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Last night I flew from Florida to a winter wonderland in New York. Ugh.

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    Ugh is right... (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 08:54:42 AM EST
    felt like Lewis and Clark on the Southern State Pkwy this morning...forging my own trail, not a path or a lane to be found.  Brightside is schools and wiser businesses closed and traffic was light.

    Commute home should be a real adventure if we get what the weatherman says we're gonna get.

    What... (none / 0) (#6)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:06:42 AM EST
    ...is it snowing there or something?  

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    For sure... (none / 0) (#9)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:15:16 AM EST
    probably considered a dusting by your mile high standards:)...I'd say 3-4 fresh inches coming into work this morning, might get another 1-2 per hour till tonight...who knows.  All I know is bossman lost money today turning on the lights...dead as a doornail in this here cube.

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    Maybe... (none / 0) (#13)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:26:13 AM EST
    ...the bossman will shut you down early today?  I'm jealous of all the snow days people are getting back East!  

    Of course, our snowiest months are yet to come.

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    You obviously... (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:32:25 AM EST
    don't know the bossman...he'd gladly sacrifice our lives on the off chance the phone actually rings:)

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    Is the bossman... (none / 0) (#26)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:54:23 AM EST
    ...related to Mr. Krabs?

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    LOL.... (none / 0) (#29)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:57:57 AM EST
    think a cross between Krabs, Mr. Spacely, and Thurston Howell III.

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    Mr Spacely... (none / 0) (#37)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:11:17 AM EST
    ...now there's a blast from the past!  Maybe a little of Mr. Slate or Larry Tate thrown in for good measure?  

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    Don't forget a pinch... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:16:20 AM EST
    of Lumberg!

    "Hmmm...Yeah...I'm gonna need ya to work a full day during this blizzard...numbers are down and...ummm yeah....we need to try and play catch up. Great...Thanks."

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    Yeeeeeeah. (none / 0) (#48)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:22:15 AM EST
    Oh, oh, and I almost forgot. Ahh, I'm also gonna need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday, too...  

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    Hopefully you will get to go home (none / 0) (#58)
    by vml68 on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:37:46 AM EST
    before it gets really ugly.
    The BF's company told them yesterday that they had to come in today or take a vacation day. Half an hour ago they were told to go home.... :-)!

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    Check this out... (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:55:06 AM EST
    bossman is letting the women go home at 12 (shocker!)...those with the y chromo gotta stay.  

    I wonder...Do we have a sex discrimination suit?..:)

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    I think you might, kdog (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 02:02:06 PM EST
    That's really outrageous, IMHO, and insulting, frankly.

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    That ain't right. (none / 0) (#68)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 12:19:35 PM EST
    If the State did something like that, there would be heck to pay.

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    Rather sexist too.. (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 12:57:41 PM EST
    is he saying women can't drive as well as men?

    Not that the insult stopped the ladies from running out the door or anything:)

    Good news though...I grew a pair and told my boss I'm "working" through lunch and leaving at 2...if there was work to do that would be one thing but this is just stupid.

    Catch ya later...hopefully the plows have made their first go-round.  

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    drive careful (none / 0) (#101)
    by Jen M on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 03:33:31 PM EST
    Is he assuming women have kids at daycare (none / 0) (#107)
    by ruffian on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 03:56:17 PM EST
    to go pick up?

    Even so...should be everyone at the same time.

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    Were schools in session today? Or did they (none / 0) (#117)
    by DFLer on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 04:25:54 PM EST
    dismiss early? Somebody's got to be home for that, maybe.

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    Interesting Jane Mayer (5.00 / 0) (#3)
    by bob h on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 08:58:01 AM EST
    article "The Trial" in Feb. 15-22 New Yorker on Holder and his tensions with Rahm and Obama, trial of KSM, hypocricy of Republicans.  I'm not a lawyer, but appreciate that if you one half-assed, failed attack derail your criminal justice system, you have indeed lost.

    I dont understand (none / 0) (#7)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:07:47 AM EST
    why reasonable people are not pointing out that what they are really saying is that our system is to weak and unreliable to do this.

    how long do you think it would have taken republicans to make that argument?


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    Finally! (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:05:29 AM EST
    The British government is getting behind a plan to replace drafty open-backed hospital gowns with versions that preserve patients' modesty.

    The country's Design Council has asked designers and manufacturers to come up with replacements for the gowns, which it said often leave patients feeling exposed.

    Link

    Hope they make here soon!  Nobody needs to see my bum.

    amen (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:15:35 AM EST
    this always seemed intentional to me.
    like a CIA tactic to make you feel vulnerable or something.

