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Starts tomorrow. On the flip are my picks. This is an Open Thread.

FIRST ROUND WINNERS

GAME1=Kansas, GAME2=N Iowa, GAME3=Michigan St, GAME4=Maryland, GAME5=Tennessee, GAME6=Georgetown, GAME7=Georgia Tech, GAME8=Ohio St, GAME9=Syracuse, GAME10=Florida St, GAME11=Butler, GAME12=Vanderbilt, GAME13=Xavier, GAME14=Pittsburgh, GAME15=Florida, GAME16=Kansas St, GAME17=Kentucky, GAME18=Wake Forest, GAME19=Temple, GAME20=Wisconsin, GAME21=Marquette, GAME22=New Mexico, GAME23=Missouri, GAME24=W Virginia, GAME25=Duke, GAME26=Louisville, GAME27=Texas AM, GAME28=Purdue, GAME29=Notre Dame, GAME30=Baylor, GAME31=Richmond, GAME32=Villanova

SECOND ROUND WINNERS

GAME33=Kansas, GAME34=Maryland, GAME35=Georgetown, GAME36=Georgia Tech, GAME37=Syracuse, GAME38=Vanderbilt, GAME39=Xavier, GAME40=Kansas St, GAME41=Kentucky, GAME42=Temple, GAME43=Marquette, GAME44=W Virginia, GAME45=Duke, GAME46=Texas AM, GAME47=Notre Dame, GAME48=Richmond

SWEET SIXTEEN WINNERS

GAME49=Kansas, GAME50=Georgetown, GAME51=Syracuse, GAME52=Xavier, GAME53=Kentucky, GAME54=W Virginia, GAME55=Texas AM, GAME56=Notre Dame

ELITE 8 WINNERS

GAME57=Kansas, GAME58=Xavier, GAME59=Kentucky, GAME60=Texas AM

FINAL 4 WINNERS

GAME61=Kansas, GAME62=Kentucky

CHAMPIONSHIP GAME WINNER

GAME63=Kentucky

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    sadly its not even the low point (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 04:10:28 PM EST
    Beck and Limpbaugh attacking a 10 year old boy whos mother had recently died because he spoke in support of passing the health care bill.

    that I think was the low point.
    so far.


    heres (none / 0) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 04:22:53 PM EST
    some video
    you might want to move out of reach of anything you can throw.


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    High unemployment expected (5.00 / 0) (#76)
    by caseyOR on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 07:46:10 PM EST
    for years to come. In information given to the House Appropriations Committee yesterday, Tim Geithner, Christine Romer and Peter Orszag informed members that the Obama Administration expects unemployment to remain at very high levels: 8.9% in the 4th qtr. of 2011 and only down to 7.9% one year later, 4th qtr. 2012.

    This is horrendous news for everyone. And, given that this administration has tended to lowball their unemployment predictions, I expect the numbers to be higher. Are they trying to prepare us to accept chronically high unemployment and the attendant continued decline in living standards?

    Since these numbers only speak to the "official" unemployment figures, the one that only counts people who have no work and are actively looking, and ignores the millions more who are underemployed or have given up but want full-time work, the real tragedy is much, much worse.

    At some point enough people are going to be pushed beyond their limits. At that point this country could explode.

    So, we've wasted an entire year on a crummy health insurance reform plan that nobody will be able to afford to buy because they don't have jobs.

    Where is the JOBS bill?

    Well, the anticipated/predicted high (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 07:54:01 PM EST
    unemployment for years to come is actually based on the fact they have no JOBS bill now or in the making :) That, and there's been no re-write of NAFTA so 80% of the green jobs are in China (along with hundreds of millions of the stimulus dollars), and the infrastructure can wait while they lock in their campaign contributions from the insurance companies.


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    Forgot to give a h/t (none / 0) (#79)
    by caseyOR on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 07:49:57 PM EST
    to Calculated Risk for the the unemployment story.

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    W Virgina over Duke (none / 0) (#1)
    by ruffian on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 03:35:03 PM EST
    I hope that game comes to pass- would be a great one. Hopeit ends as you pick too

    this makes me embarrassed (none / 0) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 03:39:45 PM EST
    I keep wishing I had a big sign (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Jen M on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 04:56:53 PM EST
    that read

    "Matthew 25:31-46" to wave at folks like that.

