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The Delusional Pass The Senate Stand Alone Bill Movement

Ah, the "reality based community" is at it again.

They want the House to pass the Senate Stand Alone Health bill. My word, even the Villagers have given up on that one. They know it is impossible. Pelosi is 100 votes short for that.

But the delusional Pass The Stand Alone Senate Bill folks will be whining soon - about Howard Dean, about the Progressive Caucus, about Jane Hamsher - you name it. But they'll never complain about the political geniuses who stand in the way of passage of the Senate bill - the excise tax purists who would rather kill the bill than eliminate or modify the excise tax.

Here's the thing - it does not matter what they say, or I say, or what the Village says - if they want to pass the Senate bill, they'll need to gut the excise tax. It is the only chance for passage in the House. The alternative is incessant whining.

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    but in a good way. (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by cpinva on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 04:08:31 PM EST
    The alternative is incessant whining.

    the cynic in me (i really need to have that looked at) says the whole point of the excise tax is to kill whatever chance remained of passing a healthcare insurance (and that's what we're really talking about here) reform bill.

    single-payer was DOA, they assassinated the public option, all that was left was to toss another regressive tax on to the pile, and the  death spiral of the entire bill reached terminal velocity.

    and it only took a little less than a year to accomplish.

    Not cynical (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 08:00:52 PM EST
    11-dimensional chess with a tinfoil hat on.

    Look, they really are stooopid.  They are absolutely literally not smart enough to carry off something that complex and that diabolical.

    If they were that clever, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now and they wouldn't be looking at getting blown out of potentially both Senate and House in the mid-terms.

    They're a bunch of very dim-witted, very scared little wabbits.


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    The diarist's assertion that (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by Anne on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 04:27:15 PM EST
    passing the existing bill is better than passing nothing is waving the last white flag in what has been a veritable blizzard of white flags.

    It got waved when we were told single payer was not only off the table, but they weren't even going to get a chance to weigh in.

    It got waved when the so-called public option got smaller and smaller and smaller until it disappeared.

    It got waved when Stupak/Nelson reared its ugly head.

    Mandates with penalties, excise taxes - again and again and again, these so-called "progressives" have waved the white flag, and now some of them are doing it again.

    No wonder there is so much derision and disrespect for the so-called "left blogosphere;" who could possibly respect those who don't even have enough self-respect to stand up for what they believe?

    dailyKos... (none / 0) (#17)
    by NealB on Mon Feb 08, 2010 at 09:31:06 AM EST
    ...barely qualifies as left blogosphere any more, IMHO. The hundreds of comments to Cedwyn's diary  included not a single dissent to his call for capitulation.

    Several years ago (after Dean), dailyKos implemented new classes of membership that effectively shut out those, like me, that were sometimes unvarnished in their rhetoric. Markos got all hopped up on widgets that permitted "reality-based," "purple," "Democrats" to tag and intimidate those without the proper credentials, to literally hide their points of view and ban them from participating.

    But dailyKos, by 2004, was already the powerhouse lefty blog; widely considered to be the go-to bleeding-edge archetype of an extreme liberal blog. And so it got all the attention and it got to be huge. Markos couldn't let it stay too "wild," lest its hegemony be jeopardized. I guess it was bound to happen.

    dailyKos hasn't been a free exchange of ideas from participants representing a wide range of opinion for many years. It long ago became a tightly controlled forum where only the centerist conformists (often using New Democrat / Third Way framing and tactics) were promoted. These controlling propagandists became the elite; the more-equal class of the community. Deviations from "reasonable," "approved" messaging became less and less acceptable. Now, reading diaries and comments on dailyKos is like watching cattle shuffle through chutes for inoculations, pesticide dips, and the slaughter. (Yes, I just watched the HBO movie Temple Grandin...amazing movie.) For a site that started out less than ten years ago as a place where diversity was encouraged and a wide range of ideas were welcome, it's become not much more than corporate agitprop, a tool of the "traditional media," and the politics-as-usual that it purports to oppose.

    (Armando [Big Tent Democrat] was there then; how many times he got poked with stray prods before the new systems were installed I can't remember. Fun times.)

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    i think some of them actually want (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Turkana on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 04:37:15 PM EST
    the senate bill. some write a lot about the senate bill being better than nothing, and before the sotu they were PASS IT NOW, but some of them never write about the bill's deficiencies, or how it could be fixed. and then they take the tack that they're being the realists, despite the reality that the house won't pass the bill, as is.

    i don't know why, and i'm not going to guess, but some of that crowd seem to prefer the senate bill...

