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I'm glad to see news unrelated to health care today. The media was getting awfully one-dimensional.

Tonight the top 11 on American Idol sing Billboard's top songs. Can't wait to see Crystal, hope she has a good night. Casey too.

We're in the midst of a whopper of snow storm. It began with thundersnow around 3 pm and will continue until tomorrow.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    I got hooked on 'Justified' (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 09:09:47 PM EST
    with just one episode last week. That Timothy Olyphant...he got me in Deadwood and I am picking right back up on my crush.

    Great writing too, in case I care what he is actually saying.

    just watched it (none / 0) (#29)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 01:01:47 AM EST
    Not bad. I don't know about an entire series in Kentucky, might get a little limiting, and the southern accents are cloying after a while. But tonight's episode was pretty good. I liked the main guy. I agree he's good looking but a little too pretty for my taste, not that sexy. I'll probably watch again if I think of it, but I doubt I'd make it "appointment television." Damages is way better.

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    Damages definitely better! (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by ruffian on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 09:13:09 AM EST
    I like the continuing mystery and interesting female characters.

    But I do like the Justified dialogue better. Must have taken a lot of it right from Elmore Leonard because it sure is not like most TV writing. If it stays that good I will keep watching.

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    Besides having an interest in (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by ZtoA on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 10:32:19 PM EST
    ex-cult members and other rather strange types of people, I also have a real weakness for lawyers. Also, I have made an outsider study of internet communication. So recently I met a young dude at a party and we got to talking. Turns out he is going into law and is going to one of those 'Colorado' schools (sorry, -can't keep them all straight, heh). So I said that my favorite blog was TalkLeft and his face lit up and he said "yeah, I love that blog too" and then mentioned respect for Jeralyn. There's not that many blogs that appeal to people like me (not the springiest chicken) AND 20 somethings. I know it is partly because of the niche of legal blogging, but it is more than that.

    Is the telecomm industry out to get me? (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 10:50:14 PM EST
    Just got to 3G but Sprint has moved on to 4G.  

    Chit, I just figured out how to sort of (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 11:09:17 PM EST
    be smart and now I'm stoopid again.

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    Hard frost coming here (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 11:04:12 PM EST
    After a decent winter and a pretty mild late winter, we're suddenly told it's going to be down in the low teens the next three nights.  Aeeiiii!  Luckily, I hadn't planted peas yet, but I'm going to have to race around tomorrow and try to put some kind of protection over all the crocuses and early species tulips that have bloomed or are getting ready to bloom.  PITA.

    Not to mention I'm almost out of dry firewood and having to resort to the blasted oil boiler to fend off that degree of cold.  Even with my tiny woodstove, I've had to use only 200 gallons of heating oil this year, not even a full tank, compared to about 1,000 before I got the stove.  Incredible.

    Wow. (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by nycstray on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 11:09:51 PM EST
    Glad that isn't coming here (while I'm still here!) After tasting the 70's last week, I'm so over extreme cold. I think The Dot is also.

    Hopefully tomorrow will go easy for ya and you'll be able to get everything protected without any hitches :)

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    It's definitely (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 11:20:27 PM EST
    much harder to deal with after even a few days of warmer weather than it is in the depths of dark mid-winter!  70s we haven't been close to yet, but by now 50 seems like being in Florida.

    By this time in the year, I've just totally lost my ability to stand being chilly for even one solitary second.

    So why did I move to a place with an even longer winter than where I already was, I ask myself?  Sigh.

    Thanks for the good wishes.  We'll get through it fine, it's just a-- well, just a PITA.

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    We only had a couple days (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by nycstray on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 11:32:31 PM EST
    now we're back to 'normal', if you don't count the rainfall amounts, lol!~ The average where I'm moving is a bit warmer than SF year round. And I can grow year round. Serious winter temps will be optional (time at the cabin). I'm leaving my heavy winter boots and down coat in the closet here {grin}

    Back to packing for me. Good luck tomorrow and while you're working away, just keep thinking forward to the warmer temps to come :)

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    Crazy weather everywhere (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 11:15:19 PM EST
    It is still pretty cold here in the mornings and the azaleas still have not bloomed yet.  They usually start at the end of February.  I did put some sweet pea out, figured I would be lucky to actually get a bloom though....it is just too hot here, cept I think I might actually get some blooms before enough heat gets here to kill them off.

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    yay! (none / 0) (#44)
    by CST on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 09:40:21 AM EST
    sorry for your suffering, but I've got one more ski adventure planned in VT.  Taking monday off to have some late-season discounted fun.  I was really hoping there would still be some snow.

    Does this mean there is some hope for more sugaring?  Or is it too late for that?

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    I haven't read him in a long time (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 11:20:26 PM EST
    Has TLF been phoning it in this much recently?

