

    Great gig if ya can find it...100k a year to act important, circle jerk with other people acting important...accomplishing next to nothing with invites to the best parties with the best spreads.

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    Exactly (none / 0) (#18)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 09:47:52 AM EST
    I take it as a sign that Scott is not planning to run for president, as Jeb bush was.

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    Expect (none / 0) (#10)
    by CoralGables on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 09:18:52 AM EST
    most moves by Florida's next Governor to go entirely to big business. That 1/2 million won't create 10 jobs, it will go to one.


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    Yup (none / 0) (#12)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 09:24:00 AM EST
    I know (none / 0) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 12:54:56 PM EST
    I wasn't really making a statement on jobs so much as it was something Jeb Bush instated and it's probably a good thing so far as that.

    I feel sorry for you guys with your criminal governor but as misery loves company and if it makes you feel any better, we have a criminal as Governor here in GA too.

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    We just elected (none / 0) (#94)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 11:27:05 PM EST
    a genuinely nice guy here in VT.  He not only appointed all but one of his primary opponents to his cabinet or his inner circle of advisers, but also appointed his GOP opponent, who lives way up near the Canadian border, to be a special sort of official governor's representative to Canada on border and energy issues.  (We get our electricity from Canada, so not a trivial issue.)

    How cool is that?

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    Lucky you (none / 0) (#99)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 24, 2010 at 07:56:16 AM EST
    I keep trying to figure out what is wrong with the voters in GA but I think it's "above my pay grade".

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    Lucky me indeed (none / 0) (#101)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Dec 24, 2010 at 05:08:31 PM EST
    I lived most of my life in Mass., so I'm used to a generally liberal political climate, but VT's whole political culture is really sui generis in its broad good nature and earnestness.

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    Leisure time I got... (none / 0) (#8)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 08:51:13 AM EST
    wasted day, all issues tied up in corporate bureaucracy, and all the corporate offices are closed...I'll be buring up the internet today!

    First stop, the Bureaucracy wiki page...we're seeing the dangers come home to roost, both public and private....and I've been spelling it wrong for years:)

    Competences can be unclear and used contrary to the spirit of the law; sometimes a decision itself may be considered more important than its effect;

    Nepotism, corruption, political infighting and other degenerations can counter the rule of impersonality and can create a recruitment and promotion system not based on meritocracy but rather on oligarchy;

    Einstein put it most succintly...

    "Bureaucracy is the death of all sound work"

    And the big bummer, Kafka thinks we're screwed no matter what we do...

    "Every revolution evaporates and leaves
    behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy."


    The creator of "Yes, Minister" (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Harry Saxon on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 09:37:21 AM EST
    a British sitcom about the English bureaucracy said something that with Wikileaks in the news seems eerily prescient.

    From the Wikipedia, not recommended for academic research, small children, or the faint of heart.:

    As the series revolves around the inner workings of central government, most of the scenes take place in private locations, such as offices and exclusive members' club lounges. Lynn says "there was not a single scene set in the House of Commons because government does not take place in the House of Commons. Some politics and much theatre takes place there. Government happens in private. As in all public performances, the real work is done in rehearsal, behind closed doors. Then the public and the House are shown what the government wishes them to see."[4]

    Click Me

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    Sounds like a cool show... (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 09:58:44 AM EST
    The brits are a little further along in their bureaucratic nightmare...but we're catching up fast!  And say what I will about the limey bastards, their people have more to show for putting up with it than ours do.

    Stumbled across the poem "The Unknown Citizen" by W.H. Auden...so many tried to warn us, yet here we are.

    Was he free? Was he happy? The question is absurd:
    Had anything been wrong, we should certainly have heard


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    Cyril Connolly (none / 0) (#37)
    by Harry Saxon on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 11:22:46 AM EST
    wrote:

    "We are all serving a life sentence in the dungeon of the self."



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    George Harrison sang... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 12:53:01 PM EST
    "No ones frightened of playing it, everyones saying it, flowing more freely than wine.  All through the day, I me mine I me mine I me mine."

