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A Progressive Victory?

Chris Bowers takes exception to my claim that progressive activists failed in the political bargaining of the health bills. Chris writes:

That entire line of "argument" is just demonstrably false, and either intellectually dishonest or blinded by egregious cynicism. Here are two huge public option concessions that ended up in the Senate bill as concessions to progressive activists and members of Congress 1. Four million additional Americans covered by Medicaid [. . .] 2. Twenty-five million additional Americans provided public health care[.]

Before unpacking Chris' factual claims, let me first say that if this is Chris' idea of "huge concessions," I think we have identified one of the major problems. In the scheme of things, if these two changes amount to "huge" concessions, then progressive activists should just pack it up. This was the largest Dem majority in Congress since LBJ. As I wrote in a post, Is That All There Is? But moving on to the accuracy of Chris' claims regarding the accomplishment, Chris writes:

Back in July, the health reform proposal in the House (PDF, p. 17) expanded Medicaid coverage by 11 million compared to current law. In an attempt to win over the 60 House Progressives who demanded a public option tied to Medicare rates, Speaker Pelosi increased the Medicaid coverage in the health reform proposal to 15 million more than current law. This was done entirely as a sweetner to Progressives, most of whom come from districts with a disproportionately large number of constituents who would be eligible for Medicaid expansion. Furthermore, even though it was accomplished through a slightly different policy means, that expansion of Medicaid to 15 million more people than current law remained in the Senate bill (CBO report, PDF, page 20)

What Chris is saying is that the concept of Medicaid expansion was NOT a concession to progressives, but increasing that expansion in the House bill was. And he has a link to a discussion of the final version of the House bill:

Expansion of Medicaid to 150% of FPL. All three versions of the bill passed by the committees over the summer would have expanded Medicaid to 133% of the Federal Poverty Level. Pelosi’s bill goes a step further and expands it to 150% of FPL, which is $33,075 in annual income for a family of four. This is being added as a sweetener to progressives, some of who are going to feel burned by the decision to go with the weaker public option plan.

Let's stop for a moment and absorb Chris' reasoning. Chris argues that because the House version of the health bill included a higher level of Medicaid expansion, progressives won a "huge concession." There is one little problem with Chris' formulation -- the Senate bill does not contain that "huge concession." Neither does the President's proposed fixes.

But Chris argues that this "huge concession" was "accomplished through a slightly different policy means, that expansion of Medicaid to 15 million more people than current law remained in the Senate bill (CBO report, PDF, page 20). Slightly different means Chris? Whatever do you mean? Let's look at Chris' link to the CBO report (PDF):

Starting in 2014, most nonelderly people with income below 133 percent of the FPL would be made eligible for Medicaid. [. . .] [T]here would be roughly 15 million more enrollees in Medicaid and CHIP than is projected under current law.

It's an amazing thing. I'm curious to see an explanation of how you can have the same level of enrollment in Medicaid at 133% of FPL as you do at 150% of FPL. More importantly, if Chris is right, then the "huge concession" of getting 150% of FPL in the House bill was entirely meaningless as that increases the number of insured under the Medicaid expansion NOT AT ALL according to the CBO. (For those who trust the CBO implicitly, you may want to consider this little piece of data.)

Let's consider the other huge concession won by progressives according to Chris (this one is on much more solid ground as it is in the Senate bill), Bernie Sanders' provision for $10 billion for community health centers (free clinics):

A $10 billion investment in community health centers, expected to go to $14 billion when Congress completes work on health care reform legislation, was included in a final series of changes to the Senate bill unveiled today. The provision, which would provide primary care for 25 million more Americans, was requested by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).

He said the additional resources will help bring about a revolution in primary health care in America and create new or expanded health centers in an additional 10,000 communities.