    Maybe I could get it as a t-shirt...

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    How dareth you quoteth (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by MKS on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:29:15 PM EST
    the Bible to "Christians"?  

    Good verse choice....

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    Pathetic (none / 0) (#3)
    by waldenpond on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 04:04:03 PM EST
    Feeling the Christianity are you?  I hope that is not some Republican staffer flinging money.

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    not sure what I am feeling (none / 0) (#5)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 04:09:07 PM EST
    but I am pretty sure it has nothing whatever to do with Christianity.

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    Color me skeptical (none / 0) (#7)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 04:11:28 PM EST
    Just too much of a "made for TV" moment.

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    Skeptical? (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by squeaky on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 04:22:24 PM EST
    But you swallowed hook line and sinker the report of a left winger spitting on a one legged Iraq war vet.

    Not to mention reports of Obama being a muslim who was trained in a madrass, or the notion that Obama is not even an american.

    But according to you, this recent "made for TV moment" has to have been fabricated...

    lol

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    All I know is what I (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:09:26 PM EST
    Need Glasses? (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by squeaky on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:36:20 PM EST
    Your quote:

    Wow. Spitting on a one-legged war vet. Oh well, they knew he couldn't chase them down.

    NYT quote:

    Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back.

    Besides the fact that Mr Starling had a history of being attacked by the left, notice the difference in your account of the incident and the NYT account.

    Funny too that the NYT reporter does relate the exchange between Mr Starling and the DFH prior to the exchange of spit, save for the mention that "words were exchanged".

    Also the reporter mentions that Mr Starling spat back, did that mean he spat at the ground as well?

    And then there is Starling's revised version of the events, which differ from the NYT account.

    On Hannity & Colmes, Sparling offered details, claiming that a man wearing an 82nd Airborne badge was one of several people who spit at him, and he asserted, contrary to the Times report, that he did not spit back at the protester. Sparling also "clarif[ied]" his quote from the Times article, claiming that he was referring to just "the vulgar people."

    Media Matters

    And as to your larger currently unstated, but oft repeated, point:

    Fifteen years ago, sociologist and Vietnam War veteran Jerry Lembcke researched spitting stories in the media during the 1960s and 70s. He told us two years ago that not a single first-hand account was published.

    link

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    So what is in dispuite is (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:12:29 PM EST
    1. That he was spit at but not on.

    Okay, I'll give you that with a horse laugh if you want to defend those actions.

    2. That he either did or did not spit back.

    If he did not, fine. If he did, fine.

    Nice people those war protesters.

    And I don't remember your claim that I claimed Vietnam vets were spit at. Perhaps you can prove your claim?

    As for the truth in that, I'd belief a Urban Legend over Lembcke any day of the week. Emotions were too high for it to not have happened.

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    BS (none / 0) (#55)
    by squeaky on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:19:36 PM EST
    If indeed the incident happened, spitting on the ground is a far far cry from spitting either at someone or on someone.

    And I don't remember your claim that I claimed Vietnam vets were spit at. Perhaps you can prove your claim
    ?

    Gladly:

    As for the truth in that, I'd belief a Urban Legend over Lembcke any day of the week. Emotions were too high for it to not have happened.

    Nice that you answered your own question, saves me the time to do a TL search.

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    If you want to defend spitting (none / 0) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:43:29 PM EST
    at someone, be my guest.

    It defines you quite well.

    And since you are too lazy to do your own work:

    That's not true (5.00 / 2) (#127)
    by daryl herbert on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:26:30 AM EST"

    And here's one for someone you know and love. ;-)

    At the height of the war there were about 500,000 troops in Vietnam. Given the war's length and the one year service period, the number who served was
    2,709,965.
    Using your figure of 1% that would mean that 27,100 encountered hostile actions from their fellow citizens. Given that many people are loath to report conflict, just wanting to get on with life, the real number is probably much higher.

    But if you are satisfied with the 27,100 then you are welcome to it. I do think it tells us much about you.



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    Moving Goalposts Again? (none / 0) (#64)
    by squeaky on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:48:41 PM EST
    Since when is spitting on the ground spitting at someone?