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    I ws thinking something similiar... (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:38:35 AM EST
    maybe the docs like it when you're too worried if your arse and/or junk is showing to properly pay attention and question the course of treatment.

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    Nothing like... (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:45:09 AM EST
    ...taking a walk up and down the hall pulling the IV tower with one hand and the other trying to keep your gown where it needs to be.  

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    Last time, they gave me two gowns. (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by steviez314 on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:18:51 AM EST
    First, I put it on regular way, with backside showing.  Then the second one goes on the opposite way, just like a robe.

    It covered me up, and also provided easy access.

    Of course, that's probably why health care costs are skyrocketting--double gowning.

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    Mile (none / 0) (#70)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 12:45:49 PM EST
    Are you in Denver?

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    I am indeed. (none / 0) (#71)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 12:47:05 PM EST
    The Queen City of the Plains, my friend.

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    Is the Ogden theatre (none / 0) (#74)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 12:55:45 PM EST
    still there on Colfax, or did they turn it into a porno palace or something?

    That place used to be my home away from home. They used to have Stanley Kubrick week, Robert Altman week, underground cult film week etc

    I lived right around the corner from there,back in my footloose and fancy free bohemian days.

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    It's still there... (none / 0) (#76)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 01:04:33 PM EST
    ...but it's a concert venue now.  I live 7 blocks pretty much due South of there on 8th and Corona.  A nice easy walk and no parking worries.  

    Back in the day, I used to live even closer--a block away.

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    I always liked that area (none / 0) (#79)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 01:38:25 PM EST
    back then. A real potpourri of everything and everybody.

    We used to go to the Ogden and then go sit in the White Spot down the street and imbibe from the bottomless coffee pot, chain smoke and discuss shoes and ships and ceiling wax till two or three in the morning  while the motley, late-night Colfax crowd drifted in and out of the place.

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    Sadly... (none / 0) (#80)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 01:52:06 PM EST
    ...the White Spot is no more.  Colfax remains as gritty and real as ever though.  Dylan, Kerouac and Cassidy would still feel right at home.

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    Jack and Neal (none / 0) (#85)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 02:08:51 PM EST
    seemed to love the place, that's for sure.

    It's one of those 'crossroads' places -- both geographically and spiritually. It least it was for me. Sometimes, though Im not sure why, it seems like all roads lead to Denver. Maybe it would take a Chinese geomancer to figure it out.

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    Interestingly, or not (none / 0) (#90)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 02:43:41 PM EST
    Kerouac used to come into my grandfather's corner store in Northport L.I quite a bit, during his late, alcoholic, living with his mother period.

    Stocking cap pulled way down and being 'tailed' at a distance by a bunch of High School kids in a convertible. Or, so I hear.

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    there is more than one dangerous (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:09:44 AM EST
    halfwit out there.

    Poll of Alabama Republicans: Huckabee 33, Palin 23, Romney 12

    I have been warning people for a long time to take Huckabee seriously.  IMO he is far more dangerous than Palin.

    Yep. (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:20:22 AM EST
    For all the carrying on about Palin around here of late and the inane declarations from some that Iowans would somehow fall in love with Romney this time around, it needs to be remembered that the Huck was the winner of the last Iowa GOP caucus in a pretty convincing manner.  

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    and (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:23:26 AM EST
    he actually has core principals.
    and not in a good way.


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    Out of those 3... (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:27:32 AM EST
    I'd much prefer the Huckster...he plays bass, there must be good in him somewheres:)

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    Maybe if he went on tour (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 12:48:20 PM EST
    with George Clinton for a year..

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    I'd like to do that,,, (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 02:14:12 PM EST
    even if Huckabee is there. Time for a mothership connection...

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    lol (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 02:29:03 PM EST
    Me too. Huckabee might even make it more fun, in a twisted kinda way :)

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    Huck replace Bootsy? NO WAY! (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by DFLer on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 04:32:06 PM EST
    well (none / 0) (#15)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:29:49 AM EST
    you should talk to some of the survivors of his reign in arkansas.  pretty sure they could change your mind.
    in a choice between Huck and Romney I would take Ronmey in a nanosecond.

    Huckabee is pure and truly evil.


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    They're politicians... (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:41:52 AM EST
    they're all evil...thats why they got into politics.  I'll take Holy Roller Huck and his bass over Romney and his nauseating slickness.

    And I kinda like how Huck handles the flack over letting that dude outta jail who went on to commit a heinous crime...basically saying he'd do it again...gotta give him some props for that.

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    not me (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by ruffian on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 12:10:17 PM EST
    Huckabee is Bush, except the holy roller stuff is sincere. I bet he'd even get Cheney back as VP.