    On the policy side it was typical pabulum, (none / 0) (#34)
    by observed on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 07:06:11 AM EST
    but his idea about redistricting sounds reasonable.
    Friedman sure has a talent for stripping all the meat from an idea before he presents it, though.
    And where did he get his information on what the center wants?

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    It sounds reasonable (none / 0) (#35)
    by andgarden on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 07:32:52 AM EST
    until you actually know anything about the issue. He even manages to get the California example wrong.

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    Details? (none / 0) (#38)
    by observed on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 07:55:16 AM EST
    Their new panel (none / 0) (#39)
    by andgarden on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 08:01:28 AM EST
    doesn't cover congressional districts

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    My crush is on British (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 09:32:36 PM EST
    tenor Ian Bostridge, who is singing Shubert's song 0y0le "Die Winterreise" @ UCLA tomorrow night with Julius Drake pianist. Can't wait.

    How does he look in a cowboy hat? (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 09:50:18 PM EST
    Just kidding - enjoy! I'd love to be able to go see events like that at UCLA.

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    I was fortunate to hear him sing (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 09:59:24 PM EST
    Schubert songs about a year ago with the same pianist.  Bostridge didn't just stand as if glued to the curve in the piano.  He sang the songs as if he were the poet composing the lyrics.  Wonderful.

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    thanks for expanding my horizons (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by ruffian on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 09:32:53 AM EST
    I looked at some of the videos and I see what I have been missing. Can you recommend a CD of his? I've been noticing I listen to less and less music lately and think I may just be ready for something different than my usual fare.

    Charming performer as well. I'll look for him to come my way.

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    The only Bostridge CD I have is: (none / 0) (#53)
    by oculus on Thu Mar 25, 2010 at 01:28:00 PM EST
    Britten: Les Illuminations, Serenade for Tenor, Horn & Strings, Nocturne
    Ian Bostridge

    0724355804921
    724355804952 Digital
    EMI Classics

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    Pretty Sweet (none / 0) (#5)
    by squeaky on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 10:03:39 PM EST
    And the music couldn't be better, imo. What a treat, wish I was going.

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    Link (none / 0) (#6)
    by squeaky on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 10:08:06 PM EST
    What a terrible video. Awwwk. (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 10:19:23 PM EST
    Plus, it is shameful the pianist is not identified on the second clip.

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    OK (none / 0) (#12)
    by squeaky on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 10:53:24 PM EST
    The video did not bother me a bit. Of course I would rather him be singing in front of me rather listening to a recording of any quality. And he was mentioned. That is why I linked it.

    Franz Peter Schubert (1797-1828) "Erlkonig" Ian Bostridge, Tenor Julius Drake, Klavier text by by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. Wer reitet so spät durch Nacht und Wind? Es ist der Vater mit seinem ...  


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    I just went from one clip to the next--different (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 10:55:42 PM EST
    posting of Erlkoenig.

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    Oh (none / 0) (#15)
    by squeaky on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 11:01:53 PM EST
    Yeah, the balance in the youtube video of the erlKonig is terrible.

    That is why I provided a different youtube link, sound only.

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    The one I watched had a MTV-type (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 11:03:12 PM EST
    videa whilst Bostridge is singing.

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    Oh (none / 0) (#18)
    by squeaky on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 11:08:37 PM EST
    Not sure what that looks like as I do not have a teevee and have never seen MTV.

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    Do you know the Loewe Erlkonig? (none / 0) (#33)
    by observed on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 07:04:03 AM EST
    There's a wonderful recording of Hans Hotter singing it. I think it compares well with Schubert's Erlkonig. Also, if I'm not mistaken, they are both the opus 1 for each composer, and published very close to each other in time.

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    No. Surprised it hasn't aired on USC's (none / 0) (#42)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 09:34:33 AM EST
    opera program though as the guy in charge loves Hans Hotter.

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    Schubert's Erlkonig has got to be (none / 0) (#48)
    by observed on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 01:49:35 PM EST
    one of the least favorite of his songs for pianists, with those repeated octaves.
    It's riveting but not great Schubert, IMO.
    The Loewe recording I heard might have been from a concert. I heard it a LONG time ago, at a friend's place.

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    Not Great Schubert? (none / 0) (#49)
    by squeaky on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 02:36:17 PM EST
    Well I will agree that it is not a great piece, in the sense that it is short compared to the c major string quintet, but in any other sense to say that Der Erlkönig is not great is pretty eccentric, imo.

    Der Erlkönig is emblematic of Schubert. And maybe accompanists do not like the piece because it is difficult but any pianist who loves Schubert loves it, imo. Of course playing it on a forte piano is much easier than a modern day instrument as the key depth and weight was substantially lower.

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    You don't have to let me know that you (none / 0) (#50)
    by observed on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 02:53:52 PM EST
    disagree. I know if I had written that Erlkonig is his greatest song, you would also have demurred.
    Pianists do not enjoy playing it, for the obvious reason. It's not difficult so much as fatiguing.