I'm glad Sanders was able to get this in the bill and $10 billion dollars (not going to be $14 billion as was in the House bill now) is nothing to sneeze at, but Sanders' hyperbole (as well as Chris') about providing health care to 25 million Americans is, well, absurd. Let's do the math - $10 billion equals $1 billion per year for 25 million Americans. That translates into an expenditure of $40 per year per covered individual. I guess that is providing some little bit of health care to 25 million Americans, but Chris' extravagant claim is just plain ridiculous.

It is a nice provision, but if it is all you have to brag about, and it is, at the end of the health care bargain, then you failed.

This is no slight to the efforts of all the people who did a lot more than me (not hard considering I did precisely nothing) to push for progressive health care reform. But if you can not recognize your failures, then you can never learn from them and you can never improve in your future efforts.

Chris Bowers, a staunch progressive activist, who put his heart and soul into this effort, along with millions of others, was part of that failure.

I can understand the resentment he feels when he hears people in the peanut gallery (namely me) state that their efforts were a failure. But that does not change the fact that it was indeed a failure.

And guess what, we have not even gotten to see what will be done for Stupak. It gets worse from here. Not better.

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    When (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 07:47:51 AM EST
    you write posts like this I can see why you're such a good lawyer.

    Yesteday, someone wrote that being a progressive is just a class and not about issues. It seems people like Bowers have the same disease that affects the Sally Quinns of the world.

    If these are the "leaders" of the "progressive movement" then the movement might as well close up shop right now.

    I want to illustrate (5.00 / 6) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 07:59:02 AM EST
    the idea of bargaining as I perceive it and I will give a real life example.

    I had a client corp. who was involved in a commercial dispute with another corp.

    When the bargaining started, they offered 100k and I offered, on behalf of my client, to accept 500k.

    Not shockingly, the matter settled at 300k. This was fairly pedestrian bargaining, as neither party really wanted to have the fight and the numbers were small so that the disincentives to litigation were strong.

    But the concept is clear. Now, if I had ended up the bargaining at $110,000, given the circumstances, then I would have done a lousy job of bargaining.

    But not every bargaining situation is the same. The health debate was complex and the bargaining power was with those willing to blow up the bill.

    But not ALL the bargainers across the table from progressives wanted to blow up the bill. Some in fact were desperate to pass it (the White House.)

    The progressives could have done much better imo.

    Heck BTD (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 08:22:06 AM EST
    if you were a progressive you would have started the bargaining at $110,000.

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    I disagree. (none / 0) (#51)
    by Michael in Ohio on Sun Mar 07, 2010 at 05:46:54 PM EST
    The clowns pretending to lead progressives are by no means progressives.  If they were, they'd have gotten a bunch of agenda items made into law by now.  The list would be too long to fully post.

    No, what we're dealing with are pseudo-progressives.

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    Because liberals refuse to do the hard work (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by andgarden on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 08:37:06 AM EST
    of shifting the public definition of what a "reasonable offer" might be, they are stuck negotiating against themselves.

    It's a really sorry state of affairs.

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    Good point (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 08:41:27 AM EST
    One big difference between political bargaining and business bargaining is the need to shape perceptions in the public.

    An interesting comparison can be made to the NFL Players Association which is going to commence perhaps its most important negoatiations with the NFL in 20 years.

    I need to get up to speed on it and write about it at SportsLeft, but the big stick for the NFLPA is whether or not they accept a salary cap.

    Now that is clearly a nonengotiable for the owners in that they will lock out if there is no agreement on that, but lock out is a huge deal and the NFLPA can get a lot for that concession.

    This week the NFLPA announced publically it will never accept a salary cap.

    The beginning of defining the public debate.

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    It requires giving up the pretense (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by andgarden on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 08:47:07 AM EST
    that all Democrats, including the President, are on the same side.

    And that makes some people deeply uncomfortable, as we have often seen.

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    One of those rabid sports radio talk (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 11:05:17 AM EST
    guys said yesterday there won't be a cap this year in NFL.  

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    this is the capless year (none / 0) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 11:09:18 AM EST
    because the CBA expired.

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    yeah (5.00 / 4) (#6)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 08:41:07 AM EST
    "But not every bargaining situation is the same. The health debate was complex and the bargaining power was with those willing to blow up the bill."