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    your logic (none / 0) (#24)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:45:27 AM EST
    escapes me

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    i.e. (none / 0) (#22)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:44:46 AM EST
    Huckabee on drugs:

    1999: doubled methamphetamine sentences

    Drug education fails; drug punishment works

    Stricter penalties for drug-related crimes

    Curb supply by eradication; change attitudes to curb demand

    More federal funding for all aspects of Drug War.

    any questions?


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    We'd get the same... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:52:26 AM EST
    from the other two bozos.  

    I'm talking just superficial preferences...not a licks worth of difference between 'em on sh*t that matters...barely a licks worth between them and Dems for that matter.

    It's not like we can win bro...since we're born to lose anyway, might as well get a bass player.

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    you are wrong (none / 0) (#28)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:57:23 AM EST
    the difference is Huckabee believes what he is saying.


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    Huck is scary (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by nycstray on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:14:20 AM EST
    creepy wrapped in "Aw shucks".

    I'll take Romney any day over him.

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    and he is catnip (none / 0) (#51)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:26:58 AM EST
    to the base every bit as much as Palin.  he IS Palin with a 5 oclock shadow and core convictions.


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    Yup. (none / 0) (#54)
    by nycstray on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:31:04 AM EST
    If the 2 of them team up . . .

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    and (none / 0) (#31)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:00:43 AM EST
    he could win.  Palin could not.
    he is very very shrewd.
     

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    Born to lose... (none / 0) (#30)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:00:35 AM EST
    ...eh?  Mike Ness is with you there.

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    Agree about that Howdy (none / 0) (#62)
    by athyrio on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:57:56 AM EST
    he wants to change the constitution to make it more "christian"..that is scary as hell to me..

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    Obamat old us early on (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by nycstray on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:17:25 AM EST
    due to his lack of experience he was going to surround himself with people "smarter" than him. That gives them power right there.

    If Axe is smarter than Obama, we're (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by observed on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:21:39 AM EST
    in trouble. If he listens to people of Stephen Chu's caliber, that's a different story.

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    The art of managing/leading (1.00 / 0) (#82)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 01:58:15 PM EST
    is to surround yourself with people who can do thinks you can't...aka smarter... and then turn the parts into delicious soup.

    And after Obama's Corpse Man" and "57 states" don't tell me how smart he is.... or how smart his admin is... and remember the screw ups on how to greet other leaders, etc...

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    "Obamat" (none / 0) (#93)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 02:57:06 PM EST
    no comment

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    I think (none / 0) (#96)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 03:07:03 PM EST
    It's a typo

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    I thought it was a fairly obvious typo (none / 0) (#119)
    by nycstray on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 04:27:10 PM EST
    so I didn't bother to post a correction comment . . .

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    If Dems can't take advantange of this, (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by MO Blue on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:18:11 AM EST
    they need to dissolve the party.

    Since its inception in 1965, Medicare has provided the same basic package of benefits to everyone, regardless of income. On Friday, Mr. Bond called for giving Medicare enrollees a voucher to buy health insurance on their own. "You're going to have to means-test the benefits," he said, adding that upper income retirees wouldn't "get much of a voucher." link

    Turning Medicare into a welfare program. The people who paid the most into Medicare would get the least benefit. Somehow I don't see even well healed Republicans being trilled with this idea. Then too they would be faced with preexisting condition clauses and much high premiums due to age since Republicans have so far blocked any insurance reform.

    Well (none / 0) (#50)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:23:34 AM EST
    I oppose the vouchers, but support the means testing.

    I would means test Social Security too.

    One way of means testing them is to make them taxable.

    Understand, this of course would be political suicide so I do not REALLY recommend it be adopted by any pol who wants to win an election, but on a policy basis, I would.

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    I always thought (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:27:48 AM EST
    means testing made sense but would give the republicans a very good argument for allowing people to "opt out"

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    As KeysDan mentions below Medicare (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by MO Blue on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 11:13:17 AM EST
    Medicare premiums are already means tested as they
    are based on income. IMO moving Medicare and Social Security from benefit programs for all Americans regardless of income to a welfare program which benefit a few would be the death of the programs.

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    Social Security is taxable.... (none / 0) (#84)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 02:04:17 PM EST
    See 1040 for schedule/formula.

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    Means test the benefits-- Medicare premiums (none / 0) (#57)
    by KeysDan on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:36:36 AM EST
    are already based on income. Maybe this will be one of those good ideas the president is waiting on so as to move this baby along.

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    oh my (5.00 / 0) (#106)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 03:54:16 PM EST
    Palin's bigger blunder

    It is not the reminder to "lift American spirits," however, which has me most troubled or even the Tea Partiers who invited her to speak at their conference. Nor does it have anything to do with her left hand, upon which the notes were scribbled. What has me troubled is a black bracelet firmly clasped around her left wrist.