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    Nonsense (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by squeaky on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 03:03:26 PM EST
    Schubert is one of my favorite composers, and am quite familiar with his oeuvre.

    Yeah, some pianists prefer Rachmaninoff, but there is no accounting for taste.

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    Schubert Deutsch NUmbers (none / 0) (#47)
    by squeaky on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 12:19:20 PM EST
    Are the ones commonly used as they chronologically list Schubert's works. Opus numbers are not used today.

    Fewer than 100 of Schubert's compositions received an Opus number during Schubert's life: about half of the Opus numbers are posthumous, and give no indication at all regarding a chronological --or any other-- order, except regarding the chronological order of publication. By the end of the 19th century no new opus numbers were added; for new publications the Deutsch number was used.

    Wiki

    Schubert wrote his first version Erlkonig when he was 18 in 1815 and fourth version in 1820, which bears the D 328. Schubert published it as his Opus 1 in 1821. Carl Loewe, who I had never heard of, wrote his version in 1818.  Other composers used Goethe's as well:

    Other notable settings are by members of Goethe's circle, including the actress Corona Schröter (1782), Andreas Romberg (1793), Johann Friedrich Reichardt (1794) and Carl Friedrich Zelter (1797). Beethoven attempted to set it to music but abandoned the effort; his sketch however was complete enough to be published in a completion by Reinhold Becker (1897). A few other nineteenth-century versions are those by Václav Tomášek (1815), Carl Loewe (1818) and Ludwig Spohr (1856, with obbligato violin). A 21st century example is Marc-André Hamelin's "Etude No. 8 (after Goethe)" for solo piano, based on the Erlkönig.[3]

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    I only know the Schubert version. If Loewe's version is interesting but not really comparable to Schubert, imo.  It is also interesting to note that Loewe did not know of Schubert's (earlier) version, yet the pieces are in the same key, g minor. Also of note is that in the original Danish folk tales that Goethe adapted (from a german translation) an elfgirl was the protagonist.

    Considering that the poem is about pedophelia, I wonder how it would be received if someone like, Elton John, or Peter Townsend would have adapted the text. Oh right, Schubert did not have a computer...lol

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    This discussion has reminded me of (none / 0) (#52)
    by observed on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 03:45:25 PM EST
    some wonderful songs and singers.
    Here's Laurence Tibbett singing
    Loewe's "Edward"The glorious voice of Tibbett

    I'd forgotten that I had studied that song, myself.

    My teacher was not that much younger than Tibbett (about 15 years, IIRC) and idolized him, as well as John Charles Thomas, who had a beautiful voice and was an amazing interpreter and musician to boot.
    Somewhere I have a a cassette of Thomas singing Lord Randall in concert. At the very end of the song, he is actually whispering the line ending with " for I'm sick to the heart and I fain would lie doon".
    It's clear as a bell and haunting.

    I just did a little googling and I think you may be able to get Thomas's Lord Randall on a disc.

    I know my teacher sang as a student for Thomas once. He told me a sad story about Tibbett, I think from a recital he attended.
    Tibbett was a heavy drinker and this affected his ability to sing, as you can imagine.
    Later in his career, he was unable to get through
    Schubert's Am Meer because of vocal problems.
    He did it again as an encore and succeeded.
    I  like the old style of Tibbett and Thomas.. so much beauty of tone, but very natural sounding as well.

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    Don't know about cowboy hat. Did see (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 10:20:53 PM EST
    him in a concert performance of Three Penny Opera as Mack the Knife, complete with really dark designer sunglasses.

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    Children with pre-existing conditions (none / 0) (#11)
    by MO Blue on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 10:51:48 PM EST
    can still be denied coverage until 2014 unless Obama can get a fix to legislation.

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration is scrambling to fix a potential problem with a much-touted benefit of its new health care law, a gap in coverage improvements for children in poor health, officials said Tuesday.

    Under the new law, insurance companies still would be able to refuse new coverage to children because of a pre-existing medical problem, said Karen Lightfoot, spokeswoman for the House Energy and Commerce Committee, one of the main congressional panels that wrote the bill President Barack Obama signed into law Tuesday.
    ...
    Full protection for children would not come until 2014, said Kate Cyrul, a spokeswoman for the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, another panel that authored the legislation. That's the same year when insurance companies could no longer deny coverage to any person on account of health problems. link



    Oops! (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by nycstray on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 10:58:13 PM EST
    I can't believe the "mistake" was an acc (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Dan the Man on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 01:40:24 AM EST
    ident.  Surely the Senate knows how to write a bill.  My guess is this is one of the perks somebody in Washington wanted to give to the health insurance industry, and we've only it found it now.