    Those willing to walk away are always in a better position.

    I actually think the problem is that the Progressives never thought of themselves as being in a true negotiation with the Democrats as a whole and never acknowledged that the only TRUE negotiations were taking place among themselves - that the Republicans didn't matter.  

    To use a non litigation example, it was like a party with capital joining an investor group and thinking that the true negotiations were with the target company when the target was going to get acquired one way or the other.  What they should have been concerned with was negotiating their own positions within the buyer group.  But for some very odd reason they were too afraid they would get kicked out of the group if they raised too many issues.  They never realized that their contribution was essential to getting the deal done.  That if they threatened to blow up the deal they could strike fear into the hearts of the other investors who needed to go back and report that this deal was DONE.  Where the target could bluster all it wanted but every analysis showed the deal would get done one way or the other - easy or ugly, it was going to happen.

    And now, after the deal is complete, our heroes  congratulate themselves that a successful deal was done even though they will make less out of it than they could have if they had negotiated more strongly with their own side.  

    It's actually a fairly typical reaction.  

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    Very interesting (none / 0) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 08:42:21 AM EST
    I want to think about your comment.

    I think there is a post in that.

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    Unions came closest (none / 0) (#16)
    by Salo on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 10:09:15 AM EST
    To realizing their bargaining power. Even they fell short here.

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    those willing to blow up the bill = power (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by kempis on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 09:48:36 AM EST
    The health debate was complex and the bargaining power was with those willing to blow up the bill.

    I'll confess a lot of ignorance, but that sounds right to me. And that has been the source of my frustration with this White House.

    From the get-go, the White House made statements through the press that Obama wanted a bill, any bill, a bipartisan bill. The goal was to get 60 votes on board. That approach immediately assigned power to Lieberman and the Blue Dogs. Those were the ones who needed to be wooed--with concessions and sweeteners. The result was a pathetic excuse for HCR--a mandate without PO and probably with insufficient subsidies for the middle class folks mandated into purchasing insurance--and having a new expense when many are living month-to-month, who will be ripe for the picking for the GOP as a result.

    Had the White House signaled from the beginning that this was a bill to help the middle class have access to affordable, reliable health care and that it was willing to go all the way to the mat to avoid concessions that would weaken this goal, then Lieberman and those same Blue Dogs would have had less power from the outset. If they thought the winners were the ones who voted with the White House and the progressive Dems, we would have had a different bill. It would likely have gone to reconciliation, but we're there anyway--and with the bargaining power STILL with the conservadems.

    It just seems like a stupid way to try to make policy in a hyperpartisan Congress.

    Once this HCR mess is resolved--dissatisfactorily to many--it will be interesting to see if Obama and his administration have learned anything from it. So far, looking at consumer protections and military trials, nope. And that may be an even bigger tragedy.

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    Most of the online opinionists ... (none / 0) (#11)
    by Salo on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 09:02:59 AM EST
    ... Who are considered "progressive" were bought and paid for by Obamas campaign at a certain point. Or they were frightened of offending him. So this is what we got. The Senate Bill being perfectly acceptable to Obama.

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    How long did it take to arrive at $300,000? (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 11:14:26 AM EST
    About a month (none / 0) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 11:22:12 AM EST
    Congratulations (none / 0) (#26)
    by jbindc on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 12:08:36 PM EST
    You passed Negotiation 101 along the line somewhere.

    It's a shame, however, that so many of our Democratic lawmakers (many of whom went to business and law school, especially) apparently did not pass Negotiation 101, nor even attend class it seems.

    You should run for office. Seriously.

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    At this point, I really wonder (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by joanneleon on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 12:32:52 PM EST
    whether they are naive, poor negotiators, spineless, etc. or whether a significant number of them are playing to lose from the start.  What they say they are standing for and what they really are standing for (and what they will settle for) are two entirely different things.