    Where did we put that damn happy medium? :)

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    the most pathetic comment (none / 0) (#24)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 10:06:29 AM EST
    to crawl out of a politicians mouth this year, and that is saying a lot, came from John Kyl 4 minutes and 8 seconds into this 4 and a half minute video.

    the people effected were "primarily people who helped clean up the site", you know, as opposed to "first responders". in other words these people are janitors not heros.
    god bless the janitors.

    More honest work is hard to find... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 10:10:23 AM EST
    but whaddya expect a grifter to say?  Honest work is beneath them.

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    Hey kdog, (none / 0) (#33)
    by KeysDan on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 11:10:02 AM EST
    A Christmas gift from the Rev. Pat Robertson: He is for the decriminalization of marihuana use.  Says it is ruining our youth.  This guy is the proverbial harlot with a heart of gold.  See you at the"700 Club".

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    With the repeal of DADT (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 03:00:20 PM EST
    and the obvious relief that all will feel because of a specific degree functionality being experienced within our society, he's probably pretrified now that everyone is going to notice what a dysfunctional hate mongering POS he is. Time to distract everyone.

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    Don't get me started on Pat... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 12:01:07 PM EST
    my dear departed grandma was one of 700 Clubs many victims...conned her out of more than she had to give...still get mad thinking about.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 12:56:48 PM EST
    He conned my mother in law out of a ton of money too but she lived long enough to see him be an apologist for Bush and Iraq so at least her money dried up to ole Pat.

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    What (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 12:55:57 PM EST
    on earth caused him to change his mind on that? Do you know?


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    the feds (none / 0) (#45)
    by CST on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 12:57:05 PM EST
    are getting close to his stash?

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    LOL (none / 0) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 01:00:00 PM EST
    Beats me... (none / 0) (#49)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 01:00:52 PM EST
    but knowing Pat, there is money in it for him somewhere...maybe he sold his stock in CCA and invested in Bambu.

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    My guess is the Reverend (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by KeysDan on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 01:30:16 PM EST
    wants to get in on some of that federal money for "faith-based" drug rehab camps.   He is ready to save the lives of the young at a nominal fee--he is really a gem.  Who knew?

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    Shiver... (none / 0) (#61)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 01:55:53 PM EST
    god save and protect any youth who gets within 50 yards of that man or his minions.

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    Not a guess (none / 0) (#64)
    by waldenpond on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 02:34:20 PM EST
    That's what Roberts comments were about.... Christian outreach and treatment.

    I know someone who went through 'treatment'.... he was in for 8 months.  He's not using but he's not healthy.

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    Easy (none / 0) (#95)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 11:29:51 PM EST
    He's a certifiable nutjob with diarrhea of the mouth. I very much doubt he thinks this stuff through in any recognizable way.

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    In this economy (none / 0) (#29)
    by CST on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 10:18:39 AM EST
    It's no longer just adult children who are moving back in with mom and dad... it's also mom and dad who are moving back in with adult children.

    The multi-generational household is back.

    I guess it all depends on how close one is with their family and how easy people are to live with.  I think living together gets a bad rep.  It's the financially smart thing to do.

    My husband (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 12:59:31 PM EST
    was reading articles by sociologists on this. What the sociologists don't know is if it's going to continue once the economy picks up.

    I see also in my work a lot of people leaving and moving back to where there parents were because the parents passed away and left them a paid for house. If you've got to work for crappy wages in Fl and pay rent or a mortgage, you can easily work for crappy wages in NY with no mortgage.

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    I think it depends (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by CST on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 01:17:59 PM EST
    on how you define "pick up" and whether that will actually ever happen for everyone.

    I think for a lot of older people, it will never really "pick up" again.  Those jobs are gone - or they will be replaced with younger workers.

    By the time the economy picks up, they will be left behind.

    I worry a lot about my dad.  Who is in his 60s, was unemployed (although he recently found part-time work so now is only seriously under-employed), and works with computers...  That field is not coming back for people like him.  
    So now he's back at grad school (luckily for him it's free).  Hopefully that's enough.

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    Economics aside... (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 01:32:52 PM EST
    I think it's a great thing culturally and sociologically...the youngsters spend more time with the elders, giving the youngsters wisdom and the elders purpose.