    The name on her black memorial bracelet -- one, like the gold star, a demonstration of a friend or associate who was killed in action -- is that of her oldest son, Track. Track served honorably in Iraq, and both he and his parents should be thanked for his selfless service to his country. He is also alive.

    Commemorating Track's service by wearing a black memorial bracelet which is reserved for those dead or even a red bracelet for those missing in action, demonstrates a horrifying contempt for those who gave their last full measure of devotion or an almost unbelievable ignorance of the importance of symbols in American history.



    via (none / 0) (#108)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 03:56:17 PM EST
    stinque.com

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    I was wondering about that (none / 0) (#121)
    by nycstray on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 04:30:49 PM EST
    I remember those bracelets from the Vietnam war. POW or MIA, so I thought it was odd Track's name was on it unless they had a new meaning I wasn't aware of.

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    perhaps (none / 0) (#123)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 04:33:25 PM EST
    its, you know, "satirical"

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    It appears you are essentially correct. (none / 0) (#128)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 05:22:53 PM EST
    About Ms. Palin's HeroBracelet.

    We sent her those bracelets during the last election. When we learned that her son, Track and Senator Biden's son were both being deployed overseas, we sent them both Deployed HeroBracelets with their son's names.

    We've been providing Deployed HeroBracelets since 2004 for families to wear while their loved ones were serving. They can be made from sterling, copper, leather or bronze colored anodized aluminum (black is reserved for KIA).

    About half the bracelet we make are Deployed. Typically they will have the soldier or Marines rank, name, country of deployment and timeframe of deployment (2004/2005).

    So she isn't out of line for wearing the Deployed HeroBracelet. There are ten's of thousands of families around the country wearing them right now. On the HeroBracelets web site, we've got hundreds of letters from families, many vowing to not take the bracelet off till their loved one comes home.

    Chris Greta
    Director HeroBracelets.org
    www.herobracelets.org



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    Sarah Palin wearing her Deployed HeroBracelet at a recent event.
    In some recent photo's of Sarah Palin, we noticed she's wearing her Deployed HeroBracelet bearing her son's name, Track Paliin. Track is serving in the Middle East right now.

    Back in 2004, we had heard that both Sarah Palin's son and now Vice President Joseph Biden's son were heading off on deployements, so we made them both a set of Deployed HeroBracelets with their son's names on the bracelets. Our way for thanking them both for having son's in the military. We actually got a very nice call from Senator Biden's office, thanking us for the HeroBracelets. And now we're quite proud to see Sarah Palin wearing her HeroBracelet.



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    it will be interesting (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 05:32:41 PM EST
    to see who knows what they are talking about.  you or this guy:

    Eric Robinson is a first-year graduate student in international relations. He is a veteran of both the Iraq War and the war in Afghanistan.


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    Words fail me. (none / 0) (#131)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 05:47:05 PM EST
    a first (none / 0) (#135)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 11, 2010 at 08:26:52 AM EST
    Author's Note: In my column in the News Wednesday, I criticized former Alaska governor Sarah Palin for wearing a black memorial bracelet with her son's name on it, as Track returned unharmed from Iraq last fall. However, Sarah Palin's bracelet was not black; instead, it was a dark brown "DeployedHero" bracelet worn by those who have loved ones currently serving in the military. The bracelet is different from the black one associated with men and women who are killed in action overseas. Recognizing this, I apologize to the governor and to any reader who might have been misled by my piece. I hope that this serves as an important lesson for anyone interested in the importance of these symbols.


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    Kudos to Mr. Robinson. (none / 0) (#138)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Feb 11, 2010 at 11:02:07 AM EST
    Is the system broken? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Natal on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 08:51:59 AM EST
    See WSJ here

    Sure is... (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:00:43 AM EST
    but broken in a much larger ways than congress-critters holding up appointments for favors.  If that was the only "breakdown", we'd be golden.

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    if there is a silver lining (none / 0) (#34)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:03:18 AM EST
    it may be that it could force the gutless democrat to grow a pair and do something about the 60 vote threshold.


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    And hate what you had done when (none / 0) (#81)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 01:52:06 PM EST
    the Repubs come back in power.

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    Well, Jim, I'm agreeing with you again. (none / 0) (#87)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 02:17:50 PM EST
    It's a double-edged sword. I'd rather see better deomocrats than the end of the filibuster. That just doesn't help in the moment, though.

    I'd also like to see some of the current privileges senators have on holds be weakened... Shelby from my state is holding up some nominees, pretty much because he can.

    But a change in the rules would cut the other way when the majority shifts. No such thing as a 'permanent majority' by party. Just a permanent corporatist agenda, it seems.