    Spitting at someone and missing is very similar to spitting at someone and hitting them, although the later is considered an assault.

    Spitting on the ground could be considered littering, although more so when TB was rampant, not so much today.

    But of course your version is that Mr Starling was spit on, even after reading your NYT. Says a lot about how you process information.

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    Parse all you want (none / 0) (#84)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 10:12:25 PM EST
    but spitting at someone,especially a wounded vet, even if you miss,is not behavior I would want to defend.

    Evidently you do.

    BTW - If you go to the link you will see that I quoted the NYT story even then.

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    Dishonest (none / 0) (#92)
    by squeaky on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 02:43:56 AM EST
    Considering your statement: All I know is what I read in the New York Times, you are being dishonest. Either you read the article, or you posted a link without ever having read the linked article.

    From what you profess to know, via NYT:

    Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit  back.

    What you just said:

    Parse all you want but spitting at someone....

    The anti-war protester did not spit at, or on, Mr Starling. He spat on the ground. Maybe he held back because he was from the same AF division, who knows, but there is no evidence that he spat at Mr Starling

     And yes I know that you think that your comments on TL and elsewhere are political acts, but the man from the 82nd Airborne did not spit at Mr Starling, he spit at the ground in disgust, in response to something Mr Starling had to say.

    Oh, and if you find any first hand accounts of DFHs spitting at vietnam vets, please feel free to provide a link.

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    hehehehhee (none / 0) (#93)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 09:02:54 AM EST
    Sure, he just happened to spit on the ground near the vet.

    hahahahahahahahhahahahahaha

    You're a hoot, squeaky.

    But you can't hide on this one.

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    No (none / 0) (#99)
    by squeaky on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 02:38:10 PM EST
    ppj up to his old tricks, goal posts made of jello.

    You posted the NYT article and smugly wrote:

    All I know is what I
    read in the New York Times.

    Spitting on the ground, when provoked, insulted, or just plain disgusted, is at best littering. Spitting at someone is attempted assault. Spitting on someone, is an assault.

    Now you could have just linked to your favorite, powerlie, redstate etc, where you obviously got the story, but instead you smugly invoked an article from the "paper of record" which, hilariously, you did not even read, considering your malkin/beck/limbaugh quote:

    Spitting on a one-legged war vet. Oh well, they knew he couldn't chase them down.

    Next time stick to the wingnut funny pages, not so many big words to struggle with, and no difficult things like facts to grapple with.

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    "all I know is what I read in NYT" (none / 0) (#33)
    by magster on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:27:45 PM EST
    explains a lot.

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    I thought the meme (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by jondee on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 11:37:07 PM EST
    on Planet Wingnuttia was dont believe anything in the NYT? Unless it's something about wmds -- or someone spitting "at" (ie, within five hundred feet) of a right wing veteran.

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    Well, I said I was ashamed.... (none / 0) (#94)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 09:04:37 AM EST
    And yes, the Vet was spit at.

    We all know it.

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    We all know it (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by jondee on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 10:10:55 AM EST
    because if nothing else, right wing nutbars cannot tell a lie. Ever.

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    We all know (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by jondee on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 11:03:14 AM EST
    Terri was lucid, Sen Craig was set up and Saddam just hid those wmds very well, too.

    All you have to do is believe in fairies.

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    As the New York Times said: (none / 0) (#97)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 12:01:36 PM EST
    Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back.

    Looks like the protester is a member of the gang that couldn't spit straight.

    Imagine him with a weapon. He'd probably shoot himself and his fellow soldiers.

    lol

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    And then the spitee.. (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by jondee on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 01:55:15 PM EST
    turned around, teabagged Sarah Palin and mocked a sick ten year -- and then broke into a chorus of God Bless America.

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    Yes, I am so ashamed. (none / 0) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:01:25 PM EST
    skeptical of what? (none / 0) (#9)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 04:13:52 PM EST
    that the man has Parkinsons?  that they humiliated him.
    pathetic.


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    Yes, skeptical. (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:03:33 PM EST
    I mean the world is full of fakery. I refer you to the runaway Pirus and the child lost in the balloon.