    Provided, as you said, everybody can stand each other:)

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 01:26:26 PM EST
    I see in my friend who turned 60. She doesn't think she'll ever find another job. It's certainly a worry and a lot of them don't have houses that are paid for or any type of savings to supplement their income.

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    Yeah but.... (none / 0) (#50)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 01:07:14 PM EST
    the NYS taxes and heating bills will kill ya...thats a rent payment every month right there in the winter.  And forget it if you enjoy a cigarette unless that house is near a reservation:)

    Still might be better to pay rent in FLA, even with a free house...a "free house" in NY is like the free car you win in the sweepstakes, then have to immediately sell to afford the taxes.

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    Move to CA! (none / 0) (#51)
    by nycstray on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 01:13:05 PM EST
    Much lower prices on liquor, cigs and heating bills. And if you live in the right spot, no AC bills in the summer :)

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    I never use AC... (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 01:18:58 PM EST
    even when I lived in FLA...and you forgot the biggest bestest selling point, the "weed license":)

    Hmmm...and it is closer to Guadalajara.  But the same NY kdog magnets remain...moms, siblings, nieces & nephews, friends, the culture...missed 'em all terribly my few years down south.  It's hard.

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    Totally understand. (none / 0) (#60)
    by nycstray on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 01:51:21 PM EST
    I missed a lot of things the first few yrs in NY. It's nice to be back 'home'.

    Forgot about that there lil' license, lol!~ I was impressed with the price of cigs and wine here. And I'm digging my right down the road from Napa location ;)

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    You don't (none / 0) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 01:24:39 PM EST
    think the AC bills in FL eat you alive?

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    Not when you don't use it.... (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 01:30:16 PM EST
    I like it hot...except when hot is expensive, like my house right now...the t'stat set at 64 and nobody better monkey with it! Put on a sweater! lol

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    Well (none / 0) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 01:32:24 PM EST
    then you are the exception to that. Whenever I've stayed in FL, the air ran 24/7.

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    Even during the gorgeous... (none / 0) (#62)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 02:04:53 PM EST
    winter months?  

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    No (none / 0) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 02:29:06 PM EST
    I've only been one time in the winter and it was in Jan to Miami but you needed heat then believe it or not!

    All the other times I've been is during the summer or fall and it was stinking hot and we ran the AC 23/7.

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    That article on General/Police Chief Villa (none / 0) (#31)
    by sj on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 11:01:44 AM EST
    It's fascinating.  But man.  Did they really have to mention his dog?  I feel like they just put a big old target on the side of canine friend.

    Isn't it inevitable (or more likely than not) (none / 0) (#65)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 02:40:48 PM EST
    that the economy is going to come back at some point within the next 4-5 years regardless of what the current policies are.  At the least, we'll be in the midst of improvement at that point.

    Given that, it seems kind of short sighted to dismiss all of the current policies as republican ideas.

    Eliminating the ability to take credit for the inevitable seems like a poor choice.  Better to promote how your preferred policies helped the inevitable to happen.

    The good thing about th inevitable is that you know it's coming.  We've got to be smarter.

    You sound like one (5.00 / 0) (#66)
    by observed on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 02:47:00 PM EST
    of the "in the long run we're dead" economis ts who JMK famously derided. Why do anything at all,if in the long run "there's always tomorrow"?

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    Why am I (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Zorba on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 03:02:16 PM EST
    suddenly thinking of the musical "Annie" and the song "The Sun'll Come Out Tomorrow"?  I'm glad that ABG is so optimistic, but I'm certainly not.  I have the feeling that "recovery" may wind up being fine for the wealthy and the powers-that-be, but not so much for the poor, the blue-collar workers, and the elderly, all of whom will have to get used to a much lower standard of living.

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    Let's "reform" the (5.00 / 0) (#80)
    by KeysDan on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 03:45:02 PM EST
    Democratic Party's unofficial theme song: "Happy Days Are Likely To  Be Here Again--just you wait"

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    Maybe (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 04:03:50 PM EST
    they should just go ahead full Hoover with "prosperity is just around the corner".

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    Not to mention (none / 0) (#82)
    by Zorba on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 04:35:06 PM EST
    "A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage."