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    still (none / 0) (#91)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 02:44:32 PM EST
    what is happening now is unprecedented and is making governing impossible.  whoever is in power.
    maybe if the rules are changed and the wingnuts take power again people will start feeling the pain of their policies and power will shift back.

    whatever.  what we have now is not working.

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    but is that malgovernance through (none / 0) (#95)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 03:05:42 PM EST
    incompentence or process? I have a suspicion it's the former, and changing the process wil just facilitate the incompetence and make future governance procedurally untenable, or even disastrous. I'm speaking only of the filibuster right now, not areas such as holds, and so forth.

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    if I am not mistaken (none / 0) (#98)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 03:16:29 PM EST
    the founding guys only mention things like changing the constitution, impeachment and a few other things that should be subject to the filibuster.
    all this other stuff is new.

    amiwrong?


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    hmmm... i think that (none / 0) (#102)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 03:36:30 PM EST
    the article reads that the senate and house get to make their own rules, so that means they get to change them as well.

    This poses an interesting question. Senatorss are no longer appointed by legislators. the supermajority has been lowered from 2/3 to 60 votes.

    Federalist 62:

    First. It is a misfortune incident to republican government, though in a less degree than to other governments, that those who administer it may forget their obligations to their constituents, and prove unfaithful to their important trust. In this point of view, a senate, as a second branch of the legislative assembly, distinct from, and dividing the power with, a first, must be in all cases a salutary check on the government. It doubles the security to the people, by requiring the concurrence of two distinct bodies in schemes of usurpation or perfidy, where the ambition or corruption of one would otherwise be sufficient. This is a precaution founded on such clear principles, and now so well understood in the United States, that it would be more than superfluous to enlarge on it. I will barely remark, that as the improbability of sinister combinations will be in proportion to the dissimilarity in the genius of the two bodies, it must be politic to distinguish them from each other by every circumstance which will consist with a due harmony in all proper measures, and with the genuine principles of republican government.

    i wonder if the senate isn't acting in a way in concert with the Federalist Papers. It is slowing down, taking hte heat out of the process... but also inhibiting the process, as well.

    A good government implies two things: first, fidelity to the object of government, which is the happiness of the people; secondly, a knowledge of the means by which that object can be best attained. Some governments are deficient in both these qualities; most governments are deficient in the first. I scruple not to assert, that in American governments too little attention has been paid to the last.

    the second quote is a few paragraphs later in Federalist 62-- it seem we are hitting an issue that perhaps was unforseen-- actors acting against good government in a co-equal body.

    It's a difficult issue.

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    Without stirring up (none / 0) (#127)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 05:05:52 PM EST
    a hornet's nest I must point out that when the Repubs were threatening the "nuclear option" the vast majority here on this blog were decidedly against it.

    I have heard the "can organize themselves" argument before and have no problems with it, although it is almost impossible for either minority party to get a bill introduced. That is probably a good thing.

    The deal on health care is simple.

    It's a rotten bill. It doesn't fix problems, will increase costs and reduce service. Private companies change business plans or go out of business if they have the same.

    What we need is a simple single payer bill based on Medicare. The admin and delivery system is already in place. All we need to do is agree on what it will cost and how it will be paid for.

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    Snow day? (none / 0) (#17)
    by CST on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:34:28 AM EST
    My sister/roommate the teacher had school cancelled last night before she went to bed.  Unfortunately I did not have work cancelled.

    Last time I checked, it hadn't started snowing yet.  We haven't had much snow this year, most of it has been south of us (weird).  I don't even think we're supposed to get that much today, but there is a sense that since it's the first storm in a while people are gonna milk it.

    That cracks me up... (none / 0) (#43)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:18:25 AM EST
    ...shutting stuff down without a snowflake even flying.  I can't imagine the outrage if we were to do that.  The test for us is if the buses can run, you can get to work.  

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    The buses can run right now (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by nycstray on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:22:35 AM EST
    as can the trains, not so sure they can later. That's why everything shut down. They didn't want the schools full of kids (etc) when this thing really hits later today. They will be adjusting the already adjusted train scheds it looks like, based on the snow in some areas so far.

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    the schools (none / 0) (#46)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:20:44 AM EST
    have been shut down here for several days and we have not yet had a snow day.
    we had one last year.

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    Iowa's had so many... (none / 0) (#56)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:34:24 AM EST
    ...school snow days this year, all my teacher friends are already lamenting the loss of Summer vacation it is going to cause.  

    They've already set a record for most snowfall, I do believe.  