    Is this guy for real? Maybe. Maybe not.

    In any event he acted foolishly and got a fool in the other side to act foolishly.

    And no one's minds were changed and nothing was accomplished.

    Now you can go feel superior because you "care."

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    You miss the point (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by MKS on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:15:34 PM EST
    It is about the neatly-dressed guy throwing money.....

    The man presented himself as having Parkinson's....and the reaction was this disgusting taunting....The guy throwing the money had no way of knowing whether or not the man really had Parkinson's.....but he taunted him nevertheless.

    But it is to be expected:  He was acting just like Rush, who taunted and mocked Michael J. Fox after all.

    To too many Tea Partiers, compassion is a disease....

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    how do you feel about (none / 0) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:11:16 PM EST
    the 10 year old.
    just curious

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    Jim would have loved me in Crawford TX (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:01:44 PM EST
    I had a lot of those moments :)  Now when the two blondes in huge Ford diesel tried to run over Carlos Arrendondo because he dared to protest wanting President Bush to answer the question "What Noble Cause?"  That was a true made for television moment, but no cameras were running.  Protesting wingers are just flat nuts though.

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    And protesting Lefties aren't? (none / 0) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:06:32 PM EST
    It's an effigy (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:22:01 PM EST
    And CNN and everybody else mainstream isn't giving such people credibility in the debate either every single day.  I'm talking about insane Winger women threatening to run over a Latino man who lost his son in Iraq and has a body covered in scars because they don't think he should be able to say anything they don't like.  When we were protesting too, these punk a$$ 20 somethings would get in my face and tell me what a "loser" I was having NO IDEA who I was.  When I asked them where their uniform was, not a single one them were serving or had served.  When they found out one of the heads of this family puts his a$$ in harms way every day they literally ran away from me.  And I would chase them until the Vietnam Vets caught me....heh....I suppose we can be a bit crazy too.  But my crazy has a basis in the existing reality....I'm not afraid of monsters under my bed and then trying to run people over or get in their face and call them losers because the monsters under my bed tell me to:)  

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    Call me Jim when they burn a soldier (none / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:22:36 PM EST
    Don't bother (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Jen M on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:31:45 PM EST
    "But but but but, they do it" is his standard response anytime conservatives do anything wrong.

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    been trying to get an opinion (none / 0) (#39)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:34:44 PM EST
    on attacking the 10 year old.

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    You watch too much TV, (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Anne on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:36:41 PM EST
    and spend too much time caught up in the drama whipped up by people who live and die by ratings and advertising dollars.

    The country is chock full of people living lives of quiet desperation and need, who are ill, alone, forced into terrible situations for no other reason than that they were born.  Police here arrested a woman who beat her 2 month old baby to death and buried her in a local park; her other four children were taken away from her last year.  There are millions of people whose lives are spiraling downward, who don't deserve their situations any more than any of the people Limbaugh mocks for sport, or Obama uses to help pass legislation.

    If you want to do something other than scorn those who mock the unfortunate, or praise those who milk their misfortune, volunteer at a soup kitchen, be a Big Brother, mentor a student, buy a homeless person a meal, donate clothes and books and toiletries to a shelter, donate to your local Fuel Fund; if you already do these things, that's a wonderful thing, and more helpful than excoriating the likes of Limbaugh for his cruelty or praising Obama for resurrecting his dead mother every time he wants to appear to understand what people are going through.

    The TV is killing you, whether you realize it or not.

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    Good luck. (none / 0) (#43)
    by Jen M on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:37:52 PM EST
    Me I nearly threw something at the tv the first time I saw it. I couldn't believe Rush was so nasty.

    Shouldn't have been surprised though. Its like him.

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    I honestly think (none / 0) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:39:37 PM EST
    its the worst thing I have ever seen.  and that is saying a mouthful.

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    I feel sorry in a way (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by MKS on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:43:01 PM EST
    for the guy throwing money....It is so hard to watch.

    It reminds me of when I was in fourth grade and was mean to the kid in the seat behind mine in school.  I suppose if I am to be judged, that one is on me.....

    People like the guy throwing money are still in the fourth grade.....They never mature morally....stunted human beings....