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    How did this happen? (none / 0) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 11:11:56 PM EST
    Jesus Christ.....they've already dressed the rider for this pony and now there is no pony?  Never was one?

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    And when they do implement it (none / 0) (#26)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 12:06:44 AM EST
    What will it cost the parents?

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    Uh Oh (none / 0) (#27)
    by squeaky on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 12:18:34 AM EST
    British government ministers - Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Foreign Secretary David Miliband and Home Secretary Alan Johnson - landed a heavy blow on Israel yesterday by expelling a diplomat from the Israeli embassy in London (who according to news reports was the head of the Mossad mission there). The minister condemned Israel and warned Britons of what may happen to their passports when they receive visas or encounter immigration officers. The move was coordinated with other countries - Germany, France, Ireland and possibly Australia - and may signal the start of an avalanche.

    This is a blow to Israeli arrogance on all levels. First, the promise made by Shimon Peres to Geoffrey Howe in 1987 that British passports would no longer be used for Israeli intelligence operations was apparently no longer in effect. William Hague, the foreign secretary in the conservatives' shadow government who may replace Miliband in two months if David Cameron wins the elections, is the one who reminded parliament about Peres' promise to Howe.

    Haaretz

    Shifting Sands (none / 0) (#28)
    by squeaky on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 12:30:26 AM EST
    The two-week-old dispute between Israel and the United States over housing construction in East Jerusalem has exposed the limits of American power to pressure Israeli leaders to make decisions they consider politically untenable. But the blowup also shows that the relationship between the two allies is changing, in ways that are unsettling for Israel's supporters.

    President Obama and his aides have cast the settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, not just the relationship with Israel, as a core U.S. national security interest. Gen. David H. Petraeus, the head of the military's Central Command, put it starkly in recent testimony on Capitol Hill: "The conflict foments anti-American sentiment due to a perception of U.S. favoritism toward Israel." His comments raised eyebrows in official Washington -- and overseas -- because they suggested that U.S. military officials were embracing the idea that failure to resolve the conflict had begun to imperil American lives.

    NYT

    I seriously doubt that Gen. Petreus would be saying those words if the GOP were still running this country... into the ground.

    Pretty shocking statement, imo.

    just please (none / 0) (#30)
    by cpinva on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 01:30:05 AM EST
    don't send the snow to va! i've had enough for one winter.

    Interesting poll (none / 0) (#36)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 07:40:31 AM EST
    Keeping it mind that it is way too early for this PPP poll to be meaningful, it does give an insight into November.

    It's really looking like a brutal year for Democrats in the Big Ten states.

    Barack Obama's approval numbers in the two places we polled this week- Wisconsin and Ohio- tell the story. He won Wisconsin by 14 points in 2008 but we find his approval there at a net -2 (46/48) for a 16 point drop since the election. It's a similar story in Ohio. He won there by four points in 2008 but our approval numbers there for him tomorrow will show him at -13 (40/53) for a drop of 17 points. If his national approval rating was falling the way it is in these two states he'd be at about 43/53 for the whole country.

    If the election was today Democrats would likely lose something they currently hold in every state where they have something to lose- Pennsylvania Governor and perhaps Senate, Michigan Governor, Ohio Governor, Indiana Senate, Iowa Governor, Wisconsin Governor and perhaps Senate, and Illinois Senate and/or Governor. Only Minnesota doesn't join the party because Democrats have nothing to lose there.



    I was polled for this one (none / 0) (#43)
    by Cream City on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 09:39:01 AM EST
    and agree that there is serious trouble in Wisconsin.  But I also have to say that it was yet another of those polls that frames the questions in ways that did not provide sufficient options for answers.  And some answers covered several options -- I will vote for neither of these guys or I will vote for someone else or I will not vote -- so the interpretation of the results is a bit simplistic.

    Again, though -- at least for my state, the poll correctly captures serious trouble in the gubernatorial race, for sure (blame the White House for meddling in it) and perhaps for Feingold.  Still waiting to see in that one whether the GOP challengers really are so or are just placeholders while the potential candidate is doing his Brett Favre imitation.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#45)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 09:47:44 AM EST
    And I can almost guarantee right here, right now, that Michigan will have a Republican governor come January.  Tow of the main contenders are Attorney General Mike Cox and Rep. Pete Hoekstra.  It will depend who comes out of the Republican primary, as there are several other well-known names. But with the economy and the highest unemployment rate in the nation, it would pretty much take a miracle to elect another Democrat there.

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    Has anyone heard the audio (none / 0) (#46)
    by samsguy18 on Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 10:34:28 AM EST
    Comment by John Dingell from Michigan.......
    Re-Obamacare eventually controlling the people
    ......I heard Jesse Jackson this morning state they will have to cut other social programs in order to manage healthcare costs.We desperately need Healthcare reform.....Why do I not feel good about this bill!!!