    The other thing that's killing us is the idea incrementalism is a wise and necessary strategy.  In today's politics, incrementalism isn't the way to go.  When you have a wave of popularity and a huge momentum, you do big things.  That's how it works today.

    When things are moving along fairly normally in the world, incrementalism makes sense.  In a crisis, or multiple freaking crises, you make radical changes.  I thought this president understood that.  The only radical change I've seen is the change that happened to the campaign guy when he stepped across the threshold of the White House door.

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    when they're incompetent, NOT sold out, (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by seabos84 on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 10:50:44 PM EST
    I've wondered for a lot of years if isn't rooted in the professional / managerial leafy neighborhood background of so many senior position dems.

    their paths to success have been better SAT and ACT and LSAT and GRE scores, better grad schools, fortune 1000 jobs or big government, bigger credentials ...

    they were never confronted with being a scab for a trucking company to pay bills, or, puncturing scab tires to enforce a strike.

    while it is great that so many get to live so far from brutal realities, they do NOT know how to fight what is happening out there to us peee-ons, 1 crappy rule, 1 crappy regulation, 1 crappy law at time. And, even for us peee-ons, we're not in some depression era brutality, hence too many peeons are still watching American Survivor instead of camping in front of the boss scum's mansion.

    rmm.

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    I think you're right. So why are the (none / 0) (#48)
    by observed on Sun Mar 07, 2010 at 08:56:30 AM EST
    Republicans more competent at negotiation tactics in Congress?

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    Maybe you shouldn't be in the peanut gallery (none / 0) (#36)
    by magster on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 02:49:00 PM EST
    That's how adults bargain. (none / 0) (#50)
    by Michael in Ohio on Sun Mar 07, 2010 at 05:43:59 PM EST
    Unfortunately, what passes for the progressive movement in this country is not led by adults.  The poor leadership by access-bloggers such as Bowers on vital issues has resulted in a progressive movement that is even weaker today than it was three years ago.  We're moving backward.

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    Who is going to be able to buy (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 08:16:20 AM EST
    insurance in this economy?  Everyday right now, what is "affordable" becomes a different figure.  Only my opinion, but what financially challenged people gain with this bill will be essentially worthless when it is finally enacted in the current economic reality if financial regulation isn't done NOW.  

    The first failure was the label: progressive (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Salo on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 08:58:11 AM EST
    It's essentially meaningless. It's like calling yourself the Jellyfish party, no large group of people can agree to what it means in terms of policy.  

    Exactly (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 09:08:59 AM EST
    IMO the failures are a lot deeper than just this latest episode. This goes back to

    1. the unfortunate consequences of winning by default.

    And:

    2. the cult of personality politics

    and lastly:

    3. the Obama president campaigns failure to unite voters aroudn a central governing idea and policy prescriptions. Just "not Bush" isn't enough.


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    No more ambiguous (none / 0) (#24)
    by Politalkix on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 11:52:09 AM EST
    than the label "conservatives"
    Are conservatives for or against
    (1) overhaul of immigration policy
    (2) bailout of banks, socialism for the rich
    (3) getting engaged in wars in other countries (remember Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan supporters, remember GWB claimed to stand for a humbler foreign policy in 2000, Republicans were against the war in Kosovo)
    (4) globalization and free trade


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    Conservative is relatively easy to define. (none / 0) (#47)
    by Salo on Sun Mar 07, 2010 at 12:21:31 AM EST
    Whether a Republican actually follows any principles is a separate question.

    Harsh penal code, belligerant nationalism, authoritarian social status quo.

    Easy.

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    I'm glad someone is saying it (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by joanneleon on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 11:54:37 AM EST
    It's not a very popular thing to say in some parts of the blogosphere, but it's the cold, hard truth.

    I can't decide whether it's an embarrassing failure or whether we have really hit an insurmountable hurdle with the current members of the Democratic party.

