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    late night (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by CST on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 08:37:40 AM EST
    for Boston sports teams, but we won both the sox game and one heck of a nail biter in the hockey playoffs, both in overtime.

    Rask had some insane saves last night.

    I never really used to watch much hockey but with HD tvs it's become so much better.  I could never find the puck before and therefore could not really follow the game.  Now I realize it's like indoor soccer, on skates, plus boxing.

    Fully agree (none / 0) (#21)
    by Raskolnikov on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 02:33:23 PM EST
    About the HD thing, and I've noticed too that hockey has risen in popularity in the last few years where I live.  It's a great sport to watch, if you can see the puck, and the high quality lets you appreciate the finesse and puck control these guys have.  

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    More TV crews know how to cover the action now (none / 0) (#62)
    by Ellie on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 06:01:51 PM EST
    It helps to have a deeper pool of media pros who know the game better, and can anticipate (at a lightning pace) where the puck's going to be.  

    Even when I was a kid I noticed a huge excitement gap between the older and expansion teams, the latter often defaulting to a baffling overhead shot while the TV people got their bearings.

    It always looked like tabletop hockey. Fun fact: the players from our family tabletop game -- Leafs vs Habs -- had culturally stereotypical dumb hairstyles. The Anglo Leafs all had Flat-Top Crewcuts from squaresville while the cooler Frenchy Pants from Montreal sported the fluffed out hair, 'staches and 'burns that wouldn't have looked out of place on a team called The Funky Narcs.

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    Wellpoint targeting breast cancer patients (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 09:30:06 AM EST
    Absolutely horrific story here about Wellpoint specifically targeting women with a diagnosis of breast cancer to investigate and canceling their insurance on the faintest of pretexts (in one woman's case, because she had failed to mention she'd been exposed to, but had not contracted, hepatitis as a child, another because she had osteoporosis-- neither one of which has the slighest relationship to breast cancer).

    Bastards... (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 10:43:19 AM EST
    a boycott of Wellpoint is in order....they need to be put out of business.

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    About Politico (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by ruffian on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 10:54:59 AM EST
    good commentary on the upcoming NYT profile of Mike Allen over at Salon.

    People don't trust the government because they don't think political elites listen to them. Meanwhile, a celebrated new publication discovers fantastic success by showing just how much political elites listen to each other.

    It's hard not to come away from the profile of Allen thinking that there's a bipartisan quasi-conspiracy to run the country without regard for popular input, and that Allen and Politico both embody and facilitate it.

    Amen.

    I just slogged thru NYT's story on Politico (none / 0) (#61)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 05:47:14 PM EST
    and Mike Allen,  The Man the White House Wakes Up To, and on the whole, it is an 11 page praise poem, fluffing Politico and "Mikey" in a jaw-droppingly, gag-worthy way.

    Buried, on the 4th page, the author, Mark Leibovich, finally gets around to disclosing his pro-Politico/Mike Allen 'conflict of interest', although he doesn't call it that:

    I have known Mike Allen for more than a decade. We worked together at The Washington Post...We all have the same friends and run into each other a lot, and I have told them how much I admire what they have achieved at Politico. I like them all. In other words, I write this from within the tangled web of "the community." I read Playbook every morning on my BlackBerry...When Allen links to my stories, I see a happy uptick in readership. I have also been a story source [for Allen]...

    Buried, on the 10th page (added emphasis here and below), Leibovich uncritically 'discloses, that "Mikey's' father was a vaunted mouthpiece for the John Birch Society:

    Gary Allen was an icon of the far right in the 1960s and 1970s. He was affiliated with the John Birch Society...and he wrote speeches for George Wallace, the segregationist governor of Alabama and presidential candidate. He wrote mail-order books and pamphlets distributed through a John Birch mailing list...Allen had described his upbringing to me as nonpolitical. And maybe it was.

    I look forward to hearing from Greenwald, who has long-characterized Politico as a "GOP Shill".


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    You have a stronger stomach thsn I (none / 0) (#66)
    by ruffian on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 09:46:43 PM EST
    Those are some real nuggets you pull out there. What a fluff job.

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    Thankx. Sorry I didn't reply sooner... (none / 0) (#68)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 10:06:10 PM EST
    I've been throwing up.

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    I found the perfect spot... (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 01:34:15 PM EST
    for the Talkleft Convention...lets book our arses into the Normandie!

    I'm In (none / 0) (#17)
    by squeaky on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 01:45:30 PM EST
    My man... (none / 0) (#18)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 01:53:39 PM EST
    we can recruit for our militia!