    Well, if they are Obama supporters, (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by observed on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 04:40:23 PM EST
    and their politics are aligned with his, it would makes sense they would prefer not to tax the precious upper class wealth; instead, let the lucky duckies start carrying their own weight and stop dragging down US companies' global competitiveness.
    Alternatively, they have no clue at all, and are going by whatever the White House feeds them.

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    Obama Has No Core Beliefs (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by norris morris on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 09:48:40 PM EST
     The truth is that Obama has no core beliefs.

    He has shown no interest in advancing or explaining a healthcare bill. And it's al too obvious that he hasn't the desire,will, or guts to do anything about or either he prefers to gut it or see a rotten corporate piece of rot rammed through

    This healthcare debacle is entirely of Obama's making and there is no other explanation.

    We watched two idiotic trips to Copenhagen and winced. After the first, we were embarrassed because Obama's ego was so great  he overlooked the obvious.  There was never a sliver of possibility regarding the Olympics. It was common knowledge for a long time that either SA or Spain were destined, and the Head of the Committee was not exactly on America's A list.

    Yet Obama was led to believe by his Village that his charm offensive would win the day. Just show up, Obama, and the Olympics will go to Chicago. Aided and abetted by adorer/aide Jarrett, Obama was humiliated.
    On his second trip to Copenhagen his lackluster speech accomplished zip, yet his spin machine heralded his trip as a victory for climate change, bla,blah.

    So there's a good deal of narcicissm combined with arrogant presumption, with no core beliefs to be seen. It's called opportunism.

    Obama appears to be a center right politician and when necessary politically, a right Blue Dog.

    Just look at his cringe making economic team and it's behavior and message hypes.

    As he's said no one told all of you people to expect so much. You read that all into him.

    He's said it's all the Republican's fault inspite of a huge majority.  He's said it's the Village's fault as they expect what he never promised. and then he tried another one a week ago.

    If you want change, it ain't easy and you'll have to fight for it. I can't do it with all that's going on.

    So after Mass. it's become Jobs,Jobs,Jobs.

    So we now see the subtext.  And oh yes, Obama claims that he never supported the Public Option. Obama is obviously lying as there are lots of videos to the contraire. Since his promotion of the idea of the pubic option was on his website, it has been....scrubbed.

     

    Honestly, I think HCR is so (none / 0) (#5)
    by observed on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 04:43:24 PM EST
    complicated (short of single payer) that I'm willing to listen to the experts.
    The problem I have is that the excise tax was clearly chosen for political rather than policy reasons. When I can see with my own eyes that politics drove the choice, I don't trust any expert who says this was the best way---especially when he is not honest about where his funds come from.

    He did pick a side. (none / 0) (#7)
    by observed on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 07:05:23 PM EST
    Btw, I've always loved your comments, because you say things I am thinking, but more articulately.
    I had exactly the same thought about Barack Zelig Obama a few days ago.

    I asked one of my travel (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 07:08:11 PM EST
    companions if he had any current info on status of HCR. He sd. Senate bill will be it. It has good stuff in it. I went off on its deficiencies. He wasn't interested. Did pound the drum and pavement for Obama.  

    HCR bipartisan summit on Feb 25, CSPAN (none / 0) (#9)
    by Politalkix on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 07:59:00 PM EST
    Good luck with that. (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by observed on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 08:00:52 PM EST
    Republicans won't give an inch.
    The only possible point of this stunt is to show the House that passing the Senate bill is the only option.

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    Sounds like the excise tax purists... (none / 0) (#12)
    by lambert on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 08:42:32 PM EST
    ... took negotiation 101 with BTD:
    excise tax purists who would rather kill the bill than eliminate or modify the excise tax

    "Buy this magazine or we shoot this dog."

    This Dog (none / 0) (#14)
    by norris morris on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 09:51:50 PM EST
    Won't hunt.

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    Under reconcilliation (none / 0) (#15)
    by Watermark on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 10:03:41 PM EST
    we should be able to put the millionare's tax back in place, which may be able to get the working class back on our side.  A public option would make the bill more popular, but, ironically, we don't have as many votes for an unpopular bill as a popular bill.

    Just one poster on Daily Kos (none / 0) (#16)
    by RickTaylor on Mon Feb 08, 2010 at 08:48:27 AM EST
    That's just one poster on daily Kos. At least from what I've seen, nearly everyone on the left who supports the bill by this stage has figured out the house is not going to take unilateral action.