    Given that there were so many people behind the Progressive Caucus, and even more potentially behind them if they had organized (or if the established, funded grassroots organizations had really organized), I lean toward "embarrassing failure".  This caucus was not willing to use the strong, deep anger at the insurance companies, the health care industry and the status quo.  Instead, my impression is that they tried to keep us at bay.  

    And I've really, really had it with the apologism and propaganda I see coming from so called progressives and liberals.  I can't tolerate it anymore.

    IMO Obama got the bill (5.00 / 4) (#35)
    by MO Blue on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 01:37:57 PM EST
    he wanted in the Senate's version. Public option and cheaper drugs were bargined away early in the process.  

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    Misses the grand Daddy of all failures (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by pluege on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 12:18:18 PM EST
    none of those measures (medicaid, free, clincs, and others) do a damn thing to address the heart of the problem: unchecked insurance companies. So no matter how much lipstick they drench the pig in, it will never mask that bowers, klein, and other so-called progressives, along with their fellow congressional flops failed at the key measure needed to have progressive healthcare.

    The old saying is completely apt for the bill, whichever version gets passed:

    "you can't polish a turd"

    bowers and his fellow blind cheerleaders failed miserably.

    Insurance problems aren't the (none / 0) (#30)
    by observed on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 12:28:31 PM EST
    core of the problem, which is that modern medicine is very expensive!


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    Completely correct (none / 0) (#39)
    by BTAL on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 04:45:27 PM EST
    This is where the entire reform effort went off the rails, regardless if you are on the left of the aisle or the right.

    The core problem cannot be addressed with health care INSURANCE reform.  For those of us on the right side of the aisle, there is a very strong adversity to govt run (single payer) HC.  However, we will also gladly join any effort focused on the core problem and the insurance problem.

    The Obama pivot to health care INSURANCE reform was a major eye opener for us.  We weren't happy with what was offered but immediately realized he just caved on what he promised to his base during the campaign.

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    The exclusion of single payer from the beginning (5.00 / 6) (#34)
    by lambert on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 01:05:28 PM EST
    1. Showed the fundamental dishonesty of the entire career "progressive" access blogging project, including Bower's work. Hardly covering single payer, even at the most minimal level of covering interesting stories (like the arrest of the Baucus 8) simply is not compatible with an assumption of "staunch" good faith. It's not surprising that the policy outcome was bad. One might also note that:

    2. "Medicare for All" would have provided exactly the strong initial bargaining position that would help bargaining experts like BTD get the best deal.  (And phasing in Medicare for All by age cohort, like the original Kennedy bill did, would have been a fine compromise position.)

    3. Funny how the career "progressives" shilling for the expanded coverage in the bill never mention the word "Medicaid." Medicaid is means-tested, which means that all the bill does is move the opportunity to lose your house and your assets before getting medical care up the income ladder. Medicaid is also administered at the state level, meaning that the coverage is wildly various, and also dependent on governments facing terrible fiscal pressures. A truly progressive policy would at least nationalize Medicaid, and relieve the pressure on the states. A better approach would be to expand Medicare, which treats health care as a right, instead of expanding a welfare program. But no. All we get is "progressive" shilling.


    I wouldn't even need to go that far (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Catesby on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 08:56:41 PM EST
    Chris Bowers stated
    Here are two huge public option concessions

    How can you describe anything as 'public' if it is limited to a segment of the population?

    Public parts for seniors only?  Public libraries only for people of a certain income?

    We have had no public option concessions at all.

    It seems to me that a part of Chris Bower's (none / 0) (#13)
    by KeysDan on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 09:36:01 AM EST
    misplaced chest beating is grounded in his statement that " community health centers would provide primary care for 25 million  more Americans."  More accurate, but less inclusive, would be that these centers will provide ACCESS to primary care. Opportunities that do not currently exist for access will be increased especially in rural and under-served areas.  Those patients without addresses, for example, will benefit significantly by bringing health care to them and facilitating entry to the heath care system.   However, in my view, providing care at these heath care centers will necessitate broad eligibility for coverage along with the dignity that comes with it.  