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    Bong Brigade (none / 0) (#19)
    by squeaky on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 01:57:25 PM EST
    Sore subject... (none / 0) (#20)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 02:30:45 PM EST
    we suffered a great loss in my household recently...my imitation Roor is no more...shattered:(

    Gotta get out to the head shop once I get some disposable scratch together...no degenerate household should be without a quality bong as a coffee table centerpiece.

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    Agreed (none / 0) (#22)
    by Raskolnikov on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 02:37:38 PM EST
    Our house went through three RooR's over the year...very sad.  One customized to the nth degree and cost about $900.  But my god are they well designed.  Anymore you can get glass on glass sliders and females and ash catchers and double percolated water pipes and all that good stuff without the inflated price tag, but praise Germany for their crafty stoner engineers.

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    Demonstrably (none / 0) (#23)
    by Raskolnikov on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 02:38:21 PM EST
    Not designed to not break.  In that regard they're awful haha

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    It is the creme de la creme... (none / 0) (#24)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 02:43:25 PM EST
    of smoking apparatus, amen friend...so sorry to hear about your customized jam, musta been a real beauty.

    Once you go glass on glass seals, ya can never go back to the o-ring or carb nonsense.

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    MIne Too (none / 0) (#32)
    by squeaky on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 03:40:39 PM EST
    Although it was a gift, so I do not know what brand.. but with a little ingenuity and a pickle jar it is does the trick..

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    I'm down with the customized Coke can. (none / 0) (#47)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 04:35:43 PM EST
    (Seriously.)

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    when is a warning a threat (none / 0) (#3)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 09:47:41 AM EST
    When is a prediction not a warning? (none / 0) (#6)
    by ruffian on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 10:46:35 AM EST
    Any way you look at it, people is crazy.

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    Short, but nice, (none / 0) (#5)
    by desertswine on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 10:45:55 AM EST
    interview with "terrorist lawyer" Nancy Hollander.

    Got my renewed passport in the mail yesterday (none / 0) (#7)
    by andgarden on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 10:50:38 AM EST
    I'm always antsy when I don't have one.

    I think the new design is pretty cool--if a bit busy.

    Don't forget to microwave it... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 10:58:33 AM EST
    or smash that RFID chip AG:)

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    heh (none / 0) (#12)
    by andgarden on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 11:07:33 AM EST
    I will politely ignore your suggestion to mutilate U.S. Government property!

    In any case, I like the potential convenience factor of the chip. Anyway, if anyone wanted it, it would be far easier to track my cell phone.

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    Tin Foil (none / 0) (#13)
    by squeaky on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 11:24:49 AM EST
    Really, for real this time, lol

    It is simple to clone your rfid chip with a inexpensive portable piece of equipment. Once cloned you can become a victim of identity theft:

    To protect yourself, consider the following precautions:

    If you have one of the new DHS "passport cards" or a driver's license with an RFID chip, keep the card wrapped in foil except when you need to present it at a border crossing.  That makes it less vulnerable to remote cloning.
    Also, when you check into a hotel, rent a vehicle, or carry out any other transaction abroad that requires you to present your passport, try not to let it out of your sight.

    link

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    Yes, I read about that (none / 0) (#35)
    by Zorba on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 03:50:46 PM EST
    Mr. Zorba thinks I'm nuts because I wrap aluminum foil around my passport whenever I carry it, ever since I got it renewed last year (but then, his doesn't come up for renewal for another 4 years, so he doesn't have a chip in his).  You can also buy RFID-blocking passport wallets now.

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    Every few years I arrange to 'lose' (none / 0) (#49)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 04:39:56 PM EST
    my passport. IOW, my travel records aren't conveniently there, at a glance, into perpetuity.

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    Ed Rendell (none / 0) (#8)
    by andgarden on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 10:54:44 AM EST
    We have to give our base a reason to get out there, a reason to feel proud of who we are and what we stood for as a party. . .And I don't think up to now we've done a very effective job in doing it.


    Very telling.... (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 10:59:36 AM EST
    Ed used the past tense "stood", instead of stand.

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    I think it's a problem (none / 0) (#14)
    by lilburro on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 12:05:24 PM EST
    in part because no one has any idea what Democrats are doing.  Everything's been about bipartisanship for the sake of it and no one seems to bother about taking credit for any particular idea.

    Apparently Obama's Cooper Union speech was all about getting the support of the banks.  What a political winner.