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    Not for nothing though... (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 04:46:48 PM EST
    Z, and I'm sure you will agree...the poor, the old, the blue-collar working class...they've had hard times long before the rest of us noticed hard times, their recession started 30-40 years ago...their economy always sucks, even when they say it is supposedly booming. The only perk they see during the boom times is it's easier to find one of those stagnant wage/sh*t benefit jobs, and for the really poor and old, there is a quieter call to slash the safety net...otherwise it's been 30-40 years of groundhog day, no matter whether they're dancing or crying over at the casino on Wall.

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    Times were tight (none / 0) (#85)
    by Zorba on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 05:05:48 PM EST
    for my folks when I was little.  Sure, Dad had a decent blue-collar job, and they owned a home (or, the bank did, and it was a small home for five kids).  But money was tight and I remember times when the electricity was shut off, or the gas.  I don't think my brothers remember, because they're so much younger than me.  But I do.  I recall answering calls from bill collectors, and "playing dumb"- telling them my folks weren't home.  Mr. Zorba and I will be fine, but I wonder about a lot of folks.  I know how to stretch one chicken into three meals, and how to be creative with beans and grains, but how many people nowadays can do that?

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    A lot of folks (none / 0) (#98)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 11:39:54 PM EST
    are already doing that, is the problem, and still getting the gas or the electricity or the phone shut off from time to time.  One medium-sized medical problem or tax increase or cut in pay or hours, and they're cooked.

    And just think of the number of people who are going to be trying to survive on SS alone when they can't work/can't find any work anymore.

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    Just think of (none / 0) (#100)
    by Zorba on Fri Dec 24, 2010 at 08:34:35 AM EST
    those living on SS alone, whose SS is cut, whether outright or because they're not getting any adjustments for inflation, since inflation is flat. (Except for many of the things old people tend to buy.  Heating oil is up.  So is food.  But I guess they don't count.)

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    The economy is broken (none / 0) (#97)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 11:35:37 PM EST
    and isn't coming back without major, major changes, particularly in tax policy and finreg, and I don't expect it to happen in my lifetime.

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    Which preferred policy? (5.00 / 4) (#67)
    by nycstray on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 02:51:50 PM EST
    Tax cuts for the wealthiest? Lower Estate Taxes? Putting SS on the table? Only taking care of some of the UE (and only for a yr) when in a couple months another 4 mill may be dropped off?

    Let me get my trumpet out . . .

     

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    I don't think the economy is just going (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by Raskolnikov on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 03:00:55 PM EST
    to come back magically in five years because of the "business cycle".  A lot of jobs have been hemorrhaging for twenty years and aren't going to come back soon.  I see this as more of a violent correction resulting from decades of bad policy decisions that will result in a permanently increased unemployment rate and significantly greater wealth disparity.  

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    Maybe you could just have, (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Anne on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 03:02:08 PM EST
    you know, better policies to begin with, or would that be too hard?

    Something about your comment screams: "just lie back and think of England."

    Thanks, but, the last thing I intend to do while getting screwed is accept the inevitability of it or give credit to the screw-er for how much better I feel when it stops.

    Sheesh.

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    Anne,you're learning (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by observed on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 03:06:37 PM EST
    you keep rising to the bait,but your nibble was less ferocious..heh

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    Heh - it's been a long day (5.00 / 0) (#77)
    by Anne on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 03:18:47 PM EST
    and at some point, the comments I'm responding to have passed into the realm of the ridiculous.

    Am expecting some version of, "Don't Worry - Be Happy" any moment now...I'm going to go look up the lyrics so I can be ready to sing!

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    Eventually,you're going (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by observed on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 03:22:35 PM EST
    to write a cogent comment in support of O'Reagan. Maybe the economy will be better then, too.

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    But will there be (none / 0) (#79)
    by Zorba on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 03:44:16 PM EST
    ponies and rainbows, too?   ;-)

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    Oh, my (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 11:34:19 PM EST
    You know, I really hope I'm not around when you crash.

    I've long thought that Hope was the very worst thing that came out of Pandora's Box.

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    What is your definition of "come back"? (none / 0) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 02:56:53 PM EST
    Out with a sprained MCL? (none / 0) (#68)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 02:53:30 PM EST
    Not if your moms has anything to say about it Tollefson.