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    Ashamed (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by waldenpond on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:58:59 PM EST
    Someone is going to come forward and they will be outed and they will be shamed if not ashamed.

    I must be naive.  I just cringe at both of them.  Leaning at someone and mocking them... ugh.  The gentleman is in a very submissive position and the others are so over the top. Cringe.

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    I'd like to think (none / 0) (#66)
    by Jen M on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:51:43 PM EST
    They felt bad the next day.

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    The dude is now infamous (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by MKS on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:56:15 PM EST
    The whole world knows he is a complete horse's arse.....His poor mother.....

    He is a poster child for selfish cruelty.....

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    Yes, both sides "do it." (none / 0) (#50)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:13:55 PM EST
    Saints are in short supply now days.

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    It is called avoiding the subject (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by MKS on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:23:47 PM EST
    You always know Republicans have no answer when they say, "the other guy does it too."

    The most recent example of this is conservatives hauling one comment of Barney Frank out of obscurity from years ago about minority lending.  This is the defense of why the Republicans are not to blame for the meltdown of the financial system in 2008.

    After chucking up the Barney Frank quote, they then go back to harping about how we can't have more regulation--oblivious to the main point:  Democrats favor more financial regulation; Republicans oppose it. They don't address at all the issue of whether it was the lack of regulation that caused the financial meltdown.

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    As Colonel Potter (none / 0) (#70)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 07:11:44 PM EST
    said... "Horse hockey."

    Both sides do it, have done it and will do it. While you want to whip up on the idiot on TV you ignore the Left's demand for "clean" fuel and NIMBY for drilling.... That only produced $8.00 a bushel corn and caused starvation of millions.

    The Right shakes in their boots when the subject of single payer insurance comes up and the Left joins them when asked  who will pay and how.

    In the meantime the people actually doing the work, Doctors and nurses, are saying they'll just opt out.

    So please spare me the "I'm just so good" attitude. I have been around this planet too long to believe.

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    Around this planet (none / 0) (#87)
    by jondee on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 11:40:49 PM EST
    just not on it.

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    Heard it since Nixon..... (none / 0) (#54)
    by MKS on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:16:43 PM EST
    But do you find their actions reasonable? (none / 0) (#34)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:29:23 PM EST
    I do (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:42:08 PM EST
    and I think it is fine to burn the flag too.  I am not offended by either.  Now when a leftist gets in my face and tells me that my husband is a cold hearted child murderer because he serves, I used to get upset about that but I don't know that I would now.  Heh, a fellow lefty was giving me a hard time saying such things last week...I guess it doesn't bother me too much any more.  At least THAT VOICE was geniune and had integrity.  The lefties that really get my goat now are the ones who called my husband the worst things in world when Bush was CIC but now that Obama is CIC would paint him now as suddenly an acceptable human being.  This is where my hatred of Booman comes from.

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    Okay (none / 0) (#53)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:16:38 PM EST
    Now we know that you think burning soldiers in effigy is reasonable.....

    I think it's over the top myself but then that's just me.

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    And I respect that for you it is over the top (none / 0) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:20:00 PM EST
    Selective Humanism (none / 0) (#58)
    by squeaky on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:22:41 PM EST
    Is always soooo touching.
    Now we know that you think burning soldiers in effigy is reasonable.....
    I think it's over the top myself but then that's just me.



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    It's just another (none / 0) (#89)
    by jondee on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 12:01:21 AM EST
    liberal-controlled-media set up, eh Jim?

    Those people will stop at nothing.

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    Don't you love it? (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 04:55:18 PM EST
    Every child must be born so that the sick ones and the special needs ones can be treated like this.  That is how I see it.  And Republicans must always make sure that there is someone out there that they can belittle and easily abuse so they can finally feel good about themselves.  That is how I see it too.

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    did you watch (none / 0) (#18)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 04:57:11 PM EST
    the video above?

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    about the 10 year old (none / 0) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 04:57:37 PM EST
    I mean

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    I would be happy to join a protest (none / 0) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:17:53 PM EST
    pointing out that Obama's health care planS most likely would not have helped his Mother and that what we need, as I have said before, is a true single payer system based on the Medicare model.

    But now that even Dennis Kucinich has signed on that possibility has become slimmer.