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    'We're not trying to freak you out' (none / 0) (#15)
    by ruffian on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 12:17:00 PM EST
    is not a great party motto

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    Rahm (none / 0) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 02:59:49 PM EST
    on Charlie Rose.  the grin after is the best.

    cant help liking the guy.


    He reminds me of (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by jondee on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 03:07:14 PM EST
    one of the characters from Glengarry Glen Ross, or any number of other things written by David Mamet (in his more fruitful pre-rw nutcase period).

    I get the feeling he'd be hell to work for..though Im sure he's a man who knows how to "get things done"..

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    G.G.R.... (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 03:19:04 PM EST
    Never seen it on stage, but what a film.

    "Patel"? F*ck you. F*cking Shiva handed this guy a million dollars, told him "Sign the deal!" he wouldn't sign. And the god Vishnu too, into the bargain. F*ck you, John! You know your business, I know mine. Your business is being an a*hole. I find out whose f*cking cousin you are, I'm going to go to him and figure out a way to have your a* - f*ck you!

    Has there ever been a more realistic portrayal of a shady sales office?


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    hey (none / 0) (#31)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 03:34:36 PM EST
    ever see the Jersey Teardrop?

    I cant decide if I love it or hate it.  but its definitely one or the other.

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    Nah... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 03:44:03 PM EST
    never even heard of it...by the pics it looks like a pretty cool gift...Thanks Russia.

    Now a question for you my good man...did that synthetic sh*t ever show up, and if yes what did ya think?

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    it was very interesting (none / 0) (#37)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 03:55:51 PM EST
    and as of a few days ago when I bought papers it was still available even here in ILL where it was supposed to be banned by now.  not exactly sure why.

    as to quality.  it was pretty damn good.  also not cheap.  it is at least as much if not more than premium grade herb.  my friend at the head shop said even if some of it is make illegal there is some kinds that will not be.  (think containing jello with rubber bands).  some kinds, the ones sold as "incense" will not be illegal.  and based on my experiments it is actually the better of the kinds available.
    PS:  dont be afraid of the "flavors".  everything from strawberry to french vanilla.  there is no flavor.  its all exactly the same stuff in the packages not sold as incense and I could discern no difference in "flavor" or "smell".

    on the whole if you took that buzz and bestowed it on someone magically I think they would be hard pressed to tell it was not a pot high.
    of course there is the whole smoking thing. it doesnt really smell or taste like pot.

    and as I am sure you know that is a large part of it.  

    I say try it.
     

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    about the teardrop (none / 0) (#55)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 05:22:37 PM EST
    I guess.  I found it on a list of The World's Ugliest Statues

    where it says this about it:

    In 2004, Tsereteli built a 10-story  monument to the victims of the September 11 attacks, consisting of a titanium teardrop encased in bronze that continually drips water. The structure, intended as a gift from Russia to the United States, was at first gratefully accepted by the local government of Jersey City, but then rejected once city officials actually saw it. It was eventually unveiled in nearby Bayonne, and widely panned by locals, with one 9/11 survivor describing it as "'a cross between a scar and a female sexual organ."


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    Damn... (none / 0) (#69)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 23, 2010 at 07:54:35 AM EST
    talk about ungrateful...anybody over in Jersey ever hear "it is the thought that counts?".

    Thanks for the synthetic report...if I should come across some I'll give it a shot, but I don't think I'll search it out...as you said, flavor is big with me.

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    Tooting his own horn again, huh? :-D n/t (none / 0) (#63)
    by Ellie on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 06:07:44 PM EST
    HIR penalty estimates (none / 0) (#26)
    by jbindc on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 03:03:33 PM EST
    AP is reporting today that:

    "WASHINGTON (AP) -- Nearly 4 million Americans - the vast majority of them middle class - will have to pay the new penalty for not getting health insurance when President Barack Obama's health care overhaul law kicks in, according to congressional estimates released Thursday.

    The penalties will average a little more than $1,000 apiece in 2016, the Congressional Budget Office said in a report.

    Most of the people paying the fine will be middle class. Obama pledged in 2008 not to raise taxes on individuals making less than $200,000 a year and couples making less than $250,000."

     SNIP

    "The government will collect about $4 billion a year in fines from 2017 through 2019, according to the report."

    for what it's worth (none / 0) (#29)
    by CST on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 03:28:56 PM EST
    when they projected this stuff in MA - waaaaay more people signed up for health insurance than was previously predicted.  Which actually was kind of a problem because the state had trouble paying for it all, but it meant a lot fewer people being hit by the mandate than predicted.