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    Paterson (none / 0) (#18)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:36:46 AM EST
    Reportedly under federal investigation

    NEW YORK (WPIX) - PIX News has learned that federal prosecutors are investigating Governor David Paterson's awarding of a lucrative contract to a politically connected group to run a gaming center at Aqueduct Raceway.

    The embattled Governor who appears to have dodged the bullet of rumors and innuendo that had been circulating over a purported "bombshell" story being prepared by the New York Times, is now part of a probe by the Eastern District U.S. Attorney's office in Brooklyn.

    Two reliable sources confirm the investigation is "very fresh," but could not say precisely what it is prosecutors are looking at other than questions about public integrity.




    Feds investigating... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:02:05 AM EST
    business as usual in NY...are they bored?...:)

    I mean we're talking about the state that runs the only racebook in the history of racebooks to lose money because of all the cronyism and skimming.

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    Uh oh (none / 0) (#20)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:41:07 AM EST
    More bad numbers for Dems...

    The Republican Party has grown dramatically more competitive in public trust to handle the country's most pressing issues, capitalizing on seething economic discontent and doubt about President Obama's performance to challenge the Democrats in midterm election preferences.

    Among registered voters in this ABC News/Washington Post poll, 48 percent say they'd support the Republican candidate in their congressional district if the midterm elections were today, 45 percent the Democrat. That's a rare level of GOP support in nearly three decades of polls.

    Click here for a PDF with charts and questionnaire.

    Other measures also have tightened sharply since fall. Among all Americans, the Democrats' lead in trust to handle the country's main problems has dwindled to a slim 6 points, 43-37 percent, down from 33 points a record in a generation of polls after Barack Obama's election.

    Disapproval of Congress, at 71 percent, matches its highest since 1994, when the GOP swept to control in a midterm rout of the Democrats. Americans by a 20-point margin say they're inclined to look around for someone new to support for Congress. And by a 13-point margin, 48 to 35 percent, Americans call themselves anti-incumbent rather than pro-incumbent not quite the levels in 1994 or 2006 (when the Democrats regained control) but broad nonetheless.




    More erosion of the base (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by MO Blue on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:07:57 AM EST
       The largest gay-rights advocacy group in New Jersey has announced it will no longer give money to the Democratic Party.

        The move follows the state legislature's failure last month to legalize gay marriage and amid growing signs that the effort to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is already faltering.

        "No political party has a record good enough on LGBT civil rights that it can rightfully claim to be entitled to our money on a party-wide basis," said the chairman of Garden State Equality, Steven Goldstein, as quoted at PolitickerNJ.com.

        "No longer will we let any political party take our money and volunteers with one hand, and slap us in the face with the other when we seek full equality," Goldstein added. link



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    Except (none / 0) (#36)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:08:03 AM EST
    Since Dems are in the majority, and the mood of the country is anti-incumbent, Dems lose much bigger than Repubs.

    Throw all the bums out I say.

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    "miss me yet" (none / 0) (#27)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:56:08 AM EST
    Mary Teske, the general manager of Schubert & Hoey Outdoor Advertising reports, "The Bush Miss Me Yet? billboard was paid for by a group of small business owners who feel like Washington is against them. They wish to remain anonymous.

    um, yeah
    small bussiness.  Im sure.
    wonder who paid for this one
    we have had the birthers and the deathers now we have the boarders.


    the boarders (none / 0) (#59)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:40:54 AM EST
    if he took more of (none / 0) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:19:32 AM EST
    Rahms advise he would have fewer problem and more accomplishments.

    Rahms stab them in their sleep mentality is exactly what is needed.


    But Rahm seems most interested in stabbing (none / 0) (#139)
    by esmense on Fri Feb 12, 2010 at 01:35:58 PM EST
    progressives

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    How can anyone even consider (none / 0) (#55)
    by vml68 on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:33:28 AM EST
    its easy for (none / 0) (#103)
    by Jen M on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 03:36:51 PM EST
    who abuse children to consider it. Or who don't see anything wrong with child abuse.

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    we had an earthquake this morning (none / 0) (#63)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:58:36 AM EST
    thanks - not far from where my Dad lives (none / 0) (#66)
    by ruffian on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 12:13:05 PM EST
    in Rockford. I'll have to see if he felt it!

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    Dad says (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by ruffian on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 04:00:55 PM EST
    he is unshakeable ;-)

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    good (none / 0) (#115)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 04:22:47 PM EST
    to hear

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    Look out... (none / 0) (#67)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 12:18:19 PM EST
    ...when the New Madrid fault line gives way, it is going to be ugly.