    This bill is about paying off the Insurance companies, not health care.

    It is just an exorcise in power between the Left and the Right.

    You know that and I know that.

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    but how do you feel (none / 0) (#30)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:19:28 PM EST
    about Limpbaugh and Beck attacking him?

    Parent
    Well, I haven't seen/heard anything about it (none / 0) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:34:39 PM EST
    except from you. But I have always known that both are capable of doing stupid things... as was Markos when he wrote this.

    Now, how do you feel about single payer and if you are for it why are agreeable to letting Obama foist this abortion on us?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

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    Inquiring minds also (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by jondee on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 12:14:52 AM EST
    want to know how sincere a person is about "supporting single payer" when that same person, at every opportunity and in every other instance, carries water for the faction most militantly opposed to single payer.

    I smell (more) b.s.

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    I see (none / 0) (#42)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:36:34 PM EST
    well I think single payer is a wonderful thing.  I have defended the canadian system, which I used for two years, many times.
    I also think anyone who thinks that will happen in the US, any time soon, is not in complete contact with reality.


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    Well, it is even (2.00 / 1) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:55:44 PM EST
    farther away.....

    So much for the changey thing.

    Parent

    now for some fun (none / 0) (#8)
    by CST on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 04:13:35 PM EST
    What type of nerd are you?

    I have a little bit of a few of these, but I come from a family of Mad Scientists and Wonks.  I'd say I probably fall more along the Mad Scientist lines, and I wouldn't call myself a Wonk in this crowd - that's reserved for the BTDs and andgardens who like to argue about senate rulz and procedures.  I'm only a Wonk compared to my Mad Scientist peers.

    looks like (none / 0) (#10)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 04:17:10 PM EST
    I am a SciFi-Tech-MusicSnob-Wonk-Gamer-Gay nerd.

    whew

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    I fall into several categories (none / 0) (#26)
    by andgarden on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:14:20 PM EST
    If Kentucky wins, Obama has to insert (none / 0) (#13)
    by magster on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 04:37:01 PM EST
    the PO.  If Kansas wins, BTD has to acknowledge Obama's saintly perfection.

    It's time for a bracket showdown/throwdown.

    Dems suicide pact .... (none / 0) (#14)
    by trillian on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 04:50:12 PM EST
    Unable to Pay for Health Care Bill, Dems Look to Raise Excise Tax on Middle Class

    Of course as Jon Walker says, the PO Obama traded away in his backroom deal, would have fixed that

    I'm lost....what part of the health insurance (none / 0) (#29)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:18:03 PM EST
    bill is the gov't paying for? We are the ones who will be paying the premiums, and we are the ones who produce the money the gov't calls theirs. What besides taxes does the gov't do for income?

     

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    Yuck (none / 0) (#51)
    by observed on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:15:22 PM EST
    Why don't they tax the lower middle class? That's the Republican way.

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    Are you aware that (none / 0) (#65)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:50:41 PM EST
    a family of 4 with income of around $39,000 pays no FIT?

    Do you think disconnecting them from the fact services cost someone money is conducive to a stable society?

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    Ah, the lucky ducky argument. (none / 0) (#67)
    by observed on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:52:58 PM EST
    Been a while since I saw that one.

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    Nope, that's not my point (none / 0) (#71)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 07:15:11 PM EST
    I am well aware that a family of 4 living on $39K are in a real struggle. But how do we insure that they connect to the cost of government?

    If it costs you nothing then it is always easy to ask for more.

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    That IS the lucky ducky argument. (none / 0) (#77)
    by observed on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 07:49:08 PM EST
    And your answer is?? (none / 0) (#83)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 09:59:11 PM EST
    The people who rode (none / 0) (#88)
    by jondee on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 11:49:58 PM EST
    the them-Iraqi's-attacked-us-on-9/11 wave and are  still prattling about foreign-born Presidents are now concerned about folks who aren't "connected" to reality and what government costs.

    Gotta love it.

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    "Easy" (none / 0) (#91)
    by jondee on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 12:26:25 AM EST
    and "costs you nothing". Interesting choice of words to use in relation to a family of four living within hearing range of the poverty level.

    Straight from the mouth of Antoinette-in-drag.