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    Good point (none / 0) (#36)
    by jbindc on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 03:52:14 PM EST
    The interesting thing will be to see is the reaction to the tax increase on middle class - ala George Bush's "Read my lips" pledge.  Of course, it won't matter as Obama will either be safely ensconsed in his second term or will be enjoying his retirement on the golf course.  Either way, he can't really be held responsible, should the voters decide that.

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    that pledge (none / 0) (#40)
    by CST on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 04:03:57 PM EST
    was only for the first term :)

    there is a whole 'nother election for him to stand up and say "i'm gonna raise your taxes middle class"

    somehow i doubt it will happen like that though.

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    Sh*t... (none / 0) (#71)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 23, 2010 at 09:55:45 AM EST
    that tax promise was busted already...federal tobacco taxes were raised...last I checked the middle class contains smokers.

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    Is Tim Tebow expected (none / 0) (#30)
    by oculus on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 03:29:19 PM EST
    to show @ Madison Square Garden?  I stood and looked through the fence for a few seconds but no sightings. Off to Shoe Mania and Carnegie Hall

    No (none / 0) (#34)
    by jbindc on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 03:45:25 PM EST
    He's watching the draft from his home in Florida

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    Republicans block start of debate (none / 0) (#38)
    by ruffian on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 03:56:58 PM EST
    on financial reform bill.

    I like the Dems use of video of McConnell, then refuting it, especially Durbin on my pet peeve, the bailout BS McConnell was peddling.

    But this from the NYT?

    The bellicose stance by Democrats, even as Republicans insist they are hopeful of a bipartisan deal, carries some political risk. Voters, often frustrated by the acrimony in Washington, could decide that Democrats, who control Congress and the White House, are being arrogant by refusing to make concessions.

    Ah, no NYT, only the village media is disturbed by the acrimony. Voters will reward what you call arrogance.

    two related things (none / 0) (#39)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 04:02:10 PM EST
    was just reading this alarmist article:
                             
    The next Obamacare target: Your bacon sandwich

    Barring the success of lawsuits or huge gains by Republicans this fall, the president's health program will be imposed in pieces over the next four years. By the end, the government will have a fiduciary interest in the waistlines and cholesterol counts of every American.

    on the other hand I was just reading this a couple of days ago.

    Freak Show Fat

    Pictured is Chauncy Morlan, who once made a living as a side show fat man. People paid money to look at him, because he was so unusually obese. A hundred years later, you can walk into any buffet restaurant and see a dozen people bigger than Morlan.

    the point being a man considered a freak 100 years ago because he was so fat would now be simply another walmart shopper.
    there are at least a dozen people in my company that big or bigger.  
    this is not a good thing.  IMO.


    Looks almost exactly like a guy I work with (none / 0) (#41)
    by ruffian on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 04:11:35 PM EST
    Interesting - I never thought of it like that in historical context. Our grandparents would be shocked at the size of all of us.

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    yep (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 04:19:07 PM EST
    we no longer have freak shows.  except on cable.
    Half Ton Teen, Half Ton Mom and Half Ton Dad.

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    A few years ago I saw some footage from (none / 0) (#44)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 04:22:15 PM EST
    a local Boy Scout camp. It was shot around WW2 and showed hundreds of kids hiking in to the camp and also at least a hundred at the pool.

    The kids hiking in were shirtless, mostly, and the kids at the pool were in shorts.

    Every kid, save one, was rail thin. I mean Kenyan marathon-runner thin.

    That one kind-of-chunky kid was the "class clown." There was footage of him clowning around on the diving board to everyone's amusement.


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    in middle school (none / 0) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 04:29:46 PM EST
    I was that kid

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#48)
    by jbindc on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 04:39:40 PM EST
    But then my grandparents grew up poor and probably didn't have enough to eat, so the comparison would be a bit off.

    Marilyn Monroe was almost 150 pounds and a size 12 and was the ideal woman.  Today she would be considered fat, and actually plus-sized by the fashion industry, who is obsessed with freakishly thin and tall women as the standard of beauty.

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    how tall was she? (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by CST on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 04:41:19 PM EST
    I don't think she would be considered fat in the real world.  Only for an actress/model.

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    5 ft 5.5 in tall (none / 0) (#56)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 05:33:50 PM EST
    Today that would make her a size 10, and considered a very healthy weight.