    If more money can go to (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by Anne on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 11:32:54 AM EST
    places like this, it will be money well spent:

    Health Care for the Homeless

    Agency Snapshot

    Health Care for the Homeless (HCH) was established in Baltimore in 1985 and is a nationally-recognized model for the delivery of care to underserved populations.

    *HCH services are comprehensive. We offer pediatric, adult, and geriatric medical care, mental health services, social work and case management, addiction treatment, dental care, HIV services, outreach, prison re-entry services, supportive housing, and access to education and employment.*HCH integrates direct service and advocacy. HCH uses our direct service experience to educate the broader community about homelessness and health and to advocate on local, state, and national levels toward public policies capable of ending homelessness.

    *HCH is accredited for quality. Since 2000, HCH is voluntarily accredited by the Joint Commission (formerly the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations) - a sign of our commitment to performance improvement and high-quality care.

    *HCH delivers services throughout Maryland. In addition to the resources available at our Baltimore City headquarters, HCH also funds the delivery of services in the City of Frederick, and in Montgomery, Harford, and Baltimore counties.

    *Supportive groups foster client independence and leadership. HCH hosts a series of client groups on a range of subjects including men's and women's support, addiction treatment, dual diagnosis, diabetes management, acupuncture, yoga, advocacy, writing, and art.

    *HCH Board and staff fulfill our mission. The HCH mission is guided by a diverse 36-member Board of Directors and implemented by a dedicated and interdisciplinary staff of 120.

    *HCH by the numbers: In Baltimore HCH serves more than 6,000 individuals during more than 54,000 patient visits annually. Statewide, HCH serves 12,000 individuals during at least 74,000 visits. (This is a fraction of the 30,000 Baltimoreans and 50,000 Marylanders thought to experience homelessness each year.) Approximately 75% of HCH clients are uninsured.

    *The need for HCH services is increasing. During these difficult economic times, HCH faces increased demand for services. In the most recent two-year period, the number of clients seeking our services for the very first time increased by more than 10%.

    *A future without homelessness starts here. In January 2010, HCH will occupy a new clinic and headquarters at 421 Fallsway in downtown Baltimore. The environmentally-friendly building will permit the expansion of existing services while also incorporating a pediatric clinic, an onsite pharmacy, case management offices for our innovative Housing First initiatives, and Maryland's first dental program for homeless children and adults.

    But...money for the expansion and creation of health centers like this could have been provided separate and apart from any other legislation; it should not be seen as "sweetening" anything.

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    Exactly (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by lambert on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 12:51:44 PM EST
    Millions shouldn't be forced to buy junk insurance to get these clinics. Why was that tradeoff forced on us?

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    It's going to largely depend on locality (none / 0) (#14)
    by cawaltz on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 09:41:27 AM EST
    who actually gets care at those centers. We have a free clinic in my area. If you have ANY kind of insurance, even high deductible cost prohibitive you don't qualify for care. In my area what may happen since all but the poorest of poor who will get exempt status will be required to carry insurance is that the free clinics will be underutilized. Without stipulations on these clinics I am doubtful that they are that big of a boon.

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    Sanders's expansion (none / 0) (#17)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 10:39:46 AM EST
    is of a particular kind of health clinic, as i understand it, that provides services on a sliding scale, starting with flat-out free, and then small cash fees for those with a little income, on up to ordinary rates of fee-for-service for those with good insurance.  We have a number of those in my state.  There's a name for them, but it totally escapes me at the moment.

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    Community Health Centers (none / 0) (#18)
    by bartlebee on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 10:51:40 AM EST
    Er, no (none / 0) (#37)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 03:53:31 PM EST
    the term I was trying to come up with is "Federally Qualified Health Centers."

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    thanks (none / 0) (#38)
    by bartlebee on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 04:41:33 PM EST
    we certainly failed (none / 0) (#27)
    by desmoinesdem on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 12:10:18 PM EST
    No question about it, and I was a part of that failure. I don't know how we could have achieved more, though, given that the White House always wanted something close to the Senate bill.