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    I'm going to call you on that (none / 0) (#73)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 07:27:34 PM EST
    The tax tables do not support your claim at all.

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    If the $39K is taxable income, (none / 0) (#74)
    by Anne on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 07:37:25 PM EST
    then, yes, there is tax - but if that's gross income, you still don't really know if there is tax unless you know what the deductions are.

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    Exactly, but that income for four people (none / 0) (#78)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 07:49:34 PM EST
    doesn't indicate they have the spending power required to accomplish the deductions they would have to have to get to zero tax liability.

    Having been a single mom for many years, with 2 kids, and a much lower income than that, I always had tax liabilities of a couple thousand, so I am doubting the claim.


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    That's 39K gross (none / 0) (#82)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 09:58:07 PM EST
    Now do the STANDARD deductions and STANDARD exemptions and the taxable income is $13000, tax on that is $1303.. Tax credit for two children of $2000.... Taxes owed are zero.

    Use 1040A...

    As a head of household your standard deduction would be $8350. Your exemptions would $10950 for a taxable of income of $19700 for a tax of a $2361. Deduct $2000 for the two children tax credit and you have a balance due of $361.

    I am unsure when the child tax credit came in but I think it was part of the Bush tax cuts.

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    If San Diego State... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Dadler on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 04:56:37 PM EST
    ...can avoid the jitters, they should do well against Tennessee.  The Aztecs are very athletic and long, play intense defense, and Freshman Kawhi Leonard (California H.S. player of the year last season) is a beast on the glass (set a MWC conference tournament record with 21 rebounds in the final against UNLV).  But our lack of depth, especially at point guard, as well as poor free throw shooting (though much better of late) could be our undoing.  Along with those aforementioned tournament rookie jitters.  

    Now you tell me. (none / 0) (#75)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 07:40:41 PM EST
    Where were you when I was filling out my bracket this morning?  

    I haven't a clue about the college scene this year what with my Hawkeyes sucking so much corn that I can't watch anymore.  Lots of guessing with a couple sentimental favorites (Northern Iowa and St. Mary's) thrown in as 1st Round winners.

    I'm probably do better than I do with my "informed" picks.

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    Trumka bending over? (none / 0) (#22)
    by waldenpond on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:04:04 PM EST
    Trumka headed to the hill (FDL.)  Going after the excise tax, need more money.

    wtf? Minority Report? (none / 0) (#27)
    by Jen M on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:17:41 PM EST
    oh poop (none / 0) (#35)
    by Jen M on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:30:20 PM EST
    I'm always forgetting about the link thingie. Sorry

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    are you suggesting (none / 0) (#37)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:33:42 PM EST
    this person should not have been "evaluated"?
    if so I would disagree.

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    Evaluated (none / 0) (#40)
    by Jen M on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:35:20 PM EST
    and a home invasion with a military unit when no law has been broken

    are two different things

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    well I dont know the specifics (none / 0) (#44)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 05:38:48 PM EST
    and I hate home invasion as much as anyone but someone described as "extremely disgruntled" who "buys several firearms" in a couple of days of being so described is on my list of maybes for a home invasion.


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    Round 1 Upset (none / 0) (#57)
    by CoralGables on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 06:21:55 PM EST
    Wofford takes down Wisconsin. Gotta love an underdog with a Terrier as a mascot. They'll make a marvelous Cinderella.

    Obama Interview (none / 0) (#72)
    by waldenpond on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 07:17:47 PM EST
    Watching a summary of clips on MSNBC.   Baeir (sp) continuously talking over the President.  Not a big deal to challenge in an interview, but let the guy talk.

    We just started watching the movie (none / 0) (#81)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 08:44:28 PM EST
    'Jesus' Son'  The beginning set my hair on fire, I suppose because it isn't a stretch for me to imagine such an occurance.  Josh is watching it with me though and he says about Billy Crudup, "What's wrong with that guy?  He's always sort of weird creepy."  And that cracked me up because Billy Crudup does do weird creepy well.  He did a good job playing Arch Cummings in 'The Good Shepherd'.

    U of Memphis (none / 0) (#85)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 10:18:44 PM EST
    73, St Johns 71. Great game.