    Will a fine be following from the Commish?  

    lol!~ (none / 0) (#76)
    by nycstray on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 03:11:47 PM EST
    that's funny. wonder what his mates had to say about it  ;)

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    Looking for a bit of advice (none / 0) (#87)
    by Raskolnikov on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 07:04:42 PM EST
    Anyone here gone back to school in their mid-late 20s?  I currently have a salaried job that would make it difficult to do both at the same time (scheduling conflicts) so I'd have to get a part-time job instead to make it possible time-wise, which would be a significant cut in pay.  Do private student loans require full time school?

    I'm totally ignorant of how all this works and haven't done too much research yet as its not an immediate concern, but rather something I'll be looking at over the next year.  I'm thinking of going back for chemical engineering so any credits I already have (I have 3 years of an English degree, but not worth finishing imo as I don't plan on going to graduate school) are basically useless, it would be a full degree.  Just looking to see if anyone here has done it, I'm mostly interested in the availability of student loans if you've been out of school for a few years.

    For some background, I currently manage a quickfood restaurant but I'm already getting chronic hand pain from using my hands 50 hours a week and I'm only 25!  I started going to UCL in London for Chemistry but couldn't get loans because I wasn't a resident so came back to Iowa to get a few years of an English degree only to get sucked into thinking a full time job was a better use of my time.  My figuring is a recession is probably the best time to go back to school too, get educated in the hope that there's something in the way of a job when you get done 4-6 years down the line.

    It's been quite awhile since I was at Iowa... (none / 0) (#90)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 07:22:02 PM EST
    ...but I know that you don't have to be full-time to get a work/study job.  I worked in the A/V department for years and my last year I carried one class.  Have you looked into that?  

    The chronic hand pain may qualify you for Vocational Rehab money.  They paid for my books and tuition and I was never officially certified as "disabled".  Check with the State.

    I also know if you're interested in being a writer, getting into the Writer's Workshop is a wonderful, wonderful thing.  

    Good luck to you!  

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    pt financial aid (none / 0) (#93)
    by sumac on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 11:08:53 PM EST
    you can get financial aid for part time college studies. the best thing you could do, though would be to bring this up when you start applying to schools and speak with a financial aid adviser at the institution(s) you are looking to attend.

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    That first (none / 0) (#92)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 08:11:32 PM EST
    paragraph is what I hear at places like Kos about working class white voters. Apparently it's not only the GOP that has those problems unfortunately.

    The LAT has a more realistic (none / 0) (#102)
    by Harry Saxon on Fri Dec 24, 2010 at 09:19:19 PM EST
    take on Latinos and the GOP:

    From Sacramento

    Meg Whitman's former lead spokesman is starting to speak up about the candidate's losing race for governor. And he's shouting about the need for Republicans to stop the demagoguery over illegal immigration.

    Senior advisor Rob Stutzman isn't exactly spilling his guts about the former EBay chief's spectacular thumping. The billionaire lost to low-budget Jerry Brown by 54% to 41%, despite spending a record $160 million-plus, roughly $142 million of it her own money.

    But the veteran Republican strategist is blaming the mini-landslide size of Whitman's loss on some ugly dust-ups over illegal immigration that alienated Latinos from the GOP.

    On Nov. 2, a record 22% of the California electorate was Latino. They voted heavily for Democrat Brown -- somewhere between 64% and 80%, depending on which poll you believe.

    Whatever the real figure, it should scare the GOP because Latinos are by far California's fastest-growing voter group.

    "Republicans need to understand that they live in suburbs with second-generation Mexican American neighbors whose parents came here and worked in agriculture and the service industries and are very proud" of their families' success, Stutzman says.

    "They sit around at cocktail parties and they listen on talk shows and hear their parents referred to as 'illegals.' And we wonder why these people don't want to register as Republicans."

    Stutzman, 42, is no RINO -- what right-wing ideologues deride as a Republican in Name Only -- even if he did serve as Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's first communications director. His party credentials include communications jobs with former Atty. Gen. Dan Lundgren and state Senate Republicans. He also ran a successful 2000 initiative campaign to ban same-sex marriage.

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