    In a report filed in November 2008, The U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency warned that a serious earthquake in the New Madrid Seismic Zone could result in "the highest economic losses due to a natural disaster in the United States," further predicting "widespread and catastrophic" damage across Alabama, Arkansas, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri and particularly Tennessee, where a 7.7 magnitude quake or greater would cause damage to tens of thousands of structures affecting water distribution, transportation systems, and other vital infrastructure.[22]

    The potential for the recurrence of large earthquakes and their impact today on densely populated cities in and around the seismic zone has generated much research devoted to understanding in the New Madrid Seismic Zone. By studying evidence of past quakes and closely monitoring ground motion and current earthquake activity, scientists attempt to understand their causes and recurrence intervals.

     

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    If this is the New Madrid fault (none / 0) (#69)
    by Cream City on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 12:32:55 PM EST
    -- which has not yet been determined, reports tell us today, as that is in southern Illinois, site of a massive earthquake in the early 1800s -- it actually is good news that we (yes, it woke me up) get smaller quakes.  They relieve some pressure.  The worry actually is when there are not small quakes, and the pressure builds and builds to a big one.

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    the thing is (none / 0) (#77)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 01:06:32 PM EST
    I just put up a 120 gallon aquarium in my living room and the base is not, shall we say, what I would like it to be.
    as I was doing it I commented to a friend that well, at least I dont have to worry about earthquakes here (like LA).
    this weekend I am looking into ways to "substantiate" that base.


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    Yep, the New Madrid (none / 0) (#97)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 03:15:37 PM EST
    has a history of about 125 year intervals. And when they come, they are BIG. Lots of sandy soil deep. Might be the wabash valley seismic area r zone if you're in illinois or indiana.

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    Oh, then we're way overdue here (none / 0) (#114)
    by Cream City on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 04:13:17 PM EST
    as it has been almost 200 years since the Great New Madrid Quake of 1811-12 -- the worst quake ever in the continental U.S. (no matter what Californians say).

    The latest guess is that today's was on a fairly unknown subfault that may be an extension, yes, of the Wabash Fault, itself an extension of the New Madrid Fault . . . at which point the scientists reveling in this report make my eyes glaze over.  But the maps of the faults are very cool. . . .

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    Is that the quake that changed the course of the (none / 0) (#124)
    by DFLer on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 04:42:12 PM EST
    Mississippi River?

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    Yes, that is the quake. (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by caseyOR on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 05:04:11 PM EST
    When the 1989 quake hit the Bay Area, those of us on the west coast were buried in news stories about the great quakes in history and all kinds of info that, while interesting, was unnerving.

    For instance, we learned all about liquifaction, which is why the Marina District in San Francisco was so devastated. Sandy soil, landfill, lots of areas that are built on something other than bedrock, get all shaken up and become like quicksand.

    What does that mean for the midwest? Well, if the New Madrid fault  has a big quake the Memphis airport, we read, could sink from sight due to liquifaction.

    Just a fun fact.

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    Maybe, but there have been many (none / 0) (#132)
    by Cream City on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:08:22 PM EST
    and it doesn't take quakes. It's not really known if that one changed the Mississippi's course, as it had not been fully mapped yet, with comparatively few settlers there then (so it is considered the worst quake in terms of geological measurements; also unknown is how many lives were lost).

    The famous rechanneling of the Mississippi came later, in 1881 -- the rechanneling that caused a major flood through the thriving former capital of Illinois with a population of thousands then and for centuries before under French colonial rule: Kaskaskia.  Multistory buildings and more are still underwater there, and Kaskaskia now called the "lost capital of Illinois," with a population of nine.  Yes, nine -- in part because it is the part of Illinois that now is only accessible from Missouri.

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    The Great Quake... (none / 0) (#134)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:27:15 PM EST
    ...reversed the course mighty Mississippi so that it ran North for a time.  I can't even imagine.

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    Is seismic activity (none / 0) (#125)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 04:52:53 PM EST
    the reason for the fairly major shifts in the Mississippi's course over the years? I remember them digging up that civil war era steamboat The Bertrand  , buried forty feet underground in a farmer's field some time in the sixties.

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    See comment above -- floods do so (none / 0) (#133)
    by Cream City on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 09:09:24 PM EST
    more often than quakes do.  I've read that the Mississippi's course has been all over the map, literally.

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    Ads targeting my sweet Claire (none / 0) (#73)
    by MO Blue on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 12:55:00 PM EST
    A new ad campaign launched by former Vice President Al Gore's environmental advocacy group is targeting conservative Democratic senators in the hope of holding on to their support for comprehensive climate change legislation.

    The Climate Protection Action Fund's Repower America unveiled new television spots on Wednesday that will run in Indiana and Maine -- to be followed by Arkansas and Missouri -- in which those state's senators are urged to support "clean energy jobs."