    As you say, power was with the people willing to blow up the bill. I don't think it would have been a tenable position for progressives to focus on killing the bill from the beginning. There was plenty of reason to suspect that Obama wouldn't go to the mat to fight for a good bill, but we didn't have proof of that until the summer and early fall.

    The best negotiating stance for progressives would have been to lay down conditions for supporting the bill, which we tried to do (by getting House Democrats to say they wouldn't vote for a bill without a public option). Then just about all the Democrats in Congress folded on us.

    I don't know what progressive activists outside Congress should have done differently, other than not getting involved or getting our hopes up at all.

    Sometimes failure is inevitable (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 12:15:28 PM EST
    My point now is that progressive activists should acknowledge that failure and stand apart from the bill. It is not a progressive's bill.

    Pols will do what they have to do. But activists are not pols.

    Let the pols round up their votes and let them own their bill. Including whatever they intend to do for Stupak.

    But I suggest to progressive activists that they sit out the last rounds of this.

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    Do you stand apart (none / 0) (#40)
    by BTAL on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 04:48:28 PM EST
    passively or aggressively?

    Silence gives consent.

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    I don't understand - NOTHING stands (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by seabos84 on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 10:59:25 PM EST
    by itself - find stuff that the others care about

    figure out how to COMPLETELY f'k it up,

    and go after them.

    they got MORE money than we have,
    they got MORE toys than we have,
    they care about their money and toys MORE than we do,

    take their stuff away.

    I've thought for a long time that they were just too incompetent politically to win - after this year, it is OBVIOUS that they're very good at staying in charge and selling us out.

    time to take away their jobs.

    rmm.

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    The new Medicaid donut hole? (none / 0) (#32)
    by ruffian on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 12:33:12 PM EST
    It's an amazing thing. I'm curious to see an explanation of how you can have the same level of enrollment in Medicaid at 133% of FPL as you do at 150% of FPL.

    With the middle class shrinking, and the gap between rich and poor widening, it would not surprise me if you can go up to 200% of FPL and not get much of an increase in enrollment from 133%.  Between 200 and 500% you could pick up what is left of the middle class. That would be a real expansion - and probably pretty close to a public option for those not in the top 5% of wage earners ($153k and above).

    just to be factual (none / 0) (#41)
    by dday on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 07:27:42 PM EST
    It'll be $11 billion for community health centers.  The President's white paper proposal for reconciliation kicked in another billion on top of the Senate bill.

    And let me just say, without being hyperbolic, that community health centers are a huge deal and easily the best money spent in the bill.  It's not single payer, it's actually socialized medicine - a universal care network for low-income Americans.  The plan is to link the CHCs with medical homes - care that is based on a person's needs and not per-procedure spending.  It actually has the potential to be revolutionary.

    Again, just to be factual.

    Call it a pilot program then (none / 0) (#42)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 07:46:48 PM EST
    if we want to be factual and all.

    Honestly, $11 billion over 10 years ain't gonna deliver health care to 24 million people.

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    that funding comes in (none / 0) (#52)
    by dday on Mon Mar 08, 2010 at 10:13:33 AM EST
    over 5 years IIRC.

    How is it a pilot program?  There are CHCs now and this boosts funding for them.

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    IIRC the House version had $14 billion (none / 0) (#46)
    by MO Blue on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 11:30:34 PM EST
    So Obama chose the cheaper Senate version.

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    1.) Start off asking for too little.

    2.) Signal willingness to negotiate down even after having started near the bottom to begin with.

    3.) Belittle, threaten, mock, talk down to, bully, and ban anyone who raises criticism -- even and especially when that criticism is justified and presented in a substantive, well laid out, and well thought out manner.  Alienate progressives at every turn so they turn away.  Lie to people at every opportunity in the face of criticism.

    4.) Engage in pointless and distracting side crusades, such as promoting the end of the filibuster, so that progressive resources that could be going to push for stronger legislation instead are wasted on these futile battles.

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