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    compared to Mae West (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 05:41:44 PM EST
    she was practically Kate Moss

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    Hmmm (none / 0) (#58)
    by jbindc on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 05:41:26 PM EST
    Another site I found said she was 120 pounds and around 5'5", which compared to the models of today which are 5'10 or 5'11 and 105 pounds.

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    I dont think any sane (none / 0) (#60)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 05:43:16 PM EST
    person would say 5'11 and 105 pounds is healthy.

    I think the scarecrow model look is actually sort of a reaction to the fat normal.

    it makes them even more "other" and unattainable.


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    The joy of the internet (none / 0) (#64)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 06:26:12 PM EST
    I always thought the media said she was a size 14, which at 5'5" in those years of clothing sizes probably would have been more accurate. I've never heard that she was 120 lbs, though.

    Goes to show how insignificant the numbers really are....no matter which ones are accurate, she was considered beautiful by men and women.


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    Mainstream range - 5'9" to 5'11" (none / 0) (#65)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 06:34:40 PM EST
    Mainstream range - 5'9" to 5'11" with outer fringe being 5'8" to 6" with the extremely rare exception down to 5'5" and as tall as 6'1". Thin - puts weight at 108 to 130lbs in proportional to height. This puts dress size 6-8 with the desired figure around 34B-24-34. This can range some but waist no larger the 25" and maximum hips 35 ½."
    Also, MM was an actress, not a high-fashion model.

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    also (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 05:17:28 PM EST
    its worth pointing out that there are as the NYTimes did in 2009:

    WASHINGTON -- The number of Americans who lived in households that lacked consistent access to adequate food soared last year, to 49 million, the highest since the government began tracking what it calls "food insecurity" 14 years ago, the Department of Agriculture reported Monday.

    ironically those are some of the same households that have rampant obesity because of the horrible eating habits because they cant afford good food and are forced to eat fast food. when they can get it.


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    you are talking about (none / 0) (#52)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 04:45:33 PM EST
    an actress model.
    there are models who look like holocaust survivors and there is everyone else.

    no one is talking about a size 12.

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    Fast Facts (none / 0) (#57)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 05:41:00 PM EST
    Fast Facts

    Birth Name: Norma Jeane Mortenson
    Also Known As: Norma Jeane Baker

    Birth date: June 1, 1926
    Birth place: Los Angeles, CA
    Death date: August 5, 1962
    Death place: Brentwood, CA
    Burial location: Corridor of Memories, #24, at Westwood Memorial Park in Los Angeles, CA

    Height: 5 feet 5 1/2 inches
    Weight: Varied, 115 - 120 lbs.



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    It's pretty startling (none / 0) (#46)
    by Raskolnikov on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 04:32:04 PM EST
    To fly from a London airport, where people are more or less normal size, into Minneapolis, where the people are enormous.  Every time I fly back from England the airport greets me with obesity.  Our dietary habits in this country are abysmal, and its hard to find food thats quick to grab and still healthy without spending a good amount of money.  When I worked at a sandwich shop, our most popular sub had 950 calories...each sandwich with mayo used a tablespoon of mayo which is near 300 calories, and there were people who would ask for extra mayo, double extra mayo even!  Granted, you could obviously not get the mayo and the sandwiches were then pretty decent for you, but people rarely do.  

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    which (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 04:44:15 PM EST
    goes right back to the alarmist article.

    its our god given right to be morbidly obese dammit.

    great film The Triplets of Bellville.
    the was americans are depicted is hilarious and dead on.  right from the statue of liberty.


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    I noticed that too (none / 0) (#67)
    by ruffian on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 09:50:52 PM EST
    After my one and only trip to England. Large and very LOUD.

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    Any thoughts (none / 0) (#43)
    by lilburro on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 04:20:07 PM EST
    on the Cooper Union speech?  I haven't had time to read the whole thing.  

    it must have been good (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 04:47:00 PM EST
    judging from the reactions on FOX news I happened to catch in the doctors office.

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    Fightin' Fatties (none / 0) (#70)
    by DancingOpossum on Fri Apr 23, 2010 at 09:13:23 AM EST
    Just this morning there was a report on NPR about the military's increasing alarm and concern over our nation's fatties. They say the number of otherwise good recruits they have to turn down because of weight has risen 70 percent in the last few years. We are, they tell us, "too fat to fight," and the average high-schooler needs to lose around 30 lbs to meet the military standards.

    Now, I have no problem with nobody being able to be recruited into the military's greedy maw, but since it seems the only people we listen to anymore are those in uniform (and what that says about us is fruit for another argument), maybe their intervention is the only thing that will work.