    Called out by name are Democratic Senators Evan Bayh (D-Ind.), Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.) and Claire McCaskill (D-MO). link



    It's official (none / 0) (#78)
    by CST on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 01:30:04 PM EST
    Schools jumped the gun.  Still no heavy snow, only flurries, and by now classes would be done.  We are expecting 2-3 inches by 7pm.  I'm shaking in my boots :P

    Blizzard is supposed to come late tonight, which means no school again tommorow.

    If only that were our situation here in (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Anne on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 02:57:59 PM EST
    northern Maryland...it's been snowing since about 4:00 pm Tuesday, with first wave bringing us about 10 inches, then second wave still underway.  Blizzard conditions with blowing and drifting snow; total so far is near two feet, on top of the over 2 feet we had over the weekend.

    Office closed today, and I expect tomorrow - much of the state is in Phase 3 of its snow emergency plan, where no vehicles are to be out other than police, fire, snow removal and authorized volunteers, such as those ferrying hospital and other personnel to their jobs in 4-wheel drive vehicles.

    It is an unholy mess here.

    Power was off for about 5 hours this morning, but, thankfully, came back on - we're keeping our fingers crossed that all this wind doesn't take the power out again.

    Schools, which had been closed Monday, Tuesday and today, have announced they will be closed through the week - there just is no way to keep the main roads clear and get to the secondary streets, neighborhoods and school parking lots and access roads.  I think this will wipe out the remaining snow days in the schools' calendars, and we are just at the beginning of what is usually the snowiest time of year.

    More snow may be coming on Monday.  Oh, joy...

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    they say (none / 0) (#104)
    by Jen M on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 03:38:45 PM EST
    its the most sn*w we've had since 1899.

    I am so sick of the sn*w I actually want to go back to work.

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    did you hear the governor (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Jen M on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 03:39:23 PM EST
    call this storm the "second snowman of the snowpocalypse"

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    No, lol, I didn't, but it does feel more than (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Anne on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 03:57:34 PM EST
    a little like that, doesn't it?

    My office was closed on Monday, but as it turned out, I spent the entire day, until around 8:00 pm, in the ER with my mother.  She had some sort of "episode" Monday morning - which I am inclined to think was an anxiety attack - but with her history of stroke and TIA, the medical personnel at the retirememt community where she lives thought she ought to be seen at the hospital.

    The hospital ER looked like a scene from MASH, with all the people who had not been able to get there during and just after the weekend snow, piling in with everything from bad colds to dislocated joints and heart attacks.

    They decided to keep my mother overnight - the tests they ran up to that point were fine, but her BP was really high, so they decided they should run more tests on Tuesday (everything was okay, and other than adding a new prescription for her BP, they let her go home in the afternoon).

    Tuesday morning I had an appointment scheduled with the ortho doc to see how my broken metatarsal was healing, and from there I went to my mom's apartmemt to pick up some things for her, then to the hospital, then to work.  I felt so out of it, work-wise, that I don't feel like I got much done.

    Now, I would be surprised if we will be able to get in to work before Friday.  I'm sure my firm and countless others are sick about the lost revenue.

    Enough already with the snow!

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    "New" aerial photos... (none / 0) (#89)
    by desertswine on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 02:43:33 PM EST
    of 9/11 released, taken from police helicopters.

    wow (none / 0) (#92)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 02:49:05 PM EST
    god. those are amazing photos (none / 0) (#111)
    by ruffian on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 04:03:35 PM EST
    amazing is the wrong word (none / 0) (#112)
    by ruffian on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 04:05:08 PM EST
    more like jaw-dropping.

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    the people in my (none / 0) (#113)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 04:11:46 PM EST
    effects pod have been ogling them all day.
    amazing.  the scale is hard to wrap you head around.


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    I bet they were (none / 0) (#116)
    by ruffian on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 04:23:54 PM EST
    One of my thoughts was that it looks like special effects from a disaster movie, only I've never seen any cloud effects that good.

    The contrast of the beauty of the surrounding area and the horror of the site is very moving.

    Really capture the day better than any other pictures I have seen.

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    now that Google (none / 0) (#100)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 03:23:14 PM EST
    is fully in bed with Homeland Insanity Agency I think its great that they have launched their own intrusive annoying FaceBook like thing.

    dont you?


    Great laptop sleeve (none / 0) (#118)
    by ruffian on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 04:26:01 PM EST
    for a good cause. Links aren't working for some reason, but go to engadget.com and see the post about the laptop sleeves made out of your own t-shirt. Proceeds go to help women that were being held as sex-slaves in NY.

    Or go right to the company at (none / 0) (#120)
    by ruffian on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 04:27:23 PM EST
    hellorewind.com

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